I'm eager to hear from nervousbrit and itfellow on their tyings. It'll be good to see what the results are.

A mini update from me. I've done my first jelqing sets from DLD's [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] and it felt great to be doing it again since these problems started. It is my hope that I can loosen the ring via internal expansion from the jelqs. I also did some downward jelq movements to stretch the frenulum area down gradually. I'll be keeping a log over the next couple months on any progress from this :)

Hope everyone is well!
 
Hi Friends,

So i did my second tie, the knot loosened on last Thursday and i experienced some bleeding when i tried to stretch it today for third tie (i'm desperate) . So it needs some healing for next 10 days (i will not stretch it unless i'm 100% sure). So the important update is about the vein. This vein which i mentioned "does not touch the Glan " at all. It just comes near the glan and changes it's direction towards downside without touching the glan (this is my scenario, others may have somewhat different). This is a good news for me. The bad news is, there is hardly any gap between the Glan and the vein (1mm when stretched). So i need to be very careful while doing my next tie. After the third tie, i'm hopeful that the vein will be much farther from the glan..

I will keep updating about my progress.
 
PhallusOfOsiris,
In one of your old posts you mentioned that you used "elastic cotton/polyester sewing thread" - what thickness was this thread, and do you have any idea what to call it if I try to buy some ?
Also, normal elastic stretches about two and a half times its length - was the thread you used that "stretchy" ?
Thanks !
 
nervousbrit;480175 said:
Just about to start first tie... VERY VERY nervous... Got my anaesthetic cream ready... Gulp.

How did it go?
 
I am beginning to psych myself up to just SEVER the frenulum!!! I am having many complications with using my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] the past 2 days do to the frenulum being to taught causing some pretty unbarable pain that I just force myself through and stops after in extended state for 20 minutes.. But I am just getting pissed off that every time I strap in I am instantaneously cringing and almost about to pass out from grin and baring it!!! I wil post pictures of the frenulum in extended state so you can see exactly how taught it is and why im flipping, later tonight.... Either way I am planning on just taking a sanitized in alcohol brand new out of the package razor blade. Any emotional support in building me up is greatly appreciated along with some good tips for aftercare!!!!
 
Hey Guys,

Really glad to see how up to date this thread is, and that it is not old like all the other information I can find online about this topic.

Really I gotta thank all of you for taking the time to post information, pictures, questions, and details. You have NO idea how many guys you are helping, hiding away and suffering alone with their 'problem'. This really does affect self-esteem, confidence, and just relationships simply having a proper sex life.

So to begin, I have experienced the same microtears affecting most people with frenulum brevity. Over years, the tears seem to get worse, and combined, they seem to create scar tissue, or thicker skin, with the main problem of elasticity and skin shrinking from healing, so that each time it heals, it actually becomes tighter and shorter with more pressure on the frenulum. I am not active in Penis Enlargement, and only stumbled onto this site due to the search engine and searching about this tying off procedure that I read at first would be a day surgery, and was hyping and preparing myself to go for a doctor visit to try and book a urologist or specialist appointment, when the more reading I have read, I realize this is in fact quite a simple procedure, almost similar to getting stiches or a suture for a large cut to keep it closed. In my early adult years, I was very interested in Penis Enlargement and exercises, but realized that when doing so, it really put pressure on the frenulum and it was keeping me from achieving gains, so I stopped from the uncomfortableness and worrying that I would in fact make it worse, creating more microtears. I am sure many of you may have the same frustration of F@#$% I am just gonna cut this ___king thing once and for all! But have been a bit scared off by not knowing what or how to do it.

Fast forward to this year. I had very very rough sex last week, and it wasnt a problem before because the condom gave enough to keep the pressure from tearing, but I guess in the heat of the moment, I was going at it too hard, and long story short, a few hours after sex noticed that a sharp pain coming from that dreaded area.

