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so you guys are willing to do intercavernosal injections every day for 6 months for an extra inch?
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so you guys are willing to do intercavernosal injections every day for 6 months for an extra inch?
This is going to be a very interesting ride for all of us and I am using every connection I can find to obtain more informtaion and confirm the legitimacy of what we have here. So far, it looks in the eyes of one MD I know and one more Urologist I know like it well might work.
I strongly advocate that each of you take the time and print out the 20 pages on the USPO site and study this in detail.
I personally "did the math" on this thing and if you break it down it gets a great deal more interesting, a wee bit scary and in some ways it becomes far more simple.
There is a great deal to break down in these pages. The patient figures are a good starting place so I will share that with you. I also suggest that each person purchase a cheap seamstress type of flexible measuring tape because then you can visualize the numbers.
Patient #1 Is a 41 year old male who did an initial course of treatment on the program that lasted for 18 months. Though he initially looks great his growth rate calculates out to .1555555 inches per month. This is the second worst growth rate in the entire study. In 18 months he went from 5.8 inches in length to 8.6 inches. His girth increase was 2.1 inches taking him from 3.7 to 5.8. A penis that under erection is only 3.7 inches in girth is indeed a very small penis with regards to girth.
This patient was off the protocol for over two years. He then goes back on the protocol with a few slight tweaks and in 10 weeks (2 1/2 months) gains an additional ".4-.5" inches. That growth rate computes out better at .20 or 1/5 inch per month.
If patient number one had extablished the higher growth rate from the beginning and had stayed stayed on the protocol for 24 months and assuming that we had no "plateauing" he would have at the end of 24 months reached 10.6 inches in length with corresponding girth increases.
Patient #2 In all normal theories patient #2 should do better because of his younger age (30 years). Patient number two in fact had the hightest growth rate of all at .35 inches per month. He was on the protocol for only 6 months and yet his gains were good. In six months he gained just under 2 inches in length. If we take his original numbers and run them on out assuming he would have maintained the growth rate what you have looks something like this. His starting length was 5.6 inches and increased to 7.7 in six months. Using that growth rate at the end of 12 months he would have reached 9.8 inches. If he had gone on as long as patient #1 and maintained the growth rate he would at the end of 18 months reached 11.9 inches and taken out to two years he would only have been able to find a sex partner in a zoo because he would have reached 14 inches in total length. His girth gains were incredible as well. At one year girth projections would have placed him at 7.4, 18 months would have been 9.5 and at the end of 24 months his girth would have reached 11.6 inches. To illustrate how truly monsterous that this would be lets take some common things that you have lying around and give an illustration. The average 12oz can of soda pop is 8 3/8 inches in girth. Two aluminum soda pop cans stacked one on top of the other reach 10 3/4 inches in height. If we stacked 3 soda pop cans on top of each other we have 14 1/2 inches. A penis in fact reaching these dimensions would sound great in a fantasy but the reality would be more of a problem than an asset. The other thing is that nobody knows how much blood and pressure it is going to take to get something like that to erect! The weight alone at that girth would be a problem and underwear or clothing would present quite a challenge!
Patient #3, a 52 year old male achieved a growth rate of .1857142 inch per month. This was a better growth rate than Patient number one achieved and the duration of this treatment was seven months. Considering that Patient #1 was eleven years younger at time of treatment this begins to give an indicator that maybe age is not a factor at least by this data. In the seven month treatment period he gained 1.3 inches going from 5 to 6.3 inches in length. Again projections assuming the same growth rate could be maintained would be 7.22 in length at one year, 8,34 in length at 18 months and 9.45 inches at two years.
Patient #4 a 34 year old male achieved a growth rate of .22 per month which is just short of 1/4 inch. His total duration of treatment was a very short four (4) months and in that time he gained 1.1 inches in length. Again doing projections on that data one year would have had him at 8.64 inches at one year, 9.96 at 18 months and 11.28 at two years.
Patient 5 and 6 had identical data and measurements. This is unusual, but would be the case of we had twin brothers or some such thing in testing. Though the protocols were not exactly identical the results were. The age of both of these men were the same at 44. These two men achieved the second highest growth rate in the sample which was .325 inches per month. The higher growth rate in two men of this age again points to age being less of a factor than many would think. The men doing this testing had to get who they could get to do this to generate the data. Both men went from a length of 5.2 to 6.5 inches in length which was a gain of 1.3 inches in the 4 months they were under treatment. The projections were pretty amazing too! At one year this growth rate at their beginning point would have had them at 7.15 inches at 6 months, 9.1 inches at 12, 11.05 at 18 and finally a whopping 13 inches at two years.
