DHT Gel

gimmegirth said:
Well done man, that's great.
I'm so exited about this stuff and would jump right in... however, i'm still growing at 20... very slowly but surely and too much testosterone can fuse growth plates early, DHT is also very powerful and you've mentioned you've been more aggressive, I didn't think it would get into the free blood stream that easily. I'm not sure I want to use this until I've stopped growing... aarrghh, it's damn frustrating, I just hope the gel's still available when I stop.

Thanks Frontierxe, this issue really needed covering and you've covered it real well so far. Congrats on the brillian gains (lucky sodrofl )
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Androgens cause epiphyseal plates to lengthen, not fuse. It is estrogen that fuses growth plates, not androgens. There are studies that prove this. This is why females are shorter than males. Females also get their growth spurt earlier than males because adrenal androgens (DHEA, Androstenedione, etc.) are produced a couple years earlier in females than they are in males. Aromatase inhibitors+testosterone injections were shown to increase male final height by 1-5 inches when administered approximately three years prior to adult height. I would say give DHT gel a try if you are inclined to try it.

Frontier, nice job. Keep us updated, I'm interested!
 
goldmember said:
Androgens cause epiphyseal plates to lengthen, not fuse. It is estrogen that fuses growth plates, not androgens. There are studies that prove this. This is why females are shorter than males. Females also get their growth spurt earlier than males because adrenal androgens (DHEA, Androstenedione, etc.) are produced a couple years earlier in females than they are in males. Aromatase inhibitors+testosterone injections were shown to increase male final height by 1-5 inches when administered approximately three years prior to adult height. I would say give DHT gel a try if you are inclined to try it.

Frontier, nice job. Keep us updated, I'm interested!
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Thanks for that Goldmember, are there any links you could post? I appreciate the knowledge and detail you bring to these forums as I'm a scholar myself... However, I'd read that after an initial spurt in bone length the growth plates fuse earlier than they would otherwise, my sources were only bodybuilding sites and so on though. I'll do some more research before I try it.
Are you looking to try DHT gel Gmember?
 
Sikdogg brought this article to my attention a while back. I couldn't put the whole article up due to its size. You should be able to find the article on a medical search engine at your university.
 
frontierxe said:
Haha! I was hoping to beat everyone with the stats before someone would ask for them...

* As I have said several times, this is for information purposes only, your results may very from mine so don't hold me to your experience and results*

The measured results are a bit confusing, but does answer a few questions about what the wife is experiencing and what I am seeing visually. I really can't explain the results at this time.

History (27 day period):
*) On DHT gel for 27 days straight. At most times, three small dots used and massaged in. One dot for the entire head, one dot for the front of the shaft and one dot for the back of the shaft.
*) Sometimes gel was put on while in the stretcher and only on exposed penile skin other times all areas of the penile skin if stretcher was not going to be used.
*) I used Andro-G gel prior to DHT gel for a week and a half. Measurements were taken prior to Andro-G.
*) Used stretcher about 3 hours a day approximately 3 times a week.
*) A 5 day stretch without stretching, but gel was applied.
*) Maintenance jelqing was used as often as I could get away with it.
*) Measurements were taken twice in a one day period to ensure accurate stats.

Length Gain:
First is length, I have gained just short of a 1/4 of an inch. This explains the deep throat issues my wife was experiencing and her comments during sex. Visually my stretch marks are much wider and overall length is hard for me to judge, but it is very clear on the tape. Now if this rate stays, my goal of 1 inch in 6 months would be overshot by 1/2 of an inch.

My conclusion though is that I do not believe these results will stay month after month but this is a good sign.

Girth Gain:
Now this is where it get's interesting and where I visually see the gain but can't explain the uneven growth.

I measure the following: circumference, diameter, and radius. First is the radius, no uneven growth between the two radius sides. This I was worried about since I have to slant the stretcher sometimes when I wear my sweats. The diameter increased by 1/8 of an inch for the length of the shaft and head but minus the base. The base diameter grew 1/4 of an inch. This explains also the deep throat issues my wife was experiencing. Circumference grew 3/8 of an inch for the base, 1/4 for the head and 1/8 for the shaft.