I have had two kinds of tears. The microtears are horizontal, meaning perpendicular to the shaft of the penis, and look like whitish micro tears from the pressure on the skin when stretched out. The second type of tear is a bit weirder, it seems to tear parallel or lengthwise to the frenulum. The second tear causes more pain, the first kind worries me more because those are the tears which seem to reduce the elasticity after it heals. It looks like a very thin slice or slit. Almost like if you squeezed that frenulum band very tight and just made a super light surface cut along the length of it it kinda what it looks like.

Anyhow, the tears before were as I said, microtears, but this last one is a biggie, and almost seems like it is starting its own severing by itself. That area of larger tear is in the middle of the frenulum, where everything meets to make that triangle. And in front of the triangle, I have a typical thin band frenulum like most guys seem to have. My frenulum itself, I suspect is like JanBarrels, very thick and lots of extra skin. I have not seen the photos or the group at flickr so I can only suspect at this point.

So my question is, I have read its best to do the tie at the point where it seems the tightest or ripping the most, but that is nearer to the middle of the frenulum. Others I have read, its best to start as high up on the gland as possible, and somewhat work your way back with multiple ties. My problem is, where it is tearing or ripping is near the middle or tip of the triangle where everything meets, but that area is super thick skin and I am worried about veins.

If I tie as high up on the gland as I can, It would only be tying that super thin, super tight piece of frenulum band that doesnt have much skin underneath it. (Most guys with super short frenulums without much excess skin, that is the area I am talking about. But after that very tight band of skin, the V shape of frenulum and foreskin beneath is so thick and lots of skin. I had wanted to go as close to the shaft as possible, like cutting into that thick frenulum as much as possible, but I am worried about the resulting two flaps of skin left over.

I am thinking maybe I should just try a simple (more superficial, but not really superficial to anyone with this problem) as high up on the glands as possible, and leaving as little flap as possible to be left over after it cuts through. That will leave still the thicker frenulum and everything still below it, but I am hoping that tiny band when broken, will give seperation from the foreskin to the gland head itself. And then I can work on everything below with more ties once I get through the first one and realize its probably not as bad as I thought it would be.

As it stands now, though I am still healing from the cut, and its taking a long time. It honestly almost looks like I just took a razor to it and knicked the frenulum at the point where everything converges into a triangle shape. Sorry for my lack of terminology.

If JanBarrel can add me to the flickr group, I would be happy to post pictures to help others. As I have not started, I am a good candidate to show the whole procedure. I have experience with close up photos as well as steady hands, so a clear photo will really help others. If taking photos, remember to pause breathing when pushing the shutter button. The up and down motion of your diaphragm rising to breathe can blur close up photos quite easily, but I guess its hard to hold yourself and the camera and take a still picture.. practice makes perfect, when in doubt, take more than you need, so you can choose the best photos that are in focus to share.

I am still apprehensive, I get sharp pains still from pulling back my foreskin until this tear heals... its my biggest tear yet and I think I am aggravated and frustrated enough to finally do something about it, instead of waiting for it to get worse, as it has in the past with my experience. I do think I will need multiple ties though, so this isnt going to be easy or quick. I am going to try to break it down into stages, and work on the thinnest part of the frenulum to start, maybe at the highest point on the gland I can get, though I keep reading its best to tie it where it is tearing the most. Just worried about how deep to go... like JanBarrel, I got lots of extra skin under/after the frenulum.. I am worried if I go too deep into the skin (closest as possible to the shaft) that everything might look and be ok above the tie (ie the gland head and how it looks) but I am worried I will have a giant flap leftover in a kind of V shape just under the gland head/meatus. I read someone else who already had the idea to do a triangular type tie off, to basically rid yourself of this extra skin, if it will heal into a flap.. I think its too big to heal into itself or the foreskin... any comments or opinions would be appreciated. And I will post up pictures if you guys dont mind commenting and giving me your opinion with your experiences. You guys helped me a lot already, namely having the courage to perform self surgery on your most valued part of your body. I guess it wouldnt be so nerve wracking if it wasnt so packed with nerves and nerve endings, but from what I hear, the frenulum itself and tying it doesnt really hurt that much. If anything I imagine a dull, throbbing pain if any, vs that red hot knife shearing through skin feeling unless you accidentally tug or pull on the string, you might experience a sharp pain, but I think most of it is just dull pain.... anyone?

