Why is it so hard for people to realize penis enlargement works?

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Why is it so hard for people to realize penis enlargement works?:confused:

This topic really blows my mind and gets me a little pissed. I think the hypocrisy of the medical profession is so visible that a 4th grader could see it. The medical profession will stand behind their claims that penis enlargement does not work, unless of course, they are profiting. I am not talking about every doctor but the majority. Then their are those who go and spend $5000+ for phalloplasty (penis enlargement surgery) risking so many complications to come off gaining a half inch tops and being told hanging will give them the remainder of the gains they desire???? Fuck! This is believable...WHY? Because the medical profession backs it. But the simplicity and effectiveness of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], or any other reputable site for that matter, is so hard to understand.

What are we talking about really? Stretching our penis? Is it so fucking hard to understand that this is easily possible? Do you realize that it is a common occurrence in the surgical field, particularly plastic surgery, to place balloons under the skin to create new skin for other areas of the body? I mean it seems very ironic that the medical profession treat any other part of the body that is made up of soft tissue and skin as an enlargeable site, of course, with the exception of the penis.

For centuries people have been stretching their ears, lips, even necks and the general public never questions the validity of this...Why? Because it is not the penis? Right on my paysite I have a picture of Monte Pierce, a man who has been stretching his earlobes since childhood. he actually stretched them to 5"???

This picture I saw early in my program and when I saw it penis enlargement was a no brainer. In my mind if he could stretch his earlobes then I could stretch my penis....Penis EnlargementRIOD.

Penis Enlargement is not that complicated to understand but it seems that most people want to believe that it is impossible. I even think that their are people involved in Penis Enlargement that do not gain because in the back of their heads they don't truly believe it works.

TThis shit works! Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words; for me this picture was worth my 4+ inch gains.
 
Expensive choice is always more attractive to people. If you increase the cost of your paysite to $500, then more people will notice it :) This is strange but reality. I agree with you that people are still sceptical about Penis Enlargement, but don't forget there are always enough people to give it a try. To each surgically Penis Enlargementd man, there are many natural Penis Enlargementd men in my opinion.
 
Originally posted by teoman
If you increase the cost of your paysite to $500, then more people will notice it :) This is strange but reality.
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Wow, that would be nice.
 
Alot of people don't believe it because they will try it for several months with no results. I, for example, have been doing Penis Enlargement for five and a half years, and have only gained about an inch girth(lost half of that, so only half inch) and about 2mm of length. I get very pissed off at the lack of gains with all of the time, but then I think of how many people I have helped with my knowledge. It has become a habit now, and I know one day I will get my goal if I keep at it.
 
Who's the guy with the ears?? I wonder if he stretches his dick too??
 
They believe it. I think that they want to get more business so they try to redirect traffic their way and when they are done they send them to us, the true way of enlarging your penis naturally. So think about it, they are still actually helping our community grow. You can't in no way stop the truth and that what we are the truth. So don't worry about them believing us because no matter what they do they are still helping us.
 
Originally posted by want_to_grow
They believe it. I think that they want to get more business so they try to redirect traffic their way and when they are done they send them to us, the true way of enlarging your penis naturally. So think about it, they are still actually helping our community grow. You can't in no way stop the truth and that what we are the truth. So don't worry about them believing us because no matter what they do they are still helping us.
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Yeah but it would be so much tighter if people went the natural route first.
 
I think they belive too, but it's hard to strech, jelq every day with no guarantees of success or good success. You need spare time and privacy.
Yuo need to try the best workout, that works for you.

I think there isn't ONE solution, ONE workout.

So it's easy to surrender. I still believe and do my workout but i've stopped, restarted so many times... :o

People then wants fact, it works? Demostrates it to me! Simple...
like ufo...

DLD, how many subscribed people are you helping ? How are their progress ?


