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bluenun said:

I am also interested to know what p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt is sold and used for besides chemical Penis Enlargement

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Here you go...

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206982&postcount=38

sikdogg said:

Here you go...

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206982&postcount=38

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Thank-you. So I am assuming that Potaba is p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt just labeled and put in a pretty container.

I contacted a company in the US that will ship 1000grams of p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt for $175. $40 of that is shipping.

Potaba appears to have been used successfully in the treatment of Peyronies disease and they were on it from 3 months to 2 years.

"The authors suggest that this medication offers no hazard of further local injury as may result from other therapy. There were no significant untoward effects encountered on long term POTABA® therapy."

That is encouraging as long as the salt is no more harmful than Potaba which is apparently non toxic.

I would want to take start taking this 2 weeks before I start Trimix for 8 further weeks.

I noticed Relaxin was another option as a potentiator. Some info here
http://www.samyue.com/relaxinhormonereplacementtTherapy.htm

Or as you say DHT which might be preferable as it can be applied topically.

bluenun said:

Thank-you. So I am assuming that Potaba is p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt just labeled and put in a pretty container.

I contacted a company in the US that will ship 1000grams of p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt for $175. $40 of that is shipping.

Potaba appears to have been used successfully in the treatment of Peyronies disease and they were on it from 3 months to 2 years.

"The authors suggest that this medication offers no hazard of further local injury as may result from other therapy. There were no significant untoward effects encountered on long term POTABA® therapy."

That is encouraging as long as the salt is no more harmful than Potaba which is apparently non toxic.

I would want to take start taking this 2 weeks before I start Trimix for 8 further weeks.

I noticed Relaxin was another option as a potentiator. Some info here
http://www.samyue.com/relaxinhormonereplacementtTherapy.htm

Or as you say DHT which might be preferable as it can be applied topically.

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have you found a place that ships trimix to uk? if so is it expensive?

EVO said:

have you found a place that ships trimix to uk? if so is it expensive?

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No, we are still looking for the Trimix.

I took Cialis today and stayed erect for 55 minutes but it is getting hard work for me as I approach 40. Stimulation is needed.

What I like about the idea of using Trimix as the vasodilator is once injected into the CC you do not need to stimulate to stay erect which is great as 3-6 hours is mentioned in the trials.

The Papaverine and Phentolamine increase blood flow to the penis and Prostaglandin E1 is a relaxant.

Let me know if you find someone that will ship to the UK without a prescription.

bluenun said:

No, we are still looking for the Trimix.

I took Cialis today and stayed erect for 55 minutes but it is getting hard work for me as I approach 40. Stimulation is needed.

What I like about the idea of using Trimix as the vasodilator is once injected into the CC you do not need to stimulate to stay erect which is great as 3-6 hours is mentioned in the trials.

The Papaverine and Phentolamine increase blood flow to the penis and Prostaglandin E1 is a relaxant.

Let me know if you find someone that will ship to the UK without a prescription.

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My thoughts exactly. This is why I would love to find a way to get the injectables such as trimix or PGE-1. But going to the doctor and asking for a prescription is out of the question at least for me. To bad we don't have a doctor that is a member of this forum that would presribe it for us.

FuzzyKen said:

Yes, I think that medical supervision is going to be the best way and definitely the safest way.

Once it takes hold I do not think that finding an MD who will give you what you want will be all that difficult.

You're forgetting something. This immediately puts all the penis enlargement surgeons out of business. How are they going to pay the payments on those Bimmers and Benz's. They either join or they STARVE!

Also remember that advertising sells. The MD that makes a "4-incher" into a "six-incher" may get some business. The MD who makes a "4-incher" into a "one-footer" is going to get ALL the business and THEY know it. THE SIZE WILL BE the competition between the medical practices! As long as they are not held responsible for the "pants python" I don't see much of a problem.

I think that the biggest hurt and problem is that there are going to be individuals who will not be able to have this at all. Those who have had silicone injected and those who have had any kind of implantation in relation to enlargement surgery would not be good candidates because their own tissue would grow and the implanted substances would not. If the only surgical procedure done was a "ligament chop" then they would be OK.


Sincerest Best,
Fuzzy Ken

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Hi Ken, I have been following this thread and your posts on here and the other boards.

Are you saying that if someone did dermal fat grafts, they would not be able to do this treatment? What would happen if they tried?

Perhaps not alloderm or silicone, but I would suspect fat grafts would stretch accordingly.

rangel said:

Hi Ken, I have been following this thread and your posts on here and the other boards.

