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millionman;281997 said:
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For the past 3 weeks or so I've been my stretching program has been very similar to what Millionman is describing. I'm just pulling straight out until I feel tight near the base and just past that point. I haven't measured (will measure on nov 7) but flaccid hang had definetely improved. Hows your progress coming along millionman?? Anyone else?
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I'm doing really well. It seemed as though I had stalled out recently but I measured yesterday and I have gained a pretty fair amount over the last 2-3 weeks. I'm sitting at an average of 1/8 of inch per month, which means I'm ever closer to 8.75" FSL. I'm still stretching pretty regularly throughout the day, but I've noticed that when I have a "lig pop" that I measure about an 1/8 of an inch more instantly. I can say that this revelation is why I'm not 100% sure that it's the ligament at the base of the penis popping, but I feel like it could be scar tissue or at the very least tissue that is so tight that it has to be broken loose. It's pretty strange how these occur as I have to be sitting and usually just out of the shower. I usually take a very solid grip and pull down gradually and tighten as I extend toward the floor. I usually pull out at an angle from the pubic bone and then slightly downward, and it will give on either the left or right side of the pubic bone. It's a very strange phenomenon and I can't really seem to find a reason that it happens.
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Recently I've been experimenting with jelqing 2-3 nights a week, usually 1-2 days apart, and I've really seen some improvements in my FSL since this addition. I've also noticed an increase in frequency of the "lig pops" that usually accompany an increase in FSL. I'm measuring a bit more than 8.6" in FSL and coming ever closer to the 8.75" mark on the ruler. I'm not really sure how all of this is coming together so perfectly but I am still gaining consistently. I'm trying to workout how all of this fits together, as I'd like to synthesize a hypothesis to hopefully explain this but it will take some time.
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millionman;284613 said:
I have recently tried doing girth work everyday, and my penis just can't handle it. I think I'm truly a one-on-one-off type of guy. I also gain the fastest doing a routine similar to yours. Keep up the good work. You're a great example that you don't need to beat up your dick in order to make gains.
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millionman;284613 said:
According to this theory I can see how less would be more when it comes to the intensity of stretching, but not when it comes to the amount of time. I also never understood why someone would need stretch rest days, cause I always thought that the best thing for length (as opposed to girth) is to never let it fully heal.
So what about your approach when it comes to intensity, but with 3 times 1 hour sessions a day?
So what about your approach when it comes to intensity, but with 3 times 1 hour sessions a day?
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10inchadvantage, Everyday girth work is definitely counterproductive. I've found that even sporadic, once every 2-3 days, with jelqing leads to an increase in girth. I think that one of the things that gets overlooked is how we're attempting to increase blood flow INTO the penis. Most men only consider that we're trying to "enlarge" the penis by going for maximum expansion. I've found that by working to promote an increased blood flow that my penis is starting to gain in thickness without having to really worry about "maximum expansion".
Goingfor, I think I'll pass on joining the group, although I do appreciate the invite.
Saldag, I'd say that this method still fits into the idea of "never letting it heal" because you never work to the point where you've injured the tissue. The idea that this whole thread is anchored on is to stretch ONLY to the point where new growth can occur. That means that once you have reached this point there's no reason to continue, because past the point of new growth is injury. There is a considerable amount of work that you can do, but it's not really necessary because it's not going to cause you to gain anymore quickly either way. The only thing that can happen with too much work is slowed progress and even NO progress.
Keep things simple. I always work with the thought that if there's a stretch feeling at the base of the shaft then I'm ok to stretch for a bit. If there's little to no stretch feeling then I know that there's no need for a ton of stretching because my body has not yet gotten back to 100% yet. The whole idea is to do enough work to grow so that your progress is continual and nearly guaranteed for the LONG TERM. Take it one day at a time and listen to what your body is or is not telling you and move forward from there.
Goingfor, I think I'll pass on joining the group, although I do appreciate the invite.
Saldag, I'd say that this method still fits into the idea of "never letting it heal" because you never work to the point where you've injured the tissue. The idea that this whole thread is anchored on is to stretch ONLY to the point where new growth can occur. That means that once you have reached this point there's no reason to continue, because past the point of new growth is injury. There is a considerable amount of work that you can do, but it's not really necessary because it's not going to cause you to gain anymore quickly either way. The only thing that can happen with too much work is slowed progress and even NO progress.
Keep things simple. I always work with the thought that if there's a stretch feeling at the base of the shaft then I'm ok to stretch for a bit. If there's little to no stretch feeling then I know that there's no need for a ton of stretching because my body has not yet gotten back to 100% yet. The whole idea is to do enough work to grow so that your progress is continual and nearly guaranteed for the LONG TERM. Take it one day at a time and listen to what your body is or is not telling you and move forward from there.
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millionman;284833 said:
Im not fully understanding the routine you are doing here.. Do you actually do a full stretch routine a few times a day? Like stretch up, down, left, right etc. like in the newb stretch routine then do a measured stretch? Or are you just stretching directly out?
