Progressive Stretching

millionman · Jan 16, 2008

10inch, Are you doing any supplemental jelqing or squeezes? I noticed that when I was experimenting with 300 jelqs every other night that it seemed to really help my EL along rather quickly. Flaccid stretched length has come a long way, but the EL is just now starting to really catch up. I've had measurement issues as well, and I'm not sure if it's the cold weather or if it's the conversion. I've noticed this particular problem throughout my Penis Enlargement career, but I've never really been clear on what exactly causes this issue.

10inchadvantage · Jan 16, 2008

millionman;291222 said:
10inch, Are you doing any supplemental jelqing or squeezes? I noticed that when I was experimenting with 300 jelqs every other night that it seemed to really help my EL along rather quickly. Flaccid stretched length has come a long way, but the EL is just now starting to really catch up. I've had measurement issues as well, and I'm not sure if it's the cold weather or if it's the conversion. I've noticed this particular problem throughout my Penis Enlargement career, but I've never really been clear on what exactly causes this issue.

My routine right now is as follows:

3 x 10 pumping at 2-5 hg
1-5 minutes jelqing after each pump session
2 x 10 clamping with 2 clicks in between pumping
stretching whenever I feel the need to

I'll try hanging a set for 20 minutes today I believe. I'll gauge based on my responses.

millionman · Jan 17, 2008

10inch, It might seem like you're not doing enough but I think you might be over doing it a bit. I've been working on girth work and trying to decide which method was going to give the highest rewards, and I got to thinking back to when I made my best girth gains. I came back to a period of time about 2, almost 3, years ago when I was doing manual girth exercises. I was using Uli squeezes and horse 440s and my girth went from a paltry 5.0" to 5.5" in a fairly short amount of time. I would usually warm up with a warm rag and move into 100-150 jelqs and then I'd squeeze until my hands got tired. This kept my sessions rather short and usually very productive. Vaselinknight posted his thoughts on girth training in another thread and discussed the collapsing of the tunica and venous systems within the penis and I think that's very accurate when the penis is under tremendous internal pressure for sustained periods of time. Personally I've found that multiple days in a row clamping always led to weakened erections and poor sessions. I had some success with pumping and jelqing but I ended up having a similar problem when I went to 4 sessions every day with clamping in between sessions.

I'm not concluding that high internal pressure is a negative thing, but I do believe prolonged exposure to high internal pressure will lead to a thickening of the tunica from the inside out and could severely hinder progress. I think that by using manual girth exercises you take the guess work out and your hands will limit the total amount of work you can do, and this is a good thing. I'm experimenting with a protocol of 100 jelqs and no more than 5 squeezes every day to see what my results are. My girth has fallen a bit since I haven't been doing anything for it, but I've gained nearly a whole inch in FSL and almost .75" in EL. I think it's been a fair trade off.

ozzy83 · Jan 17, 2008

Million,

To be honest, I must be really dense but I have a hard time determining how hard to stretch. The last few years I've been so accumstomed to streching as hard as possible that its become difficult for me to determine when i'm stretching "far enough" but not too far. I have gained roughly 1/8 but I dont' to if I can attribute that to progressive stretching since I have been hanging BTC as well.

I grasp the head between the thumb and forefinger and I gently strech it out. Once I have stretched it out to the maximum it will go, any further attempt to get it past that marginal stretch is accompanied by a very tight feeling in the base area. No matter how hard I pull its very hard to go "beyond" that. I guess i've got a really strong tunica. Any advice? thanks as always.

10inchadvantage · Jan 17, 2008

millionman;291352 said:
10inch, It might seem like you're not doing enough but I think you might be over doing it a bit. I've been working on girth work and trying to decide which method was going to give the highest rewards, and I got to thinking back to when I made my best girth gains. I came back to a period of time about 2, almost 3, years ago when I was doing manual girth exercises. I was using Uli squeezes and horse 440s and my girth went from a paltry 5.0" to 5.5" in a fairly short amount of time. I would usually warm up with a warm rag and move into 100-150 jelqs and then I'd squeeze until my hands got tired. This kept my sessions rather short and usually very productive. Vaselinknight posted his thoughts on girth training in another thread and discussed the collapsing of the tunica and venous systems within the penis and I think that's very accurate when the penis is under tremendous internal pressure for sustained periods of time. Personally I've found that multiple days in a row clamping always led to weakened erections and poor sessions. I had some success with pumping and jelqing but I ended up having a similar problem when I went to 4 sessions every day with clamping in between sessions.

