Circulation at heavier weights

million,

>BIB, I did not know that it was ok for the skin to come over the glans as I associated this with the wrap coming over so I assumed the same rule applied.<

Well, if you start the wrap at least one inch behind the glans, and are using sufficient weight, then the skin in front of the wrap will ride over the glans, but the wrap will probably not.

The tightness of the hanger, and the amount of weight used, determine how far down the hanger will go, and how much skin will ride over the head. It seems for the majority of my hanging career, I used enough weight to almost always have skin riding over the head while hanging. But the wrap never would.

Also, as I became longer, I moved the start of the wrap, and therefore the hanger placement, gradually back toward the base. This would tend to allow more skin to ride over the head.

>I want to have a restored Foreskin and I totally agree with you on the benefits of it as I stay mostly covered except for the very end of the head.<

As a 48 YO guy, whose head was uncovered for the first 43 years or so of my life, I can tell you it is amazing. The head was truly never designed to be uncovered.

I can see reasons to be circumsized. I suppose there are advantages. But regrowing the skin gives the best of all worlds.

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MM,i gained an inch in the first 6 months of pe from manual stretching and jelqing,then saw no gains for the next year and a half apart from a slight girth gain.

I was at the point of calling it a day when i saw the thread on how to make a home made Bib over at �other forum�,i made one and loved the feel so much that i ordered a Bib regular after only a week of hanging.

Even though i had the wrap and setup totally wrong and was only using light weights,i still made a gain of quater of an inch in the first 2 months,seeing gains after so long was very satifiying,since then its been a learning curve with quite a few set backs,im only half an inch away from my goal and if it takes another year to get there then it will be worth it.

The main downside to hanging for me is finding the time,i have two young children which means having to hang very early on a morning or late on a night time,this week i leave for work at 6am but i'm up at 4.30am to do my first session then at about 8.30pm will start my second session.

Being uncut has caused problem in the past with getting the wrap right and slippage and ive got an excess of skin at the tip now of maybe half an inch which makes it slightly more awkward but i find wrapping very easy now.

It's kind of weird when you think about hanging. You are literally hanging weights off the end of your penis to make it longer, and it's been the best method for me as far as total amount of time goes and total gains so far, not to mention how I can multi-task (to a degree) with my bib starter on.

I've finally figured out how to wrap, and then I thought you couldn't have skin coming over the head if you were uncut. Thanks to Bib for making that clear and I'm back on track and feeling good about this (not that I ever felt like giving up), and I don't mind tinkering with my hanger and figuring things out. It's about what works best, and then if it doesn't seem to work anymore try something a bit different if not completely different (like change angles) and it's actually a lot of fun. Congrats on the gains PA, it sounds like it's been a lot of work but you have a great attitude. I hope you reach your goal. What is your goal btw?

BIB, I've been struggling with my wrap as I am having to set my wrap a bit farther back on my shaft so that the hanger still sits on the shoulders of the shaft. This is all because of the skin growth I've been experiencing over the last few weeks and months. I'm still hanging at 10-12.5 lbs, but I'm having a hard time reaching 20 minutes because the head was not receiving good ciculation, one set yesterday at 5 lbs the glans was so cold at about 20 minutes that I was a bit scared. I think this was more to do with the hanger tightness and the relatively light load.

What I did to remedy my total time problem was to set my wrap a bit further back and set the hanger up in the middle of the wrap. Since I'm hanging currently the glans is sitting in the well with skin nearly covering the entire glans, and there is no pressure on the glans at all. I am feeling the load in the internal structures, and even though my base skin is stretched downward it does not seem to be carrying much of the load. The hanger is set at about an inch or so behind the glans, and I have to say I feel pretty good about hanging a bit heavier with this setup now, as it doesn't feel like the hanger is going to slip off. I think the main problem was the hanger sitting too far forward and the weight needing a bit more room to sit on the shoulders, so it was slipping down a bit too far forcing the head to sustain a good deal of the load limiting circulation.

Now to my question. How did you deal with turkey neck when you were wrapping? I'm wrapping pretty far back on the shaft and it's right at the edge to midline of my turkey neck where I am setting the wrap.

