Frenulum Tying!

Congratulations on having the resolve to go through with a tie! And then 2 more!
It was this forum (especially the photos) that helped convince me to try it
I am still healing from my first tie and can see I was overly cautious. I look forward to
another tie in a week or so and will try to post some photos.
The photo below is my first tie and I am posting it as a test of image size
 
Hi guys,
I'm doing my 3rd tie in a few days, the first one i put too shallow and unfortunately didnt get me to where i wanted. 2nd one got loose somehow and had to take it out before it had a chance to cut anything :( now i will use stretch magic and will go deeper.

silversurferft I see your problem, kinda have a similar one but on a smaller scale, there is some skin attached directly to the glans. But I think that as long it's flexible like normal skin, and not so hard as frenulum, it wont hold you back. If it really bothers you then I would shallowly tie off the bits that are attached to the glans. I wouldnt tie off the wide part as that might be something you will regret once it's done ;p maybe try stretching and see what hold you back and tie that part off?

tj2 Your situation seems very straightforward, your frenulum doesn't branch out and is the only connection between glans and foreskin. You will be able to regulate retraction by just how deep you put the tie in.

Sorry guys i'm not providing pictures but my phone camera is really shitty and you cant see anything.
 
I tied my frenulum because I have been stretching my foreskin and could not stretch my frenulum any further without a lot of scarring and pain. Hoping that once its tied in several places I can continue to stretch. Below is a photo of my first tie almost healed.
You can see my next tie definitely needs to be deeper.
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I;ve been trying to stretch my foreskin too. Got it to being quite wide, like 4cm in diameter, but still retraction isn't smooth so figured the frenulum is the culprit and am in the process of tying it off.
 
silversurferft -
It looks to me like you should be able to tie your "mini-frenulum". It looks like it is part of the original frenulum structure. Try a shallow tie gently, you can always cut the tie if it feels wrong. On my next tie I am going to be a little more gentle and not tie the knot super tight from the beginning. Maybe use the first part of a surgeons knot so it can be slowly tightened over a period of a few days.
 
Has anybody ever cut your frenulum by accident?

I have, i dont know how i did it but ive had 2 weeks off PE and it still hasnt healed
 
make sure you stretch it a lil bit and/or leave foreskin retracted cos otherwise it might heal very tight and be very uncomfortable
 
teppic;643543 said:
Hi guys,
I'm doing my 3rd tie in a few days, the first one i put too shallow and unfortunately didnt get me to where i wanted. 2nd one got loose somehow and had to take it out before it had a chance to cut anything :( now i will use stretch magic and will go deeper.

silversurferft I see your problem, kinda have a similar one but on a smaller scale, there is some skin attached directly to the glans. But I think that as long it's flexible like normal skin, and not so hard as frenulum, it wont hold you back. If it really bothers you then I would shallowly tie off the bits that are attached to the glans. I wouldnt tie off the wide part as that might be something you will regret once it's done ;p maybe try stretching and see what hold you back and tie that part off?

tj2 Your situation seems very straightforward, your frenulum doesn't branch out and is the only connection between glans and foreskin. You will be able to regulate retraction by just how deep you put the tie in.

Sorry guys i'm not providing pictures but my phone camera is really shitty and you cant see anything.
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Yes, I might do just that. It was a bit of an anticlimax really, when I thoroughly examined the area and realized things are not as simple as in most cases. Truth to be told, the central frenulum thread can still be felt under the skin and had I not chickened up a few weeks ago, maybe the things would have get loose by know. Let's see.

Thank you for helping out, guys! All of your opinions are welcome.

I will post about my progress, good luck with yours!
 
Hey guys! I have a question regarding the knot.

Just did my first knot one hour ago... was so frickin nervous ;P but my GF was standing by my side and helped me out.
So hilarious because when I first put the needle in I noticed that the needle was waaay off, inserted much lower than I expected it to be, so I had to pull it out and once again do another try with the needle and another hole but this time higher up on the shaft and closer to the glans.

This time the position was better. I tightened the knot really hard, this was also the most uncomfortable step since it hurt a bit.
My question is, should the knot and glans be covered by the foreskin? Or should the foreskin be retracted all the time?

Cheers!

(also if someone could add me to the flickr group that'd be awesome! My Yahoo ID is mattelof )
 
Congratulations on your first tie!!! I use an antibiotic ointment and pull my foreskin over the glans. Keeps everything clean and soft. I just did my 2nd tie yesterday and will post some photos in the next couple days. What I learned with my first tie is be patient and gentle with your tying. I was too rough and impatient with my first tie and it left an open wound that took a while to heal. It worked out OK, but would have been better had I had more patience. Keep us posted and photos are always helpful to those about to tie.
 
tj2;644038 said:
Congratulations on your first tie!!! I use an antibiotic ointment and pull my foreskin over the glans. Keeps everything clean and soft. I just did my 2nd tie yesterday and will post some photos in the next couple days. What I learned with my first tie is be patient and gentle with your tying. I was too rough and impatient with my first tie and it left an open wound that took a while to heal. It worked out OK, but would have been better had I had more patience. Keep us posted and photos are always helpful to those about to tie.
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Thank you!!
Then I'll keep it covered and maybe stretch it from time to time and keep the knot tightened.