Are you saying that if someone did dermal fat grafts, they would not be able to do this treatment? What would happen if they tried?

Perhaps not alloderm or silicone, but I would suspect fat grafts would stretch accordingly.

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From what i've read and dermal graft... they do in fact expand. The real issues i see with having dermal grafts is that it would take a longer needle to actually inject the cc. Since trimix is dispensed from a pen-type of device i think that the needles used are of a fixed length and may not be able to reach the cc.

sikdogg said:

From what i've read and dermal graft... they do in fact expand. The real issues i see with having dermal grafts is that it would take a longer needle to actually inject the cc. Since trimix is dispensed from a pen-type of device i think that the needles used are of a fixed length and may not be able to reach the cc.

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Thank you for the response, Sikdogg. My dermal grafts have reabsorbed for the most part since I had them 10 years ago (courtesy of rodney barrons - stay clear). But even the initial gain was around 3/8" around so if the trimix needle is the size of a 31 gauge 5/16" (8 mm) insulin needle , I think it will reach the cc.

The important issue for me is that dermal grafts expand.

bluenun said:

I took Cialis today and stayed erect for 55 minutes but it is getting hard work for me as I approach 40. Stimulation is needed.

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Why is stimulation a problem. I don't see how it would have any effect on growth, and it would be more fun if you could avoid ejaculation.

rangel said:

Thank you for the response, Sikdogg. My dermal grafts have reabsorbed for the most part since I had them 10 years ago (courtesy of rodney barrons - stay clear). But even the initial gain was around 3/8" around so if the trimix needle is the size of a 31 gauge 5/16" (8 mm) insulin needle , I think it will reach the cc.

The important issue for me is that dermal grafts expand.

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All i've ever read about was on Allograft and i'm not sure if it's the same as what you had done...

Trimix uses an auto-injector which has a much shorter needle. If you've had girth enhancement, you will most likely have trouble using an auto-injector. That's not to say that you couldn't use an standard slin needle...

sikdogg said:

All i've ever read about was on Allograft and i'm not sure if it's the same as what you had done...

Trimix uses an auto-injector which has a much shorter needle. If you've had girth enhancement, you will most likely have trouble using an auto-injector. That's not to say that you couldn't use an standard slin needle...

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Got it.

Dermal fat grafts are when they take strips of fat tissue from a donor site and insert it into the penis. Here is an excerpt from the site:

"The second method is a process known as Dermal Graft Augmentation, a relatively new yet very successful technique. With this procedure, strips of skin with the fat on the under-surface are removed from low-visibility areas of the body, usually from areas where there are natural body creases. These strips are then inserted under the skin of the penis through two small incisions. The grafts are positioned to meet under the skin, surrounding the entire shaft, thus eliminating visible ridges. The procedure adds approximately 30% to 50% in circumference."

I think Allograft is a reference to Alloderm grafts, a foreign substance used for surgical girth enhancements. I've read more than once that Ken believes this will disqualify one from the chemical Penis Enlargement.


In any case, this wont be a deterrent for me to try with various sized needles.

Actually i meant to say Alloderm, not Allograft...

Does anyone know if Potaba is p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt just labeled and put in a pretty container or does Potaba contain anything else as well?

"Porcine relaxin is sold under the brand names Biolaxin™ and Vitalaxin™. As nutritional supplements, they do not require a prescription"

DHT might be preferable as it can be applied topically and obtained easily and cheaply.

Which of the 3 would be your choice of Potentiator if cost or availability were not an issue and why?

bluenun said:

Does anyone know if Potaba is p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt just labeled and put in a pretty container or does Potaba contain anything else as well?

"Porcine relaxin is sold under the brand names Biolaxin™ and Vitalaxin™. As nutritional supplements, they do not require a prescription"

DHT might be preferable as it can be applied topically and obtained easily and cheaply.

Which of the 3 would be your choice of Potentiator if cost or availability were not an issue and why?

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id like to take p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt (basically potaba), some dht (although i have no idea where to obtain this from) and a vasodilator of some kind.

EVO said:

id like to take p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt (basically potaba), some dht (although i have no idea where to obtain this from) and a vasodilator of some kind.

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I'm planning on doing Trimix, Potaba, and DHT cream. I going to buy bulk DHT powder and make my own transdermal delivery solution (either homebrew or phlogel). I should be able to get everything by end of March.

any idea where to get the trimix sikdog? and also cost (god knows it wont be cheap > ) and also where would you buy dht from? sorry for the annoying questions.

