Progressive Stretching

Ithiel, Those aren't the only gainers. How about your SWMs of the world? Guys who spend huge amounts of time hanging, stretching, etc and don't see any progress. This is not slow gaining, this is NO GAINS. There are mechanisms of action that cause growth and there are mechanisms of action that react to injury. Maybe the answer is not "some grow fast, some grow slow" it's some men will grow no matter what they do to themselves and others who attempt to follow the same foot steps can't. It's just like taking the genetic elite and say hey they do it this way because they're getting results from it. There are too many cases of men attempting to follow these types of regimens and failing miserably.

BIB is a very special case. He approached Penis Enlargement in a very thoughtful and progressive manner, and although he eventually hung huge weights he also spent hours and hours at a time hanging at his desk. DLD also has spent hours upon hours and he has grown. In both of these cases I do not feel that they should be pointed to as examples. These two are the EXTREME end of the spectrum. Personally when I first started Penis Enlargement I spent a considerable amount of time on it, and now I can't. For most men here we have to go out into the world and work, go to class, workout, and generally just do other things.

In the above two cases, if everyone is up on what BIB wrote about deforming the tissues then we can move forward, I think that they spent so much time Penis Enlargementing throughout the day (average of about 8 hours or more) that their bodies never went through a complete healing process to heal the injured areas. This repetitive day in and day out occurance would lead to gains because the tissues would still be soft and pliable from the work the day before. See I think there are two options, as far as I can see, one you can either learn how to Penis Enlargement on a time budget and get the maximum benefit day in and day out or you can dedicate your life to Penis Enlargement and spend each and every day trying to make your penis bigger.

Now, if I've not proven a point with this Ithiel then I don't know what else to say. Your body has certain functions that are predetermined to happen whether you choose to admit it or not. If you've got all the time in the world to dedicate yourself to Penis Enlargement then that's fantastic, but I assure you most of us do not. You can choose to buy or sell and it won't really matter because this has proven to work. If you ever find yourself sitting at the same measurement for 2+ years then you might understand where I'm coming from, but until then you keep doing it your way.
 
There's definitely something to this theory. Mako, from the old penilefitness forums, definitely agrees with you. Here's what he had to say in an old post:

"I'm seeing a lot of guys who want to try and pull their penis out of socket when doing the Xtenders. This is not good practice and doesn't increase or speed up your gains. When you guys do the Xtenders you just want to feel a slight tug/stretch at the base. If you don't feel this when stretching, try and be sure that you are not doing pc's at the same time you stretch as this can often times be counter productive.

Off topic note,
Quick basic penile ligament anatomy inservice;
The ligaments that form the foundation, frame, and anchoring points for your penis aren't pure 100% ligament. It consists of a mix of a slight amount of muscle tissue combined with the ligament tissue. When you stretch your penis, if you pull it to hard, what happens is the muscle tissue embedded within the ligament contracts as a reflex action. It isn't something you can control, it just happens. Some have more than others and some have less than others. The trick is to get that muscle tissue to relax when you do the Xtenders. If you find yourself having difficulty getting a good stretch try pulling out slowly, take a few seconds to stretch it out, then hold that for a 15 or 30 count.

Ok, back on topic,
What happens when you do pc's/kegels at the same time you stretch, or if you pull to hard, your body sends signals to the muscles in that area of the body to begin contracting, (same thing as when you feel threatened, your entire body tightens up in preparation for the fight or flight response), this unfortunately includes the muscle tissue hidden within your penis, (part of the fight or flight response).

When you stretch, TRY AND BE AS RELAXED AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, this will help in keeping that muscle tissue relaxed so you can get a good stretch. I did the stretching either reclining in a comfy chair, or, while laying in bed...

Everyone should be doing a hot wrap before doing any exercising. If you feel that your penis has "cooled off", doing a second hot wrap, (2 - 5 minutes), half way through your Xtender routine won't hurt anything, in fact, it may even help keep your penile tissues relaxed."

P.S. Mako claims almost 5" in length gain.
 
This is a good theory. I've stopped doing all the intense 2-hour workouts that I used to do for girth. Now all I do are 100 powerjelqs a day, and my penis is responding much better than when I used to spend at least an hour a day bashing my penis. Also, wouldn't hanging light weights simulate progressive stretching? I've been hanging low weights with the BIB and my chambers are feeling a nice, relaxing fatigue. I don't see any rush to move up in weight anytime soon. I'll try throwing in some stretching throughout the day. The "less is more" theories are relatively new in Penis Enlargement and I have been trying them out and liking them.
 