Here are some pictures of the knot, not sure how deep it is, maybe 3-4mm.
Where did you put your first and second knot? I think your 2nd pic is invalid. Feel free to use my pics as reference
 
Uh, don't know how to shrink the pictures, thought it did that automatically
 
This is a repost of a photo of my first tie almost healed. You can see I didn't go deep enough.
Probably better shallow on the first tie anyhow. I will post photos of my second tie later.
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mannenmedkuken - Your photos are fine. If you can edit your photos, I resize mine to around 400X500 pixels.
Your tie looks awesome! The positioning of it looks great and your knot looks good.
 
This is my second tie...a little lower and deeper than first tie. The Numb Master (order on ebay) is 5% lidocaine and is amazing! Apply it a few times 10 minutes apart and after 30 minutes you won't feel a thing. Not that the pain without it is unbearable, but this way you can be more relax and take your time in pushing the needle through.
I used the stretchy polyester line used for bracelets/jewelry, I think it is 1mm thick. Some of the previous posts talked about it and it makes sense, we will see how it goes. Once you have the first line in, you can pull out on it and slide another needle/thread under it if you want to change threads or just want to have a tighter knot.
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tj2;644070 said:
This is my second tie...a little lower and deeper than first tie. The Numb Master (order on ebay) is 5% lidocaine and is amazing! Apply it a few times 10 minutes apart and after 30 minutes you won't feel a thing. Not that the pain without it is unbearable, but this way you can be more relax and take your time in pushing the needle through.
I used the stretchy polyester line used for bracelets/jewelry, I think it is 1mm thick. Some of the previous posts talked about it and it makes sense, we will see how it goes. Once you have the first line in, you can pull out on it and slide another needle/thread under it if you want to change threads or just want to have a tighter knot.
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Holy cow, that's a deep tie! It's seems to be done great though. Did about the same and chickened out because of bleeding (the needle head was too big I think). I think this tie might do a great job. Keep us posted!
 
It seemed deep when I first did it, but now not so much. It seems fairly comfortably now...the first couple of days there were twinges of slight pain...I think that was because I used the stretchy line and it continued to tighten by itself. From the photo below you can see it is cutting in and hopefully doing the job. I can already see a very shallow 3rd tie (maybe I am enjoying this too much!) in the future at the same spot. And then more ties down the shaft just for the hell of it. My frenulum is somewhat different than most of the other posts in that it stops at the base of my glans and doesn't continue up high.View attachment 30508
 
My knot went through a few minutes ago! Took five days. There was some blood, not much.
I will probably need a 2nd knot.

Will post photos in a few days
 
Very exciting! Can't wait to see the photos. It looked like your tie was going to make a huge difference. My tie came loose yesterday so I put in a braided silk suture thread. It looked like it was almost through...hoping that it comes off this weekend.
 
My 2nd tie came off (with some tugging) 2 days ago...trying to decide whether to put a 3rd tie in same place today or wait until it heals more. Will post some images if I do.

Still hoping someone has access to the flickr group Fren_tying and can invite me in since it is a private group.
[email protected]
flickr name - tim_gypsy1953
(this is a different email address since my last request)
 
It has been a week since my 2nd tie came off. Healing was slower than the 1st tie, partially because I was using multiple ointments (3 or 4 different types) and that was causing some irritation. After a couple of days of just gentle washing with plain water, it began healing quicker.

I decided to go ahead with a 3rd tie even tho the 2nd tie is not healed. This one is higher towards the glans and deeper. Some blood, a little more pain when tying the knot, but only for a few hours. Went to a restaurant 1/2 hour after tying and by the time I returned home a couple hours later it had settled down and no pain. I used Numb Master again and it works very well...too well:) With my penis so numb even a semi-erection is not happening, which is helpful when pushing the needle through.

Photo 01 shows where I pushed the needle through 4 times before it was in the right place. The silk suture (eBay) had a curved cutting (sharp triangular shape) needle attached which pierces the skin very easily, but if you need multiple attempts at placement, the cutting action of the needle would slice up the flesh a lot. So I cut the needle off and used the suture, it comes in a sealed package and is sterile. A regular tapered needle makes a puncture wound and I think easier to heal.

Photo 03 shows how unhealed the 2nd tie still is. The blue lines indicate the margins of my 1st tie. Looking at the photos now, the 3rd tie looks deep. Once it was actually tied it doesn't look quite so deep.

