Does the World Deserve to Know about Penis Enlargement?

as surprising as it may be, most men really dont care enough about the size of their penis to put in the work, no matter how minimal it might be, to enlarge it. all we know about lifting weights and how a simple routine can make you cut in a matter of weeks, people still dont do it cause they really dont care. ive talked about pe with guys before and they know about jelqing and everything but they are either scared of it, too embarrased to do it, or are just like whatever.
if everybody knew, more people do than you think, freaks like us would probably increase a lot at first and then drop off over time, like the jogging craze and what not.

blue1214198203 said:

as surprising as it may be, most men really dont care enough about the size of their penis to put in the work, no matter how minimal it might be, to enlarge it. all we know about lifting weights and how a simple routine can make you cut in a matter of weeks, people still dont do it cause they really dont care. ive talked about pe with guys before and they know about jelqing and everything but they are either scared of it, too embarrased to do it, or are just like whatever.
if everybody knew, more people do than you think, freaks like us would probably increase a lot at first and then drop off over time, like the jogging craze and what not.

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its also really a personal thing, cause i want a bigger penis to make having sex and masturbating more fun, not like those acts alone arent fun in themselves. take basketball, even though a really good vertical isnt absolutely necessary if you got one it makes playing a lot more fun, but then shooting or actually talking and connecting with girls is more important. peopel focus on different parts.

Hey, here's another point. Suppose everyone did know. Suppose everyone did it. It might take the advantage away from people like us, but those guys witn naturally big monster cocks might overdo it. I mean, most chicks have a size limit, so they might actually harm their status among women. Just a thought.

Wannab said:

Most of the men I know would not even consider doing this. They either think they don't need to, or have lost interest in their wives. The sad part is their wives don't agree.

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I have a married friend that just turned 28. I told him about Penis Enlargement and wrote up a small program for him. When I checked back a couple of months ago, he hadn't done anything, telling me he just wasn't interested in sex anymore and didn't care.

I reread this post and a few thoughts jumped into my mind....
1) To say that the "world already knows about Penis Enlargement" is very misleading; what many people know about are the shyster ads (such as the pill peddlers, many of whom are now under federal indictment). As I've said before, I have, to date, met only 1 guy during my 18 months of Penis Enlargement who's done this or was familiar with it. Most people equate Penis Enlargement ads with the "get rich quick" schemes or the "burn fat while you sleep" bullshit. They do NOT *believe* that this stuff is real.

2) If Penis Enlargement would suddenly go public, and subsequently the medical community would not be able to continue ignoring it but would be forced to deal with it seriously, it would be validated. It would no longer be an issue of "believing" - it would become commonly accepted, just like diet & exercise.

3) Questor, I never said that I knew about Penis Enlargement but didn't do it. I've mentioned before that I discovered Penis Enlargement when a bout of mild ED forced me to go online, looking for answers. I kept coming upon all of the Penis Enlargement sites (mostly paysites) and began experimenting with some of the free exercises.

4) randolf, I'll say it again - gym training is much harder than Penis Enlargement. Penis Enlargement can be done while sitting in a lounge chair - watching. Sure, your hands can ache. Big deal. When I used to pound the iron, my whole damn body ached. Penis Enlargement is also fun "private time" - a man & his weiner, alone & happy. I can't honestly say that stretching my yo-yo reminds me of a set of 500-lb olympic-style fullsquats, in the bucket, for reps. Or seated militaries with 300 lbs, or bench presses with over 400 lbs. And your suggestion that Penis Enlargement sessions are 30-90 minutes....Hydromaxmm, I've never gone over about 40 minutes. And I made early gains on about 20 minutes every other day (about 1 hour per week). Again, I've never vomited or screamed from jelqing, I've never required 4 spotters to help with "forced reps" on a V-Stretch, nor have I ever strapped on a lifting belt to perform a set of ulis. Getting to the gym is a big hassle for most folks - like the New Year's Resolution newbs you get. Sure, they "want" a great body, but they quickly fizzle out. I assert that penis size is far more primal that bicep size, and a lot easier to develop.

