I look forward to seeing your meatus modification but why? What effect does this have? Interesting. ..Teasle;750326 said:Hey guys!!
I just did my second tie, after some months of comtemplating if I would go for a second one I now just did that on Friday evening. Here the results and some meatus mod for just the fun of it
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Lets see how long it takes for the string to come out!
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To be honest I just wanted to see how it lookes, some people do this for more stimulation. I just like the look of a longer meatus so you can see the hole even from the front... but we will see ^^
Teasle;750351 said:
more info on meatus mod please
dont you afraid about shrinkage if there will be open wound?
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what more info do you want 
? And why should the meatus shrink?
? And why should the meatus shrink?Teasle;750386 said:what more info do you want
what effect do you want to archive with that treatment of meatus? A big hole? Do you have photos of already completed job? the meatus shrink if damaged and in long healing process. Read about it... google. Thats why all sources suggest not to harm meatus when you do frenulum tying. Show me some material about it.
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Well i dont know anything about that, i just wanted to do it because I think it looks cool ! thats all
! thats allTeasle;750413 said:Well i dont know anything about that, i just wanted to do it because I think it looks cool
let me know when you have results
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Update after 5-6 Days
The meatus mod didnt really worked out
it wouldnt cut through I don't know if didn't pull it strong enough or the meat is just to spongey to cut with this string... (I removed the string)
The Frenulum cut is going great, it cut really fast and I think 1-2 days and its finished but look for yourself!
There is a little swelling but I think it will be ok after some days.
The meatus mod didnt really worked out
it wouldnt cut through I don't know if didn't pull it strong enough or the meat is just to spongey to cut with this string... (I removed the string)The Frenulum cut is going great, it cut really fast and I think 1-2 days and its finished but look for yourself!
There is a little swelling but I think it will be ok after some days.
I am disappointed for you that your modification never worked. Maybe if you had put a tie in using a smaller amount of skin it may have worked. :-/ Oh well, your frenulum tying looks good. Use a good quality repair oil such as Bio oil if you can buy it where you live. It will help the scar lie flatter. Will we see the final result?Teasle;750659 said:Update after 5-6 Days
The meatus mod didnt really worked out
The Frenulum cut is going great, it cut really fast and I think 1-2 days and its finished but look for yourself!
There is a little swelling but I think it will be ok after some days.
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What is Bio oil, what kind i mean??
Yea sure i post the final result!
And maybe I will go for another meatus tie on the underside of the glans... we will see!
Yea sure i post the final result!
And maybe I will go for another meatus tie on the underside of the glans... we will see
!Hi Teasle, follow this link for info on Bio oil for scar healing. https://www.bio-oil.com/uk/uk-en looking forward to your end result! Good luck!Teasle;750667 said:What is Bio oil, what kind i mean??
Yea sure i post the final result!
And maybe I will go for another meatus tie on the underside of the glans... we will see
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10 Days update
I just had a look at me tie and i just saw that it wasn't tight enough so I just removed it. My question is, do I just leave it like that and let it heal or tie again? I tried to use the same hole but the needle just would go through I couldn't find the hole
Any suggestions?
I just had a look at me tie and i just saw that it wasn't tight enough so I just removed it. My question is, do I just leave it like that and let it heal or tie again? I tried to use the same hole but the needle just would go through I couldn't find the hole
Any suggestions?
If I were you I think I would leave things alone until the swelling has gone down. You will then be able to see where you can put other ties. If you do it now it my be in the wrong place. Don't forget you can't undo wrong ties, once the tie has worn through and the healing process has happened there's no going back, apart from expensive surgery. Just giving you my personal opinion.Teasle;750885 said:10 Days update
I just had a look at me tie and i just saw that it wasn't tight enough so I just removed it. My question is, do I just leave it like that and let it heal or tie again? I tried to use the same hole but the needle just would go through I couldn't find the hole
Any suggestions?