Photo 04 shows the edges of the 2nd ties unhealed edges pulled together as though I was stitching up a wound. I guess it kinda is!

Photo 05 is the next morning after the tie...it looks and feels good. Now is the waiting game.

The reason I decided to push this along was because I am going on vacation for 2 weeks at the end of this month and if I wait until I am back home over a month will have passed. At my age (62) I need to push things along:)

Hopefully I will have good news in a week or so to post.

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tj2;645914 said:
It has been a week since my 2nd tie came off. Healing was slower than the 1st tie, partially because I was using multiple ointments (3 or 4 different types) and that was causing some irritation. After a couple of days of just gentle washing with plain water, it began healing quicker.

I decided to go ahead with a 3rd tie even tho the 2nd tie is not healed. This one is higher towards the glans and deeper. Some blood, a little more pain when tying the knot, but only for a few hours. Went to a restaurant 1/2 hour after tying and by the time I returned home a couple hours later it had settled down and no pain. I used Numb Master again and it works very well...too well:) With my penis so numb even a semi-erection is not happening, which is helpful when pushing the needle through.

Photo 01 shows where I pushed the needle through 4 times before it was in the right place. The silk suture (eBay) had a curved cutting (sharp triangular shape) needle attached which pierces the skin very easily, but if you need multiple attempts at placement, the cutting action of the needle would slice up the flesh a lot. So I cut the needle off and used the suture, it comes in a sealed package and is sterile. A regular tapered needle makes a puncture wound and I think easier to heal.

Photo 03 shows how unhealed the 2nd tie still is. The blue lines indicate the margins of my 1st tie. Looking at the photos now, the 3rd tie looks deep. Once it was actually tied it doesn't look quite so deep.

Photo 04 shows the edges of the 2nd ties unhealed edges pulled together as though I was stitching up a wound. I guess it kinda is!

Photo 05 is the next morning after the tie...it looks and feels good. Now is the waiting game.

The reason I decided to push this along was because I am going on vacation for 2 weeks at the end of this month and if I wait until I am back home over a month will have passed. At my age (62) I need to push things along:)

Hopefully I will have good news in a week or so to post.

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So, how did it go?
 
I'll put it in as few words as possible:

I'm 33 and I am tired of my frenulum being tight. I went as far as consulting a urologist, but decided against it --- most urologists seem to go overboard with the procedure. And the cost isn't worth it in comparison to this method (unless you have good insurance that covers things like these).

I did everything that can be found here: http://www.picazen.com/FRENULUM/fren_pics.htm --- except the following
#1. I used a sewing needle
#2. I made sure to use an elastic thread the first time.

A couple things I encountered:
#1. My frenulum was so tight, it was very hard to pull it out enough to see where the needle should go. After using lidocaine, I was able to pull it far enough out to see that, behind the glans, there was a spot where I could see where the frenulum (smooth) ended and the inner foreskin (wrinkly) started. So that's where I put the needle. The camera light on my phone helped me make sure I did not poke the vein. No blood whatsoever.
#2. The frenulum is tough to put a sewing needle through. The pinch that I felt made me stop the first time I tried. But then after taking a deep breath, I got it through the second time with a "pop" sounds. The pinch came and went instantly, I'd say pinching my arm (which I did right now) pain that lasts longer and is more intense.
#3. It's been over 12 hours now. No pain. Just a little tingly-tight sensation maybe every 15 minutes or half hour.

After all is said and done I might post a results pic. The pics of the process on this forum and on the website I (and so many others here) linked is not any different from what I did, really.

If this works, I'll be glad to make a fuss about this so other men know there's an alternative. Having a tight frenulum is, quite frankly, bullshit, and it's not really something that people KNOW about in our mainly circumcised USA (though if I'm correct, I think there are a couple guys here who are circumcised but had retained a lot of troublesome frenulum).
 
I'll put it in as few words as possible for now:

I'm 33 and I am tired of my frenulum being tight. I went as far as consulting a urologist, but decided against it --- most urologists seem to go overboard with the procedure. And the cost isn't worth it in comparison to this method (unless you have good insurance that covers things like these).

I did everything that can be found here: http://www.picazen.com/FRENULUM/fren_pics.htm --- except the following
#1. I used a sewing needle
#2. I made sure to use an elastic thread the first time.

A couple things I encountered:
#1. My frenulum was so tight, it was very hard to pull it out enough to see where the needle should go. After using lidocaine, I was able to pull it far enough out to see that, behind the glans, there was a spot where I could see where the frenulum (smooth) ended and the inner foreskin (wrinkly) started. So that's where I put the needle. The camera light on my phone helped me make sure I did not poke the vein. No blood whatsoever.
#2. The frenulum is tough to poke through with a sewing needle. But the pain was less sever than an arm pinch in length and intensity. Instant little pinch sensation, then no pain after that. But it definitely takes conviction, so if you do feel a little something, even after using lidocaine, it definitely will give if you give it just a little more push.
#3. It's been over 12 hours now. No pain. Just a little tingly-tight sensation maybe every 15 minutes or half hour.