Patient #7 was an incredible example of age not being a factor. He was a 72 year old man and in the program for only 3 months. In that short 3 month duration he achieved a length increase of .20 per month for a total of .6 inch. The fact that we had improvement in a 72 year old at all was more than amazing. Both Patient #1 and #8 had slower growth rates. This is an indicator that even a person well into their "golden years" could have benefit from this.
Patient #8 was 47 years old and stayed in the program for 6 months where he achieved the slowest growth rate of all at .1333333 per month. He still in that time grew 8 tenths or just over 3/4 inch in that 6 months period.
Patient #9 at age 52 achieved a growth rate of .233333 per month and participated for four months.
Patient #10 in all theories should have had the best result based on being the youngest at age 27. This was not the case with a growth rate of .26 three patients had higher growth rates at older ages.
As time permits I will continue to break down more of this data in hopes that we can really find something meaningful here.
I have a second posting with some different related information, but I do not want to place that information here.
Best,
Fuzzy Ken
I strongly advocate that each of you take the time and print out the 20 pages on the USPO site and study this in detail.
I personally "did the math" on this thing and if you break it down it gets a great deal more interesting, a wee bit scary and in some ways it becomes far more simple.
There is a great deal to break down in these pages. The patient figures are a good starting place so I will share that with you. I also suggest that each person purchase a cheap seamstress type of flexible measuring tape because then you can visualize the numbers.
Patient #1 Is a 41 year old male who did an initial course of treatment on the program that lasted for 18 months. Though he initially looks great his growth rate calculates out to .1555555 inches per month. This is the second worst growth rate in the entire study. In 18 months he went from 5.8 inches in length to 8.6 inches. His girth increase was 2.1 inches taking him from 3.7 to 5.8. A penis that under erection is only 3.7 inches in girth is indeed a very small penis with regards to girth.
This patient was off the protocol for over two years. He then goes back on the protocol with a few slight tweaks and in 10 weeks (2 1/2 months) gains an additional ".4-.5" inches. That growth rate computes out better at .20 or 1/5 inch per month.
If patient number one had extablished the higher growth rate from the beginning and had stayed stayed on the protocol for 24 months and assuming that we had no "plateauing" he would have at the end of 24 months reached 10.6 inches in length with corresponding girth increases.
Patient #2 In all normal theories patient #2 should do better because of his younger age (30 years). Patient number two in fact had the hightest growth rate of all at .35 inches per month. He was on the protocol for only 6 months and yet his gains were good. In six months he gained just under 2 inches in length. If we take his original numbers and run them on out assuming he would have maintained the growth rate what you have looks something like this. His starting length was 5.6 inches and increased to 7.7 in six months. Using that growth rate at the end of 12 months he would have reached 9.8 inches. If he had gone on as long as patient #1 and maintained the growth rate he would at the end of 18 months reached 11.9 inches and taken out to two years he would only have been able to find a sex partner in a zoo because he would have reached 14 inches in total length. His girth gains were incredible as well. At one year girth projections would have placed him at 7.4, 18 months would have been 9.5 and at the end of 24 months his girth would have reached 11.6 inches. To illustrate how truly monsterous that this would be lets take some common things that you have lying around and give an illustration. The average 12oz can of soda pop is 8 3/8 inches in girth. Two aluminum soda pop cans stacked one on top of the other reach 10 3/4 inches in height. If we stacked 3 soda pop cans on top of each other we have 14 1/2 inches. A penis in fact reaching these dimensions would sound great in a fantasy but the reality would be more of a problem than an asset. The other thing is that nobody knows how much blood and pressure it is going to take to get something like that to erect! The weight alone at that girth would be a problem and underwear or clothing would present quite a challenge!
Patient #3, a 52 year old male achieved a growth rate of .1857142 inch per month. This was a better growth rate than Patient number one achieved and the duration of this treatment was seven months. Considering that Patient #1 was eleven years younger at time of treatment this begins to give an indicator that maybe age is not a factor at least by this data. In the seven month treatment period he gained 1.3 inches going from 5 to 6.3 inches in length. Again projections assuming the same growth rate could be maintained would be 7.22 in length at one year, 8,34 in length at 18 months and 9.45 inches at two years.