Hi, I want to thank every brother that has had a helping hand in cultivating this thread. It has been a beyond valuable asset for me in my PE journey thus far. I am fairly new to the brotherhood (4mo.) and learning about our little frenulum friend could not have come at a better time. I have read the thread from start to finish and it was more than enough to get my first two ties completed.
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I used the recommended tools found all throughout the thread (magicband, needle, numb master cream, etc.). I sanitized the materials with alcohol,witch hazel, and fire. I used a double surgeons knot for both ties. I followed the 10-15min salt water soaks at least 1x/day (mostly 2x). To help me heal, I used the benpathanen cream. The first tie took ~2.5 weeks to cut. The 2nd tie took 5 days to cut.
I realized I placed my 2nd tie a bit too low because it doesn't seem to have done much. However, I am a bit hesitant because the place I've identified for the tie to be placed seems a bit more spongy than skin. Can anyone give me some advice on where to put my next tie??
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This is an top view of how restricting my frenulum still is:
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I used the recommended tools found all throughout the thread (magicband, needle, numb master cream, etc.). I sanitized the materials with alcohol,witch hazel, and fire. I used a double surgeons knot for both ties. I followed the 10-15min salt water soaks at least 1x/day (mostly 2x). To help me heal, I used the benpathanen cream. The first tie took ~2.5 weeks to cut. The 2nd tie took 5 days to cut.
I realized I placed my 2nd tie a bit too low because it doesn't seem to have done much. However, I am a bit hesitant because the place I've identified for the tie to be placed seems a bit more spongy than skin. Can anyone give me some advice on where to put my next tie??
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This is an top view of how restricting my frenulum still is:
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hey awesome results, now i would go with the option 1 and the nyou should be free !
!Thanks for the feedback MrJ & Teasle.
I went through with my 3rd frenulum tie yesterday, 2/20. Due to the location and my foreskin not wanting to stay in place I solicited the assistance of my gf.
I truly feel like a mad scientist sculpting my perfect penis
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I went through with my 3rd frenulum tie yesterday, 2/20. Due to the location and my foreskin not wanting to stay in place I solicited the assistance of my gf.
I truly feel like a mad scientist sculpting my perfect penis
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Hi jpeg5, good luck with the latest ties, hopefully it will give you the results you are looking for. Final pictures of the finished 'sculpture' would be good!jpeg5;752156 said:Thanks for the feedback MrJ & Teasle.
I went through with my 3rd frenulum tie yesterday, 2/20. Due to the location and my foreskin not wanting to stay in place I solicited the assistance of my gf.
I truly feel like a mad scientist sculpting my perfect penis
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Always good to share others success!Hi guys, in these months i continued with the clamp-and-cut method.
I know i'm a little off-topic because here you talk about tying method, but i think someone might be interested.
I made decent progresess, now also during sex feelings are better, i don't have pain but there is still a little discomfort sometimes, so i think i'll do another little cut. Probably i'll also try phimocure rings (or similar products) to expand the foreskin, that is a little tight.
Here are some pics of my current situation:
flaccid state:
https://kek.gg/i/534k9P.jpg
erect state:
https://kek.gg/i/6TFfMg.jpg
erect state, another view angle:
https://kek.gg/i/3KzKqS.jpg
remainings of the frenulum, there is still room for another cut:
https://kek.gg/i/7M5gRS.jpg
frontal view when erect, there is the maxium retraction i can reach without pain/discomfort:
https://kek.gg/i/5csYP6.jpg
I know i'm a little off-topic because here you talk about tying method, but i think someone might be interested.
I made decent progresess, now also during sex feelings are better, i don't have pain but there is still a little discomfort sometimes, so i think i'll do another little cut. Probably i'll also try phimocure rings (or similar products) to expand the foreskin, that is a little tight.
Here are some pics of my current situation:
flaccid state:
https://kek.gg/i/534k9P.jpg
erect state:
https://kek.gg/i/6TFfMg.jpg
erect state, another view angle:
https://kek.gg/i/3KzKqS.jpg
remainings of the frenulum, there is still room for another cut:
https://kek.gg/i/7M5gRS.jpg
frontal view when erect, there is the maxium retraction i can reach without pain/discomfort:
https://kek.gg/i/5csYP6.jpg
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max999;753161 said:
hey your results are amazing! what do you mean by clamp-and-cut method? can you explain this and is it better then the tying?
