Originally posted by penguinsfan
Write it down. This is a quote to remember: Man will always exert the greatness efforts towards avoiding work or responsibility.

True...very true!
 
People want everything but dont want to work for it and would rather have it handed to them on a plate.
 
Ok even though I have not had any gains yet this picture makes me believe that P.E works. Check out this womans neck. Note that inside the neck there are all sorts of things being stretched out,while the penis has no bone and only thin muscle, I look at the arteries in her neck as proof that they can be stretched out over time.


http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/3314/trait.jpg
 
I think the science is lacking. Empirical evidence not just anecdotal evidence. ie A controlled study preformed by certified professionals. Even then people aren't going to jump on it. A key part of science is doubting skepticisms and ridicule. If Penis Enlargement were going to break big I think maybe America is not the easiest place to do so.

Perhaps the amount of schooling you have to go through to be a doctor leads them to believe they actually KNOW what they are talking about. However, I don't believe there is some conspiracy. They would stilled be getting paid if the public was aware of Penis Enlargement (in fact they would probably get more business). Ignorance and arrogance are much simpler.
 
goinfor11x7;288670 said:
And ignorance and arrogance combined are utterly contemptible. Look at G.W.B.

Agreed.

Never understood why there wasn't a bigger push to impeach him and his posse. No one has any faith I think <:(
 
The myth that you can streach ur neck with those rings is a myth! It's optical illusion. I saw a show on the discovery channel that showed an X-ray of one women that streaches thier neck with the brass rings. It showed and explained how it is the coller bone, ribcage, and shoulder blades that get forced down giving the look of a longer neck. The whole skin regeneration thing is bs to me. I think all the gains people are getting comes from. How can I explain this?
Ok the place where you are suppost to Kegel? It's coming from there. behind ur balls you can still feel the remander of your penis. So what you are doing is pulling more of penis shaft out from the body. I think this happens when you streach the ligs and tunica to thier limits, and pull more out from behind the testys. There is no new tissue being formed! The extra penis is coming the bottom of your torso.
Now if thier was a cream that would allow the ligaments to streach and heal in the streached form. Allowing more shaft to be pulled out. there has to be some cind of herb, in some remote jungle somewhere that can do this. Wow I talked enough. I hope you all understand my point!!!
 
Drjeckle;288667 said:
I think the science is lacking.

Nothing is more true. Being in the realm of pseudo-science only prevents the advancement of Penis Enlargement. We are making a difference and over time we will be recognized for this but as for now our science is no more than silliness to most of the world.
 
antlovesteph;288752 said:
whats the best routine for length DLD

A routine that works:)

j.k.

If you are new I suggest starting with the newbie routine. The stretching portion is extremely effective and it is the first place most men produce their first gains. If you have been in the game for a minute I suggest checking out the members site, there are some incredible routine there.
 
6inches;288748 said:
The myth that you can streach ur neck with those rings is a myth! It's optical illusion. I saw a show on the discovery channel that showed an X-ray of one women that streaches thier neck with the brass rings. It showed and explained how it is the coller bone, ribcage, and shoulder blades that get forced down giving the look of a longer neck. The whole skin regeneration thing is bs to me. I think all the gains people are getting comes from. How can I explain this?
Ok the place where you are suppost to Kegel? It's coming from there. behind ur balls you can still feel the remander of your penis. So what you are doing is pulling more of penis shaft out from the body. I think this happens when you streach the ligs and tunica to thier limits, and pull more out from behind the testys. There is no new tissue being formed! The extra penis is coming the bottom of your torso.
Now if thier was a cream that would allow the ligaments to streach and heal in the streached form. Allowing more shaft to be pulled out. there has to be some cind of herb, in some remote jungle somewhere that can do this. Wow I talked enough. I hope you all understand my point!!!

Well, I take into consideration but I saw on a documentry and it hada body modification story in it.

Their costums of burmese women even since children they were rings on thier neck stretching thier necks adding new rings each year , it attractive burmese males. The rings play a role in attraction but to serve a perpose of exucution ,for if the woman cheats on her man , her husband removes the rings and HER STREATCHED neck folds in two because the neck muscle are to weak to support a 8-10lb head,and she slowly suffocates.

I don't know if what you say is true after I saw that docu and explained the rituals ,customs and reasoning behind the bizzar modification.:)
 
There's pure science, i.e. theory, and then there's empirical science, and I guess a mix of the two. Now I'm a poet, and not a scientist, not to say that I have not had some training in the sciences, so here goes: How much of P.E. is pure (or at least partial) fancy and how much of it is based on solid scientific evidence and not anecdotal? Most of it is anecdotal, isn't it?