Sorry for the long first post..
 
Hi Exiled15,
I thought of just cutting it as well, and some people have, but my problem was that I was afraid that I would lose grip on the penis if there is too much blood, and it would also be difficult to see what you are doing. I think a scalpel would be a better bet than a razor blade if you do go this route.
 
UnknownUser420,
Thanks for the long post - better to give more detail than less.
My first tie was just behind the glans, and quite low down - basically against the shaft. I have a bit of skin left on the glans - maybe 1-2 mm thick - best to look at the photos though.
I was nearly in the same situation as you - pretty worried about DIY frenulum tying until I found this group.
Hope we can help you !
 
I got emla cream today. Still sore down where the tear is, it doesn't look like it's healing well, the normal papercut style looking tear is like a oval shape tear now, biggest its ever been. I also have some big frenular veins which seem to feed right tithe thick Frenulum complicating my procedure I think.

I should probably tie where it's ripping the most?

But for some reason, I think maybe going completely above the thicker skin tear part, and just tying the flap closest and highest up on the gland as possible? I think it's only like 1mm or so,not thick or depth at all. That way, I detach my gland and work my way down from there?

Alternatively I could go below my Frenulum. Trailing behind the Frenulum very where the foreskin meets the Frenulum, it has been stretched so much I have like thick skin sticking up like a popped vein. Only 1mm extra really, but it runs down the shafts like a vein. Just noticeably after the Frenulum v, it's like an extra inch of taut skin, that is the continuation of the Frenulum above. Like a banjo string, I'm looking to target both ends which is thin and not deep vs going after my Frenulum very deeply, where it's currently torn, and probably about a cm distance from the tight Frenulum stretched out, to the closest point to the shafts where I would poke the hole for the knot. That seems like a big cut. Makes me think of split lip or forked tongue once it slices through its so deep.

Anyone want to input or share your thoughts? I might just start with the very bottom, furthest away from all the action and see if I can't loosen up from there. How can I post pics and where to to get help?

Thanks guys. Oh. I need a needle and thread. Can you give types of thread suggestions, where to buy, and same for needles?

I am ready to get going on this self surgery!
 
I also notice polysporin at the pharmacy today containing 5% lidocaine or lidocaine hydrochloride. Would that be suitable for anesthetic purposes as well as healing? My emla cream only has 2.5% lidocaine so I got that anyways as that's everything I read about was emla. Not polysporin. But a quick ingredient checklist showed that.

Polysporin pain formula contains 5% lidocaine hydrochloride for fast pain relief and two antibiotics

Polysporin advanced has 5% lidocaine for pain relief, and three antibiotics, vitamin e, and cocoa butter


I was thinking of using those for recovery cream, picking one, not both. But also saw triple strength antibiotic cream too. And some bac-something spray for sunburns, cuts, wounds that contained 2.5% lidocaine too. And that's all I saw

Did not see needles or thread or sutures. Are those over the counter too like the emla cream?

Thanks for you help and replies guys
 
Hi UnknownUser420,
I used a 0.9mm need (No.4, embroidery, bought from a sewing shop) - it has slots cut into the back, so the yarn lies in these slots as it pulls through.
Buying a real medical suture seems tricky to get hold of, but it has the thread bonded to the needle.
Make sure you know how to do a double surgeons knot - that seems to work the best.
I used croche yarn, mainly for its strength, but I think dental floss of PhallusofOsiris' cotton/polyester seems the best, as it is elastic - I had to replace my thread after about 4 days as the skin had reduced and the tie could rotate. If you use something without stretch, just know that you will have to replace it with a tighter one.
 
