Forskin restoration Smell

kong1971 · Feb 4, 2005

Bump for Swank and Skepdick

Seems like all the threads that go overboard are being manipulated by swank. I wonder who's putting words in who's mouth? I guess swank thinks if he says I make all these miraculous promises all the time everyone will think I did

I never promised miracles, folks. Just realistic benefits in exchange for lots of tedious skin expansion work.

Its really kind of shocking to see that this has gone on since the word FR was mentioned here on MOS.

goodbutnotgreat · Feb 4, 2005

Nah, it's pretty much gone on since you started telling men they'd get a 20% size increase if they started up with FR.

I think FR is cool if you want to do it, it's your penis so make it the way you want it.

I do have a problem with people claiming things that aren't true. Simple as that.

I really encourage people to read this whole thread, it covers all the main points pretty well, and if you read this one you've pretty much read them all. It even contains the traditional Kong emotional/"I'm being victimized" element that has come to be a standard part of the issue.

Basically as you go down the thread, Kong stears the issue away from FR and circumcision and more towards himself as much as possible. It's quite interesting to watch develop. Please have a read . . .

kong1971 · Feb 4, 2005

Same ole swank. Same ole tactic. He has no valid point of criticism, so he attacks my credibility. He wants you to think here that I am both manipulative and ego-centric, which is in fact untrue. All I ever wanted to do was present the idea of restoration and maybe make a little place for us all to talk to one another about it. He says my claims are untrue, but founded on what? His experience? He has never even tried FR. It is just another example of his sole debate tactic, which is to attack the credibility of his opponent while trying to cast himself in the role of enlightener.

goodbutnotgreat · Feb 4, 2005

Hmm, uh yeah, alright. So how are we doing a better job of keeping FR and circumcision the issue?

Regardless of what you think about me or Kong, pleas read this thread, it's pretty good and hits all the main points. A lot of interesting issues are raised . . . are they answered? Read for yourselves, don't take anybody's word for it.

kong1971 · Feb 4, 2005

Just keep the personal stuff to yourself. Understand that I will use the same tactics against you. Don't try to make me look like a kook or put words in my mouth. Then we can get along.

sikdogg · Feb 5, 2005

kong1971 said:
...As far as size boosts, it's pretty well documented too. Most of you guys seem to balk at that, saying the skin is too stretchy to cause the penis to be stunted by lack of skin. Here is my very simple experiment to prove it is not only possible, but highly probable for circumcision to affect the length of a man's penis. Follow my instructions closely, okay? Promise me you will try this with an open mind...

1) With your penis flaccid, grasp about 1/3 of your shaft skin and hold it firmly to your lower abdomen, down at the base of your cock. Do not restrain the inner shaft. Just hold the skin down.

2) While holding the skin, begin to stimulate yourself until you get an erection. As you get erect, do not release the skin you are holding down.

3) Look at your penis and see how much of your length is being restrained by the lack of skin. If skin was that stretchy, you should be able to achieve a full-sized erection without releasing it. It should just stretch to accomodate it...

I understand the point you're trying to make here Kong but your test/example doesn't really duplicate real life. Your test forces one to hold back the foreskin without any give... this will do just as you say but in the real world, skin will be pulled forward as one gets erect... even to the point of getting a turkey neck. You yourself said that you had turkey neck because of your tight circ. Your turkey neck is exactly what happens when you don't have enough skin. The foreskin is very expandable and just normal jelqing is enough for some (myself included) to get some extra skin. I don't believe that the skin will hold back that much length unless your Penis Enlargement is resulting in more length gains than the skin can expand. JMO...

kong1971 · Feb 5, 2005

Please see this article:

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16017

Thanks! K

GhosT_DoGG · Feb 5, 2005

sikdogg said:
I understand the point you're trying to make here Kong but your test/example doesn't really duplicate real life. Your test forces one to hold back the foreskin without any give... this will do just as you say but in the real world, skin will be pulled forward as one gets erect... even to the point of getting a turkey neck. You yourself said that you had turkey neck because of your tight circ. Your turkey neck is exactly what happens when you don't have enough skin. The foreskin is very expandable and just normal jelqing is enough for some (myself included) to get some extra skin. I don't believe that the skin will hold back that much length unless your Penis Enlargement is resulting in more length gains than the skin can expand. JMO...

Word up!

Well spoken, and exactly true.
You will only/and maybe get more length, if the head(glands) is forced down by the skin. That is if a slight bit of pain.
And wet jelqing at medium intensity is awsome for getting more skin.

sikdogg · Feb 5, 2005

Interesting read Kong, but...

kong1971 said:
A webbed penis is a normal-sized penis where the skin of the scrotal sack extends part way up the shaft of the penis. Boys can be born this way, or the condition can result from an over-exuberant circumcision where adhesions form between the scrotal skin and the penile skin. Webbed penis usually causes no problems (unless a routine circumcision is later performed). It is unlikely to get better as the child grows. Results with surgery, however, are excellent. (Casale AJ - Concealed penis in childhood: a spectrum of etiology and treatment. J Urol - 1999 Sep; 162(3 Pt 2): 1165-8).

A concealed penis is a normal-sized penis that lays hidden in the pubic fat pad. This condition is also called buried penis or hidden penis. Some children are born this way, and for some it happens after circumcision. It is common in infants and toddlers, and occasionally seen in older children and obese adolescents. If the penis can be easily exposed by gently pulling on it or by pressing down on the surrounding fat pad, then the situation will usually correct itself over time. Sometimes surgery is needed for concealed penis. Either way, "social, urinary and erection" results are excellent.

I believe that circumcision can cause a concealed or webbed penis, but according the the doctor's statements above, one can be born with it and it doesn't appear clear as to which is more prevelent or how often circumcision causes it.

kong1971 · Feb 5, 2005

kong1971 · Feb 5, 2005

I think you fellas are arguing on points that really have nothing to do with what I'm saying. They're in the general vicinity but not exactly there, so I really don't know how to respond. I feel like many men are taking more issue with the cut/uncut debacle than with any actual theories or studies just because it is such a contentious subject, but whatever. If you want to debate the actual subject of trapped penis, and the possibility that milder versions of it may be what cause some men to get fast or quick newbie gains, and to gain with FR alone, I'm open, but the point is to learn, not to "disprove" it. I'm tired of trying to make you guys get the point, to be honest. I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

sikdogg · Feb 5, 2005

Hey Kong, i'm not arguing with you and concede that circumcision can cause real issues. I just pointed out that some of the issues that the doctor mentioned could also be caused naturally. I do get your point though...

kong1971 · Feb 5, 2005

Okay, I appreciate that...Yes, webbed and concealed penis can occur naturally. Trapped penis is caused solely by circumcision, which is the main point of the article, and could explain how milder versions of this complication could cause some men to make fast initial gains. It could also explain why restorers get gains without doing Penis Enlargement-- a couple things that are highly debated here but pretty much accepted elsewhere.

goodbutnotgreat · Feb 7, 2005

Kong, as you know I have not been able to find anything about trapped penis occurring without physical or detectable symptoms in grown men.

You say this fact is accepted with little question elsewhere, but I can't even find it discussed anywhere else. If you have some resources verifying this, please post a link.

This is also a general bump. I think this is overall the best thread on the debate so far and covers the primary issues in question very well.

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