I don’t know. I still believe you need enough tension for a sufficient amount of time to deform the collagenous tissues for any growth. But then again, I do believe that you can do too much work, triggering the body’s defense mechanism and you will also see no growth. I believe it is necessary to find a balance between the two in order to reach our goals. And, that will be different for each person.
 
First off very interesting theory.I just have a few questions and anyone please input your responses as I would greatly appreciate them.OK firstly,can I do these progressive stretches(throughout the day) and also an intense manual workout daily for possibly maximum results?2.Is there a general consensus on what the point is EXACTLY where you are within the range of growth and regeneration(like you say) and without tipping the scale towards injury...like I guess balance ...what would this be?Thank you.
 
penisbuilder said:
First off very interesting theory.I just have a few questions and anyone please input your responses as I would greatly appreciate them.OK firstly,can I do these progressive stretches(throughout the day) and also an intense manual workout daily for possibly maximum results?2.Is there a general consensus on what the point is EXACTLY where you are within the range of growth and regeneration(like you say) and without tipping the scale towards injury...like I guess balance ...what would this be?Thank you.
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Just make sure, whatever routine you choose to do, that you feel comfortably fatigued after the workout, but that fatigue shouldn't be lasting all the time. The key is to not overdo it. It's better to underdo than overdo. If you haven't been doing Penis Enlargement for at least 6 months, I wouldn't start doing anything too intense.
 
I'm really confused as to why anyone would think they have to "buy" into this theory. It's a simple statement regarding how the body heals and how to manipulate the injury mechanism from never kicking on. What's so hard about that? For anyone who posts in this thread that they don't "buy" it you should take it up with your own biological functions and not with this thread.

Ok, so I'm going to attempt to explain deformation of tissues. To deform the tissues it doesn't take 1000lbs of force. To work with, what is majority collagenous tissue, it only takes a small amount of force to cause it to slide and move out of it's original alignment. We're not talking about bone, cartilage, or tendons. We're talking about a very simple tissue. This sort of tissue is multi-layered but it's not overly thick and can be manipulated fairly easily. As far as deforming these tissues significantly enough to cause growth it does not take a huge amount of force. When you do use "too much" force then you end up moving the tissues too much, the body perceives it as trauma, and then you have new tissue being generated but now instead of it causing growth it's actually layered to prevent the same "injury" from occurring down the road. This means the force applied above no longer gets the job done, which then means more force must be used to deform the tissues to the same degree previously. This is a never ending process that causes men to stop gaining, I've been there and it took 2 YEARS to figure all of this out.

Ok, now with this being said pulling to the point where a good stretch is felt at the base of the shaft in a SO position is indication that the tissues are giving to a degree. This is good. Anytime someone wants to loosen the hamstrings they don't pull it over their head to feel a good stretch to loosen up with, although this is a muscular comparison you get the idea. The idea is to stretch the tissue so it has to grow longer, and as it's very thinly layered tissue a HUGE amount of force is not needed. Pulling past the point of the tissues current position will prove to be enough stimulus for the tissue to grow longer, even if it is less than 1/4 of a cm this is still moving in the right direction. In the end this small gain on a day to day basis with proper rest days and consistent light pulls throughout the day this process can continue on at what I imagine to be infinite.

I can say that I haven't done much this week at all but I'm hanging much lower and my FSL has gotten to be fairly impressive. Each SU stretch is well over my belly button on a very light pull, so this is a very good sign. I've been in the extender once this week, and actually had a water blister form along the right side of my glans (it's from the hole in the vac-extender, as I actually allowed some air into the cylinder while I was trying to put the sleeve on and it sucked some of the skin into the hole causing the blister to form over the hour that I had the thing on) which has made it very difficult to stretch much at all, but I've managed some very very light pulling and I'm definitely seeing improvements with a VERY VERY light load of work.
 
millionman said:
I'm really confused as to why anyone would think they have to "buy" into this theory. It's a simple statement regarding how the body heals and how to manipulate the injury mechanism from never kicking on. What's so hard about that? For anyone who posts in this thread that they don't "buy" it you should take it up with your own biological functions and not with this thread.

Ok, so I'm going to attempt to explain deformation of tissues. To deform the tissues it doesn't take 1000lbs of force. To work with, what is majority collagenous tissue, it only takes a small amount of force to cause it to slide and move out of it's original alignment. We're not talking about bone, cartilage, or tendons. We're talking about a very simple tissue. This sort of tissue is multi-layered but it's not overly thick and can be manipulated fairly easily. As far as deforming these tissues significantly enough to cause growth it does not take a huge amount of force. When you do use "too much" force then you end up moving the tissues too much, the body perceives it as trauma, and then you have new tissue being generated but now instead of it causing growth it's actually layered to prevent the same "injury" from occurring down the road. This means the force applied above no longer gets the job done, which then means more force must be used to deform the tissues to the same degree previously. This is a never ending process that causes men to stop gaining, I've been there and it took 2 YEARS to figure all of this out.