I'm not concluding that high internal pressure is a negative thing, but I do believe prolonged exposure to high internal pressure will lead to a thickening of the tunica from the inside out and could severely hinder progress. I think that by using manual girth exercises you take the guess work out and your hands will limit the total amount of work you can do, and this is a good thing. I'm experimenting with a protocol of 100 jelqs and no more than 5 squeezes every day to see what my results are. My girth has fallen a bit since I haven't been doing anything for it, but I've gained nearly a whole inch in FSL and almost .75" in EL. I think it's been a fair trade off.

I forgot to mention I do this one on one off. Plus, I only clamp with two clicks over a dress sock, so it's a whole different ball game than how people "normally" clamp. Erections have been good, btw.

millionman · Jan 21, 2008

Ozzy83, I usually stretch very hard. Not rip your penis off the bone hard, but I will stretch until it feels as if there's no where else to go. Once I reach that point then I attempt to take it a bit further. There is no real way to say exactly how much tension you should use, but my guideline is to pull to maximum stretch, which is the current max FSL, and then go a bit beyond that point. Now, there won't be a huge "give" at this point as the penis is at it's maximum length, however you can attempt to take a bit beyond that and that's where gains are made. Length of session doesn't really matter, as long as you feel good and stretched at the end. I've had sessions where this happens in 5 minutes, or in 35 minutes. It all depends on how your penis is responding to the work you are putting in. Now, the key to this method is to not focus on how hard or how long but to focus on the feeling your penis is giving you. If you're sore at the base, in all likelihood you'll be better off with a lighter stretching day. If you are not getting much feedback from your penis, you might spend a little bit more time stretching. If your penis feels tight and lacks any sort of spring back or "slack" then you might think of taking a day off. It's all relevant to where you are in the healing cycle.

10inch, Try spending a little less time on girth, at least using any intense methods, as one of the lessons I took from BIB was to not attempt both girth and length at the same time as this will slow progress. If we keep it simple, and stay headed in one direction, we can achieve a goal more directly than if we were to split our attentions in two different directions simultaneously. I've been working length only for the better part of a year, and I've gotten nearly another 1" in FSL in that time and over .5" in EL in that same time. That rate of return is better than my two year streak of no length gains and only moderate girth gains. I really do think that attempting both is counterproductive. I will say that using the jelq, usually no more than 300 at a session, is a great way to promote a healthy penis and add small amounts of girth. As I've said before I've found it to be a solid way of aiding the conversion from FSL to EL.

10inchadvantage · Jan 21, 2008

millionman;291704 said:
Ozzy83, I usually stretch very hard. Not rip your penis off the bone hard, but I will stretch until it feels as if there's no where else to go. Once I reach that point then I attempt to take it a bit further. There is no real way to say exactly how much tension you should use, but my guideline is to pull to maximum stretch, which is the current max FSL, and then go a bit beyond that point. Now, there won't be a huge "give" at this point as the penis is at it's maximum length, however you can attempt to take a bit beyond that and that's where gains are made. Length of session doesn't really matter, as long as you feel good and stretched at the end. I've had sessions where this happens in 5 minutes, or in 35 minutes. It all depends on how your penis is responding to the work you are putting in. Now, the key to this method is to not focus on how hard or how long but to focus on the feeling your penis is giving you. If you're sore at the base, in all likelihood you'll be better off with a lighter stretching day. If you are not getting much feedback from your penis, you might spend a little bit more time stretching. If your penis feels tight and lacks any sort of spring back or "slack" then you might think of taking a day off. It's all relevant to where you are in the healing cycle.

10inch, Try spending a little less time on girth, at least using any intense methods, as one of the lessons I took from BIB was to not attempt both girth and length at the same time as this will slow progress. If we keep it simple, and stay headed in one direction, we can achieve a goal more directly than if we were to split our attentions in two different directions simultaneously. I've been working length only for the better part of a year, and I've gotten nearly another 1" in FSL in that time and over .5" in EL in that same time. That rate of return is better than my two year streak of no length gains and only moderate girth gains. I really do think that attempting both is counterproductive. I will say that using the jelq, usually no more than 300 at a session, is a great way to promote a healthy penis and add small amounts of girth. As I've said before I've found it to be a solid way of aiding the conversion from FSL to EL.

I'm not stopping girth work for anything. Yes, my length gains (only in the bpfsl) may slow, but I'm not too concerned as bpfsl does not equal EL gains. I refuse to lose any in both length and girth, hence I am working both. I'd rather spend the next 2 years trying to get to 9 x 6.5 rather than the next five. When I stop working one or the other it's plain and simple. I simply lose size in whatever area I'm not working.

