goldmember said:Trimix is a mixture of two vasodilators and a prostaglandin. I can tell you, increasing arachidonic acid consumption (egg yolk and red meat, especially) will dramatically boost natural levels of prostaglandin E-1. Since eating a dozen eggs and a pound of steak daily, I get erections randomly, frequently, harder, and they get to 100% much faster than normal. This might be an option you'd want to consider over a penis injection of trimix. If a dozen eggs and a pound of steak don't sound appealing to you, maybe just pop a V? I'm not saying trimix is a bad idea, just offering a less invasive option for you, but if you are willing to be a guinea pig, then that's awesome, let us know how it turns out.
Potaba is just a potassium salt of para-aminobenzoic acid...yep, simple PABA that many multi-vitamins and all B-Complex tablets contain. Drug companies make salts out of natural compounds so that they can patent them, even if they offer no different effects...just FYI. Not only that, but unless you have peyronies or are very concerned about developing scar tissues, why would you add this to your chemical repertoire? PABA is inti-inflammatory, which will counter a good amount of the prostaglandin E-1's effects. If you want to add Potaba to your regimine, may I suggest Bi-mix instead of trimisame as tri-mix without the PG E-1)? The PG E-1 and the Potaba have conflicting actions...
I have heard stories of men gaining from DHT cream without even doing penis exercises, and I have also heard stories that some men gained nothing off of DHT cream, even with exercises. Most articles about DHT claim that it is the androgen responsible for penis growth, however more recent findings show that it is testosterone that is responsible for penis growth, and DHT is only responsible for penis growth in the fetus.
Personally, I think it's all wrong, and from what I've read and put together, IGF-1 is the major penis growth hormone. The reason high testosterone or DHT levels can trigger penis growth is because testosterone and/or DHT are needed to synthesize IGF-1 in the liver, along with growth hormone, insulin, thyroxine, small amounts of estrogen, and other growth factors.
One thing that IS certain though, is that DHT cream WILL worsen an existing prostate enlargement, and can potentially cause problems even if you are 100% fine before use. This warning isn't one of those ass-covering warning thrown in by drug companies, it is a VERY common occurance that prostate enlargement and cancer are caused by high levels of DHT. I'm not discouraging you throwning DHT in the mix, but I am just saying I wouldn't be the guinea pig unless it promised big gains.
guess not, I had sex three times todayPandora said:
That and the butt load of ���� available on the net these days.
I eat alot of eggs now and never noticed how it affected my libido or erection... popping a V is nowhere near as effective as trimix, not on it's best day...goldmember said:
I have thought about just using PABA since it is much more available and cost effective, but i wanted to follow the Penis Enlargement patent as closely as possible. I may try PABA on my second go 'round to see if there is any difference... from what i've read, any study that shows PABA to be effective as antifibrosis is very old and all studies showing Potaba as a treatment for Peyronie's Disease is much more recent.Potaba is just a potassium salt of para-aminobenzoic acid...yep, simple PABA that many multi-vitamins and all B-Complex tablets contain. Drug companies make salts out of natural compounds so that they can patent them, even if they offer no different effects...just FYI. Not only that, but unless you have peyronies or are very concerned about developing scar tissues, why would you add this to your chemical repertoire? PABA is inti-inflammatory, which will counter a good amount of the prostaglandin E-1's effects. If you want to add Potaba to your regimine, may I suggest Bi-mix instead of trimi
I disagree... The area around the scrotom and penis contain alot of enzymes to convert test to DHT. Applying test in the penile/scrotal area only serves to increase DHT levels. This is well known and very well accepted in TRT circles.
I disagree... IGF-1 is now very common now and is often used with AAS. It's use hasn't caused much, if any penis enlargement amoung this group nor did it work for Supra. Any study that shows penile growth in children from the use of any hormone does not apply to adults. Once the growth plates have closed exogenous hormones do little to increase growth in non-striated muscles. This has been proven time and again with GH and IGF-1.
This is a real concern and if my bloodwork shows any sign of BPH, i will definitely reconsider it's use.
This is good to know. Where do you learn how to inject into your penis though?sikdogg said:
So are you concerned about developing peyronies from penis injections?sikdogg said:
I do not have a particular source, but PG E-1 is a pro-inflammatory hormone. Most pro-inflammatories and anti-inflammatories act on the same COX pathway.sikdogg said:
What does DMSO have to offer in terms of gains (how??) as I'm only aware of it's use as a solvent/transdermal...sikdogg said:
If I remember correctly, Supra credits IGF-1 to about 0.5" length gain. Also (for what it's worth) Jose Canseco says that taking growth hormone (not IGF-1, but related) made his penis grow larger--in his book "Juiced".sikdogg said:
The doctor that prescribed my Quadmix showed me how and they also gave me some literature to read.goldmember said:
No, not at all... Peyronie's is where you have a hardening of tissues causing pain and deforming the penis. Using an antifibrosis like potaba relaxes and softens the tissue to resolve the efects from Peyronies. The logic to adding Potaba to the protocol is to use its antifibrosis properties to soften the tunica and help or potentiate gains.
Interesting... worth doing more research on at the very least.
Actually, DMSO was used as an analgesic and antifibrosis long before it was used as a transdermal carrier.
I really liked Supra but he had a tendency to jump the gun when doing his personal research. Studies on GH and IGF-1 in adults just doesn't support either of their claims. I truely wish it did though...
large1 said:
Interesting. It's kinda ironic how an analgesic can burn the living fuck out of your skin lolsikdogg said:
lolsikdogg said:
Wouldn't softening the ligaments and collagenous tissues DECREASE tension in the penis? Similar to how warming a cold rubber-band makes it more elastic. The more elastic it is, the more likely it is to go back to its original size. If you stretch a cold rubber band (and don't snap it) it will retain more of it's stretched size than the warm rubber band.sikdogg said:
...and give you a nasty rash, but athletes used to use DMSO to relieve joint pain and other sore tissues for a long time. I think applying it to areas like your knees wouldn't burn as much as your penis would. I definitely wouldn't use it full strength on my dick...goldmember said:
that would just be asking for trouble.I'm not sure about that but what is believe to be happening to cause gains from prolonged erections is similar to what Bib used to say about fatigue and expanding tissues... the prolonged erection causes the tunica to fatigue and eventually fail. The potaba helps by softening the tunica and allow it to expand further that it would without it. Just like a balloon... once you've stretched it real good, it expands easier and further each successive time that you blow it up. Since a balloon isn't a living tissue, it has limitations on how much it can expand but the tunica can continue to expand as it is continually stretched thru growth of additional cells. Potaba's ability to soften tissues doesn't do anything about fatigue and failure, i think that it just allows hte tissues to expand further before fatigue/failure sets in.
