Progressive Stretching

This is a thread that I'm going to start in hopes of stimulating conversation.

I've been thinking of something that a member said a long time ago, and that was to stretch the penis each and everyday in a way that will ensure consistent growth. Pull on it everyday to the point where it is just a bit longer than it was the day before, and no more. He posted about his great length gains and came here looking for ways to improve his girth measurements. At the time, if I remember correctly, he had gained more than 3 inches in length and said he never spent more than 30-45 minutes stretching SO everyday.

Now, I've taken this a step further and stretch at every opportunity. I stretch at the urinal, getting dressed, or using the vac-extender for about an hour or so, which I don't do everyday. My concept is similar to the above as I think that working harder is not necessary as the tissues become less pliant and begin to harden, and that's when the "intensity" has to increase to break the bonds of the collagenous matrix of the tunica. Anyway, the essential part of it is to stretch a bit further, or try to, than your current FSL. Now this isn't going to be a quarter of an inch per day, and it's not necessary to pull as hard as possible. The idea is to grow a little bit each and every day, and that could be 1-2 cm per day or heck even 1 mm per day is growth. Over time the concept is to work more frequently and with a lower intensity to keep the tissues from hardening.

I'm really interested in generating some discussion on this topic. My experience so far with this has been very positive, because not only am I making progress but mentally I don't have the pressure of "getting the work in". Everything seems to be moving in a positive direction even with infrequent sessions with the extender. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to hear what others will have to say, so feel free to contribute any and all ideas/thoughts.

motlisoff's ideas have influenced my current hanging technique. The reason I started taking BPFSL measurements between every set, and the reason that I hang solely SO is due to his thread.

I don't but it. I say stretch the shit out your dick itll grow.

Ithiel, Is there any particular reason you don't "buy it"?

I've been around for a long time, and in my personal experience the harder the pull does not equal greater gains. In fact when I was hanging I can say that my size only increased .25" in EL in nearly a year of hanging, and I worked up to significant poundages in an attempt to make faster progress. My gains stalled for more than 2 years until recently. I have evaluated the process and have gone through several different templates to see which one will cause the most consistent growth. I've found that by doing a little something everyday that I'm making solid and extremely consistent progress. This is not just a "me" thing because it fits with the repair mechanisms in everyone's physiology and it can very easily apply to more than 90% of all men that are involved with Penis Enlargement.

I'm not looking for agreement on this, but I'm hoping to really stimulate the flow of ideas among the members here at MOS. No one seems to really think about the physiological processes involved with their penis, but seem to follow along with what everyone else does or says. I'm attempting to think in terms of what will really work for each and every guy, irregardless of time available. Something that will yield consistent results over the entire life span of a man's Penis Enlargement career. Imagine having fewer injuries, healthier erections, feeling better about your penis, and above all else not dreading the next Penis Enlargement session. Maybe it's just me but I like approaching something from a different perspective.

I think your current approach makes sense. It takes the self-induced pressure off your routine. Otherwise, it becomes a "chore." I approach P.E. pretty much the same way. I figure that the small temporary increments I make will eventually translate into permanent gains.

But what if they don't? What if they remain unchanged and I remain on this same plateau for the foreseeable future? I say, who cares? Pulling on my dick is a form of self-affirmation. It's definitely not shrinking as, according to the "experts," mens' my age are supposed to do. So I say the rest is a piece of cake.

You confused me, however, with your two posts. Are you arguing that one should pull it as hard as one can as often as one can?

Here's my experience. If my dick is turtling, as it is bound to do, I cut back. When it's somewhat engorged, I go with the flow, and yank it good and hard.

I have actually included some light stretches throughout the day (mostly after I pee). I repeat them like five-six times a day, and it is just a 5 sec version of each stretch in the newbie routine except the BTC. Do you think it is a good idea?

I did this type of stretching as well a couple of months back. I only did 2 - 30 second stretches each time I went to the bathroom and other than that, I only did girth work.

These were basic stretches too. From the noobie routine.

Results were 1/8 inch in length growth in a month. I was a bitch on the glands though...so I had to cut back. Should try again sometime though...

millionman said:

Ithiel, Is there any particular reason you don't "buy it"?

I've been around for a long time, and in my personal experience the harder the pull does not equal greater gains. In fact when I was hanging I can say that my size only increased .25" in EL in nearly a year of hanging, and I worked up to significant poundages in an attempt to make faster progress. My gains stalled for more than 2 years until recently. I have evaluated the process and have gone through several different templates to see which one will cause the most consistent growth. I've found that by doing a little something everyday that I'm making solid and extremely consistent progress. This is not just a "me" thing because it fits with the repair mechanisms in everyone's physiology and it can very easily apply to more than 90% of all men that are involved with Penis Enlargement.

I'm not looking for agreement on this, but I'm hoping to really stimulate the flow of ideas among the members here at MOS. No one seems to really think about the physiological processes involved with their penis, but seem to follow along with what everyone else does or says. I'm attempting to think in terms of what will really work for each and every guy, irregardless of time available. Something that will yield consistent results over the entire life span of a man's Penis Enlargement career. Imagine having fewer injuries, healthier erections, feeling better about your penis, and above all else not dreading the next Penis Enlargement session. Maybe it's just me but I like approaching something from a different perspective.