Patient #4 a 34 year old male achieved a growth rate of .22 per month which is just short of 1/4 inch. His total duration of treatment was a very short four (4) months and in that time he gained 1.1 inches in length. Again doing projections on that data one year would have had him at 8.64 inches at one year, 9.96 at 18 months and 11.28 at two years.
Patient 5 and 6 had identical data and measurements. This is unusual, but would be the case of we had twin brothers or some such thing in testing. Though the protocols were not exactly identical the results were. The age of both of these men were the same at 44. These two men achieved the second highest growth rate in the sample which was .325 inches per month. The higher growth rate in two men of this age again points to age being less of a factor than many would think. The men doing this testing had to get who they could get to do this to generate the data. Both men went from a length of 5.2 to 6.5 inches in length which was a gain of 1.3 inches in the 4 months they were under treatment. The projections were pretty amazing too! At one year this growth rate at their beginning point would have had them at 7.15 inches at 6 months, 9.1 inches at 12, 11.05 at 18 and finally a whopping 13 inches at two years.
Patient #7 was an incredible example of age not being a factor. He was a 72 year old man and in the program for only 3 months. In that short 3 month duration he achieved a length increase of .20 per month for a total of .6 inch. The fact that we had improvement in a 72 year old at all was more than amazing. Both Patient #1 and #8 had slower growth rates. This is an indicator that even a person well into their "golden years" could have benefit from this.
Patient #8 was 47 years old and stayed in the program for 6 months where he achieved the slowest growth rate of all at .1333333 per month. He still in that time grew 8 tenths or just over 3/4 inch in that 6 months period.
Patient #9 at age 52 achieved a growth rate of .233333 per month and participated for four months.
Patient #10 in all theories should have had the best result based on being the youngest at age 27. This was not the case with a growth rate of .26 three patients had higher growth rates at older ages.
As time permits I will continue to break down more of this data in hopes that we can really find something meaningful here.
I have a second posting with some different related information, but I do not want to place that information here.
Best,
Fuzzy Ken
The one thing that this protocol will NOT be is cheap. The main active drugs are not the big problems. The erection inducing agents by comparison are relatively inexpensive especially when compared with orals such as Cialis, Levitra or Viagra. Also the other main active drug would be the oral Potaba. There is some question regarding the absolute necessity of the others.
The heaviest costs in this are going to be in the purchase of the drug pump, the catheter it needs to get the drug to the right location, and the implantation of that catheter via surgery. Right off you have about $6,500 for the pump, probably about $30 for the tiny catheter and then the variables of the surgical implantation to facilitate drug delivery. That is as yet an unknown, but one MD and friend said it would need a little more study, but he did not see that as a real major project and felt with a wild guess that it should be able to be done in about 30 minutes.
One thing that needs to be impressed here is that we are on totally new ground. This is still a time of information gathering and exploration as to what the facts and real practicality of this are. The pump cost is a known because of direct information, the other dollar figures are preliminary estimates.
Gentlemen there is no book! WE ARE THE ONES WRITING THE BOOK!
Having dealt with a drug pump in my past for a relative receiving pain medication with terminal cancer AND with a second friend who uses a pump for diabetes management I already know something about them.
The drug pump might actually make this almost fun........
My friend the diabetic is doing a major mailing to me via snail mail about the operation of this pump in detail. I already know with little doubt that this would be the ideal method of delivery for the erectile agents. We change and greatly improve the whole equation of this and if you read closely there are a few references to the use of a drug pump in the patent filings.
Until I have all the data in my hands I do not want to say more than what I am certain of or have paperwork to give me complete understanding of as facts.
Let's hope that we can get this to go where we want it to!
Best,
Fuzzy Ken
The heaviest costs in this are going to be in the purchase of the drug pump, the catheter it needs to get the drug to the right location, and the implantation of that catheter via surgery. Right off you have about $6,500 for the pump, probably about $30 for the tiny catheter and then the variables of the surgical implantation to facilitate drug delivery. That is as yet an unknown, but one MD and friend said it would need a little more study, but he did not see that as a real major project and felt with a wild guess that it should be able to be done in about 30 minutes.
One thing that needs to be impressed here is that we are on totally new ground. This is still a time of information gathering and exploration as to what the facts and real practicality of this are. The pump cost is a known because of direct information, the other dollar figures are preliminary estimates.
Gentlemen there is no book! WE ARE THE ONES WRITING THE BOOK!