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Originally posted by cableman
DLD, how many subscribed people are you helping ? How are their progress?
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I am currently working with too many men to give a definite number. My program has had an almost perfect success rate with every join. The men who struggle I personally take 1 on 1 until they are gaining. It is allot of work but I believe in my program and it's members. Nothing gives me greater joy then knowing I helped someone change their lives.

Some comments are posted here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=522
 
I can hear the critics before I even post this pic ...."yea Still but, but, those are lips and ear lobes....blah, blah, penis is different blah, blah...." Human tissue is human tissue, some of it merely takes longer to stretch. This is a tribeswoman from the Ethiopian 'Mursi' Tribe. One of the many African tribes where the art of lip stretching has been practiced for thousands of years. Her lip is stretched completely around this plate! "Guess the circumference" LOL. They believe tissue is pliable. Ah but, penises...theyre not tissue! LOL.
 
Originally posted by doublelongdaddy
I am currently working with too many men to give a definite number. My program has had an almost perfect success rate with every join. The men who struggle I personally take 1 on 1 until they are gaining. It is allot of work but I believe in my program and it's members. Nothing gives me greater joy then knowing I helped someone change their lives.

DLD,

Your site is real source of encouragement. There are a large number of people, coaching each other. Plus, being able to read about results is very helpful.

The images are great. Seeing photos of a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] Member at seven inches, then gaining size with a newer photo at eight inches a couple months later.

The site encourages me to move faster toward my goals.

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Hey Doc, I see your a slow and steady gainer.. I was just wondering how you managed to loose half a inch in girth? thanks alot

BB (hello everyone by the way, i'm new)
 
Originally posted by cableman
I think they belive too, but it's hard to strech, jelq every day with no guarantees of success or good success. You need spare time and privacy.
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Good point. Often in gym training, guys workout together. So, when one's lagging, the other(s) can motivate him. But with Penis Enlargement, you're all alone - if you don't do it, nobody is there next to you challenging you, egging you on.
Wait....I can just see it now! Five guys sitting around the T.V. during Monday Night Football....jelqing, stretching, one is adjusting the tension on his hanger, another is pumping his penis. The guy hanging now has free hands, so he occasionally pours some beer down a buddy's throat. The guy pumping has a mean doughnut going, so in addition to pretzels & chips, they now have a doughnut too.
 
It's the fact of the smooth muscle layer inside the penis and the known problems that happen when smooth muscle is stressed to the point of microtear. The layer is called the trabecula and just like the bladder, when stressed, it becomes weak.

I am not saying that this is fact but it is why they say it wont work. There are more studies that say this isn't the case if the right growth factors are present.
 
Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
It's the fact of the smooth muscle layer inside the penis and the known problems that happen when smooth muscle is stressed to the point of microtear. The layer is called the trabecula and just like the bladder, when stressed, it becomes weak.

I am not saying that this is fact but it is why they say it wont work. There are more studies that say this isn't the case if the right growth factors are present.
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oooppps...I micro teared my penis 5";)
 
I have another theory....Penis Enlargement generally takes a long time, longer than regular physical training.
I have read some articles & columns online where an "expert" grudgingly mentions that "some" have realized "modest gains" or even "negligible gains" after "a year or more of performing exercises"....etc., etc.
So, when Penis Enlargement is mentioned in that light, it's cast as being a whole lot of drudgery with very little to show for it.
Unfortunately, that has been the experience of some Penis Enlargement'ers. Not that many have astounding gains. It all boils down to desire, I believe. I've noticed that I've often become lazy after gaining 0.25" - instead of becoming more motivated. This has happened to me recently, causing me to backoff Penis Enlargement for awhile, before I cemented that new gain - which I lost, pissing me off more. :(
 
Originally posted by WaxN
Good point. Often in gym training, guys workout together. So, when one's lagging, the other(s) can motivate him. But with Penis Enlargement, you're all alone - if you don't do it, nobody is there next to you challenging you, egging you on.
Wait....I can just see it now! Five guys sitting around the T.V. during Monday Night Football....jelqing, stretching, one is adjusting the tension on his hanger, another is pumping his penis. The guy hanging now has free hands, so he occasionally pours some beer down a buddy's throat. The guy pumping has a mean doughnut going, so in addition to pretzels & chips, they now have a doughnut too.
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:lolhammer
 
For the medical community:

1. There is little money in it for physicians, compared to what they're used to generating.

2. There could be some risk involved, if you have morons trying ridiculous things. However, there are certainly risks involved in surgery, as there have been horrific tales of butcher jobs floating around on the net.