Let Penis Enlargement become common knowledge and, subsequently, medically validated and there'll be far more guys doing Penis Enlargement than hitting the gyms. I know that thought is too disturbing for some guys to consider, but just look at how many men go under the knife each year in their quests for a bigger cock (thousands!). Many others no doubt would also, but can't afford. Make Penis Enlargement free & available to the masses....and they will use it.

No, the average penis size will not become 8" - but 8" will become a lot more common (and the same with the larger sizes as well). I didn't Penis Enlargement so that I could become average all over again.

I'm with WaxN. I don't think Penis Enlargement needs to be as physically demanding as a serious weightlifting routine. I know a day in the gym is rougher for me.

WaxN said:

I reread this post and a few thoughts jumped into my mind....
1) To say that the "world already knows about Penis Enlargement" is very misleading; what many people know about are the shyster ads (such as the pill peddlers, many of whom are now under federal indictment). As I've said before, I have, to date, met only 1 guy during my 18 months of Penis Enlargement who's done this or was familiar with it. Most people equate Penis Enlargement ads with the "get rich quick" schemes or the "burn fat while you sleep" bullshit. They do NOT *believe* that this stuff is real.

2) If Penis Enlargement would suddenly go public, and subsequently the medical community would not be able to continue ignoring it but would be forced to deal with it seriously, it would be validated. It would no longer be an issue of "believing" - it would become commonly accepted, just like diet & exercise.

3) Questor, I never said that I knew about Penis Enlargement but didn't do it. I've mentioned before that I discovered Penis Enlargement when a bout of mild ED forced me to go online, looking for answers. I kept coming upon all of the Penis Enlargement sites (mostly paysites) and began experimenting with some of the free exercises.

4) randolf, I'll say it again - gym training is much harder than Penis Enlargement. Penis Enlargement can be done while sitting in a lounge chair - watching. Sure, your hands can ache. Big deal. When I used to pound the iron, my whole damn body ached. Penis Enlargement is also fun "private time" - a man & his weiner, alone & happy. I can't honestly say that stretching my yo-yo reminds me of a set of 500-lb olympic-style fullsquats, in the bucket, for reps. Or seated militaries with 300 lbs, or bench presses with over 400 lbs. And your suggestion that Penis Enlargement sessions are 30-90 minutes....Hydromaxmm, I've never gone over about 40 minutes. And I made early gains on about 20 minutes every other day (about 1 hour per week). Again, I've never vomited or screamed from jelqing, I've never required 4 spotters to help with "forced reps" on a V-Stretch, nor have I ever strapped on a lifting belt to perform a set of ulis. Getting to the gym is a big hassle for most folks - like the New Year's Resolution newbs you get. Sure, they "want" a great body, but they quickly fizzle out. I assert that penis size is far more primal that bicep size, and a lot easier to develop.

Let Penis Enlargement become common knowledge and, subsequently, medically validated and there'll be far more guys doing Penis Enlargement than hitting the gyms. I know that thought is too disturbing for some guys to consider, but just look at how many men go under the knife each year in their quests for a bigger cock (thousands!). Many others no doubt would also, but can't afford. Make Penis Enlargement free & available to the masses....and they will use it.

No, the average penis size will not become 8" - but 8" will become a lot more common (and the same with the larger sizes as well). I didn't Penis Enlargement so that I could become average all over again.

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HAHAHAAA forced v-stretch reps with spotters.

Hmm some good points. I don't see how pe will become mainstream though, when the successful ways of doing it do not make profit. Companies make money selling 50$ a month of sawdust or an hour surgery that costs 10k.

So you are always going to have the misinformation. Do a search for pe, you will get 100's of hits for pills or surgery compared to what 3 or 4 ones on the actualy stuff?