I'm still wondering about when to move up in weight. 12.5 lbs feels pretty heavy and 10 lbs usually is pretty comfortable to wear but is still a load. You've made suggestions before, but I should ask when do you know that a certain weight is no longer effective?

BIB, I'm also having trouble with bruising around my circ scar. It was usually this way when I was doing girth work, but I'm wondering what could be causing this and if you have any ideas as to what I could do to possibly prevent it? It's sort of painful after a few sets, but if I take my wrap off and BTB jelq the bruising usually fades a good deal, if you have any suggestions they would be much appreciated.

millionman said:

Congrats on the gains PA, it sounds like it's been a lot of work but you have a great attitude. I hope you reach your goal. What is your goal btw?

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8 inches nbp

6 inches girth mid shaft

million,

It sounds like you have things working for you. Developing the ability to grasp the internal structures, and form the shoulders, is key.

>Now to my question. How did you deal with turkey neck when you were wrapping? I'm wrapping pretty far back on the shaft and it's right at the edge to midline of my turkey neck where I am setting the wrap. <

For much of my hanging career, I just wrapped over it, bunching the skin with the wrap, to avoid pinching. But when I began hanging at the upper angles, especially OTS, I developed the scrotum wrapping technique, to stretch the bottom shaft skin, and help remove the turkey neck. This effectively gave me more skin on the bottom of my shaft, to allow the scrotal skin to be further back.

>I'm still wondering about when to move up in weight. 12.5 lbs feels pretty heavy and 10 lbs usually is pretty comfortable to wear but is still a load. You've made suggestions before, but I should ask when do you know that a certain weight is no longer effective?<

I always went totally by feel. If I was not getting a good stretch, not reaching fatigue, I would move up slightly in weight, until I reached a level that did bring on fatigue. By the same token, if that weight became too intense, I would reduce the wieght. I NEVER hung weight to just try and hang more. In this instance, more is not better. Just enough weight to deform the tissues is better.

>BIB, I'm also having trouble with bruising around my circ scar. It was usually this way when I was doing girth work, but I'm wondering what could be causing this and if you have any ideas as to what I could do to possibly prevent it? It's sort of painful after a few sets, but if I take my wrap off and BTB jelq the bruising usually fades a good deal, if you have any suggestions they would be much appreciated.<

It sounds like discoloration rather than bruising. Bruising is more severe, and indicates a blunt force injury. There is a difference. When I started, my unit was pasty white, except for a slightly darker circ scar. Now, it has much more color over the entire shaft, and my circ scar is darker still. I really like the darker color.

The reason for the darker color at the circ scar is because that is the area just forward of the attachment point, where great pressure is created. This pressure pushes blood platlets into the skin, resulting in discoloration.

Two things seemed to help me with removal of these platlets. One was Arnica Montana gel. The other was wrapping to remove discoloration. That is, wrapping below the area discolored, with enough tension, to make the upper shaft and head swell. As with pumping, this area would eventually begin to have a good fluid buildup. This fluid buildup seemed to have 'washed' the accumulated blood away. At least, that is my theory.

At any rate, I always kept my eye on things, but did not worry about the after effects, color of the shaft. I knew it would heal after ceasing the stresses, and it did. As far as the appearance of my unit, I did not worry about that either. All penis' are different. Many are naturally colored in the same fashion hanging provided. The only people that might notice anything are those that had seen the color before Penis Enlargement.

As far as discomfort goes, this is a natural thing. The skin, as with anything else in the body, must adapt to the stresses. As stress increases, the adaptation must advance. If skin discomfort becomes too great, you must either reduce the stress, the weight, or stop for the day.

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Solid post BIB as always.

Could you explain a bit on the scrotal wrap?

I have a similar idea as far as attaching the wrap below the effected area, and it seems to cause a bit of build up and the discoloration is less after this set, usually.