Ok, now with this being said pulling to the point where a good stretch is felt at the base of the shaft in a SO position is indication that the tissues are giving to a degree. This is good. Anytime someone wants to loosen the hamstrings they don't pull it over their head to feel a good stretch to loosen up with, although this is a muscular comparison you get the idea. The idea is to stretch the tissue so it has to grow longer, and as it's very thinly layered tissue a HUGE amount of force is not needed. Pulling past the point of the tissues current position will prove to be enough stimulus for the tissue to grow longer, even if it is less than 1/4 of a cm this is still moving in the right direction. In the end this small gain on a day to day basis with proper rest days and consistent light pulls throughout the day this process can continue on at what I imagine to be infinite.

I can say that I haven't done much this week at all but I'm hanging much lower and my FSL has gotten to be fairly impressive. Each SU stretch is well over my belly button on a very light pull, so this is a very good sign. I've been in the extender once this week, and actually had a water blister form along the right side of my glans (it's from the hole in the vac-extender, as I actually allowed some air into the cylinder while I was trying to put the sleeve on and it sucked some of the skin into the hole causing the blister to form over the hour that I had the thing on) which has made it very difficult to stretch much at all, but I've managed some very very light pulling and I'm definitely seeing improvements with a VERY VERY light load of work.
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this is a simple, factual, clever thread, Millionman, and i'm injecting this all into my manual efforts.

i wanted to ask you if you fatigue with these progressive stretches? i myself have never fatigued when stretching manually, aside from when i hit SD(which i'm having skin trauma issues with)

i searched here(i know someone else asked) and googled but couldn't find the answer. what force do you think is exerted with a manual stretch? i.e. lbs


keep pusing
 
millionman said:
I'm really confused as to why anyone would think they have to "buy" into this theory. It's a simple statement regarding how the body heals and how to manipulate the injury mechanism from never kicking on. What's so hard about that? For anyone who posts in this thread that they don't "buy" it you should take it up with your own biological functions and not with this thread.

Ok, so I'm going to attempt to explain deformation of tissues. To deform the tissues it doesn't take 1000lbs of force. To work with, what is majority collagenous tissue, it only takes a small amount of force to cause it to slide and move out of it's original alignment. We're not talking about bone, cartilage, or tendons. We're talking about a very simple tissue. This sort of tissue is multi-layered but it's not overly thick and can be manipulated fairly easily. As far as deforming these tissues significantly enough to cause growth it does not take a huge amount of force. When you do use "too much" force then you end up moving the tissues too much, the body perceives it as trauma, and then you have new tissue being generated but now instead of it causing growth it's actually layered to prevent the same "injury" from occurring down the road. This means the force applied above no longer gets the job done, which then means more force must be used to deform the tissues to the same degree previously. This is a never ending process that causes men to stop gaining, I've been there and it took 2 YEARS to figure all of this out.

Ok, now with this being said pulling to the point where a good stretch is felt at the base of the shaft in a SO position is indication that the tissues are giving to a degree. This is good. Anytime someone wants to loosen the hamstrings they don't pull it over their head to feel a good stretch to loosen up with, although this is a muscular comparison you get the idea. The idea is to stretch the tissue so it has to grow longer, and as it's very thinly layered tissue a HUGE amount of force is not needed. Pulling past the point of the tissues current position will prove to be enough stimulus for the tissue to grow longer, even if it is less than 1/4 of a cm this is still moving in the right direction. In the end this small gain on a day to day basis with proper rest days and consistent light pulls throughout the day this process can continue on at what I imagine to be infinite.

I can say that I haven't done much this week at all but I'm hanging much lower and my FSL has gotten to be fairly impressive. Each SU stretch is well over my belly button on a very light pull, so this is a very good sign. I've been in the extender once this week, and actually had a water blister form along the right side of my glans (it's from the hole in the vac-extender, as I actually allowed some air into the cylinder while I was trying to put the sleeve on and it sucked some of the skin into the hole causing the blister to form over the hour that I had the thing on) which has made it very difficult to stretch much at all, but I've managed some very very light pulling and I'm definitely seeing improvements with a VERY VERY light load of work.
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This seems to be the idea that the StatiicStretcher acts on. However, this seems to be at short intervals rather than 24/7.
 
