Frenulum Tying!

tj2;644038 said:
Congratulations on your first tie!!! I use an antibiotic ointment and pull my foreskin over the glans. Keeps everything clean and soft. I just did my 2nd tie yesterday and will post some photos in the next couple days. What I learned with my first tie is be patient and gentle with your tying. I was too rough and impatient with my first tie and it left an open wound that took a while to heal. It worked out OK, but would have been better had I had more patience. Keep us posted and photos are always helpful to those about to tie.
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Thank you!!
Then I'll keep it covered and maybe stretch it from time to time and keep the knot tightened.

Here are some pictures of the knot, not sure how deep it is, maybe 3-4mm.
Where did you put your first and second knot? I think your 2nd pic is invalid. Feel free to use my pics as reference
 
Uh, don't know how to shrink the pictures, thought it did that automatically
 
This is a repost of a photo of my first tie almost healed. You can see I didn't go deep enough.
Probably better shallow on the first tie anyhow. I will post photos of my second tie later.
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mannenmedkuken - Your photos are fine. If you can edit your photos, I resize mine to around 400X500 pixels.
Your tie looks awesome! The positioning of it looks great and your knot looks good.
 
This is my second tie...a little lower and deeper than first tie. The Numb Master (order on ebay) is 5% lidocaine and is amazing! Apply it a few times 10 minutes apart and after 30 minutes you won't feel a thing. Not that the pain without it is unbearable, but this way you can be more relax and take your time in pushing the needle through.
I used the stretchy polyester line used for bracelets/jewelry, I think it is 1mm thick. Some of the previous posts talked about it and it makes sense, we will see how it goes. Once you have the first line in, you can pull out on it and slide another needle/thread under it if you want to change threads or just want to have a tighter knot.
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tj2;644070 said:
This is my second tie...a little lower and deeper than first tie. The Numb Master (order on ebay) is 5% lidocaine and is amazing! Apply it a few times 10 minutes apart and after 30 minutes you won't feel a thing. Not that the pain without it is unbearable, but this way you can be more relax and take your time in pushing the needle through.
I used the stretchy polyester line used for bracelets/jewelry, I think it is 1mm thick. Some of the previous posts talked about it and it makes sense, we will see how it goes. Once you have the first line in, you can pull out on it and slide another needle/thread under it if you want to change threads or just want to have a tighter knot.
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Holy cow, that's a deep tie! It's seems to be done great though. Did about the same and chickened out because of bleeding (the needle head was too big I think). I think this tie might do a great job. Keep us posted!
 
It seemed deep when I first did it, but now not so much. It seems fairly comfortably now...the first couple of days there were twinges of slight pain...I think that was because I used the stretchy line and it continued to tighten by itself. From the photo below you can see it is cutting in and hopefully doing the job. I can already see a very shallow 3rd tie (maybe I am enjoying this too much!) in the future at the same spot. And then more ties down the shaft just for the hell of it. My frenulum is somewhat different than most of the other posts in that it stops at the base of my glans and doesn't continue up high.View attachment 30508
 
My knot went through a few minutes ago! Took five days. There was some blood, not much.
I will probably need a 2nd knot.

Will post photos in a few days
 
Very exciting! Can't wait to see the photos. It looked like your tie was going to make a huge difference. My tie came loose yesterday so I put in a braided silk suture thread. It looked like it was almost through...hoping that it comes off this weekend.
 
My 2nd tie came off (with some tugging) 2 days ago...trying to decide whether to put a 3rd tie in same place today or wait until it heals more. Will post some images if I do.

Still hoping someone has access to the flickr group Fren_tying and can invite me in since it is a private group.
tim_gyspy1953@yahoo.com
flickr name - tim_gypsy1953
(this is a different email address since my last request)
 
It has been a week since my 2nd tie came off. Healing was slower than the 1st tie, partially because I was using multiple ointments (3 or 4 different types) and that was causing some irritation. After a couple of days of just gentle washing with plain water, it began healing quicker.

I decided to go ahead with a 3rd tie even tho the 2nd tie is not healed. This one is higher towards the glans and deeper. Some blood, a little more pain when tying the knot, but only for a few hours. Went to a restaurant 1/2 hour after tying and by the time I returned home a couple hours later it had settled down and no pain. I used Numb Master again and it works very well...too well:) With my penis so numb even a semi-erection is not happening, which is helpful when pushing the needle through.

Photo 01 shows where I pushed the needle through 4 times before it was in the right place. The silk suture (eBay) had a curved cutting (sharp triangular shape) needle attached which pierces the skin very easily, but if you need multiple attempts at placement, the cutting action of the needle would slice up the flesh a lot. So I cut the needle off and used the suture, it comes in a sealed package and is sterile. A regular tapered needle makes a puncture wound and I think easier to heal.