Amazing tip. Thanks so much. Off to find a number 4 needle. I have this dental tape stuff its flat and white made by Crest called Glide. It's not really a string, more like a flat piece of..... Teflon tape, but miniature sized for teeth. And Teflon tape tears quite easily but the look is similar for those unfamiliar. Would that be suitable phallus or what brand or kind did you use? Was it waxed? Mint flavored? Just kidding..... Little pre op humour to calm the jittery nerves of actually meaning to stab something sharp into something you thought you'd never self inflict on yourself.. but seems like it will be worth it if it works.

Also can someone invite me to the flicker group so I can get the best understanding of how to begin/proceed without making a mess of myselfndown there

I kinda want it to look good too, though function and no future tear is more important than form. As that can be worked on after with pe exercises if needed/required.

I just noticed autospell wordfinish is on so some sentences may have had a weird word subbed in above. If somethings not clear let me know but once I post pics they should help describe much easier for me.
 
I would stay away from anything that is tape, unless the edges are soft - if the tape is to rigid the edges will probably cut into you, instead of just restricting the blood flow.
The main thing in my book would be strength - if you cant break it using your two hands, then its good enough. I will test my dental floss collection tonight - I'm considering using it for my 2nd tie.

Good luck for the needle hunt - let me know if I should post a photo of what the eye looks like - the slots in the direction of the needle's main axis really helped get the thread through the frenulum skin.

I have invited you to the fren_tying group in flickr - let me know if it still doesn't work.
 
Hey janbarrel, I was able to join up thanks.

I just need to get some antibiotic or after cream to speed healing. Looks like maybe polysporin is best.

I haven't chose thread or floss yet... still deciding. Whether to tie below first or above first, either way I'm gonna tackle the ends of the banjo string first to loosen things up, as the middle is just so thick skin and vein filled. Not to mention no experience before doing this, you don't know what's a lot or little yet.

I am gonna go smaller ties, less is better mentality, and I will just do multiple ties if I have to vs. My first idea of one tie, as deep as possible, just do it once, but do it right may lead me to think more scar tissue or resulting remaining nubs or bumps or extra flaps of skin from going too aggressive or deep in one go.

Will let you guys know how it goes after I get started. I know poking through your skin with needle would be a strange feeling anestheticized, but I have a weird mental block /shudder thinking of pulling the thread or floss through would be even stranger feeling. Tying a knot I can do. Just the poke first initially. Then popping the needle through. Then the string thread or floss sliding through is what is really making me second guess myself just diving in and doing it. Hopefully once everything is numb by emla cream, I can can just to the poke, pierce, push needle through and pull string through as fast as possible.

As well the eye of needle will pull two strands of thread through the hole, could you leave these two strands in, tie one string into a surgeon knot and let the other kind hang loose. Then when the first knot loosens from skin change, u can rotate and snip that thread out, while the other untouched strand, you can now tie a surgeon knot in it too, tighter than the first surgeon knot with the other strand.

It's just cause the eye pulls two strings anyways, just figure maybe you don't need to relieve again if you need to register, a second spare strand is waiting to be tied up
 
Is this a mainly uncut guys problem? I'm cut and when doing girth yesterday I noticed the frenulum is a little tight when my head gets fully engorged when I clamp. Thought nothing of it until I saw this thread.
 
Medicating- wait til I get my camera back tomorrow and I'll show you some freaky frenulum shit I got going on!!! I just stretched right through the pain and it ended up ripping a little itself!!! Im a savage beast????
 
Exiled15;481904 said:
Medicating- wait til I get my camera back tomorrow and I'll show you some freaky frenulum shit I got going on!!! I just stretched right through the pain and it ended up ripping a little itself!!! Im a savage beast????

This is going to be good!
 
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