Having dealt with a drug pump in my past for a relative receiving pain medication with terminal cancer AND with a second friend who uses a pump for diabetes management I already know something about them.
The drug pump might actually make this almost fun........
My friend the diabetic is doing a major mailing to me via snail mail about the operation of this pump in detail. I already know with little doubt that this would be the ideal method of delivery for the erectile agents. We change and greatly improve the whole equation of this and if you read closely there are a few references to the use of a drug pump in the patent filings.
Until I have all the data in my hands I do not want to say more than what I am certain of or have paperwork to give me complete understanding of as facts.
Let's hope that we can get this to go where we want it to!
Best,
Fuzzy Ken
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Let me ask you... how long did it take for you to gain 1" of length and girth?? for me, it took a solid year of very diligent work pulling and squeezing. If i can get that same gain in a few months with no work on my part, them i'm all for it.Vaseline_Knight said:
For about $1,200 anyone can get a 6 month supply of an injectable vasodilator used for ED. Another couple of hundred dollars for oral potaba or dermal DHT as a potentiator. For less than $2,000 you can potentially increase your length and girth with virtually no physical effort on your part. How many of us guys have spent almost that much buying stretchers, hangers, and other Penis Enlargement related stuff??
As for the injections, i've done many cycles of AAS and had to inject myself. The needles use for IC injections are basically insulin needles which are virtually painless.
This process fits between manual Penis Enlargement and surgury in terms of cost to gains ratio.
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Personally, i think that using a drug pump is an unnecessary cost. Great results were achieved with IC injections. The convenience of using the pump doesn't justify it's cost in my opinion since you have to add the cost of implantation of the catherter to the $6,500 price tag. The total price is now reaching that of phalloplasty.FuzzyKen said:
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sikdogg said:
not to mention there is additional cost of taking it out. I would say that's around 20 G's for an inch of penis. I stick to NPenis Enlargement for now. Needless to say noone yet knows the side effects of this. I'd hate to end up on a show like 'The Perfect Penis' and tell people (while my face is blurred) that I lost my penis to some wacky Penis Enlargement idea and now instead of having a larger penis, i have an ingrown dick with tits popping out of my chest.
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Here's some info on Potaba...
Surprisingly, it is very in-expensive and can be purchases in bulk power form for roughly $70 per 500grams...
This drug seems to have alot of value with the patented process, but i speculate that it would be of great value to NPenis Enlargement as well... From what i've read, Potaba relaxes tissues including collagenous tissues (ligs and tunica). This is the value it adds to the patented process (as a potentiator), but there's no reason why it couldn't help when doing NPenis Enlargement work. I further speculate that gains from the patented process may be enhanced by adding manual stretching and/or an ADS during the months of treatment.
Surprisingly, it is very in-expensive and can be purchases in bulk power form for roughly $70 per 500grams...
This drug seems to have alot of value with the patented process, but i speculate that it would be of great value to NPenis Enlargement as well... From what i've read, Potaba relaxes tissues including collagenous tissues (ligs and tunica). This is the value it adds to the patented process (as a potentiator), but there's no reason why it couldn't help when doing NPenis Enlargement work. I further speculate that gains from the patented process may be enhanced by adding manual stretching and/or an ADS during the months of treatment.
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It's clearly not for everyone just like surgury... it does have science supporting it though, not to mention the 10 (or more) people that got good gains from it... This is far from a wacky Penis Enlargement idea though.Vaseline_Knight said:
If it's not for you, that's cool but don't overlook the potential value some of the drugs used may have on NPenis Enlargement. We have to look beyond the obvious...
Sikdogg, do you know why a Potentiator (such as Relaxin or Potaba) is necessary to use alongside the Vasodilator?
I am guessing it is because the Potentiator is supposed to relax the tissues allowing for more expansion of the penis.
In the Patent application it mentions use of a Vasodilator like Prostaglandin E1, Papaverine or Phentolamine.
I understand Prostaglandin E1 can give some guys an uncomfortable ache in the penis where the other 2 do not.
I was informed that there is already a product on the market with all 3 in called Trimix prescribed to men with ED.
But they are not told to use a Potentiator with it.
I wondered what it was the guy was trying to patent if there is already a vasodilator product on the market. But he advocates the use of a Potentiator.
As for methods of administration there was some talk or oral, sub lingual or topical cream/gel.