Photo 03 shows how unhealed the 2nd tie still is. The blue lines indicate the margins of my 1st tie. Looking at the photos now, the 3rd tie looks deep. Once it was actually tied it doesn't look quite so deep.

Photo 04 shows the edges of the 2nd ties unhealed edges pulled together as though I was stitching up a wound. I guess it kinda is!

Photo 05 is the next morning after the tie...it looks and feels good. Now is the waiting game.

The reason I decided to push this along was because I am going on vacation for 2 weeks at the end of this month and if I wait until I am back home over a month will have passed. At my age (62) I need to push things along:)

Hopefully I will have good news in a week or so to post.

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tj2;645914 said:
It has been a week since my 2nd tie came off. Healing was slower than the 1st tie, partially because I was using multiple ointments (3 or 4 different types) and that was causing some irritation. After a couple of days of just gentle washing with plain water, it began healing quicker.

I decided to go ahead with a 3rd tie even tho the 2nd tie is not healed. This one is higher towards the glans and deeper. Some blood, a little more pain when tying the knot, but only for a few hours. Went to a restaurant 1/2 hour after tying and by the time I returned home a couple hours later it had settled down and no pain. I used Numb Master again and it works very well...too well:) With my penis so numb even a semi-erection is not happening, which is helpful when pushing the needle through.

Photo 01 shows where I pushed the needle through 4 times before it was in the right place. The silk suture (eBay) had a curved cutting (sharp triangular shape) needle attached which pierces the skin very easily, but if you need multiple attempts at placement, the cutting action of the needle would slice up the flesh a lot. So I cut the needle off and used the suture, it comes in a sealed package and is sterile. A regular tapered needle makes a puncture wound and I think easier to heal.

Photo 03 shows how unhealed the 2nd tie still is. The blue lines indicate the margins of my 1st tie. Looking at the photos now, the 3rd tie looks deep. Once it was actually tied it doesn't look quite so deep.

Photo 04 shows the edges of the 2nd ties unhealed edges pulled together as though I was stitching up a wound. I guess it kinda is!

Photo 05 is the next morning after the tie...it looks and feels good. Now is the waiting game.

The reason I decided to push this along was because I am going on vacation for 2 weeks at the end of this month and if I wait until I am back home over a month will have passed. At my age (62) I need to push things along:)

Hopefully I will have good news in a week or so to post.

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So, how did it go?
 
I'll put it in as few words as possible:

I'm 33 and I am tired of my frenulum being tight. I went as far as consulting a urologist, but decided against it --- most urologists seem to go overboard with the procedure. And the cost isn't worth it in comparison to this method (unless you have good insurance that covers things like these).

I did everything that can be found here: http://www.picazen.com/FRENULUM/fren_pics.htm --- except the following
#1. I used a sewing needle
#2. I made sure to use an elastic thread the first time.

A couple things I encountered:
#1. My frenulum was so tight, it was very hard to pull it out enough to see where the needle should go. After using lidocaine, I was able to pull it far enough out to see that, behind the glans, there was a spot where I could see where the frenulum (smooth) ended and the inner foreskin (wrinkly) started. So that's where I put the needle. The camera light on my phone helped me make sure I did not poke the vein. No blood whatsoever.
#2. The frenulum is tough to put a sewing needle through. The pinch that I felt made me stop the first time I tried. But then after taking a deep breath, I got it through the second time with a "pop" sounds. The pinch came and went instantly, I'd say pinching my arm (which I did right now) pain that lasts longer and is more intense.
#3. It's been over 12 hours now. No pain. Just a little tingly-tight sensation maybe every 15 minutes or half hour.

After all is said and done I might post a results pic. The pics of the process on this forum and on the website I (and so many others here) linked is not any different from what I did, really.

If this works, I'll be glad to make a fuss about this so other men know there's an alternative. Having a tight frenulum is, quite frankly, bullshit, and it's not really something that people KNOW about in our mainly circumcised USA (though if I'm correct, I think there are a couple guys here who are circumcised but had retained a lot of troublesome frenulum).
 
I'll put it in as few words as possible for now:

I'm 33 and I am tired of my frenulum being tight. I went as far as consulting a urologist, but decided against it --- most urologists seem to go overboard with the procedure. And the cost isn't worth it in comparison to this method (unless you have good insurance that covers things like these).

I did everything that can be found here: http://www.picazen.com/FRENULUM/fren_pics.htm --- except the following
#1. I used a sewing needle
#2. I made sure to use an elastic thread the first time.

A couple things I encountered:
#1. My frenulum was so tight, it was very hard to pull it out enough to see where the needle should go. After using lidocaine, I was able to pull it far enough out to see that, behind the glans, there was a spot where I could see where the frenulum (smooth) ended and the inner foreskin (wrinkly) started. So that's where I put the needle. The camera light on my phone helped me make sure I did not poke the vein. No blood whatsoever.
#2. The frenulum is tough to poke through with a sewing needle. But the pain was less sever than an arm pinch in length and intensity. Instant little pinch sensation, then no pain after that. But it definitely takes conviction, so if you do feel a little something, even after using lidocaine, it definitely will give if you give it just a little more push.
#3. It's been over 12 hours now. No pain. Just a little tingly-tight sensation maybe every 15 minutes or half hour.