Personally, I think natural Penis Enlargement is far safer than the surgical alternatives. I don't believe there has ever been a post here, or at Thunder's (granted I'm relatively new to this), where someone has claimed natural Penis Enlargement has totally ruined their penis.

Some physicians have claimed that microtears actually cause weakness in erections, but everyone that is a Penis Enlargement vet testifies to the exact opposite, as far as I know.
 
Also, the public needs to shoulder its share of the blame. We have sadly become a society of instant gratification. It is amazing what people will pay physicians, and even sometimes trainers/motivators, to do things they could truthfully do themselves. The time factor aside, many men would rather pay $10,000 for a surgical procedure than invest the time and effort in [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] or other method.

Write it down. This is a quote to remember: Man will always exert the greatness efforts towards avoiding work or responsibility.
 
Originally posted by penguinsfan
Write it down. This is a quote to remember: Man will always exert the greatness efforts towards avoiding work or responsibility.
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True...very true!
 
I think the science is lacking. Empirical evidence not just anecdotal evidence. ie A controlled study preformed by certified professionals. Even then people aren't going to jump on it. A key part of science is doubting skepticisms and ridicule. If Penis Enlargement were going to break big I think maybe America is not the easiest place to do so.

Perhaps the amount of schooling you have to go through to be a doctor leads them to believe they actually KNOW what they are talking about. However, I don't believe there is some conspiracy. They would stilled be getting paid if the public was aware of Penis Enlargement (in fact they would probably get more business). Ignorance and arrogance are much simpler.
 
goinfor11x7;288670 said:
And ignorance and arrogance combined are utterly contemptible. Look at G.W.B.
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Agreed.

Never understood why there wasn't a bigger push to impeach him and his posse. No one has any faith I think <:(
 
The myth that you can streach ur neck with those rings is a myth! It's optical illusion. I saw a show on the discovery channel that showed an X-ray of one women that streaches thier neck with the brass rings. It showed and explained how it is the coller bone, ribcage, and shoulder blades that get forced down giving the look of a longer neck. The whole skin regeneration thing is bs to me. I think all the gains people are getting comes from. How can I explain this?
Ok the place where you are suppost to Kegel? It's coming from there. behind ur balls you can still feel the remander of your penis. So what you are doing is pulling more of penis shaft out from the body. I think this happens when you streach the ligs and tunica to thier limits, and pull more out from behind the testys. There is no new tissue being formed! The extra penis is coming the bottom of your torso.
Now if thier was a cream that would allow the ligaments to streach and heal in the streached form. Allowing more shaft to be pulled out. there has to be some cind of herb, in some remote jungle somewhere that can do this. Wow I talked enough. I hope you all understand my point!!!
 
Drjeckle;288667 said:
I think the science is lacking.
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Nothing is more true. Being in the realm of pseudo-science only prevents the advancement of Penis Enlargement. We are making a difference and over time we will be recognized for this but as for now our science is no more than silliness to most of the world.
 
antlovesteph;288752 said:
whats the best routine for length DLD
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A routine that works:)

j.k.

If you are new I suggest starting with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words]. The stretching portion is extremely effective and it is the first place most men produce their first gains. If you have been in the game for a minute I suggest checking out the members site, there are some incredible routine there.
 