Conclusions:
My conclusions so far are that this stuff does help, no question. Is it worth the money, again, I state yes. I can not explain the uneven growth of my shaft compared to my head or base. The stretcher should force a more even growth. The head also confuses me, this might be with the amount of DHT I apply. For the base, it might be with how I apply it as well since it appears I go over that area when I message it in more frequent then the shaft. The wife is very pleased but frustrated. She has noticed the girth and length and does climax much faster now. She is frustrated with the blow jobs. She tried again the other day without success. My mood is still upbeat and has started to be less aggressive. I will measure again in a month.

I hope this helps others... If you have any questions, please let me know...
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wow. your gains have been awesome!! nearly half inch of girth at the base is awesome!! couple of questions...
1) how often was your jelqing?
2) approx how much of this stuff did you apply (like 1 ml or more?)
3) did you apply it once daily?
4) also, how long have you been actively Penis Enlargementing? and what have your previous gains been like?

thanks alot. will be ordering mine shortly rofl
 
EVO said:
wow. your gains have been awesome!! nearly half inch of girth at the base is awesome!! couple of questions...
1) how often was your jelqing?
2) approx how much of this stuff did you apply (like 1 ml or more?)
3) did you apply it once daily?
4) also, how long have you been actively Penis Enlargementing? and what have your previous gains been like?

thanks alot. will be ordering mine shortly rofl
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Answers to your questions:

1) Every day, once at least - I did try to do it more often but that was rare. This was really just maintenance jelqing process due to limited time and privacy.
2) I would say about a quarter to half of a penny total per day consisting of three dots. That is why I stated above that this should last well past 6 months.
3) Only one treatment per day.
4) I would say on and off for about a year. Hard to say because I really didn't track it very well at all - I would say no more than 1/2 an inch in length and 1/2 of inch in girth.

I hope this helps....
 
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I've been a little worried after reading research regarding DHT and prostate cancer... It's all abit sketchy as this passage showes:

Although testosterone replacement is essential, one must treat it with caution as Dihydrotestosterone, DHT, (a metabolite of testosterone) has been blamed for accelerating prostate enlargement, male pattern baldness and even prostate cancer growth. Interestingly enough, in France a new treatment for prostate cancer and impotence uses a topical DHT gel.

http://www.wellnessmd.com/testosterone.html
 
Another thought... applying the gel when clamped? Maybe trapping more DHT within the penis and limiting its escape to the rest of the body. The penis would be at full expansion to.

Frontier, do you use gloves or just wash your hands straight after?
 
gimmegirth said:
http://www.secure-sales.org.uk/clini...rone-gel.shtml

Is it andractim gel your using??

Is this where you ordered it from Frontier? rhgunner where did you order yours from.
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Consult link...

http://www.allsaintsclinic.org/testosterone-gel.shtml

That is the place I purchased mine from. You get two tubes the size of toothpaste and a test which I promptly threw away.

I wash my hands immediately afterwards. So far no issues with hair lose... Nothing in the brush...

Very interesting idea about the clamp and applying the gel. I wonder... However, I think though once it enters the blood stream it goes everywhere... I just might have to exp with it... Thanks for the idea...
 
I did order mine from that site(all saints clinic). I ordered it on last thursday and they said it should be here between 5-10 days. I will keep you guys posted.
 
Did you have to give them an exuse for ordering it?

I'm going to order some for when I get back to Uni on the 14th.

I'm still trying to think of the best way to use it with Penis Enlargement... I believe the theory behind the IPR protocol, and it has worked for me with length. I'm not sure about girth and am worried about collegen build-up because of lack of rest.
 
gimmegirth said:
Did you have to give them an exuse for ordering it?

I'm going to order some for when I get back to Uni on the 14th.

I'm still trying to think of the best way to use it with Penis Enlargement... I believe the theory behind the IPR protocol, and it has worked for me with length. I'm not sure about girth and am worried about collegen build-up because of lack of rest.
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i am in a similar predicament. im currently on a decon in prep for an IPR round for length. i will be buying the gel on the 15th (loan date :) ) but im not sure whether to use it continuously or to stop using it when i decon next time?
 