I do not think people should necessarily apply this "progressive" idea to girth. Girth is a beast with too many variables to measure. Length is a MUCH simpler topic. I'm sticking with my current routine as I have been getting better, more frequent erections along with the nice "sore" feeling that I have longed for. I'm not an advocate of hardcore Penis Enlargement, but I feel I must stop pussy-footing around if I'm to make any real girth gains. Length, I have no clue how I'm going to change things up. Hopefully my girth work will give me length, which clamping did (a whole .5" most likely back in the day).

millionman · Jan 21, 2008

10inch, Do whatever you think is best. I spent a TON of time clamping, pumping, and all sorts of manuals in attempts to gain girth. I even had Red design me a clamping routine specifically for me, and I gained very little except a huge amount of discoloration and fluid buildup. Because of the significant amount of fluid I would buildup during my "hardcore" sessions I got tons of slack skin and basically was able to stop my FR pursuits. Vaselinknight has given me great insight into the things that occur when the penis is under high to extreme amounts of internal pressure and none of them are good. If it works for you then great, but personally I'm done wasting tons of time on something that may or may not give me what I'm looking for. Usually I gain girth using the simplest of exercises with moderate pressure. Jelqing and using other manual squeezes have worked wonders for me early on when I first started. In fact looking back at one of my log books I got to 5.5" using a jelq and squeeze based program.

Again, if you're confident in what has proven to yield gains then go with that. Otherwise if you're stuck then I'd consider taking a different road. It's good that you're at least thinking about what you want to accomplish without just following along with what everyone else does. I hope that you find what works for you and that you get to where you want to be.

Reber187 · Jan 22, 2008

10inchadvantage;291769 said:
I'm not stopping girth work for anything. Yes, my length gains (only in the bpfsl) may slow, but I'm not too concerned as bpfsl does not equal EL gains. I refuse to lose any in both length and girth, hence I am working both. I'd rather spend the next 2 years trying to get to 9 x 6.5 rather than the next five. When I stop working one or the other it's plain and simple. I simply lose size in whatever area I'm not working.

I do not think people should necessarily apply this "progressive" idea to girth. Girth is a beast with too many variables to measure. Length is a MUCH simpler topic. I'm sticking with my current routine as I have been getting better, more frequent erections along with the nice "sore" feeling that I have longed for. I'm not an advocate of hardcore Penis Enlargement, but I feel I must stop pussy-footing around if I'm to make any real girth gains. Length, I have no clue how I'm going to change things up. Hopefully my girth work will give me length, which clamping did (a whole .5" most likely back in the day).

were you aware Derrida dropped in to give an update and fill in the blanks. go read his progress/routine thread, it may benefit you to to get in contact with him as he's been hammering girth only and reports gains.

keep pushing

10inchadvantage · Jan 22, 2008

millionman;291773 said:
10inch, Do whatever you think is best. I spent a TON of time clamping, pumping, and all sorts of manuals in attempts to gain girth. I even had Red design me a clamping routine specifically for me, and I gained very little except a huge amount of discoloration and fluid buildup. Because of the significant amount of fluid I would buildup during my "hardcore" sessions I got tons of slack skin and basically was able to stop my FR pursuits. Vaselinknight has given me great insight into the things that occur when the penis is under high to extreme amounts of internal pressure and none of them are good. If it works for you then great, but personally I'm done wasting tons of time on something that may or may not give me what I'm looking for. Usually I gain girth using the simplest of exercises with moderate pressure. Jelqing and using other manual squeezes have worked wonders for me early on when I first started. In fact looking back at one of my log books I got to 5.5" using a jelq and squeeze based program.

Again, if you're confident in what has proven to yield gains then go with that. Otherwise if you're stuck then I'd consider taking a different road. It's good that you're at least thinking about what you want to accomplish without just following along with what everyone else does. I hope that you find what works for you and that you get to where you want to be.

The difference is that I'm not doing anything hardcore at all. Two clicks on the clamp is almost nothing. 2-5" hg is pretty easy on the penis as well. When I used to clamp I used to get at least 5 clicks down. When you clamp light it's a whole different ball game. You don't get that fluid buildup or darkening. I consider my girth routine as still in the means of the "Progressive" style as I use such little force as compared to normal. I only do two sets of light clamping and three sets of light-moderate pumping! I don't see how this is really stressing the penis. Also, I jelq for a few minutes after a pumping set as well. Again, barely even what I'd consider "moderate" jelqing pressure. My penis will be feeling it for a day afterwards. By the second day (1 on 1 off routine mind you) my penis is ready to go again. I can barely feel that "good sore" feeling on the second day, if at all.

millionman · Jan 22, 2008

10inch, I understand where you're coming from now. Sorry for making you type it more than once for it to be clear. I didn't really understand what you were getting at in your first post. I'm not really clear on what a progressive girth routine would look like, but it seems you might have something. I'm waiting for VK to get back to me about a few of his ideas and maybe something will come of it.

seeking8.5x6 · Jan 23, 2008

I am attempting to put this theory in perspective and probably am all around it but cannot lock onto it at the moment.