The medical community can never endorse anything at this point, because of litigation. Most doctors won't tell you to lift weights directly, because if you broke your back and couldn't work they would be liable, and that could cost them everything. They have a lot to lose and nothing to gain, by saying anything is right or wrong.

Bodybuilding is the same way to an extent. They sell you 4$ of sugar water, that actualy stops your growth hormone production, by the oil tanker worth.

They recommend training routines that are ridiculus overtraining. Infact if you ever got in shape you wouldn't have to keep buying all the sawdust they try to sell you, which would hurt them. People use routines for guys on steroids, not realizing its the steroids that allows them not to overtrain. My point is there is a lot of misinformation. But bodybuilding has made the average person somewhat stronger then they would be with no bodybuilding.

Highly uneven though with a few seeing large results, and most seeing very little.

That is how I look at pe, I can see the average going up some with the knowledge. You may be right about the primal nature of pe, but you were always a physically large guy, if you started out below average in strength, you might put bodybuilding higher then pe.

Catch 22!

If it was kept secret, I would never have found it...

Having said that, now that I do know about it, I want to keep the advantage for myself.

That may make me a heartless bastard...It is said that women like heartless bastards...

I belive what Waxn says about bodybuilding being HARDER than pe, IT IS harder.
I also used to lift alot years ago when I was say 13 to 17 than I stopped , anyways I hammered havy massive weights and it HURT like fuck, it was NO FUN at all my legs were on the verge of packing in, my back was fucked, my biceps they were exploding out, but I nearly killed my self getting their .... pe is alot more easyer, very relaxing at times and ALOT of pleasure when doing erect work.

Just mho anyways.

Sure bodybuilding is more intense than Penis Enlargement, but gains are seen from day 1. With Penis Enlargement it could be a year. People are motivated by results, and Penis Enlargement takes way too long for most people to stick with it.

randolf said:

I can see the average going up some with the knowledge. You may be right about the primal nature of pe, but you were always a physically large guy, if you started out below average in strength, you might put bodybuilding higher then pe.

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This is true to a degree - but I disagree about the part where doctors don't recommend training because they could be liable for injury. That's really not true, as doctors are not certified fitness instructors - that's to be gotten at the gym.

However, regarding the part about "big penis or big pecs"....

I recognize that a guy’s starting size would determine his self-image, to a degree, but I was referring to the “average-sized” guy. To illustrate this point, in a somewhat humorous manner, consider this…

What if you were destined to hear one of these 2 comments from women – which would you prefer to hear?

(1) Damn! I can’t believe your body – you’re built like Arnold. Too bad you have a li’l boy peepee.

OR

(2) You’re the skinniest guy I’ve ever dated, but you have an elephant cock – the biggest I’ve ever seen, by far.

I’d bet that 99.99% of men would chose comment #2. I can’t imagine many guys being happy with 21½” guns, but a 4.2 x 3.25 BPenis EnlargementL. That’s why I’ve said that penis size is far more primal, far more personal to men than is muscle-building.

- W a x N

quijjiboo said:

Sure bodybuilding is more intense than Penis Enlargement, but gains are seen from day 1. With Penis Enlargement it could be a year. People are motivated by results, and Penis Enlargement takes way too long for most people to stick with it.

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imo i dont think gains from pe should take a year. i think that we as a community all over the interent have the wrong theories being applied to training routines. the penis isnt a muscle but its growth works in a very similar way as to with building muscle mass or expanding the spongy tissue. i dont think newbie gains are newbie gains, i think its simply not training so hard that recovery cant be achieved and then once they gain they increase the intensity and retard growth cutting down on recovery time with increased breaking down of the tissues, leading to less gains. i really think we need to rexamine the mindset of heat, training everyday, pushing blood in for over 20 minutes, and so on. im not saying these things are wrong, but i think we should really take a serious look at this instead of just maintaining such a pessimistic view, no offense.