6inches;288748 said:
The myth that you can streach ur neck with those rings is a myth! It's optical illusion. I saw a show on the discovery channel that showed an X-ray of one women that streaches thier neck with the brass rings. It showed and explained how it is the coller bone, ribcage, and shoulder blades that get forced down giving the look of a longer neck. The whole skin regeneration thing is bs to me. I think all the gains people are getting comes from. How can I explain this?
Ok the place where you are suppost to Kegel? It's coming from there. behind ur balls you can still feel the remander of your penis. So what you are doing is pulling more of penis shaft out from the body. I think this happens when you streach the ligs and tunica to thier limits, and pull more out from behind the testys. There is no new tissue being formed! The extra penis is coming the bottom of your torso.
Now if thier was a cream that would allow the ligaments to streach and heal in the streached form. Allowing more shaft to be pulled out. there has to be some cind of herb, in some remote jungle somewhere that can do this. Wow I talked enough. I hope you all understand my point!!!
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Well, I take into consideration but I saw on a documentry and it hada body modification story in it.

Their costums of burmese women even since children they were rings on thier neck stretching thier necks adding new rings each year , it attractive burmese males. The rings play a role in attraction but to serve a perpose of exucution ,for if the woman cheats on her man , her husband removes the rings and HER STREATCHED neck folds in two because the neck muscle are to weak to support a 8-10lb head,and she slowly suffocates.

I don't know if what you say is true after I saw that docu and explained the rituals ,customs and reasoning behind the bizzar modification.:)
 
There's pure science, i.e. theory, and then there's empirical science, and I guess a mix of the two. Now I'm a poet, and not a scientist, not to say that I have not had some training in the sciences, so here goes: How much of P.E. is pure (or at least partial) fancy and how much of it is based on solid scientific evidence and not anecdotal? Most of it is anecdotal, isn't it?

If we could corral all of the P.E.ers, (or at least a few hundred of them), the ones who are not bull-shitters, but the ones who are taking this whole thing seriously and who are doing their very best to get a bigger penis, and then if we could follow their progress on a daily, weekly, monthly, and annual basis, all of it logged in with objective as possible measuring techniques, with a whole team of measurers, then maybe we would have something.

But I remember reading just recently, DLD saying, since the dimensions of the penis are in a constant state of flux, to take two or three measurements and then draw an average from them.

Maybe that is THE underlying problem. If the penis with its blood, skin, and tissue, spongy as it is, if all of this is in a constant state of flux, if it is indeed, a "bag," not a rope, how the hell is one ever going to get a "scientific" objective measurement out of it?

Anyway, the truth must lie somewhere in this box we call life.

P.S. I've been measuring my flaccid dick stretched as hard as I can stretch it, with a hard ruler against the wall, as urged by a fellow P.E.er., so that we're all on the same playing ground playing by the same rules.....and it won't budge from 8.5" bone pressed. That's the bottom line for me.
 
goinfor11x7;288767 said:
There's pure science, i.e. theory, and then there's empirical science, and I guess a mix of the two. Now I'm a poet, and not a scientist, not to say that I have not had some training in the sciences, so here goes: How much of P.E. is pure (or at least partial) fancy and how much of it is based on solid scientific evidence and not anecdotal? Most of it is anecdotal, isn't it?

If we could corral all of the P.E.ers, (or at least a few hundred of them), the ones who are not bull-shitters, but the ones who are taking this whole thing seriously and who are doing their very best to get a bigger penis, and then if we could follow their progress on a daily, weekly, monthly, and annual basis, all of it logged in with objective as possible measuring techniques, with a whole team of measurers, then maybe we would have something.

But I remember reading just recently, DLD saying, since the dimensions of the penis are in a constant state of flux, to take two or three measurements and then draw an average from them.

Maybe that is THE underlying problem. If the penis with its blood, skin, and tissue, spongy as it is, if all of this is in a constant state of flux, if it is indeed, a "bag," not a rope, how the hell is one ever going to get a "scientific" objective measurement out of it?

Anyway, the truth must lie somewhere in this box we call life.