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I agree with you entirely. The place of biology and physiology in Penis Enlargement has for too long been neglected. I suppose you read the cellular biology thread that I wrote?

This sounds like what I have been doing for about the last two months. I can only dedicate about one hour to hanging each day so I incorporated piss pulls into my routine. Usually 5 to 10 sets spread throughout the day. I originally incorporated these in order to retard the healing process (helping me to manage the fatigue during hanging). But, I am now seriously considering dropping the hanging altogether and just sticking to the piss pulls. I originally thought my growth was from hanging but now I am not sure. My thoughts now are that each time I stretch the tissues beyond their normal length it stimulates cellular division and growth. I believe that when we hit fatigue while hanging we are doing exactly that. Moreover, I achieve the same feelings of fatigue during my piss pulls (forcing me to reduce the tension) as I due during my hanging sessions. With the piss pulls I am achieving that stretch more times a day than I could ever achieve hanging.

Overall, I want Penis Enlargement to supplement my life and not consume it. Sitting around hanging weights off my dick several hours a day was starting to have a detrimental effect on my self esteem. These short intense bathroom sessions every few hours has allowed me to get out and enjoy life as well as grow my dick.

What kinds of gains have you received from the piss pulls/ hanging ?

I’ve seen about 1/8” per month. The first month I thought it might be just erection quality but when I measured another 1/8 inch the next month I had to believe I was in fact growing. Who knows what the next month may bring.

Hi!1. OK millionman,referring to that member who gained 3+ inches doing this progressive stretching,when you say that you have to pull the penis to the point of making it a bit longer than it was a day before and no more..what does this mean exactly?2.Is this 30-45 minutes a day of constant pulling cumulative or all together?Please respond.Thank you.

The idea behind the progressive stretch is to pull to the point where you can feel the tight spots, and you pull just beyond that. Think of the pulse 110 stretch DLD came up with a few years ago, as the idea is the same but you're not really attempting to pull as hard as humanly possible but you are attempting to pull just beyond the current maximum FSL. It's really quite easy to do and you can generally achieve this without the use of baby powder.

I'm seeing fairly rapid improvement in my FSL, as I'm now pulling my penis above my belly button. I've found that pulling on the penis when you're urinating to be a great way to incorporate the stretches, but I also will sit for a few minutes getting dressed or getting into bed and stretch downward for a bit and loosen up the ligaments and then I'll stretch upward past my belly button to see how I high I can pull it on my stomach.

The key to this idea is to pull with a moderate amount of force on a fairly frequent basis. We don't need want the body to think that an injury has occurred and harden the tissues to future damage. This principle allows for a high frequency of training while staying within the range of growth and regeneration without tipping the scales towards injury.

The other thing that I have to point out for a lot of guys is that I've been at Penis Enlargement for 4 years. For 2 of those years I was on a plateau because I believed that the harder I pulled the more I would grow. I have tried everything from hanging, to manuals, and now I'm seeing great progress with gradual tugs and the occasional 1-2 hours in the vac-extender. I broke through my plateau using a very moderate routine and using an ADS for 4-6 hours a day. Because of my schedule I had to try to come up with a more efficient use of my time. This idea came from my experience here but also with the physiological principles that govern growth and injury. I have found that working smarter is better than harder because I have worked so hard to have achieved what I have, but to be honest I had gotten a bit tired of always having to work harder and harder for a little gain, so I've tried a different approach and it's working very well.

Thanks for the feedback, Millionman. Have you tried the kegel when you stretch it above your belly button? When I'm really loose and pull it an inch or so above the belly button, I do three or four hard kegels and then measure it again. I can usually "bounce" it another inch higher. I'm not sure if this is what DLD calls the reverse kegel, but it sure adds to your flaccid stretch length.

It sounds good in theory but time will tell if the results keep coming in off such pulling regimens. My personal opinion is trying to take a bodybuilding philosophy with my Penis Enlargement. Shock through different methods with periods or great intensity and shorter sessions and then other periods of light to medium intensity with longer workout periods.

jqsderrida said:

I agree with you entirely. The place of biology and physiology in Penis Enlargement has for too long been neglected. I suppose you read the cellular biology thread that I wrote?

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Would you be so kind as to send me a link to your hanging routine? (If you have made a thread). I would like to give it a shot and see if it is right for me.

Penis Enlargement and bodybuilding bare no similarities at all. The penis has very little muscle and doesn't hypertrophy or atrophy. The issue is not whether or not the penis is "confused" or needs to "work harder" it's whether or not the body has undergone an injury or if it needs to grow a bit more tissue. The idea I present is not really whether or not it will work it's really an attempt to find the fine line between continual consistent growth and injury. If you can find the "sweet spot" as BIB called it where you just seem to grow and grow then you've made a huge accomplishment. My goal, after 4 years of being in Penis Enlargement, is to use a moderate approach towards my length work and pull consistently a little bit longer each and every time I pull on my penis. This, so far, has proven to be the way to go about it. I spend maybe 2-3 hours in my vac-extender and then the rest of the time I pull when I'm going to the bathroom, getting dressed, pretty much whenever I think about it. As of right now I'm right under 8.5" in FSL which is .25" than the last time I took a deconditioning break.