blue1214198203 said:

imo i dont think gains from pe should take a year. i think that we as a community all over the interent have the wrong theories being applied to training routines. the penis isnt a muscle but its growth works in a very similar way as to with building muscle mass or expanding the spongy tissue. i dont think newbie gains are newbie gains, i think its simply not training so hard that recovery cant be achieved and then once they gain they increase the intensity and retard growth cutting down on recovery time with increased breaking down of the tissues, leading to less gains. i really think we need to rexamine the mindset of heat, training everyday, pushing blood in for over 20 minutes, and so on. im not saying these things are wrong, but i think we should really take a serious look at this instead of just maintaining such a pessimistic view, no offense.

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I agree blue12, the key ultimately is this. What challenges can you present to the penis that the best ways of meeting these challenges is to add size. Then what is the adequate time worked out vs. rest time to add that size for your body. Thirdly changing the challenge to another one that the the best way of meeting it would be to add size, every 4-6 months.

This is when I started exploding in bodybuilding. I realized I wanted to add 'mass'. Pushups, makes your chest stronger, but your body cuts down bodyweight to make the exercise easier. Chinups same thing. Say you were just working on your back and biceps, chinups would be great. But if you want a whole body mass gain, you need to forget challenging yourself with your own bodyweight.

This includes running, stairmaster, biking, climbing, anything like that. I see people work their ass off for 45 minutes in the gym, then do 30 minutes on the bike. Not surprisingly they are platueaed at like 160-175 pounds. I see people doing this with climbing to, they are wirey, and can lift their own now smaller frames easily, but when it comes to buffness they are small. I've seen womens reactions to me and others, and they like the big and strong. Just like with cocks they like huge and hard.

That was reason why with bodybuilding it took me a time to decide what to do, because I did not know what women wanted. I saw in adds androgenous models made out that this was sexy. But in my real life I began noticing that attractive women tended to date above average size and strength men. I watched this in nightclubs, I go to places like that when nothing is going on and just observe. As for penis size women don't want to marry some small guy. They want a very large and hard man, who will own their pussy everynight.

I wonder if jelqing for 20 minutes straight, is analogous to working a weight on your chest for 20 minutes. That won't make you big. It will make your cardiovascular system efficient but you will not gain mass.

Once you get this concept of body adaptation, its just a matter of finding the challenges. And giving enough rest time for growth. The problem is although when you understand this principle its beautiful in its simplicity, if you don't get it, you are highly susceptable to misinformation.

Lifting that weight off your chest for 30 minutes instead of 20 minutes, isn't going to add a pound of muscle. Nor could you substantialy ever raise the weight.

Penis Enlargement still takes much too long before results show so most people will quit that before quitting bodybuilding that's what I was trying to say.

But about needing more recovery, I don't see anybody doing brief infrequent workouts making extraordinary gains. The people who make those gains are the ones who spend a shitload of time Penis Enlargement'ing.

I think the analogy of Penis Enlargement to bodybuilding should be forgotten, creates too much confusion..

randolf said:

This includes running, stairmaster, biking, climbing, anything like that. I see people work their ass off for 45 minutes in the gym, then do 30 minutes on the bike. Not surprisingly they are platueaed at like 160-175 pounds.

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Here is a question:

I am just making a return to the weight room after a long abscence. And I've been at it for over a month, not just a couple of workouts. :cool: It's a start. I've basically been following the Body For Life weight routine. I would like to try Mike Mentzer's High Intensity Training, though I think I should get into a basic routine and used to lifting before I attempt it. I am obsessed with getting rid of this extremely stubborn fat, about 70 lbs. of it. The real reason I am motivated to gain muscle mass is so that more muscle will help burn the fat on my body. I have no real ambitions for Dorian Yates type muscle mass, though I wouldn't mind a little more than I have. However, I am determined to get my bodyfat percentage into the single digits someday. I love to do cardio. On a good week, I'll do cardio 5-6 days, because I am, for lack of a better term, emotionally addicted to the anticipated results. The problem is that cardio work heavily involves the lower body. Will I kill my size gains if I do 20-30 minutes or so of cardio after a lower body weight workout? If so, how long must I wait? For example, could I lift with my legs at 2:00 pm, go to work, then exercise when I get home around 3:00 am?

quijjiboo said:

Penis Enlargement still takes much too long before results show so most people will quit that before quitting bodybuilding that's what I was trying to say.