After all is said and done I might post a results pic. The pics of the process on this forum and on the website I (and so many others here) linked is not any different from what I did, really.

If this works, I'll be glad to make a fuss about this so other men know there's an alternative. Having a tight frenulum is, quite frankly, bullshit, and it's not really something that people KNOW about in our mainly circumcised USA (though if I'm correct, I think there are a couple guys here who are circumcised but had retained a lot of troublesome frenulum).
 
Day 2 1/2

I can see the thread is cutting in. The area is whitish, no redness at all. If I pull the foreskin down all the way, I can feel just a little pinch. But otherwise, no discomfort. I don't even notice that it's there.
 
I've done 3 ties in the past 2 months. I'll probably do 1 more. Here are my observations in case anyone's interested. I'm posting here because of the current activity on this forum, and its a better format than any other message board where people are discussing this.

- ive used stretch magic .5mm and a non-stretching .15 mm, both bead weaving threads bought at a hobby store. I don't see any benefit to stretch magic, it seems to lose tension when pulled tight.
- the knot will do its work in 4 days, then lose tension. remove the knot and tie a new one through the same piercing if it doesn't pull through.
- day 1 it will be sore, then there is no sensation afterwards due to the loss of blood flow. In my experience when it starts to hurt again on day 4, that's because the knot is loose and rubbing on raw skin, and needs to be replaced with a new knot.
- the process will be completed in 8 days, if you do a second knot on day 4. the first time i tried, i left the original stretch magic knot in for 10+ days, and it didn't cut thru.
- in some guys theres a hard tendon/ligament/band attaching the head to the shaft. I thought if I separated this band, my problems would be solved, but this isn't the case. The band is only one part of a larger structure. I guess in some guys its internal to the rest of the frenulum, in some its external.
-ligation doesn't actually "remove" the frenulum, it lengthens it. However the cuts sort of recede into the shaft, so don't worry if it looks ugly immediately after the knots come out.
- takes about 2 weeks after the knots come out for the cuts to close up. 3 weeks downtime per effort.

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1. first piercing. knot never pulled through, i clipped it a little bit with scissors.
2. a month later, tried a knot further down the frenulum.
3. retied #2 after 4 days, did a new knot directly under where #1 failed, deeper into the frenulum. Both knots pulled out after 8 days.
4. this is where i'll try again. Much deeper than any of the previous knots.
 
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Same issue as what was mentioned above about the frenulum being more than the rigid band.

Day 5 1/2: The knot cut through, and now my foreskin isn't as rubber bandy as before. So now, the pain of pulling the foreskin down as far as I can isn't there! Interestingly enough, I can pull the skin up and down and it doesn't bother the wound much at all.

However, There is still some attachment to the back base of the glans, and that is what is causing tension still. I'll have to go lower down and get the tie as far down the frenulum webbing as safely possible. I can pull down my foreskin about 1/4 of an inch more than before, but because my foreskin is long, it still has a tendency to bunch up. If I can get it to go down another 1/4 inch, then I think everything will work out fine.

Also, I do have that little "knob" that's left from the frenulum band on the shaft. I'm not too worried about it. I'll wait about a week before I try to go further. The pain is very slight, but it just feels like that it would be a good idea to wait for things to heal up a bit before I try again.
 
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it's somewhat encouraging to hear I am not the only one whose frenulum seems to be more than just a thin string.

That's precisely the reason why I am still pondering whether to make another tie. A wider-than-string area (about 0.5cm) should be tied in my case to release the glans from the rest of the penis.
Wider= scarier. More tissue, more vessels etc.

Still pondering.
 
Here's my theory. The majority of the frenulum lies flat against the shaft (illustrated as colored bands). In order to pierce it, I've grabbed the "thin string" and pulled it away from the shaft. The black dots in the illustration represent where the needle was inserted, while the frenulum was pulled away. When pulled, the dots are directly next to each other (on opposite sides of a skin 'wall'), but when laying flat, they are separated by some distance. Of course when the knot is tied, they are pulled together even when laid flat against the shaft. Because of the way the frenulum lies against and wraps around the shaft (my own theory! not scientific fact) I doubt it's possible to pierce deep enough to sever the entire structure, without accidentally piercing the shaft. The piercing process simply lengthens the distance the foreskin can travel without tilting the head down, by creating a cut. At first I was afraid to go as deep as the illustration shows because of the potential size of the cut and scar, I realize now from my experience with shallower tyings that the area heals very cleanly.