I've noticed the last few days that 10 lbs seems a bit heavy. Any ideas as to why this is, or what is occurring?

million,

>Could you explain a bit on the scrotal wrap?<

Just cut piece of jersey cloth, sweat shirt cloth, about 2x whateveryouneed, perhaps 18-24 inches. Then, grasp the scrotum in an OK grip, with your balls in your palm, the finger and thumb around the top of the scrotum, gathering all the skin. Then, pinch the leading edge of the wrap between your forefinger and thumb, and begin wrapping around the top of the scrotum. After a couple of passes, you can begin spiralling the wrap down toward your ball. When finished, the last pass, or couple of passes, should be right at the top of the balls.

When beginning, you may not have enough skin to spiral down. That's ok.

So now, all of the scrotal skin is collected, and any outward stress on the shaft will stretch the bottom shaft skin.


>I've noticed the last few days that 10 lbs seems a bit heavy. Any ideas as to why this is, or what is occurring?<

Is the discomfort from hanging attachment, or from fatigue? If fatigue, reduce the weight a bit, and continue on. If from attachment, then we need to isolate the reason. If from attachment, and everything is proper, then you may need to give a bit of time for your soft tissues to adapt to the increased stresses.

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I'm fine now, as I think I was a bit fatigued from the extended session I had the day before. I think I'm soon to have to cut down on my total time hanging. What do you reccomend as far as having to cut down on time and working to see results?

I like the idea of the scrotum wrap. I have a good excess of skin as my balls hang pretty low. I will probably give this a shot at some point, or heck I may do it tomorrow since I have some extra self-adhering ace wrap left it may be an interesting thing to try.

Bib, when you were hanging initially did you have hair crawling up your shaft along with your length gains? I'm seeing this a good bit right now, so I'm keeping it shaved back at the moment. Any suggestions on getting it to sit back a bit?

Does BTC hanging grow the tunica at all??? I'm almost sure it's about time to change angles, but then again I thought this about two-three weeks ago and I'm up almost .25 FSL since then. I use my belly button as a mile marker, and I measure after I see improvement in my Standing upward stretched length, that way it prevents me from measuring all the time, so I use a reference point as my belly button is 8" even from the base of my crotch. I'm measuring BPFSL at a bit over 8.25 now, but it honestly seems like my flaccid hang is just starting to catch up and I think that has been one of the coolest effects so far.

million,

>Bib, when you were hanging initially did you have hair crawling up your shaft along with your length gains? I'm seeing this a good bit right now, so I'm keeping it shaved back at the moment. Any suggestions on getting it to sit back a bit?<

No suggestions. I have a lot of hair going up several inches. It's great. I keep it trimmed to about 1/8-1/4 inch with a beard trimmer, and it works like a french tickler. The wife loves it.

>Does BTC hanging grow the tunica at all???<

Yes, it will stress the outer tunica. The distance depends on how far back before the ligs start taking the stress. Now, if you have a very low LOT, then that could be a long way back. If you had no ligs at all, it would stress the entire tunica.

>I'm almost sure it's about time to change angles, but then again I thought this about two-three weeks ago and I'm up almost .25 FSL since then. I use my belly button as a mile marker, and I measure after I see improvement in my Standing upward stretched length, that way it prevents me from measuring all the time, so I use a reference point as my belly button is 8" even from the base of my crotch. I'm measuring BPFSL at a bit over 8.25 now, but it honestly seems like my flaccid hang is just starting to catch up and I think that has been one of the coolest effects so far.<

That is really great. Congratulations? All the work with the adjustments was worth it, huh?

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Bib said:

million,

>Now to my question. How did you deal with turkey neck when you were wrapping? I'm wrapping pretty far back on the shaft and it's right at the edge to midline of my turkey neck where I am setting the wrap. <

For much of my hanging career, I just wrapped over it, bunching the skin with the wrap, to avoid pinching. But when I began hanging at the upper angles, especially OTS, I developed the scrotum wrapping technique, to stretch the bottom shaft skin, and help remove the turkey neck. This effectively gave me more skin on the bottom of my shaft, to allow the scrotal skin to be further back.


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What is a turkey neck?

Bib said:

dex,

>can you please post the links to the two other tests besides the lot test?
The exit point test and the other one, i do not know how to call it.<

I have no idea where they are. I am sure I did not start new threads to write about them, so they are embedded in other threads. But they are not complicated or difficult.