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LOL! Yeah, I didn't notice any changes for about 4 or 5 days (bigger flaccid, thicker erections). And it took me a whole month to gain 1/2" erect girth, and about 5 months for my first erect inch.

Less than 15 months into (sporadic) Penis Enlargement, I have increased my penile size by nearly 71% more volume [6.12 x 5.2 = 13.17 ci.......7.55 x 6.12 = 22.5 ci]. Had I been more consistent, I'm sure those gains would've come sooner.

Why don't I continue to hit the gym? Because it's too hard, compared to Penis Enlargement, and I care more about my dong than my "most muscular" pose.

penguinsfan said:

Here is a question:

I am just making a return to the weight room after a long abscence. And I've been at it for over a month, not just a couple of workouts. :cool: It's a start. I've basically been following the Body For Life weight routine. I would like to try Mike Mentzer's High Intensity Training, though I think I should get into a basic routine and used to lifting before I attempt it. I am obsessed with getting rid of this extremely stubborn fat, about 70 lbs. of it. The real reason I am motivated to gain muscle mass is so that more muscle will help burn the fat on my body. I have no real ambitions for Dorian Yates type muscle mass, though I wouldn't mind a little more than I have. However, I am determined to get my bodyfat percentage into the single digits someday. I love to do cardio. On a good week, I'll do cardio 5-6 days, because I am, for lack of a better term, emotionally addicted to the anticipated results. The problem is that cardio work heavily involves the lower body. Will I kill my size gains if I do 20-30 minutes or so of cardio after a lower body weight workout? If so, how long must I wait? For example, could I lift with my legs at 2:00 pm, go to work, then exercise when I get home around 3:00 am?

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hehe ya dorian yates was somewhat before my time, but that guy is insane.

You are definately on the right track from what I've read. Higher muscle mass will make it much easier to burn off and keep off fat. Like to be honest I have a bit of a gut at the moment, but my muscles eat a lot of calories a day so it keeps it in check.

I have read body for life, and my father has done it as well. I think it is a great diet for a 3-6 month period for dropping fat, and maintaining or even slightly increasing muscle mass. However if you look at people who have been on it for a long time they aren't very healthy. It lacks a lot of the essential fatty acids to make it sustainable.

They do get tremendous results for those 3-6 months though. It is probably a great diet for you to go on, for that period.

Cardio is a good thing, I could use more of it to be honest. It keeps your circulatory system healthy, plus flushes your system out of crap that gets stuck in it. Makes you more 'efficient' basicaly. I would recommend doing things like rowing and stairmaster, things that your bodyweight is only partialy an obstacle to. And also with these the key as with progressive resistance, is to progressively increase the difficulty when you are able to.

I saw very good cardio improvement doing the rowing machine 3 days a week for 15 minutes a while back. I made one mistake doing it in moving up the intensity to fast, but still I was able to 'row' substantialy farther in that 15 minutes then when I first started.

As for the legs then cardio, I think right after a leg workout you would have severe trouble pushing your legs on a cardio workout. I don't think the cardio would really screw up the recovery, it would just make a more intensive workout. But imo you would see much more gains doing a more intense cardio workout with some time in between.