-Days when you have little to no tightness at the base stretch little and less intensity
-Days of base soreness do moderate stretching
-Days of base tightness be intense and work to edge just past the current maximum FSL

Is this partially acurate or am i off base on your method

I believe this idea could be applied to doing the A-Stretch, Blaster and a few others if you went by the go further until you feel worked ideal.

goinfor11x7 · Jan 26, 2008

Especially for beginners?

millionman · Jan 27, 2008

Wow, you guys are ridiculous. Go fuck with someone else because I'm not even going to mess with this issue. I'm not the owner or proprietor of this site and I'm not SELLING anything. In fact if I were to sell this method I would sell it as the safe, more sensible approach to Penis Enlargement as it's built with the concept of progression not through intensity or increasingly DANGEROUS exercises. This concept is centered around your body's natural healing processes and learning MORE about how your body does and doesn't react to stress. It's probably the most reliable and SAFE method here at MOS. Why would I need to post a warning? I never warm-up and I've had NO problems. Why would I need to recommend anything or warn anyone? I don't and I'm not going to.

In short you two wankers can FUCK OFF!!! I've got nothing for either one of you for posting such shit in this thread. It's not cute and it's not amusing in the least.

millionman · Jan 27, 2008

SEEKING, You're actually right on the mark. Initially you may end up spending a little less time, if you're coming off of a decon break, as you'll be touch and go as far as soreness and tightness go. You'll learn a lot in the first 2-3 weeks and then from there it becomes a cycle of once every 3-4 weeks you'll be tight, sore, loose, and then sightly "rubbery" for 1-2 days out of the week. That's the cycle that I go through every month or so. Sometimes the cycle is dependent on how much work you get in. I've had a complete healing cycle in 3 weeks and gained slightly from it, and it's mainly because I did more work 2-3 days in a row when I was tight on consecutive days. Odd things like that do happen from time to time, but once you're used to how things go you'll know why and how everything went the way it did.

millionman · Jan 28, 2008

Threak, DO NOT QUOTE ANYTHING FROM THE MODERATOR'S FORUM AND POST IT HERE IN THE MAIN FORUM! You do not have the authority to post that here as it is a discussion for MODERATORS. That is gross misuse of your moderator status.

If at this point you want to discuss this issue further post a NEW thread about it, as you've officially jacked this thread for your own purposes. I will not respond further in this thread on this particular topic.

pepepe · Jan 28, 2008

millionman;292585 said:
Threak, DO NOT QUOTE ANYTHING FROM THE MODERATOR'S FORUM AND POST IT HERE IN THE MAIN FORUM! You do not have the authority to post that here as it is a discussion for MODERATORS. That is gross misuse of your moderator status.

If at this point you want to discuss this issue further post a NEW thread about it, as you've officially jacked this thread for your own purposes. I will not respond further in this thread on this particular topic.

who are you talking to in that post?

millionman · Jan 30, 2008

That last post was to Threak.

Penis EnlargementPenis EnlargementPenis Enlargement, Why did you take offense to me tell Threak and Goingfor to fuck off? You haven't posted anything here.

millionman · Mar 5, 2008

Well, I've made a few interesting discoveries recently. I can do a bit more girth work than I originally thought and make solid progress with length, although I can't say that the girth work has translated to anything more than harder erections and a slightly fatter flaccid. The other thing I've noticed is when I take 3-4 days off, or maybe up to a week, after a fairly intense bout of length work (1 session) that I still end up making small increments of progress. The intensity of the session is usually spread over the course of an entire day where I will stretch for 10-15 minutes between 3 and 6 times in a day. It totals close to an hour total time of stretching, but each session still has that FIRST session feeling of getting loose and elongating everything.

I've come to think that the urethra plays a huge role in how much growth occurs in any training cycle. It's a very tough structure and the materials it is made of tend to have longer healing times than normal vascularized tissues. Essentially I think that adequate rest times are necessary for cell regeneration and healing for the penis overall but I think that it could be even more important for the urethra to be given time to heal..

ozzy83 · Jun 23, 2008

Been a few months since anyone posted last. Any updates millionman or anyone else?

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