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FuzzyKen said:

Yes, I think that medical supervision is going to be the best way and definitely the safest way.

Once it takes hold I do not think that finding an MD who will give you what you want will be all that difficult.

You're forgetting something. This immediately puts all the penis enlargement surgeons out of business. How are they going to pay the payments on those Bimmers and Benz's. They either join or they STARVE!

Also remember that advertising sells. The MD that makes a "4-incher" into a "six-incher" may get some business. The MD who makes a "4-incher" into a "one-footer" is going to get ALL the business and THEY know it. THE SIZE WILL BE the competition between the medical practices! As long as they are not held responsible for the "pants python" I don't see much of a problem.

I think that the biggest hurt and problem is that there are going to be individuals who will not be able to have this at all. Those who have had silicone injected and those who have had any kind of implantation in relation to enlargement surgery would not be good candidates because their own tissue would grow and the implanted substances would not. If the only surgical procedure done was a "ligament chop" then they would be OK.


Sincerest Best,
Fuzzy Ken

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I agree with you that medical supervision would be the best and safest way.
However here in the UK we are usually at least 10 years behind you guys and my Dr had not even heard of Propecia being used for MPB so I wont hold my breath.

As far as putting the Surgeons out of business I am not sure, some want instant results with the use of Alloderm rather than many months of inducing Non-iscHydromaxic Priapism (new buzz words )
A lot of the surgeons exaggerated the gains that could be made from surgery and I am sure the same will happen here too.

Competition is a good thing though.

bluenun said:

I agree with you that medical supervision would be the best and safest way.
However here in the UK we are usually at least 10 years behind you guys and my Dr had not even heard of Propecia being used for MPB so I wont hold my breath.

As far as putting the Surgeons out of business I am not sure, some want instant results with the use of Alloderm rather than many months of inducing Non-iscHydromaxic Priapism (new buzz words )
A lot of the surgeons exaggerated the gains that could be made from surgery and I am sure the same will happen here too.

Competition is a good thing though.

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well the only instant gain you get from surgery is a '3/8th of an inch boost'. the rest of the gains are made from hanging weights and wearing ADS's for at least 8 hours a day.

are these vasodilators expensive and can be shipped abroad?

In hopes of making the discussion of the Patent Protocol better I took the time and quickly founded a Yahoo group which will be dedicated to this subject alone.

I would also like to ask Sikdogg if he would like to join me in that group as a second moderator.

I know it is a pain in the rear but in the interest of removing those who are interested but are unmotivated to actually do their homework the membership is by "Approval". The approval is really simple. You have and print out the patent report AND in the request to join area you place the "U.S. Current Class:" number which is on the right hand side of the cover sheet opposite that line. If we find some idiot cheating we simply make it harder. This tells the moderators that you have the report and are at least trying to read it.

Doing this separate group also separates the current patent discussions from the discussion which has taken place on threads over several years and can be confusing. The patent report as a whole is well written and is relatively clear in most areas.

I /We welcome you to the group and just remember to give us a wee bit of lag time in getting the memberships approved. One other minor thing, because we are discussing male genitalia I had to do this stupid thing as an "Adult Group". Please make certain that your age appears in your Yahoo profile or membership infomation.

One other thing that I like about using Yahoo for this one is that we can use photo files if anyone actually has success and we can begin to document photographically as progression takes place. This is the ONLY way to really begin to document things. If this works we can quickly begin to produce the evidence to that fact!

Look forward to seeing you there!

Fuzzy Ken

In hopes of making the discussion of the Patent Protocol better I took the time and quickly founded a Yahoo group which will be dedicated to this subject alone.

The name of the Yahoo group is "patent5159" which are the last four digits in the patent number.

I would also like to ask Sikdogg if he would like to join me in that group as a second moderator. Sik, I like your thinking and would like to work with you on this subject.

I know it is a pain in the rear but in the interest of removing those who are interested but are unmotivated to actually do their homework the membership is by "Approval". The approval is really simple. You have and print out the patent report AND in the request to join area you place the "U.S. Current Class:" number which is on the right hand side of the cover sheet opposite that line. If we find some idiot cheating we simply make it harder. This tells the moderators that you have the report and are at least trying to read it.