I expect the most efficient way though is to inject, needles scare me
I see there are auto injectors with very small needles that can be used for injecting Trimix into the CC. You can inject into the left and right side of the penis from base to mid penis so there is no need to inject into the same place twice.
So I don't expect the auto injector to be very expensive, you already mentioned that a Potentiator (protaba) can be bought relatively cheaply but I expect the Trimix will be harder to get hold of without a prescription.
I am guessing it is because the Potentiator is supposed to relax the tissues allowing for more expansion of the penis.
In the Patent application it mentions use of a Vasodilator like Prostaglandin E1, Papaverine or Phentolamine.
I understand Prostaglandin E1 can give some guys an uncomfortable ache in the penis where the other 2 do not.
I was informed that there is already a product on the market with all 3 in called Trimix prescribed to men with ED.
But they are not told to use a Potentiator with it.
I wondered what it was the guy was trying to patent if there is already a vasodilator product on the market. But he advocates the use of a Potentiator.
As for methods of administration there was some talk or oral, sub lingual or topical cream/gel.
I expect the most efficient way though is to inject, needles scare me
I see there are auto injectors with very small needles that can be used for injecting Trimix into the CC. You can inject into the left and right side of the penis from base to mid penis so there is no need to inject into the same place twice.
So I don't expect the auto injector to be very expensive, you already mentioned that a Potentiator (protaba) can be bought relatively cheaply but I expect the Trimix will be harder to get hold of without a prescription.
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This is what i believe also but it's not completely necessary... Patient #1 gained almost 3" in length and over 2" in girth. The document makes no mention of a potentiator. According to Fuzzyken's calculations, this person made the least gains on a per month basis but i speculate that gains may possibly decrease over time. All the other patients made greater gains on a per month basis but they were on the therapy for a much shorter period of time. Patient #1 did make better gains once therapy was started again so i further speculate that it may be best to run multiple shorter runs versus one long continuous run.bluenun said:
I read that about Prostaglandin E1. Trimix is now very common and can be had by anyone willing to pay for the prescription... ~$1,200 for 6 months.
Since the use of a potentiator is for penis enlargement and Trimix is generally for ED, it is understandable that a potentiator isn't used with Trimix when prescribed for ED.
He is trying to patent the process penis enlargement via extended erections thru the use of a vasodilator with or without the use of a potentiator.
The patent covers as much delivery methods as possible to minimize copycats...As for methods of administration there was some talk or oral, sub lingual or topical cream/gel.
I expect the most efficient way though is to inject, needles scare me
This is correct... it may actually be better to cut the dose in half and inject twice to ensure that your erections don't go above 90% for more than an hour or so. Long term erections can cause ischemia.
Trimix can be had by anyone willing to pay the examination fee + the prescription fee. Call you local Boston Medical Group and set-up an appointment if you're interested...
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This is what i believe also but it's not completely necessary... Patient #1 gained almost 3" in length and over 2" in girth. The document makes no mention of a potentiator. According to Fuzzyken's calculations, this person made the least gains on a per month basis but i speculate that gains may possibly decrease over time. All the other patients made greater gains on a per month basis but they were on the therapy for a much shorter period of time. Patient #1 did make better gains once therapy was started again so i further speculate that it may be best to run multiple shorter runs versus one long continuous run.bluenun said:
I read that about Prostaglandin E1. Trimix is now very common and can be had by anyone willing to pay for the prescription... ~$1,200 for 6 months.
Since the use of a potentiator is for penis enlargement and Trimix is generally for ED, it is understandable that a potentiator isn't used with Trimix when prescribed for ED.
He is trying to patent the process penis enlargement via extended erections thru the use of a vasodilator with or without the use of a potentiator.
The patent covers as much delivery methods as possible to minimize copycats...As for methods of administration there was some talk or oral, sub lingual or topical cream/gel.
I expect the most efficient way though is to inject, needles scare me
This is correct... it may actually be better to cut the dose in half and inject twice to ensure that your erections don't go above 90% for more than an hour or so. Long term erections can cause ischemia.
Trimix can be had by anyone willing to pay the examination fee + the prescription fee. Call you local Boston Medical Group and set-up an appointment if you're interested...
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sikdogg said:
Now doesn't THAT just torque your jaws.
I'm fairly certain we could all stop at that right there. we won't need a Vasodialator. We can just clamp and edge for an hour in its stead. of course it may not have as long a duration as a 2-3 hour long erection (which could cause problems). But I'm fairly certain the degree of pressure achieved by a clamp is far higher than that of an errection.