I fairly well explained them above. But if you need further explanation, just ask.

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I still completly do not understand the other two tests.
Please can you explain them again?

Turkey neck occurs when the scrotum skin starts to ride up on the shaft as the skin grows forward.

DEX, you may need to do a search on the Board for the threads BIB is talking about. LOT is fairly easy to test for as you just pull your penis forward and kegel. If you see movement at a certain point on the angle clock you lower it a bit from that point and repeat the process until there is no more movement when you kegel. It can be a bit difficult to ascertain precisely where the cessation of movement is, but it can be done if you're paying close attention to what the movement looks like and then when it stops should be quite different. This is the easiest of the two tests so I would keep to this one, but I do think �other forum� has more info on the other possible tests.

BIB, working with the adjustments have made a big difference. Can you tell me a bit about toe in/out and what this means as far as the setup goes, and where the load is received?

I think I'm going to have to take a break from hanging for a few days because of the t-vein. It doesn't feel as hard or rough as it did about a week or so ago, but the area is a bit more tender than usual so I'm going to leave it be till it goes back to normal. Shouldn't be a huge deal though. I have kind of gotten a bit tired of sitting in front of my computer screen for more than a few hours at a time, maybe when I start back, which will probably be around Friday or Saturday, I can instead sit in front of the TV...LOL since that's so much better than a computer. It would be great if my Comp got cable like my room mate had going into his lap top.

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DEX, you may need to do a search on the Board for the threads BIB is talking about. LOT is fairly easy to test for as you just pull your penis forward and kegel. If you see movement at a certain point on the angle clock you lower it a bit from that point and repeat the process until there is no more movement when you kegel. It can be a bit difficult to ascertain precisely where the cessation of movement is, but it can be done if you're paying close attention to what the movement looks like and then when it stops should be quite different. This is the easiest of the two tests so I would keep to this one, but I do think �other forum� has more info on the other possible tests.

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Thank you millionman,
but i understand the main idea of the LOT test.
I do not understand the two other tests bib came up with.

millionman said:

Turkey neck occurs when the scrotum skin starts to ride up on the shaft as the skin grows forward.

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I have this also. When i strecth my unit, it is 1 inch before the glans.
Is a turkey neck bad?

Not necessarily bad, but it is unsightly in my and many other's opinions. For the last year I've been ball jelqing and stretching my scrotum downwards, and many times will stretch my penis forward while pulling my scrotum down and back towards my body which stretches the shaft skin and helps to bring the turkey neck back. Stertching the shaft skin will help with this also. Try ball jelqing for a time if your t-neck is bad and see if it helps, but also add with that stretching the penis forward and grasping the testicles and pull them down and back towards the body. This should help if your t-neck is a problem.

dex,

You will have to ask specific questions about the tests. I explained them about as good as I know how.

million,

>BIB, working with the adjustments have made a big difference. Can you tell me a bit about toe in/out and what this means as far as the setup goes, and where the load is received?<

It really has more to do with upper shaft shape, both the tunica in internal structures. I designed the hangers so that a guy with any shape could get a good attachment. A guy with a cone shaped penis may need a different toe than a guy with a baseball bat shaped penis. They each have different options using the hanger adjustments..

But then, I have heard of cone shaped guys that like a toe-out, and BB shped guys that like a toe-in. You really must go by feel, and performance. I always recommend trying different things to see how you like them.

>I think I'm going to have to take a break from hanging for a few days because of the t-vein. It doesn't feel as hard or rough as it did about a week or so ago, but the area is a bit more tender than usual so I'm going to leave it be till it goes back to normal. Shouldn't be a huge deal though. I have kind of gotten a bit tired of sitting in front of my computer screen for more than a few hours at a time, maybe when I start back, which will probably be around Friday or Saturday, I can instead sit in front of the TV...LOL since that's so much better than a computer. It would be great if my Comp got cable like my room mate had going into his lap top.<

When you get ready to start again, remember not to start back at the same intensity. Work into it a bit. The soft tissues usually do not take long to decondition.

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