P.S. I've been measuring my flaccid dick stretched as hard as I can stretch it, with a hard ruler against the wall, as urged by a fellow P.E.er., so that we're all on the same playing ground playing by the same rules.....and it won't budge from 8.5" bone pressed. That's the bottom line for me.
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Yes the truth is indeed out there but the way its actually supposed to be understood is rather ambiguous,IMO.

You ideas about gathering p.e'ers for a honest study is not a bad one IMO.

So are saying whatever my Bone pressed flacid length measurment is,is the most accurate measurement of how long my dick is?
 
BazookaJoe;288774 said:
So are saying whatever my Bone pressed flacid length measurment is,is the most accurate measurement of how long my dick is?
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Yikes, another typo from me. I'm speaking typonease tonight:)

So you are saying whatever my bone pressed flacid length stretched out to maximum is my most accurate cock measurment?
 
BazookaJoe;288777 said:
So you are saying whatever my bone pressed flacid length stretched out to maximum is my most accurate cock measurment?
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As far as I know, yes.

Erect length can vary by 1-2 inches on average.

6Inches, are you suggesting the arteries and urethral tract are being pulled from inside the body? Can you use your theory to explain girth gains? How then do people gain with only little stretching or pulling? Where does the penis end anyway? How do you explain gains without the tunica being stretched? What kind of cells make up the CC/CS and how do they grow?

Do tell, You must know...
 
BazookaJoe;288777 said:
Yikes, another typo from me. I'm speaking typonease tonight:)

So you are saying whatever my bone pressed flacid length stretched out to maximum is my most accurate cock measurment?
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Uh, huh. That seems to be the best common denominator among us. If you're not happy with this approach, there are others. As always, choose one and stick to it so you can accurately map your gains.
 
Also 6 inches...like drjeckle said...how does pulling the penis out from the pelvis explain girth gains?? But also, how does it explain super length gains like DLD who has gained almost 5 inches. Are u suggesting there is a endless "roll" of penis to simple pull out like loo roll?? It seems much more likely to me that new tissue is being created!!
 
New tissue being created makes all the sense in the world. I think that's why I've made my biggest grains, relatively speaking, in the girth department.
 
Actually their is the possibility that the penis that is being pulled out of the body is bigger in girth, so this means that the penis that is laying dormant inside of the body is thicker than the penis laying outside, if you understand.
 
The answer is quite simple. People judge things based on THEIR OWN limitations.
Deep down many people do NOT want you to surpass them in anyway.

DLD i hear you loud and clear, I can only imagine the anger and the frustration you may go through w/ people doubting Penis Enlargement, but think of it this way Thomas Edison in the creation of modern electric light was ridiculed CONSTANTLY by at the time from the leading scientific minds of that day, saying he was foolish and that man would forever need kerosine to light his way through. (can you imagine that bullshit there)

The man who created a system to revolutionize home/mail delivery was laughed at by his teacher, saying that it was a foolish idea, and even gave him a c-. What a shame, interesting how fed ex blew up like that.

Bill Gates was laughed at when he put his mission to have a computer in every home.

Many great men throughout history are ridiculed and laughed at, but if there are only a few leaders and abundantly wealthy people in comparison to those who are not, wouldn't it make sense for those who have not and acheiveth not to ridicule on those who have.

Also a man who desired to build the v8 engine was told it would never work, however Henry Ford would not agree to so.

So put it like this, you need haters, you need the doubting thomases and the ridiculing roberts, let them doubt and get mad.
 