Teasle;753176 said:
I've learned the technique from this post, please read this: Changing the frenum/frenulum - Page 4 - forums.newart.com
Here is a video of a meatomy https://www.xtube.com/video-watch/extending-meatotomy-18066712 . It's another kind of genital modification, but it uses the same technique that I used for the frenulum, so you can see that video to get an idea.
Basically you have to crush with an hemostate the part you want to cut (in our case, the frenulum), in the clamped area the crushed skin will become white and loose sensitivity for a few minutes, so you can cut it without pain or bleeding. It's hard to belive it really works, but it does!
Better than tying? I don't know, there are pros and cons in both procedures. In my case, after the first successfull tie, all others tying attempts failed (the thread didn't start to cut skin, don't know why). So i was "forced" to find an alternative way, i tried the clamp-and-cut method and it worked.
How much is the tie itself supposed to hurt? I’m in my fourth or fifth day of tying and I’ve been feeling almost zero pain, almost no discomfort even. The worst I’ve felt basically amounts to a bad itch, so today I untied to see what progress is being made and all I’m seeing is the skin being torn where the knot is rubbing around.
Which leads me to my second question. Obviously my tie probably isn’t tight enough. However whenever I tie a surgeons knot, the second half hitch keeps undoing itself and it’s really stupid because I can cinch it real tight so that the pain almost brings me to my knees, but then if I tie it off a few seconds later it all feels fine again. What other knots are good and secure but are still able to be reasonably untied so I can check my progress every three days or so?
Which leads me to my second question. Obviously my tie probably isn’t tight enough. However whenever I tie a surgeons knot, the second half hitch keeps undoing itself and it’s really stupid because I can cinch it real tight so that the pain almost brings me to my knees, but then if I tie it off a few seconds later it all feels fine again. What other knots are good and secure but are still able to be reasonably untied so I can check my progress every three days or so?
Hi, can I ask why you need to keep undoing the knot to check the progress. In mt experience if it needed to be retied because the original was loose just put another tie in alongside and tie it tight. In all cases of retying I applied numbing cream to deaden the area. That way you can tighten the knot as tight as you can without pain. By the time the cream has worn off, you have forgotten you put a new tie in. When it comes to which knot to use, I did a standard knot with doubled polyester cotton, it worked fine. Depending on what you've used to tie, it may be too big a knot?Pichu;753608 said:
MrJ;753614 said:
You know what it might actually be that my knot is too long. I’ll try losing a throw and see what happens.
I don’t untie a lot. I just did it my second day and yesterday because I was curious as to how they compared to other progress images I saw. It should be done in nine or ten days so I’ll only need two or three untie-checks. In any case, I use that time to retighten.
Hey, another few question about how progress is supposed to look.
How is the cut supposed to be progressing? In my case, it’s being cut from knot down probably due to the knot wearing at the skin but I’ve seen pictures showing a bottom-up cut where after a few days you actually wouldn’t need a needle to rethread because the hole is so visible.
How is the wound supposed to look? Mine looks and feels like one of those mouth sores you get when you suck on jawbreaker candies for too long: an angry pink crater with a white-ish looking rim that hurts like hell when you touch it directly but otherwise doesn’t really feel like much.
I think this is my third or fourth day after my retightening tie that hasn’t come loose. I can’t loosen or tighten the knot anymore no matter how I manipulate it so it’s nice and secure, however this also means I can’t make tightening adjustments. How many more days should I wait until it’s pretty decisive that no more significant progress is being made, and just cut the knot and retie a tighter one?
How is the cut supposed to be progressing? In my case, it’s being cut from knot down probably due to the knot wearing at the skin but I’ve seen pictures showing a bottom-up cut where after a few days you actually wouldn’t need a needle to rethread because the hole is so visible.