EVO said:
i am in a similar predicament. im currently on a decon in prep for an IPR round for length. i will be buying the gel on the 15th (loan date :) ) but im not sure whether to use it continuously or to stop using it when i decon next time?
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LOL, my loans through on 15th to:P .
I don't fancy applying the gel after girth work because fluid built-up might hold some of the DHT. I'm interested in applying it clamped though.
I'm also not sure whether application of androgens down-regulates androgen receptors... whether you could use it for short periods or long periods. You seem to have seen some accounts of people using it continuously, could you fill me in?
I'd also like to try the same method as frontiere because of his fantastic gains.
I'm thinking of maybe doing light length and girth cycles using the opposing cycle as proliferation and resting a little but still applying the gel... the gel alone should cause growth.
I'll moniter growth closely and if any platuea's are reached I'll have to think again... prob. decon break... it sounds as if the gel last a long time, and I'm not sure about having elevated DHT levels for such a prolonged period.
 
the only studies i know about are the ones posted in this thread. a reason for not cycling the gel would be that the studies used it continous for 3-4 months, also in similar cases hormones have an accumalative effect, depending on how long they take to break down. (not sure about dht). well since frontierxe has had really good gains in just 1 month, i think i will be doing an extended version of IPR so 1 month in I phase, 2 weeks in R phase (with gel) then 6 weeks off (havent decided whether or not to use the gel here, if i do and dont gain then it will be a waste. also it could affect my R phase. if i dont use it i could be missing out on some gains, but then it will last me twice as long for when im actively Penis Enlargementing). hHydromaxmm...
this is speculation however, if i get to 1 month of IPR and im still gaining, then i may keep going until my gains slow down.
 
Yeah, it's going to take some thought and close monitoring. I'm wondering if more DHT would remain in the penis for longer if applied flaccid rather than erect ... less blood flow to take it around the body: Frontiers large gains were made applying it in the flaccid stretched state, when applying it without the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] were you erect frontier?? I imagine that when applied to treat micro-penis the subject is flaccid. I think it's the fact that the DHT is elevated inthe penis rather than the blood-stream that causes gains, many men with certain medical conditions apply this to the skin of the upper-body, and although increasing erection quality I've havn't heard of size gains when applied in this way.
As Frontier has made good gains I think it would be logical to try a similar routine and application method, monitor growth closely and then maybe experiment if growth slows alot. I think I'd definately ANC when using it to take advantage of those noctural eractions and to try and trap DHT in there longer... if DHT does 'hang-around' inside a flaccid penis then I expect the bloodflow of an erection would then send it round the body, so it the erection is constricted slighty to limit outflow and optimise growth.
 
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hHydromaxmm, i saw it diffently to you i think. i was planning on applying it erect, since the chambers are already filled up with blood, then once the gel is applied it would have access to all the expanded cells. expanded cells = greater surface area for detection by the receptors. an erection means there is more blood flow in as well as out, but is maintained because the inflow of blood is more than the outflow. it probably doesnt make that much difference, i do think a constriction device would be helpful though!!
 
EVO said:
hHydromaxmm, i saw it diffently to you i think. i was planning on applying it erect, since the chambers are already filled up with blood, then once the gel is applied it would have access to all the expanded cells. expanded cells = greater surface area for detection by the receptors. an erection means there is more blood flow in as well as out, but is maintained because the inflow of blood is more than the outflow. it probably doesnt make that much difference, i do think a constriction device would be helpful though!!
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I agree with you and would apply it erect... i believe that this is how magnumforce did it.
 
When I am in the stretcher is when I apply it. When I can't use the stretcher for the day I usually apply it right after I get out of the shower.

What is outstanding is that others are trying it and in different ways this means we can see a large aspect of how we could potentially use this stuff.

Question for those that have ordered it, what quantity are you going to use it at? How much applied and will you try it twice a day?
 
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i was thinking of applying it twice daily since studies show that it peaks within 2-8 hours. (once before bed). was planning to use a total of 1.5g / day.
assuming im 100kg, 0.3mg/kg (effective dosage in studies) would be needed which makes total volume of gel to be added = 1.2g.
although i am aware that the patients in those studies did suffer abnormal hormonal levels, and im not sure how much we can actually compare to that...
 
i stopped using it because i got used to the pump it gave me. for the first week or two it really filled up the cc chambers, but after that it just felt like a normal erection so i stopped it... will probably use it when i start IPR again :)
i suppose for the price it may be worth getting, i was applying it like 3-4 times a day and still got some left. better than shelling out $40 for pills!!.

hey gold, wanted to ask you something. im going to be buying some more herbs, but some sites recommend taking ALOT. e.g horny goat weed, previously i was taking 500 mg, but now you can get it at like 3000mg. sililar thing with yohimbe, was taking 500mg, now selling at 1200mg. any idea it its "safe" to take these high dosages? and also would taking 3000mg of 40% saponins of tribulus be the same as taking 1500mg of 80% saponins?
 