So sikdogg, I live in Canada, do you know where and how I can get a hold of this Potaba?
Also, I'm a bodybuilder and a heavy weight lifter. do you think being on this (which relaxes ligs) would make me more prone to injury?
Trimix can be had by anyone willing to pay the examination fee + the prescription fee. Call you local Boston Medical Group and set-up an appointment if you're interested...[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reply sikdogg, I am in the UK so an examination by Boston medical group is out of the question as I am not visiting the USA in the near future. There is no way my GP would prescribe this for me
If I could get hold of it I think a 2 or 3 month trial would be good so if I could get 1 or 2 other Uk guys interested we could split the cost.
I think the desired level of erection would be between 60% and 90%. 3 to 5 hours total duration even as you say it is done with 2 injections.
Preppies is something to be avoided as it would take me about an hour to get to my nearest hospital, risk of gangrene, and it would be an embarrassing situation too.
"Also, I'm a bodybuilder and a heavy weight lifter. do you think being on this (which relaxes ligs) would make me more prone to injury?"
Good question vaseline, I was wondering that myself last night.
If it was injected into the penis then it would not be a problem but if taken orally this would be a concern of mine.
Thanks for the reply sikdogg, I am in the UK so an examination by Boston medical group is out of the question as I am not visiting the USA in the near future. There is no way my GP would prescribe this for me
If I could get hold of it I think a 2 or 3 month trial would be good so if I could get 1 or 2 other Uk guys interested we could split the cost.
I think the desired level of erection would be between 60% and 90%. 3 to 5 hours total duration even as you say it is done with 2 injections.
Preppies is something to be avoided as it would take me about an hour to get to my nearest hospital, risk of gangrene, and it would be an embarrassing situation too.
"Also, I'm a bodybuilder and a heavy weight lifter. do you think being on this (which relaxes ligs) would make me more prone to injury?"
Good question vaseline, I was wondering that myself last night.
If it was injected into the penis then it would not be a problem but if taken orally this would be a concern of mine.
Preppies above should have read Priapism, the spell check did not recognise Priapism and I accidentally clicked preppies
I think the desired level of erection would be between 60% and 90%. 3 to 5 hours total duration even as you say it is done with 2 injections.
Priapism is something to be avoided as it would take me about an hour to get to my nearest hospital, risk of gangrene, and it would be an embarrassing situation too.
Adding this,
"[0019] The engorgement of the invention is typically for a "cumulative prolonged" period, as described further below. The engorgement period is thus usually at least 3 hours, but may be 31/2 hours, 4 hours, 41/2 hours, 5 hours, 51/2 hours, even up to 6 hours, but heavy engorgement of a penis, say 40% or more, is usually avoided for extended periods of time, i.e., of more than 6 hours. The erectile response may, thus, be of the 3-6 hours engorgement resulting from a single administration per 24 hours or as a result of a plurality of administrations in this 24 hours period."
So I wonder if it the cumulative time could be broken up into a morning and evening session of 2 to 3 hours each session.
I think the desired level of erection would be between 60% and 90%. 3 to 5 hours total duration even as you say it is done with 2 injections.
Priapism is something to be avoided as it would take me about an hour to get to my nearest hospital, risk of gangrene, and it would be an embarrassing situation too.
Adding this,
"[0019] The engorgement of the invention is typically for a "cumulative prolonged" period, as described further below. The engorgement period is thus usually at least 3 hours, but may be 31/2 hours, 4 hours, 41/2 hours, 5 hours, 51/2 hours, even up to 6 hours, but heavy engorgement of a penis, say 40% or more, is usually avoided for extended periods of time, i.e., of more than 6 hours. The erectile response may, thus, be of the 3-6 hours engorgement resulting from a single administration per 24 hours or as a result of a plurality of administrations in this 24 hours period."
So I wonder if it the cumulative time could be broken up into a morning and evening session of 2 to 3 hours each session.
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Hmm, I'm not sure if sports and weight training is considered 'usual activity'?
Let's get our heads together on this one.
It might be possible that 'big gainers' have something in their diet that makes them gain easier! Maybe this is it! after all it's a naturally occuring substance and a member of the B-complex Vitamins!
Here are my sources!
http://www.glenwood-llc.com/potaba.html
http://www.drugs.com/PDR/Potaba_Powder.html
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