I'm probably going to get the trimix from Boston Medical Group. They provide solutions for ED but their primary solution is prescribing Trimix to everyone. They offer 2, 4, and 6 month plans. The 6 months plan will cost in the neighborhood of $1,100 plus the office visit. I assume that the 2 and 4 month plans are significanly cheaper.

I will probably buy the DHT bulk from China. I think i'm going to homebrew the transdermal solution and probably add 5-10% DMSO to increase absorbtion. I will try and find a source in China for Potaba as well... Since Potaba and DHT are prescription only meds, i can't talk more about this...

EVO said:

id like to take p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt (basically potaba), some dht (although i have no idea where to obtain this from) and a vasodilator of some kind.

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Do you know the difference between p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt and Potaba?

I am undecided on whether to use DHT cream after reading this,

"Originally Posted by Formysweetie
I have a question-- what's wrong with DHT cream, if it's cycled? Or maybe it doesn't help, anyway? What's your explanation? I didn't think that any precursor would bother the prostate. "

Reply posted by GHOSTING

"DHT cream will never work because all the androgen receptors in the penis have been down regulated. Plus even if the was a target to hit, somr of thr DHT will go systemic. DHT isnt all bad, but men who are predisposition to hair loss dont want extra DHT in their body. The prostate being so close and it not liking DHT, I definitely wouldnt put it there. Prohormones have to travel to the liver to get turned into their target hormore, so applying a transdermal full precursors for localized action on the penis would totally defeate the purpose. Once the precursors become their target hormone they will go to work on the prostate and hair."

What do you think of those comments?

bluenun said:

Do you know the difference between p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt and Potaba?

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From what i've read, they're the same thing...

[/quote]I am undecided on whether to use DHT cream after reading this,

"Originally Posted by Formysweetie
I have a question-- what's wrong with DHT cream, if it's cycled? Or maybe it doesn't help, anyway? What's your explanation? I didn't think that any precursor would bother the prostate. " [/quote]
You have to understand that ANY exogenous androgen WILL cause suppression. There is nothing wrong with DHT cream, you just have to realized that it will not stay where you put it... some WILL go systemic. I'm not a big fan of using prohormones (PH) for this because frankly, you don't get much bang for the buck. PH conversion rates are maybe in the 10% range so applying a DHT precursor to your penis means almost nothing. DHT precursors will do little to your prostrate... in fact DHT itself doesn't do a whole lot. From what i've read (if i recall correctly), estrogen does more to cause BPH than DHT. I'll try to dig up the study and post...

Reply posted by GHOSTING

"DHT cream will never work because all the androgen receptors in the penis have been down regulated. Plus even if the was a target to hit, somr of thr DHT will go systemic. DHT isnt all bad, but men who are predisposition to hair loss dont want extra DHT in their body. The prostate being so close and it not liking DHT, I definitely wouldnt put it there. Prohormones have to travel to the liver to get turned into their target hormore, so applying a transdermal full precursors for localized action on the penis would totally defeate the purpose. Once the precursors become their target hormone they will go to work on the prostate and hair."

What do you think of those comments?

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I don't know what the context Ghosting's comment comes from so i don't know what he means with regards to the AR's in the penis being down regulated...

I also used to think that the PH conversion to the target hormone happens in the liver but that it not entirely correct. The primary enzyme used for the conversion process is the 3BHSD... this enzyne is not exclusively found in the liver but can be found in tissues all through out the body.

Reference on Girth Enhancement Procedures.

The first thing to immediately rule out is any individual who has had alloderm or implantation of silicone these individuals are out of the question.

The next group were those who underwent either lipotransfer which was injection of fat and the next unsuccessful method which was dermal grafts.

In the case of those two methods the main problems would come from small left over nodules remaining behind. As the penis would begin to stretch the loose skin which you have left over would begin to tighten up again. (This is the good part) What could also happen however is that if there are nodules left behind, that something that was NOT a problem could now become evident as the lose skin tightens with the expansion of your penis. The loose skin hides a multitude of sins in many of these cases, so after the graft or transfer reabsorbed you may not see things that could be a problem. This is NOT a 100% thing, but what I would suggest is that the inital trial groups consist of individuals who are "virgin" in as many ways as is possible to all other methods of Penis Enlargement. It will give the data more weight, and then the others come into this later. As time goes on then bring in everything in a controlled manner. By doing this the experiences of the first group may be able to head off problems for later groups.

Fuzzy Ken