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A tribulus and ZMA stack worked well for my test. levels... felt confident and quite aggressive, got more erections. Was nothing drastic though.
 
I was thinking of using it twice a day. I haven't decided yet. I have some time to decide because I'm still waiting for my order. I hope to get it by early next week. How long do you have to wait after applying DHT gel to have sex? How long does it stay on top of your skin? Do I wash my penis before sex?
What effects would it have on a women?
 
EVO said:
i stopped using it because i got used to the pump it gave me. for the first week or two it really filled up the cc chambers, but after that it just felt like a normal erection so i stopped it... will probably use it when i start IPR again :)
i suppose for the price it may be worth getting, i was applying it like 3-4 times a day and still got some left. better than shelling out $40 for pills!!.
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How did it affect your flaccid though?

EVO said:
hey gold, wanted to ask you something. im going to be buying some more herbs, but some sites recommend taking ALOT. e.g horny goat weed, previously i was taking 500 mg, but now you can get it at like 3000mg. sililar thing with yohimbe, was taking 500mg, now selling at 1200mg. any idea it its "safe" to take these high dosages? and also would taking 3000mg of 40% saponins of tribulus be the same as taking 1500mg of 80% saponins?
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I wouldn't exceed 1000mg (10% icariin) with horny goat weed, and I avoid yohimbe all together. You can take your chances with that if you'd like, but I never thought those herbs had any place in Penis Enlargement. Horny goat weed is alright if you've got low libido, but other than that, it's pretty much worthless. The tribulus can be halved if the saponins are doubled, like you said. Again, unless your test levels are low, I wouldn't bother with tribulus either.

Since you will be applying DHT, you won't have a problem with test levels OR libido. I would save your money for something more fun/worthwhile.
 
goldmember said:
How did it affect your flaccid though?


I wouldn't exceed 1000mg (10% icariin) with horny goat weed, and I avoid yohimbe all together. You can take your chances with that if you'd like, but I never thought those herbs had any place in Penis Enlargement. Horny goat weed is alright if you've got low libido, but other than that, it's pretty much worthless. The tribulus can be halved if the saponins are doubled, like you said. Again, unless your test levels are low, I wouldn't bother with tribulus either.

Since you will be applying DHT, you won't have a problem with test levels OR libido. I would save your money for something more fun/worthwhile.
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ok thanks. i really only want it to increase blood flow. but like you said the dht will probably do alot of that...

the enlargo cream has a sort of menthol effect on your skin, making it feel refreshed and also increases blood flow. i dont think it made my flaccid that much longer, but definitely thicker.
 
EVO said:
ok thanks. i really only want it to increase blood flow. but like you said the dht will probably do alot of that...

the enlargo cream has a sort of menthol effect on your skin, making it feel refreshed and also increases blood flow. i dont think it made my flaccid that much longer, but definitely thicker.
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No to get too much off the topic of DHT, but...

I thought the active ingredients in Enlargo were methyl salicycate and capsaicin. Those have the OPPOSITE effect of menthol, which cools/soothes skin, whereas the former make the skin feel like it is burning. Does it also contain menthol? Does it list concentrations of the ingredients (5% methyl salicycate, 0.001% capsaicin, 3% menthol, etc.)?
 
it is like a mild burning, although so mild it feels like when you use menthol. i dont know how to describe it better sorry
 
sikdogg said:
I agree with you and would apply it erect... i believe that this is how magnumforce did it.
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Have you got anymore info on Magnumforce findings? 'spiecially gains?? Because Frontier has got fantastic gains applying it in the stretched state, these gains are exeptional for the time period and would indicate that it's not a bad way of applying it. The only other reported gains I've read were Girthius .5" both ways, I'm not sure how he applied it.
The uneven girth growth frontier has experienced is an issue for me though as mid-upper shaft is where I REALLY need girth gains.
 
hey guys, my mate is making a "fag run" to france in about 2 weeks and will be picking me up a few tubes of andractim gel. i will probably have a few to sell (not sure on the amount yet), also im not sure on the price either. but they will be substantially cheaper than buying from that site. pm me if you are interested.
 
I was going to ask the same thing. Is it that you run after fags in a race to get to the end? Ok, I probably shouldn't have said end.