I think the mindset for so many men here is that more= faster gains, and that could be more reps, more weight (if hanging), more force (manuals), or more intense stretches. This does not fit with what our body does because the more more more mentality is going to lead to the over stressing the tissue, which means harder less pliable tissue, which then leads to more complicated routines, heavier weights, and the process continues to get worse and worse as gains become less and less. I'm coming from experience as I sat for two years hoping that I would some day wake up and have an 8" penis just because I had been working so hard. This is not a more is better process. This really should be an everyday pull just a little bit longer than the day before, but don't try to pull the damned thing off.

I'm very sincere in the fact that I've done every kind of fulcrum stretch, hanging, complex routines that took 2+ hours to complete, and I've even used the Power Assist and have not gained in equal amount to my efforts. I've grown very tired of wasting time, but I spent more than a few hours trying to understand why I haven't gotten out of this all that I had hoped for. The answer that I came up with is to be progressive, to work each and everyday to grow a little bit more penis. It's not going to happen all at once but it can happen in very small increments which WILL add up to greater EL. The goal in the end is to hit 8.5" EL and I feel like it is attainable at this point and that it won't be another 3-4 years before I see it. The science behind the injury process is irrefutable but the key is again learning how to manage that response. I know that as I go I will refine and possible develop some side hypothesis but who knows. This is going so well right now I can't even tell you guys how happy it makes me.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to apply any of this to girth work? I've never really looked into girth work and fatigue, and how the injury process could be manipulated. Things are much different physiologically when the penis is erect, so does anyone have any ideas about this?

I agree with you on the aspect of smarter versus harder. When i started Penis Enlargement again this year i got an injury from too much pressure from the basic stretches and pulling as hard as i could each time. Since then i lightened the stretch pressure and began a hanging routine. Since starting this my erection quality has increased as has my overall fatigue when my workouts for the day are finished. Overall I probably put in 1 to 1.5 hours of manual work and anywhere from 4-6 hours with the ads during the workday.

millionman said:

Ithiel, Is there any particular reason you don't "buy it"?

I've been around for a long time, and in my personal experience the harder the pull does not equal greater gains. In fact when I was hanging I can say that my size only increased .25" in EL in nearly a year of hanging, and I worked up to significant poundages in an attempt to make faster progress. My gains stalled for more than 2 years until recently. I have evaluated the process and have gone through several different templates to see which one will cause the most consistent growth. I've found that by doing a little something everyday that I'm making solid and extremely consistent progress. This is not just a "me" thing because it fits with the repair mechanisms in everyone's physiology and it can very easily apply to more than 90% of all men that are involved with Penis Enlargement.

I'm not looking for agreement on this, but I'm hoping to really stimulate the flow of ideas among the members here at MOS. No one seems to really think about the physiological processes involved with their penis, but seem to follow along with what everyone else does or says. I'm attempting to think in terms of what will really work for each and every guy, irregardless of time available. Something that will yield consistent results over the entire life span of a man's Penis Enlargement career. Imagine having fewer injuries, healthier erections, feeling better about your penis, and above all else not dreading the next Penis Enlargement session. Maybe it's just me but I like approaching something from a different perspective.

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I don't buy it cuz. I unknowingly started pe in 05'. I was doing stretches like light ones but not so light that the ligs and shit aint tight. Damn I did that for a while, I had no gains. Since starting intenser stretching I then only grew. It makes sense. Look at gainers. Usually they increase intensity to grow. Take a look at bib. DLD done more intense shit as he went along too. and of course yours truly. My theory aint correct, matter fact I aint got no theory. but every body grows. I don't give a fuck what someones excuse is , they grow. It's just some grow slower then others. If that mean a mm a year, by all means that what it mean. But the idea of progressive stretching aint really the way to go, I assume one WOULD eventually gain but slower. Shit, I aint one to theorize, I can't even write good. I can DO.

ithiel said:

I don't buy it cuz. I unknowingly started pe in 05'. I was doing stretches like light ones but not so light that the ligs and shit aint tight. Damn I did that for a while, I had no gains. Since starting intenser stretching I then only grew. It makes sense. Look at gainers. Usually they increase intensity to grow. Take a look at bib. DLD done more intense shit as he went along too. and of course yours truly. My theory aint correct, matter fact I aint got no theory. but every body grows. I don't give a fuck what someones excuse is , they grow. It's just some grow slower then others. If that mean a mm a year, by all means that what it mean. But the idea of progressive stretching aint really the way to go, I assume one WOULD eventually gain but slower. Shit, I aint one to theorize, I can't even write good. I can DO.

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I have to agree eveyone grows some fast some slow.