Well, to update this thread I'm beginning to narrow down the growth cycle. I should say at least it's what I've noticed as I'm progressing. I've noticed that I still have the occasional day where I feel very little to no tension in the tissues when I stretch. I've also noticed that on these days I measure almost an 1/8 of an inch shorter than a few days previous. Within 24 hours the tension is back in the tissue and the measurement is usually slightly longer than the 1/8 of an inch lost the day previous. I've been using the vac-extender a little bit less and spent a bit more time stretching with my hands throughout the day. So far I've been able to pinpoint the days that warrant more time spent stretching, but I usually will use the extender on these days for 30 minutes to an hour. I've found this out by simply testing the amount of stretch I get vs. how tight everything is. If it's really tight then I'll spend some time with the heating pad and then I'll use the extender. If everything is very pliable then I'll focus more on stretching with my hands because within the next day or two there is no tension in the stretches. This is my personal growth cycle, or at least what I've found to this point. Things might change, but as of right now I feel like I have the rhytHydromax of things down fairly well.
 
I've decided to do less hanging and more sporadic stretching throughout the day, as hanging everyday is too hard on my penile tissues, I feel. Keep up the good work.
 
Hey millionman, i like your approach.
But im asking me how can i incorporate your approach into a routine. Should jelqing be avoided in your theory?
How long should the stretching routine take place(to stretch longer than your fsl)?
How often you should do the light pulling throughout the day?
 
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Dex, I'm sure that moderate volume jelqing once or twice in a week would work really well within the parameters of this model.

I'd keep my stretching sessions fairly brief, although this can vary based on the looseness or tightness at the base of the shaft. If you're loose then I'd say keep it at a minimum and stretch throughout the day to reach past the max FSL. On tighter days I'd say you could stretch a bit more intensely but I would still keep it fairly brief and then I'd be sure to stretch frequently throughout the day working past the Max. FSL. As I've said the max. FSL could be a centimeter or a half inch, but as long as it's further than the day before you're going to progress.

For me I've found that frequent stretching throughout the day, for maybe 1-2 minutes works really well regardless of how tight or loose I'm feeling on a given day.
 
Things are really coming along now. I've definitely nailed down the growth cycle and how I respond to lighter/heavier stretch days. I haven't used the extender in 2 weeks and I'm just chugging along doing manuals throughout the day and everything is going really well. I have some days when I'll stretch once or twice when I notice things are not as pliable as usual, as this has shown to be a "drawing up or tightening" of the tunica and ligs. This happened last week and I experienced lig "pops' on consecutive days and measured out at .25" longer than the previous measurement. I'm sitting at 8.5" FSL and a bit more since the lig pops last week, I think it comes out between 8.6 and 8.7" on the ruler. As I said things are moving forward in a very positive direction and I'm extremely happy with this progress. I'm thinking since I have the rhytHydromax down as far as the stretching goes maybe I'll start including jelqs in the evening starting with 100 2-3 times a week and see how this goes.

Has anyone tried experimenting with low volume jelqing while using this method for flaccid stretches?
 
millionman,

This is the first time I have read this thread, but I guess I was doing some similar stretching to what you were doing. I do my routine, but at the end of it for 1-2 min I will do my bpfsl test with a ruler. Basically I pull SO with the ruler and watch as my dick progress to 7.25 (sometimes its tight and I cant get there but I have made it over it twice (I just hit that mark about 12 days ago)). I dont feel like I pull as hard and I definitely notice that some days its really easy to get there and others its not. However, it is cool to watch your dick grow right in front of your eyes. Sometimes I have started at 7 bpfsl and as I pull and relax it grows to 7.25" its pretty cool to watch. Based on your theory though, I need to get more days over 7.25" so I will be trying to do that!! Good stuff man. Have you seen it translate in EL??
 
millionman;275330 said:
Think of the pulse 110 stretch DLD came up with a few years ago
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Damn I feel old:) Great exercise though. Another one buried deep in the forum.
 
Well, as far as descriptions go that exercise really is what you want to do when you're trying to stretch just a bit further than the day before. It works very well with guys trying to grasp the "idea" of stretching just a tad further each and every pull.
 
It's fairly simple. Instead of trying to pull your dick off of your pubic bone, you simply pull to the point where you feel a nice stretch at the base of the penis. Depending on how the stretch feels you can either do more or less on that particular day. Basically the feeling at the base of the penis, whether it's tight with a ton of feeling or if it's completely loose with little to no feeling, dictates the amount of stretching for a particular day. This really works well with your natural rhytHydromaxs as you will heal and repair on the lighter days and other days you can focus on pulling until you have a "loose" feeling.
 
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