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Just got back from vacation and need to leave again so only have time for a quick update.
The following is my experience and not meant to be a guide…use it as a starting point to research and reach your own conclusions.

Since my last post I have tried a variety of ways to make my frenulum looser so all my foreskin will slide down my shaft more evenly. My foreskin bunches on the top side of my shaft when foreskin is retracted because my frenulum is too tight on the bottom side. Prior to tying I was stretching my frenulum/foreskin using a variety of techniques and that works up to a point. I could only go so far and then the frenulum would not stretch any further.

FRENULUM TYING DOES WORK IF PATIENCE AND GOOD TECHNIQUE IS USED. I am very impatient and like experimenting with stuff, so I tend to get a little sideways crazy:). The results have been good so far...I just want more!

So I started tying and have posted photos in this forum up through my 3rd tie. I did two more after that which were rather deep. My biggest problem was when the ties came out the large wounds took some time to heal and I felt that because I could not keep the wound stretched it wanted to shorten up. Part of this was caused by my impatience…I was making deep ties, with very thin (cuts faster) thread and pulling the tie super tight, which resulted in the ties cutting through in a few days. Then I tried cutting with a scalpel (not recommended:)) with the same results of not being able to keep my frenulum stretched while healing to receive the maximum benefit. Part of my healing problem was I kept the wounds slathered in an anti-bacterial ointment which prevented air circulation and slowed down the healing process.

My biggest “aha” came when I realized that tying is the same as piercing only using thread instead of steel. Somewhere on line I saw a frenulum “piercing” that had the steel barbell removed and it left a perfectly healed tunnel under the frenulum, it looked like a tie could be put on the top piece that was attached and a large gain could be made without a large wound. Looked like what I was trying to achieve with thread. So, I now have a 12g piercing with a simple, straight, steel, barbell frenulum piercing that once its healed I can experiment with putting a tie on my frenulum with the barbell still in. Piercing is nearly the same experience as pushing a large needle through your frenulum. I do like the look and feel of the piercing and plan two more in the near future. I found that if I use piercing aftercare to treat my tie it heals quicker with less scarring. This is a good source of what to do (and what not to do) - Piercing Care | The Piercing Bible. This is a short excerpt from that page that is very interesting – “Avoid cleaning with Betadine®, Hibiciens®, alcohol, hyrdrogen peroxide, Dial® or other harsh soaps, as these can damage cells. Also avoid ointments as they prevent necessary air circulation.” Use the above solutions to prep your tying site and then use sea salt soaks for cleansing aftercare.

I have lots of photos to post once I return that might be helpful/informative/interesting to those that are tying or are about to tie.
 
tj2;649068 said:
Just got back from vacation and need to leave again so only have time for a quick update.
The following is my experience and not meant to be a guide…use it as a starting point to research and reach your own conclusions.

Since my last post I have tried a variety of ways to make my frenulum looser so all my foreskin will slide down my shaft more evenly. My foreskin bunches on the top side of my shaft when foreskin is retracted because my frenulum is too tight on the bottom side. Prior to tying I was stretching my frenulum/foreskin using a variety of techniques and that works up to a point. I could only go so far and then the frenulum would not stretch any further.

FRENULUM TYING DOES WORK IF PATIENCE AND GOOD TECHNIQUE IS USED. I am very impatient and like experimenting with stuff, so I tend to get a little sideways crazy:). The results have been good so far...I just want more!

So I started tying and have posted photos in this forum up through my 3rd tie. I did two more after that which were rather deep. My biggest problem was when the ties came out the large wounds took some time to heal and I felt that because I could not keep the wound stretched it wanted to shorten up. Part of this was caused by my impatience…I was making deep ties, with very thin (cuts faster) thread and pulling the tie super tight, which resulted in the ties cutting through in a few days. Then I tried cutting with a scalpel (not recommended:)) with the same results of not being able to keep my frenulum stretched while healing to receive the maximum benefit. Part of my healing problem was I kept the wounds slathered in an anti-bacterial ointment which prevented air circulation and slowed down the healing process.

My biggest “aha” came when I realized that tying is the same as piercing only using thread instead of steel. Somewhere on line I saw a frenulum “piercing” that had the steel barbell removed and it left a perfectly healed tunnel under the frenulum, it looked like a tie could be put on the top piece that was attached and a large gain could be made without a large wound. Looked like what I was trying to achieve with thread. So, I now have a 12g piercing with a simple, straight, steel, barbell frenulum piercing that once its healed I can experiment with putting a tie on my frenulum with the barbell still in. Piercing is nearly the same experience as pushing a large needle through your frenulum. I do like the look and feel of the piercing and plan two more in the near future. I found that if I use piercing aftercare to treat my tie it heals quicker with less scarring. This is a good source of what to do (and what not to do) - Piercing Care | The Piercing Bible. This is a short excerpt from that page that is very interesting – “Avoid cleaning with Betadine®, Hibiciens®, alcohol, hyrdrogen peroxide, Dial® or other harsh soaps, as these can damage cells. Also avoid ointments as they prevent necessary air circulation.” Use the above solutions to prep your tying site and then use sea salt soaks for cleansing aftercare.