But seriously, what is that?

Also, for those that start using DHT, please state your age, t-level ( if you have it ), hair condition, etc so we can have some context to your use.
 
Hi Evo,
I was'nt able to send you a pm but I would be interested in buying some andractim gel from you when you have your supply on hand.
 
Hahaha... the good old fag run... a cockney tradition since the Chunnel was built! I'd also be interested Evo, I couldn't PM you either.
Can you tell me when you'll have it by and approx. how much it'll cost... how come you can get it cheap in france??

I need to know 'cos i'm itching to start this!
 
Couple of questions

This stuff ships to the US ok?

DHT= Andractim ??

Do I need the other gel that frontier ordered or is DHT fine by itself?

2 Tubes good for 6 months?

There was some results at other Penis Enlargement sites where DHT did not do anything. Guess you have to be lucky?

Will it be ok if I'm only 20?

Thanks in advance!
 
yes, DHT is andractim gel.
andractim is the only gel you want.
not sure about shipping to states.
depends on how much you use it, frontierxe says his will last 6 months in the applications he is using.
have you got a link to these other sites?
 
spinner2 said:
Magnumforce said to use Saw Palmetto to prevent prostate cancer. I plan on doing that if I use DHT.
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I wouldn't use saw palmetto. It counteracts the effects of DHT. You want anti-oxidant protection, particularly from selenium (200mcg) and lycopene (3mg).
 
goldmember said:
I wouldn't use saw palmetto. It counteracts the effects of DHT. You want anti-oxidant protection, particularly from selenium (200mcg) and lycopene (3mg).
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Hi, Saw Palmetto does in a way counteract the effects of DHT, but it does so in a beneficial manner, and so I would suggest that if you are going to use DHT that you do take Saw Palmetto.

A hormone is a messenger. The message is given to a cell with the hormone docks at the receptor docking site. However, if the docking site is full then the hormone cannot make a connection to the cell. Saw Palmetto is not a hormone, but rather serves to occupy the DHT docking sites, and in so doing, keeps the DHT from connecting to the docking site at all.

An analogy would be if you had a key to a Ford Automobile. That key to your Ford would fit in any Ford lock, but would not open any others but your car. However, if you had your key in someone else's lock, and they could not remove it, it would keep them from putting their key in the lock, and in so doing, you would have prevented the door or ignition, or what ever lock you had your key in, from working. That is what Saw Palmetto does.

With the docking sites full, then the message that DHT carries does not make it to the prostate, giving protection from the increased amount of DHT due to supplementation.

Best of luck,

Stage
 
but doesnt that mean it would also bind to the receptors in the penis? assuming its action is not specific. we dont want to block the receptors in the penis as that is where we want the effect. your body can reduce dht to its inactive metabolites, (which is why i dont understand why people in thunders were putting it on their chest ). so i wouldnt worry about its systemic effects that much.
 
EVO said:
but doesnt that mean it would also bind to the receptors in the penis? assuming its action is not specific. we dont want to block the receptors in the penis as that is where we want the effect.
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My thoughts exactly...selenium and lycopene
 
frontierxe,

Wow, thats really upsetting. I read the whole thread and I was counting on seeing your great (gains) pics - I am just that way though. I love to see things in real life (pics) - guess its just me - like magic tricks or ghosts - I have to see them to believe them . . . . . LOL.

I read all your posts and didnt see your measurements. You've been a member since 2004 (almost 3 years of Penis Enlargement?) - you must have made some gains (what did you start with) since then?

I know what ya mean about the computer. I posted alot of pics to show my progress and I also have kids - so I know what ya mean about sharing the computer.

  • what size did you start with in 2004,
  • approximately what did you start with before the DHT, Andractim ?

Thanks for sharing your research and advice with us.

Sorry - there will be NO pictures. This is a shared computer that I allow my kids to get on. Let's just say, no pictures will occur but I do use a window washer program to ensure no traces exist and will continue to document MY experience. Your experience may be different so take that into account. I WILL NOT promise my results to anyone. Just educating others on what I am experiencing.
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With topical DHT the effects would be concentrated more locally. I've read that saw palmetto tends to work more locally on the prostate as well. Combining these, you can hope to avoid prostate problems, and still benefit from the DHT.

Yes, you are losing some potency, but preventing prostate cancer is far more important than Penis Enlargement benefits.
 
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