How is the wound supposed to look? Mine looks and feels like one of those mouth sores you get when you suck on jawbreaker candies for too long: an angry pink crater with a white-ish looking rim that hurts like hell when you touch it directly but otherwise doesn’t really feel like much.
I think this is my third or fourth day after my retightening tie that hasn’t come loose. I can’t loosen or tighten the knot anymore no matter how I manipulate it so it’s nice and secure, however this also means I can’t make tightening adjustments. How many more days should I wait until it’s pretty decisive that no more significant progress is being made, and just cut the knot and retie a tighter one?
Most have done tip of the head downwards which gives the greatest relief. Your sore problem may be because you keep untying to check progress instead of letting the cord do its job. The first tie is usually the longest to cut through, taking approximately 5 - 10 days. There after, they can take as little as 3 days to cut through. Just keep things clean and keep applying the antiseptic cream. Good luckPichu;753783 said:
MrJ;753853 said:
My tie fell off literally two minutes ago as I was poking it to see how it felt. Thanks so much to everyone for posting their experiences and advice. I might need to get another tie in just to get everything down there really loose but I'm really happy for now. And I feel like I should stop traumatizing my dick for a few weeks.
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Hey guys i just did my 4th tie just about 8 days ago and now I did run into a problem, i think my tie isnt tight enough to really cut through anymore. I tried to untie it but the knot wont come loose... What do you guys think i should do?
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I tried to pull on the strings but i dont think its moving...
and i dont really wanna cut the string because i want to cut the skin and after removing the string i wont find the hole again...
and i dont really wanna cut the string because i want to cut the skin and after removing the string i wont find the hole again...
Put some numbing cream on and wait five mins. When you can't feel anything try pulling on both of the ends and see if you can slide a needle alongside the original tie. Make another very tight knot. This will help cut through the skin. When that happens both of the ties will fall off. Try getting regular erections and pull back the skin as much as you can. Good luckTeasle;754258 said:
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So, did this thread die?
I would like to share my results.
Encouraged by this thread, I tried to do a frenulum-tying exercise. First time I caught a bunch of skin, including some veins I suppose. It felt funny and out of fear, I untied the frenulum. It took quite a while to heal. The second time though, I have managed to tie a shallow knot and this time around, this did the trick. I gained about 3-4mm in the process. Not much, but it is something.
Now the first tying, the more aggressive one, I undid out of fear that I might have caused some trouble - the frenulum was getting pale, but all the way to the place where it connects to the pee hole - too unsettling.
The end result? It appears that I have no clearly defined frenulum string anymore, but my head is still tied to the quite wide bunch of skin. What is more, the first tying resulted in two more veins clearly visible on my penis, making any further attempts scary to say the least.
Does anybody have a similar experience? Does my frenulum-situation (is this really a frenulum or fused skin) unusually thick? The condition, coupled with a mild phimotic ring which turns the head of my penis pointy, makes me slighly nervous with ladies for two reasons - insecure about it's looks and function (condoms tend to slip)
I guess I will have to visit the doc (not many of urologists who know about this matters save for recommending a quick circumscision) which is for some reason more embarrassing to me than it should be.
Here are some pics, you can clearly see where I managed to snip my banjo string. Apparently it wasn't enough.
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I would like to share my results.
Encouraged by this thread, I tried to do a frenulum-tying exercise. First time I caught a bunch of skin, including some veins I suppose. It felt funny and out of fear, I untied the frenulum. It took quite a while to heal. The second time though, I have managed to tie a shallow knot and this time around, this did the trick. I gained about 3-4mm in the process. Not much, but it is something.
Now the first tying, the more aggressive one, I undid out of fear that I might have caused some trouble - the frenulum was getting pale, but all the way to the place where it connects to the pee hole - too unsettling.
The end result? It appears that I have no clearly defined frenulum string anymore, but my head is still tied to the quite wide bunch of skin. What is more, the first tying resulted in two more veins clearly visible on my penis, making any further attempts scary to say the least.