Also you might want to look at goals too. I have read a lot on hormones and fat, for men and women. For an adult man I think a healthy fat is about 15%. For some men with heavy builds and lots of muscle as high as 18% is very healthy. For smaller builds and less muscle, 12% is ideal. If you start going below your ideal body fat percentage, your anabolic hormones like testosterone start to drop, as your body gets 'uncomfortable'. The people you see their abs on, are usualy pretty small guys, or larger guys that take roids. Therefore they don't care what their bodies response is they are exogenous taking it anyway.

If you have 70 pounds of fat to lose you are probably a large man, so at 17% bodyfat lets say and say you are 250 pounds, carrying 42.5 pounds of bodyfat would be very healthy. And keep in mind fat is 9 times more volumous then muscle per pound so it might look like you are carrying a good deal of bodyfat, but for your build that would be very healthy.

Oh ya as for HIT, I like that style, and if I were you I'd spend a few weeks working the weights lightly and making sure you have great form. Even like 3 weeks just playing around with them, and also starting with the right amount of weight. No rush. Then when you are ready starting it and seeing the progress over like 6 months.

Thats what I'm coming to realize with pe, I understand bodybuilding well largely from trying things and screwing up, and reading theories.. but with Penis Enlargement I haven't the experience. I have to look at it like, if I gained .4 girth in six months, and .25 length that would be phenomenal! I suffered from I want to see .25 in two weeks!, that is a bit unrealistic, its something you get a program that you know works like DLD's and just build at it slowly over time.

penguinsfan said:

For example, could I lift with my legs at 2:00 pm, go to work, then exercise when I get home around 3:00 am?

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Oh ya I forgot to answer this question. In my opinion that would work well. In honesty you could do the cardio after the leg workout, I think its mainly you would just be burned out. Plus I know for me I would not want to workout as much and it would be harder to do my leg sets, knowing I have a cardio workout to do after them. The key is having enough time, rest, nutrients that you can give the cardio a good workout.

It sounds like you quite enjoy cardio, so it will relieve stress. Stress is one of the most important factors for getting a good body. You have to have low stress especialy for gaining muscle. I can see doing a tough cardio workout before bed, sort of flush out the stress, and make you physically tired, so you can sleep well.

That is one reason people can't sleep very well, is because they aren't physically very tired. I would suggest with the cardio to, go hard but say if on thursday you don't match your tuesday, don't worry about it, its the increasing ability over time. This may not be an issue for you anyway, but for me it was a big thing, because I'd get discouragd if I didn't meet the last times workout.
I can see for you doing 5 cardio workouts a week like you are doing now. But I'd make them different types, like : row, stairmaster, cross country ski machine.. repeat. And at 5 times a week this will put in a natural change because the day you do each will be change.
And don't worry about the calories you burn doing the workout, its the energy your body uses to transform your body, and the energy over time the new muscle burns. And even more so the cardio vascular health. Not to mention the ability increase of having more endurance and more power.

WaxN said:

LOL! Yeah, I didn't notice any changes for about 4 or 5 days (bigger flaccid, thicker erections). And it took me a whole month to gain 1/2" erect girth, and about 5 months for my first erect inch.

Less than 15 months into (sporadic) Penis Enlargement, I have increased my penile size by nearly 71% more volume [6.12 x 5.2 = 13.17 ci.......7.55 x 6.12 = 22.5 ci]. Had I been more consistent, I'm sure those gains would've come sooner.

Why don't I continue to hit the gym? Because it's too hard, compared to Penis Enlargement, and I care more about my dong than my "most muscular" pose.

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Congratulations!! Your results are not typical

From what I see, the average is roughly 1" in the first year, if not, enlighten me

The average is only that cos of effort, dont expect to just gain 1 inch from doing it .... most put effort in and thats why they gain an average of 1 inch.

I still say Bodybuilding is HARDER than doing pe, ya cant say lifting weights [500lb's] and jogging in Icy weather is EASYER than simply pullin ya cock? but its YOUR opinion, fair do's.

All respect to ya, belive as ya belive.

cya