I have lots of photos to post once I return that might be helpful/informative/interesting to those that are tying or are about to tie.
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im so happy i found this thread. i heard about tying on a yahoo answers thread but i thought it was crazy. i consulted my doctor about it and he didnt think it was as crazy as i thought it was.

what im wondering is, whats so bad about the scalpel? if i decide to have my doctor remove my fren he will be using a scalpel. is it just that theres more blood? more pain? scaring?
 
has anyone used a hangmans knot with fishing line so they can keep it tight?
 
So here are some after pictures! The bump you see is much smaller than before. I won't be surprised if it disappears entirely after 3-4 more days.

You can also see the scarring is minimal!

Pic 1: Although I already completed the tying, I am showing you here that I could only retract the foreskin this far before I did it.
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Pic 2: This is how far I can retract now and it doesn't hurt unless I really force it.
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Pic 3: This is a side view. It used to only go back this far.
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Pic 4: This is the side view of how far it can go back now
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So here's the deal. Masturbation is way more pleasurable. I get a lot more deep sensation now that I can pull it down just a little more. I'm not sure if all guys will experience that, but now I really feel much more sensitive from rubbing the shaft up and down. I'll have to get used to this a little bit... it's easier for me to cum than before.

But also, as you see, I did not tie off enough frenulum to be able to smooth out all of my skin down my shaft. So now I need to decide if I'm going to go for it again and try to make it so that I can pull it back even more or if I'm happy with how it is now. My main goal was to put an end to painful sex, but now that I see how much I enjoy having a freer foreskin, I might enjoy it even more if I make it so that the frenulum has very little or no pull on the foreskin at all. I might go for it at after the bump left from the frenulum band settles down and I've had a chance to "test run" my anatomy some more. But I'd probably have to tie off a couple veins in the process, so I don't know. :)
 
RazRaz;649480 said:
So here are some after pictures! The bump you see is much smaller than before. I won't be surprised if it disappears entirely after 3-4 more days.

You can also see the scarring is minimal!

Pic 1: Although I already completed the tying, I am showing you here that I could only retract the foreskin this far before I did it.
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Pic 2: This is how far I can retract now and it doesn't hurt unless I really force it.
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Pic 3: This is a side view. It used to only go back this far.
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Pic 4: This is the side view of how far it can go back now
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So here's the deal. Masturbation is way more pleasurable. I get a lot more deep sensation now that I can pull it down just a little more. I'm not sure if all guys will experience that, but now I really feel much more sensitive from rubbing the shaft up and down. I'll have to get used to this a little bit... it's easier for me to cum than before.

But also, as you see, I did not tie off enough frenulum to be able to smooth out all of my skin down my shaft. So now I need to decide if I'm going to go for it again and try to make it so that I can pull it back even more or if I'm happy with how it is now. My main goal was to put an end to painful sex, but now that I see how much I enjoy having a freer foreskin, I might enjoy it even more if I make it so that the frenulum has very little or no pull on the foreskin at all. I might go for it at after the bump left from the frenulum band settles down and I've had a chance to "test run" my anatomy some more. But I'd probably have to tie off a couple veins in the process, so I don't know. :)
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tj2;649068 said:
So I started tying and have posted photos in this forum up through my 3rd tie. I did two more after that which were rather deep. My biggest problem was when the ties came out the large wounds took some time to heal and I felt that because I could not keep the wound stretched it wanted to shorten up. Part of this was caused by my impatience…I was making deep ties, with very thin (cuts faster) thread and pulling the tie super tight, which resulted in the ties cutting through in a few days. Then I tried cutting with a scalpel (not recommended:)) with the same results of not being able to keep my frenulum stretched while healing to receive the maximum benefit. Part of my healing problem was I kept the wounds slathered in an anti-bacterial ointment which prevented air circulation and slowed down the healing process.
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what makes using a scalpel not recomended? was there just more blood? more recovery time? im getting ready to do my first tie. im going to use piercing forceps to locate where i want to go in at. but looking at the different types of forceps makes me think that if i numb the area, lock on and then cut as deep as the tie would be i should be fine. what am i missing here?

also, if anyone has input on where i should place my first tie heres a pic of where im thinking of going in