Does anybody have a similar experience? Does my frenulum-situation (is this really a frenulum or fused skin) unusually thick? The condition, coupled with a mild phimotic ring which turns the head of my penis pointy, makes me slighly nervous with ladies for two reasons - insecure about it's looks and function (condoms tend to slip)
I guess I will have to visit the doc (not many of urologists who know about this matters save for recommending a quick circumscision) which is for some reason more embarrassing to me than it should be.
Here are some pics, you can clearly see where I managed to snip my banjo string. Apparently it wasn't enough.
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silversurferft;762079 said:
Hi Silversurferft, I don't think that the thread has died, more like it's outrun itself. If anyone wants to perform their own sculpture they would be able to get all the information, including pictures as guidance, right here. There are of course different shapes and sizes of foreskin and frenulum, but you get a reasonably good idea of where to start and how to do it. It would be great if the thread continues even if it is showing other lads their own results and what they did.
The only problem with your posting is I can't open your attachments. Can you repost them using another format?
hey guys, thought i posted in this thread before but I guess not. had 1 or 2 minor frenulum tears during sex over the past year so i've been thinking about either tying or getting a doc to do it for me. main question - anyone notice this helps with PE gains or hardness? i can probably get by without the procedure ... but if it will give me gains I want to do it ASAP! cheers
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Hello!
In my signature you can find a .PDF file with my penis frenulum tying and cutting off during 14.08.2018 - 17.08.2018.
I hope you all can learn from my experience.
Have a nice day!
Hello!
In my signature you can find a .PDF file with my penis frenulum tying and cutting off during 14.08.2018 - 17.08.2018.
I hope you all can learn from my experience.
Have a nice day!
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After carefully reading and planning out the operation, I'm going to do it.
Update:
I split a floss threader and made a double knot. It feels a bit tighter than the first one i made but idk if its enough to see any visible gain. The incision was thought to have been made close to the glans and shaft but it appears that it is much closer to the tubular part of the frenulum. I'll probably have to do it again after a few days.
After carefully reading and planning out the operation, I'm going to do it.
Update:
I split a floss threader and made a double knot. It feels a bit tighter than the first one i made but idk if its enough to see any visible gain. The incision was thought to have been made close to the glans and shaft but it appears that it is much closer to the tubular part of the frenulum. I'll probably have to do it again after a few days.
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Why did you stick a pen through the hole?! Theres no way your frenulum will come back!
Edit: I should have looked at your username before posting. I know that a frenulum isnt necessary but why completely get rid of it?
Why did you stick a pen through the hole?! Theres no way your frenulum will come back!
Edit: I should have looked at your username before posting. I know that a frenulum isnt necessary but why completely get rid of it?
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I just watend to free my glans completely from the frenulum, so far there is no major decrease in sensivity and wounds almost healed completely. It looks/feels more like a circumcised penis, I have more freedom, my glans and penis no longer bends downwards and I kept the skin shaft for glans protection. It seems like penis size increased by almost 0.7 cm (5% gain). While peeing, the flow of urine is more consistent and I it feels more relaxed (no more stretching pressure from frenulum).
I just watend to free my glans completely from the frenulum, so far there is no major decrease in sensivity and wounds almost healed completely. It looks/feels more like a circumcised penis, I have more freedom, my glans and penis no longer bends downwards and I kept the skin shaft for glans protection
. It seems like penis size increased by almost 0.7 cm (5% gain). While peeing, the flow of urine is more consistent and I it feels more relaxed (no more stretching pressure from frenulum).
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Hey man that's great. Yeah it is not clear what purpose the frenulum serves. So you just wanted a circumcised penis when the foreskin was pulled down?
Also on the last day was just your frenulum skin torn or was there an incision made in the frenulum? I'm worried that the knot won't cut through all the way after a week. It seems as if the knot has to be really tight to even make a dent, but then again, as the black and red picture in the earlier posts showed, a small incision will stretch the frenulum. How long did it take for the skin to heal?