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millionman;284833 said:
Hell yeah dude I'm applying this to girth now since it's working so well for length. If I could get an accurate bpfsl I'd be able to show what looks to be 8.75" or more at times in my stretches now. It used to be about 8.4" a few months ago but has really taken off. I also rarely see my flaccid below 5.5" nbp and when I often measure after running I'm right around 6" nbp truly flaccid. I'll see if I can get a friends' digital camera to take a picture. Also, I feel reaching 9" bpfsl in the next few months is a definite possibility. I'm loving the results I'm getting. I've recently added an hour or two of wearing my ADS in different positions to supplement my, at most, 30 minutes of stretching a day. I'm liking the results I'm seeing.
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Well, it seems that fossiltom decided that he would like all of his contributions to MOS removed. I'm not sure why, but there no longer here on the forums. He was one of the catalysts that helped me to rethink my stance on how to grow a bigger penis. The other thing that really started me thinking was how the body heals itself and the varying degrees of stress and the reaction to a particular stress.
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millionman;285013 said:
Millionman, I sent you a message I guess you didn't get it.. I am just curious about a couple of things here. Are you doing full stretch routines various times throughout the day? say 5/10 minute newbie stretch a few times throughout the day? I am just starting out would this be sufficient?
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Munson;285030 said:
I've answered that question several times already within this thread. I work at all sorts of angles, and I don't really do a "routine". I really just stretch to the maximum length, given all of the indicators that I've covered in this thread, and when I feel sufficiently stretched I stop. Usually it takes no more than 15 minutes on my tightest of days to get loose, and usually 2-3 minutes on really loose days.
Today for example I stretched for about 10 minutes SD, at a 45 degree angle to the pubic bone (which is one of my favorite angles), SO, and a bit of SU working to reach beyond my belly button. It's pretty simple, efficient, and it works really well for me. I like to keep things very very simple.
I would go with a basic approach to all of your stretches. The key to this whole approach is understanding how YOUR penis responds to the amount of stress you're placing on it.
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Well, I've had another "growth spurt". I'm not sure how much as I'm not going to measure for a long while. It is interesting to me how things are ebbing and flowing so fluidly now. I actually predicted my own "growth spurt" because of how my penis felt. Basically it seems that, in my case, my FSL will shrink and become very tough to stretch and then over the course of 2-3 days things will loosen and I'm a bit larger in the erect state. It's strange to have these "bad stretching days" and then on the other side of it your erect state is larger. I've talked about the depression and elongation of the tissues and as I'm getting more and more accustomed to these cycles it's becoming more clear each time that before you will experience an EL gain the FSL size HAS to shrink. The body is only preparing for the changes it is having to make so there is some compensation in the opposite state. This has been a great adventure so far and I'm really excited about where this is taking me.
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I haven't been gaining shit to be honest.
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10inch, Sorry to hear that. What have you been doing lately?
I have to say that I've noticed my gains have slowed a bit, but I'm still moving up the ladder. It might be time to completely take off, but then again I measure my EL and I'm up about an 1/8 of an inch since last time. My FSL hasn't moved very much but it seems that my conversion rate from FSL to EL is really SLOWWWWW. I've noticed that when my FSL is gaining my erection quality seems to lack but then when my FSL seems to have stalled my erection quality is great and I'm usually diamond cutter hard.
I haven't been doing any jelqing lately and that could be another reason for the slower conversion. I am contemplating this as well as getting back into using my extender. I took a long time off from using the extender because I wanted to see how I could gain with using just my hands for shorter durations and with less total time spent during the week. It's worked fairly well, and measuring closer and closer to 9" has helped me continue in this manner but now I think I'm up for a bit of change. I'm going to stick with the progressive method but I'm going to more than likely throw in an hour or two a week in the extender.
I have to say that I've noticed my gains have slowed a bit, but I'm still moving up the ladder. It might be time to completely take off, but then again I measure my EL and I'm up about an 1/8 of an inch since last time. My FSL hasn't moved very much but it seems that my conversion rate from FSL to EL is really SLOWWWWW. I've noticed that when my FSL is gaining my erection quality seems to lack but then when my FSL seems to have stalled my erection quality is great and I'm usually diamond cutter hard.
I haven't been doing any jelqing lately and that could be another reason for the slower conversion. I am contemplating this as well as getting back into using my extender. I took a long time off from using the extender because I wanted to see how I could gain with using just my hands for shorter durations and with less total time spent during the week. It's worked fairly well, and measuring closer and closer to 9" has helped me continue in this manner but now I think I'm up for a bit of change. I'm going to stick with the progressive method but I'm going to more than likely throw in an hour or two a week in the extender.
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millionman;291187 said:
Sounds similar to my body's own responses. I have gained in bpfsl, I've seen days where it's over 8.8 bpfsl. However, when I started my erection standing bone pressed was 8.25" long. Recently I've been getting measurements from 8 to 8.2" long. I have noticed this decline in erect length for the past two months, even though bpfsl appears to be getting longer. Maybe it's the cold weather (of which we only get about 2-3 months max)? Ever since starting progressive stretching I have not gained .1" in erect length, only in stretched length, which is nice, but I want the erect length.
I am considering going back to hanging with the BIB and my vacuum hanger no more than an hour a day. Hanging, at the least, provided good erect length gains which progressive stretching has not. I'm not sure why, but I know what works for my body. Bpfsl is useless if you're not gaining in bpel.