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tj2;649068 said:
So I started tying and have posted photos in this forum up through my 3rd tie. I did two more after that which were rather deep. My biggest problem was when the ties came out the large wounds took some time to heal and I felt that because I could not keep the wound stretched it wanted to shorten up. Part of this was caused by my impatience…I was making deep ties, with very thin (cuts faster) thread and pulling the tie super tight, which resulted in the ties cutting through in a few days. Then I tried cutting with a scalpel (not recommended:)) with the same results of not being able to keep my frenulum stretched while healing to receive the maximum benefit. Part of my healing problem was I kept the wounds slathered in an anti-bacterial ointment which prevented air circulation and slowed down the healing process.
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can you be more specific about why not the scalpel? im thinking of using one with a larger piercing forcep to clamp the area.

also im contemplating my first tie and im not sure where to go in at. im lookin at 4 spots labeled in the pictures. any help appreciated

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ehjun - glad you find the forum useful. I cautioned about a scalpel for several reasons, 1- the most important reason is once you make that cut there is no going back, if you cut too deep or slice a vein you can have a mess. When you tie, if things don't look right you can cut the tie without any major damage. 2 - you are creating a very fresh open wound in an area that can be difficult to heal and there will be scar tissue build up that may or may not go away. 3 - if your doctor does a frenuloplasty he will carefully suture up the wound to prevent scarring, keep the skin in the proper place, and encourage proper healing (a little google work will turn up videos of the whole procedure).
Tying is a slower, gentler, process that with patience allows a large portion of the cut to heal before the final cut, therefore a lot less traumatic procedure. I like the idea that it is up to the individual to decide how far to go and you can stop when you feel like you have achieved your goal.
I am not an advocate of anyoune having their frenulum removed. I am definitely an advocate of anyone wishing to modify their bodies in a way that brings them greater pleasure sexually or aesthetically.
Err on the side of caution!!! Experiment in tiny steps and see how it works out (and let the rest of us know).
 
ehjun - looking at the photos, your frenulum looks like a candidate for a simple tie. If you put a tie at the #2 spot (on the last photo), use some of the suggested techniques that posters have made, have patience, and after a couple of weeks I think the difference would amaze you.
I use a felt tip pen to carefully mark both sides of where I want the tie to go. A piercing forceps makes the process much easier, especially if you are working alone. Sharp needle, strong thread, everything sterile, take your time and do it right. A surgeons knot works, or any knot that doesn't slip. My experience was I always had to do another thread through the same hole to make a tighter knot as the first thread cut through. If you put in another thread, does so by tugging up on the first thread and sliding a needle and thread through the existing hole under the first thread.
I am excited for you to do this!!! "Your frenulum has "tie me" written all over it!"
 
This will be kind of a long post and my last for a while. I am kind of going in an experimental direction in loosening my frenulum as much as possible and not sure if it fits within this forum of “tying”. My thinking is that a piercing will give the hole a chance to heal underneath, leaving the band of skin on top of the metal to put a tie on. Let me know if you want updates.

I am skipping a bunch of photos and steps to keep this post from becoming a bookrofl Photos are numbered and dated. I did the piercings myself, with a little help from friends.

My last photo post was of my 3rd tie. In this post, photo p01 - the 3rd tie is out (not healed) and tie 4 is in. Photo p02 - tie 4 is out and I decided that a little scalpel work would be a good idea (not!), quite an ugly wound, I stopped the blood with a coagulation powder. Photo p03 - everything is healing fairly well although there is hard scar tissue where I cut with the scalpel. Photo p04 - since it was healed nicely time to torture the little guy with a piercing, the piercing looks deeper than it really is, although it is totally under the frenulum structure, the light blue line is where I hope to someday (when everything is healed around and under the piercing) put a tie, it seems that this would really loosen the whole frenulum without the big wounds I was experiencing with tying (a note: had I been more patient with tying the wounds would have been smaller I think). Photo p05 – 2nd piercing, both barbells are 12 gauge, this is a month after my last tie cut through and everything has healed nicely, the hard scar tissue from the scalpel cutting is almost gone (thank goodness!). Photo p06 – I have stretched the piercings to larger jewelry 8 gauge, the larger jewelry is stretching the frenulum also, the yellow lines is where I plan on placing 2 more piercings, after that I will let everything heal for a few months and then try tying on top of the jewelry.

In conclusion – if this piercing/tying idea works my frenulum should be totally unrestricted. My initial tying certainly gained some looseness, I want more and I like the experimentationrofl. I must confess, I really enjoy the piercing process and the way the jewelry looks and feels…that said, I think I will be ready to remove them in a few months. Let me know what you think and if you have any
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mannenmedkuken;644699 said:
My knot went through a few minutes ago! Took five days. There was some blood, not much.
I will probably need a 2nd knot.

Will post photos in a few days
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So, ehm... I promised an update with photos a few days after my knot went through and, eventually, days become months... (knot went through at may 8th)
Here's the update:

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The ones to the left are, obviously, before the knot went through and the other three to the right were taken just a few days ago! Kinda regret that I didn't take any photos before I put the knot in but whatever, you can see that the skin is much more higher up and rolled up on the before photos due to the damn thight frenulum..
The wound has healed very well! It's like there never was a wound to begin with. And what a relief to have that skin removed, could never have pulled the skin that far back before, it'd just hurt.
However, I think there still is more to remove because I can feel the frenulum when pulled back, not as much though!