After all is said and done I might post a results pic. The pics of the process on this forum and on the website I (and so many others here) linked is not any different from what I did, really.

If this works, I'll be glad to make a fuss about this so other men know there's an alternative. Having a tight frenulum is, quite frankly, bullshit, and it's not really something that people KNOW about in our mainly circumcised USA (though if I'm correct, I think there are a couple guys here who are circumcised but had retained a lot of troublesome frenulum).
 
Day 2 1/2

I can see the thread is cutting in. The area is whitish, no redness at all. If I pull the foreskin down all the way, I can feel just a little pinch. But otherwise, no discomfort. I don't even notice that it's there.
 
I've done 3 ties in the past 2 months. I'll probably do 1 more. Here are my observations in case anyone's interested. I'm posting here because of the current activity on this forum, and its a better format than any other message board where people are discussing this.

- ive used stretch magic .5mm and a non-stretching .15 mm, both bead weaving threads bought at a hobby store. I don't see any benefit to stretch magic, it seems to lose tension when pulled tight.
- the knot will do its work in 4 days, then lose tension. remove the knot and tie a new one through the same piercing if it doesn't pull through.
- day 1 it will be sore, then there is no sensation afterwards due to the loss of blood flow. In my experience when it starts to hurt again on day 4, that's because the knot is loose and rubbing on raw skin, and needs to be replaced with a new knot.
- the process will be completed in 8 days, if you do a second knot on day 4. the first time i tried, i left the original stretch magic knot in for 10+ days, and it didn't cut thru.
- in some guys theres a hard tendon/ligament/band attaching the head to the shaft. I thought if I separated this band, my problems would be solved, but this isn't the case. The band is only one part of a larger structure. I guess in some guys its internal to the rest of the frenulum, in some its external.
-ligation doesn't actually "remove" the frenulum, it lengthens it. However the cuts sort of recede into the shaft, so don't worry if it looks ugly immediately after the knots come out.
- takes about 2 weeks after the knots come out for the cuts to close up. 3 weeks downtime per effort.

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1. first piercing. knot never pulled through, i clipped it a little bit with scissors.
2. a month later, tried a knot further down the frenulum.
3. retied #2 after 4 days, did a new knot directly under where #1 failed, deeper into the frenulum. Both knots pulled out after 8 days.
4. this is where i'll try again. Much deeper than any of the previous knots.
 
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Same issue as what was mentioned above about the frenulum being more than the rigid band.

Day 5 1/2: The knot cut through, and now my foreskin isn't as rubber bandy as before. So now, the pain of pulling the foreskin down as far as I can isn't there! Interestingly enough, I can pull the skin up and down and it doesn't bother the wound much at all.

However, There is still some attachment to the back base of the glans, and that is what is causing tension still. I'll have to go lower down and get the tie as far down the frenulum webbing as safely possible. I can pull down my foreskin about 1/4 of an inch more than before, but because my foreskin is long, it still has a tendency to bunch up. If I can get it to go down another 1/4 inch, then I think everything will work out fine.

Also, I do have that little "knob" that's left from the frenulum band on the shaft. I'm not too worried about it. I'll wait about a week before I try to go further. The pain is very slight, but it just feels like that it would be a good idea to wait for things to heal up a bit before I try again.
 
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it's somewhat encouraging to hear I am not the only one whose frenulum seems to be more than just a thin string.

That's precisely the reason why I am still pondering whether to make another tie. A wider-than-string area (about 0.5cm) should be tied in my case to release the glans from the rest of the penis.
Wider= scarier. More tissue, more vessels etc.

Still pondering.
 
Here's my theory. The majority of the frenulum lies flat against the shaft (illustrated as colored bands). In order to pierce it, I've grabbed the "thin string" and pulled it away from the shaft. The black dots in the illustration represent where the needle was inserted, while the frenulum was pulled away. When pulled, the dots are directly next to each other (on opposite sides of a skin 'wall'), but when laying flat, they are separated by some distance. Of course when the knot is tied, they are pulled together even when laid flat against the shaft. Because of the way the frenulum lies against and wraps around the shaft (my own theory! not scientific fact) I doubt it's possible to pierce deep enough to sever the entire structure, without accidentally piercing the shaft. The piercing process simply lengthens the distance the foreskin can travel without tilting the head down, by creating a cut. At first I was afraid to go as deep as the illustration shows because of the potential size of the cut and scar, I realize now from my experience with shallower tyings that the area heals very cleanly.

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