I just watend to free my glans completely from the frenulum, so far there is no major decrease in sensivity and wounds almost healed completely. It looks/feels more like a circumcised penis, I have more freedom, my glans and penis no longer bends downwards and I kept the skin shaft for glans protection
Hey man that's great. Yeah it is not clear what purpose the frenulum serves. So you just wanted a circumcised penis when the foreskin was pulled down?
Also on the last day was just your frenulum skin torn or was there an incision made in the frenulum? I'm worried that the knot won't cut through all the way after a week. It seems as if the knot has to be really tight to even make a dent, but then again, as the black and red picture in the earlier posts showed, a small incision will stretch the frenulum. How long did it take for the skin to heal?
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When I woke up in the last day I saw the hole made by the knot during the other days. I inserted the pen and I force the things up. I think I made a really tight knot becuase I choosed a deep insertion point and it hurt me about 1 hour after the knot was made (I tight it as much as I could until the thread was gliding from my hands). Maybe it should have taken 3-4 more days to cut off without intervention. But remember, I tightened it well, I said fuck the pain (I did it gradually so I got used with the pain, it was not a instant one, like one from a direct cut). I'm almost healed 85-90%, I only feel a sting when stretch the skin. Job done on August 17, now is August 22, so it took 5 days for healing.
When I woke up in the last day I saw the hole made by the knot during the other days. I inserted the pen and I force the things up. I think I made a really tight knot becuase I choosed a deep insertion point and it hurt me about 1 hour after the knot was made (I tight it as much as I could until the thread was gliding from my hands). Maybe it should have taken 3-4 more days to cut off without intervention. But remember, I tightened it well, I said fuck the pain (I did it gradually so I got used with the pain, it was not a instant one, like one from a direct cut). I'm almost healed 85-90%, I only feel a sting when stretch the skin. Job done on August 17, now is August 22, so it took 5 days for healing.
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Good to hear your operation was a success! My knot did take 3-4 days to cut through and I didn't think it was tight enough. I'm fairly certain that this is thanks to the hard plastic string of the floss threader. I'm guessing that in a few days the splitting of the frenulum will heal, as the incision is shallow but noticeable. In the first few pages of the forum one member claimed to have been able to loosen is frenulum by slicing the frenulum 1mm deep with a razor blade.
Good to hear your operation was a success! My knot did take 3-4 days to cut through and I didn't think it was tight enough. I'm fairly certain that this is thanks to the hard plastic string of the floss threader. I'm guessing that in a few days the splitting of the frenulum will heal, as the incision is shallow but noticeable. In the first few pages of the forum one member claimed to have been able to loosen is frenulum by slicing the frenulum 1mm deep with a razor blade.
First and second tie progress.
Looks great
Wow I had no idea how high up the frenulum went. Looks like you gained a solid inch man! Was the second tie to get rid of the remaining frenulum?
Today I'm realizing that my tie is a bit too low from the glans, but it was pretty hard to get the needle close enough as the angle at which my glans bends at full retraction is nearly a right angle. Day 9 now and my tie is getting to be a pen sized hole. I'm wondering if I should tie a second knot through the hole since I'm changed my tie to floss.
Today I'm realizing that my tie is a bit too low from the glans, but it was pretty hard to get the needle close enough as the angle at which my glans bends at full retraction is nearly a right angle. Day 9 now and my tie is getting to be a pen sized hole. I'm wondering if I should tie a second knot through the hole since I'm changed my tie to floss.
joseph3007;n1814785 said:Looks great
JustAPinch;n1814887 said:
When healing, some of the leftover skin retracts itself. I did the second tie because the remaining skin still not freed out completely of my penis glans. Now is better
, almost perfectly I can say. I have to get rid of that piece of remaining frenulum from the shaft (bottom) from the first tie and the frenulum will be completely gone.frenectomy;n1814903 said:
When healing, some of the leftover skin retracts itself. I did the second tie because the remaining skin still not freed out completely of my penis glans. Now is better
Lol if you keep the bottom part it can be your keel! Do you still have feeling in the severed parts of the frenulum?