Don't know where to put the 2nd knot... suggestions? At the same spot or lower down? I dont know at all to be honest.

(and to you guys out there thinking of doing this but still hasnt done it, just do it! Totally worth it! Just read through the whole thread carefully!)
 
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mannenmedkuken - looking good! Nicely healed and it looks like you gained quite a bit of slack. I would suggest another tie a little further down. When you pull up on the skin below the glans you will see a kind of a triangle where the next tie should be. Congratulations on a tie very well done! And I wholeheartedly agree with your last statement...for those who are reading this forum and wondering...just do it. Lots of good advice and photos/examples in this forum...and ask questions, thats what this sharing is all about.
 
Hi all,
I also want to remove my frenum by tying it.
I'm uncut with rather short foreskin, my frenum is not tight at all, but I want to get rid of it.
I don't know how high and deep punch the skin around the frenulum.
Could someone please describe in more detail where is the best spot to do the first tying and/or post some photos of the procedure (before/after).
What do you think of using dental floss or a thin steel wire?
Thanks,
pigsty
 
pigsty;654910 said:
Hi all,
I also want to remove my frenum by tying it.
I'm uncut with rather short foreskin, my frenum is not tight at all, but I want to get rid of it.
I don't know how high and deep punch the skin around the frenulum.
Could someone please describe in more detail where is the best spot to do the first tying and/or post some photos of the procedure (before/after).
What do you think of using dental floss or a thin steel wire?
Thanks,
pigsty
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Not quite sure what you mean by "removing your frenum", maybe some photos of what you are trying to do would help. The only advice I would give at this point would be to not use wire for tying. If something went wrong (excessive pain, bleeding, or wrong placement) it would be difficult to remove, threads can easily be snipped off. Start at the beginning of this forum and at least read some of the posts and look at some of the great photo examples for a starting point. Post some photos and keep us informed of what you are doing.
 
i wanted to post a little update.

i used numb master, 4lb fishing test, and 18g piercing needles.

first tie i thought was pretty deep but ended up not being deep enough. so im on my second. i got the position perfect the second time since i had an extra set of hands to help me this time. first tie i used surgeons knot and square stacked on top. it would hurt every few hours for the first few days. i left it for 4 days before taking it out. when i did i finished it off with nail clippers. second/current tie i used a hang-mans knot so i can tighten it every other day. i put it in super deep so i expect it will take 2 weeks to finish. im on day 7 now. i dont have before second pictures but here are a few before and afters from before i started/the day i tied to today.

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ehjun -
Congratulations!!! It looks like you did a great job and I'm sure you can feel a difference. I love the feeling of empowerment that tying gives me, modifying my body in a way that enhances or improves my life experiences. It's success stories such as your that encourages other people that read this forum to gather the courage to make that first tie. Thank you for sharing your story and photos! I look forward to seeing the results of your second tie...should be awesome!!!
 
any updates from those who have gone through with this on potential gains? I don't have a tight frenulum by any means, in fact I have excess foreskin. but i'm interested in the potential for gains from this just by reducing any constriction on the head. could lead to length gains or head girth gains ...
 
Read through the whole thread about 3 times. Definitely going to do this I just need some advice about where the best location for the 1st tie would be. I would add photos but im not sure how? Any help would be appreciated. Also if possible could somebody add me to the Flickr group?
 
Excellent work, the best I have seen yet! Clean and the pull is completely gone...great work.
 
Iwankalot;665815 said:
Read through the whole thread about 3 times. Definitely going to do this I just need some advice about where the best location for the 1st tie would be. I would add photos but im not sure how? Any help would be appreciated. Also if possible could somebody add me to the Flickr group?
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welcome! Glad you took the time to read through this forum, some good info has been posted. You really need to post some photos so members of this forum can direct you in where to place a tie. Take some photos, upload to your computer to a place easy to find (I recommend your desktop), use the "reply to thread" message box at the bottom of this page, type your message and then hit the "insert picture" icon, "choose file" from your file locations, hit "upload files", you can use the "go advanced" option to see what your post will actually look like, go back to your message to make changes and back to the advanced view to see what your changes look like.
Post #592 is a good example of helpful photos. You do not need to edit the photos (although that is helpful), just something that shows your frenulum pulled away from your shaft and then the guys who have tied can give you some advice.
Not much going on in the Flickr group. You need to post a email/or Flickr account name to be invited. Hope this helps. Let me know if you need more help on posting photos and I can give you more detailed instructions. I hope you follow through with tying, it works and makes a big difference.
 
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