If we could corral all of the P.E.ers, (or at least a few hundred of them), the ones who are not bull-shitters, but the ones who are taking this whole thing seriously and who are doing their very best to get a bigger penis, and then if we could follow their progress on a daily, weekly, monthly, and annual basis, all of it logged in with objective as possible measuring techniques, with a whole team of measurers, then maybe we would have something.

But I remember reading just recently, DLD saying, since the dimensions of the penis are in a constant state of flux, to take two or three measurements and then draw an average from them.

Maybe that is THE underlying problem. If the penis with its blood, skin, and tissue, spongy as it is, if all of this is in a constant state of flux, if it is indeed, a "bag," not a rope, how the hell is one ever going to get a "scientific" objective measurement out of it?

Anyway, the truth must lie somewhere in this box we call life.

P.S. I've been measuring my flaccid dick stretched as hard as I can stretch it, with a hard ruler against the wall, as urged by a fellow P.E.er., so that we're all on the same playing ground playing by the same rules.....and it won't budge from 8.5" bone pressed. That's the bottom line for me.
 
goinfor11x7;288767 said:
There's pure science, i.e. theory, and then there's empirical science, and I guess a mix of the two. Now I'm a poet, and not a scientist, not to say that I have not had some training in the sciences, so here goes: How much of P.E. is pure (or at least partial) fancy and how much of it is based on solid scientific evidence and not anecdotal? Most of it is anecdotal, isn't it?

If we could corral all of the P.E.ers, (or at least a few hundred of them), the ones who are not bull-shitters, but the ones who are taking this whole thing seriously and who are doing their very best to get a bigger penis, and then if we could follow their progress on a daily, weekly, monthly, and annual basis, all of it logged in with objective as possible measuring techniques, with a whole team of measurers, then maybe we would have something.

But I remember reading just recently, DLD saying, since the dimensions of the penis are in a constant state of flux, to take two or three measurements and then draw an average from them.

Maybe that is THE underlying problem. If the penis with its blood, skin, and tissue, spongy as it is, if all of this is in a constant state of flux, if it is indeed, a "bag," not a rope, how the hell is one ever going to get a "scientific" objective measurement out of it?

Anyway, the truth must lie somewhere in this box we call life.

P.S. I've been measuring my flaccid dick stretched as hard as I can stretch it, with a hard ruler against the wall, as urged by a fellow P.E.er., so that we're all on the same playing ground playing by the same rules.....and it won't budge from 8.5" bone pressed. That's the bottom line for me.

Yes the truth is indeed out there but the way its actually supposed to be understood is rather ambiguous,IMO.

You ideas about gathering p.e'ers for a honest study is not a bad one IMO.

So are saying whatever my Bone pressed flacid length measurment is,is the most accurate measurement of how long my dick is?
 
BazookaJoe;288774 said:
So are saying whatever my Bone pressed flacid length measurment is,is the most accurate measurement of how long my dick is?

Yikes, another typo from me. I'm speaking typonease tonight:)

So you are saying whatever my bone pressed flacid length stretched out to maximum is my most accurate cock measurment?
 
BazookaJoe;288777 said:
So you are saying whatever my bone pressed flacid length stretched out to maximum is my most accurate cock measurment?

As far as I know, yes.

Erect length can vary by 1-2 inches on average.

6Inches, are you suggesting the arteries and urethral tract are being pulled from inside the body? Can you use your theory to explain girth gains? How then do people gain with only little stretching or pulling? Where does the penis end anyway? How do you explain gains without the tunica being stretched? What kind of cells make up the CC/CS and how do they grow?

Do tell, You must know...
 
BazookaJoe;288777 said:
Yikes, another typo from me. I'm speaking typonease tonight:)

So you are saying whatever my bone pressed flacid length stretched out to maximum is my most accurate cock measurment?


Uh, huh. That seems to be the best common denominator among us. If you're not happy with this approach, there are others. As always, choose one and stick to it so you can accurately map your gains.
 
Also 6 inches...like drjeckle said...how does pulling the penis out from the pelvis explain girth gains?? But also, how does it explain super length gains like DLD who has gained almost 5 inches. Are u suggesting there is a endless "roll" of penis to simple pull out like loo roll?? It seems much more likely to me that new tissue is being created!!
 
New tissue being created makes all the sense in the world. I think that's why I've made my biggest grains, relatively speaking, in the girth department.
 
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