Real reasons why Penis Enlargement will never catch on, or why the general public doubts it:

1.) It takes a lot of time and dedication

2.) sometimes when people take the plunge (someone else mentioned this) and you work your ass off u gain something like only .25" in which people don't think it's worth the time, and or they disregard it as gain since it's so small (not noticeable)

3.) gains don't come quickly enough

4.) no money in it for the medical industry

5.) there are risks and to the average person yankin on their dick doesn't seem plausible (somewhat counterintuitive, not to mention the lack of effectiveness, seemingly only of course). risks seem more severe than the benefit, afterall you only have one penis

6.) the idea that penis size does not matter at all (BS)

7.) Privacy issues if someone even decides to try, which often reasons 1-6 come into play haha

8.) again, everyone else tells them it doesn't work, and the combination of time, dedication, uncertainty, embarrassment for doing all the work with nuthin to show for it and feeling even worse to think that actually just tuggin on your penis could work?

........all this in combination with true visible results being hard to tell (afterall we're talking .25" at a time) it just makes it discouraging to the point where there are too many filters and most people drop off somewhere along the line, let alone the general public. Success rate for a true natural Penis Enlargement'r with large results is less than 5% I'd say
 
How do I explain girth gains? Well I think the penis is allways thicker at the pelvic bone and thins towards the glands. whitch allso tyies into my theory. You see I'm not trying to burst anyone's bubble. I just think it might be alot more simple than regenerating new skin. I would like to beleive you could regenerate new skin there. But its not just skin there. Underneth the skin is the corpus spogelum. Which isn't simple tissue. I wish I could have copied this picture but no. Go to the link please: http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0073031216/student_view0/exercise48/penis_anatomy_ii.html. Fuck now I'm getting nagged by my girl Nang. Gotta go to the mall. later.
 
alwaystrying;288946 said:
........all this in combination with true visible results being hard to tell (afterall we're talking .25" at a time) it just makes it discouraging to the point where there are too many filters and most people drop off somewhere along the line, let alone the general public. Success rate for a true natural Penis Enlargement'r with large results is less than 5% I'd say
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I think there is alot of truth in what you have said here mate. Years ago in my teenage years I twice went to the docs coz I was so unhappy with my penis size! "There is no way other than surgery to increase your penis size" I was told on both occasions by different doctors. At least they told me not to bother with surgery!!

I am SO glad I stumbled across natural Penis Enlargement!

So can I ask man, with only 5 % of Penis Enlargementers succeeding, how can I be in that 5%? I refuse to fail! Any tips? Cheers mate!
 
Yeah, to be in that 5% you gotta be patient, and you have to have resiliency after going up against the ruler and not gaining, or gaining so little that it's basically down to erection quality (in your mind, which sux).

Here are the keys to gaining for me:

-try and limit measuring.
-be consistent when measuring (I tend to press pretty damn good as my pelvic bone for bpfl and bpel will always stay the same, good bencHydromaxark)
-go hard, good intensity, without injury (want that that sore feeling, but not hurt feeling)
-realize it takes time and dedication, and more time and more dedication

The time and dedication without seeing signifcant results is the killer for all. Whether it be working out (getting into shape) or Penis Enlargement. How many people do you know who went from chuybby to somewhat out of shape to way in shape in a matter of months? It takes time, and I'm talkin real time. If you think your gonna gain 2 inches in months, even 1 inch in months, you're setting yourself up for failure.....just like when someone who's somewhat fat goes into the gym hoping to get into shape for a new year's resolution by February?? Not gonna happen. Maybe February the following year, and that's if they work out hard and eat right, yeah, for a whole year! Then it will be noticeable.
 
Big Al;326940 said:
In my opinion, the problem is a combination of misinformation, deceptive marketing tactics, and "sour grapes".
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That is it. With the amount of men we have on the major Penis Enlargement forums who are gaining there should be no doubt but many men start with pills, creams and other methods that do not produce gains like natural Penis Enlargement. Too bad many men don't find us first.
 
doublelongdaddy;326985 said:
That is it. With the amount of men we have on the major Penis Enlargement forums who are gaining there should be no doubt but many men start with pills, creams and other methods that do not produce gains like natural Penis Enlargement. Too bad many men don't find us first.
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There will probably always be that faction that refuse to believe that Penis Enlargement works no matter how much evidence is provided. These are often the same types that say "be satisfied with what you have".
 
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