Doing this separate group also separates the current patent discussions from the discussion which has taken place on threads over several years and can be confusing. The patent report as a whole is well written and is relatively clear in most areas.

I /We welcome you to the group and just remember to give us a wee bit of lag time in getting the memberships approved. One other minor thing, because we are discussing male genitalia I had to do this stupid thing as an "Adult Group". Please make certain that your age appears in your Yahoo profile or membership infomation.

One other thing that I like about using Yahoo for this one is that we can use photo files if anyone actually has success and we can begin to document photographically as progression takes place. This is the ONLY way to really begin to document things. If this works we can quickly begin to produce the evidence to that fact!

Look forward to seeing you there!

Fuzzy Ken

I just did a yahoo group search for patent5159 and no matches were found.

spinner2 said:

I just did a yahoo group search for patent5159 and no matches were found.

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Ditto.

here is the groups url:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/patent5159

I just joined.

good luck

anyone know the difference between 4-Aminobenzoic Acid and p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt? cos 4-Aminobenzoic Acid is half the price...

EVO said:

anyone know the difference between 4-Aminobenzoic Acid and p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt? cos 4-Aminobenzoic Acid is half the price...

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What you want is the latter... Aminobenzoate is used in many different applications. For example, glyceryl p-aminobenzoate is used as a pesticide. Stick to potassium p-aminobenzoate...

Vaseline_Knight said:

well the only instant gain you get from surgery is a '3/8th of an inch boost'. the rest of the gains are made from hanging weights and wearing ADS's for at least 8 hours a day.

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That's probably true for length but an inch of girth can be had almost instantly with surgury. You can also get a second girth augmentation six months after so you can realistically gain 2" of girth in a 6-7 month window from surgury.

some doctors are using new techniques now where instead of injecting fat, they cut it to size and wrap it around the penis (this reduces absorbtion by the body)

EVO said:

some doctors are using new techniques now where instead of injecting fat, they cut it to size and wrap it around the penis (this reduces absorbtion by the body)

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I am not sure if you are talking about Dermal grafts or not. If so there are a few horror stories on the yahoo surgical site and on �other PE site� regarding bad scarring from the donor site and re-absorption issues.

sikdogg said:

That's probably true for length but an inch of girth can be had almost instantly with surgury. You can also get a second girth augmentation six months after so you can realistically gain 2" of girth in a 6-7 month window from surgury.

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yes this is true;
The others beat me to it about horror stories and side effects of girth augmentation surgery.

My concern about the potaba is what other tissues is it going to weaken in the body besides the tunica an ligs? I don't think I would take it long term.

Using Potaba in combination with Hanging to weaken the ligs and an ads after will work a little better..... maybee

Anybody with Peyronie’s disease using potaba and hanging too here ?

chance said:

My concern about the potaba is what other tissues is it going to weaken in the body besides the tunica an ligs? I don't think I would take it long term.

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This is my concern also. I wonder if 8 weeks on 4 g a day would be ok.
Not sure of a way round this problem.

bluenun said:

I am not sure if you are talking about Dermal grafts or not. If so there are a few horror stories on the yahoo surgical site and on �other PE site� regarding bad scarring from the donor site and re-absorption issues.

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If i did go the surgury route... i would opt for alloderm to eliminate the scarring issue. From what i've read, alloderm doesn't get re-absorbed.

bluenun said:

This is my concern also. I wonder if 8 weeks on 4 g a day would be ok.
Not sure of a way round this problem.

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I am also interested to know what p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt is sold and used for besides chemical Penis Enlargement

chance said:

My concern about the potaba is what other tissues is it going to weaken in the body besides the tunica an ligs? I don't think I would take it long term.

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If that's a concern for you maybe you can cycle it 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off. Since it's not a requirement, you can still make gains without it. According to the patent, other potentiators can be used such as DHT. Patients 5, 6 8, and 10 used androgens in lieu of Potaba as a potentiator with good results.