Circulation at heavier weights

9x7,

>Question for you. I recently stopped hanging as I was told that hanging will do little to increase my girth size (5.25 msg currently). I'm starting on DLD's program here as soon as the package comes. Should I also continue to hang?<

Well, I really have no idea. Do you want to increase length? If so, I would recommend doing that first with hanging. Then, you can work on girth when you shift to maintanence hanging.

Hanging did nothing for my mid-shaft girth, but it did increase my base girth.

>Been hanging religiously for 5 months. Total Penis Enlargement time for 9 months. Thanks for the advice.<

How did it go during those 5 months of hanging? Did you gain?

million,

>What do you think about the addition of the PA workout to the hanging regimen?<

I have no experience, or knowledge about the PA. I am not familiar with even the purpose or mechanics. Sorry.

Bigger

The PA is just a way to help gain leverage for different stretches, like the A stretch and there are some with other names that DLD came up with that work really well for hitting the tunica. I'm using it to target my tunica not too heavily but hopefully enough to keep on growing without transitioning to different angles just yet. What do you think of the Expressive Stretch theory, I saw you had chimed in a bit but you haven't said much on it since.

Bib:

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I did gain in those 5 months, in fact more so than when I manually stretched. Went from 7" to 7.5" in 5 month period. I actually enjoyed hanging as I found it very relaxing. Decided to start up again tomorrow.

million,

>What do you think of the Expressive Stretch theory, I saw you had chimed in a bit but you haven't said much on it since.<

Once again, you have the advantage. I do not remember that thread, much less responding to it, though I surely could have. Do you have a link?

9x7,

>Went from 7" to 7.5" in 5 month period. I actually enjoyed hanging as I found it very relaxing. Decided to start up again tomorrow.<

That sounds great!

Bigger

Here's the thread http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17210

I am interested to hear what you have to say on this.

Bib:

Well, I did start back this morning bro. Did two 20 minute sessions, 1 set at 18 lbs, the second at 15lbs. Man, did I feel the fatigue Bib. It felt AWESOME! Going for another 1.5 hours today. Feels to great to hang again!

9x7,

>Well, I did start back this morning bro. Did two 20 minute sessions, 1 set at 18 lbs, the second at 15lbs. Man, did I feel the fatigue Bib. It felt AWESOME! Going for another 1.5 hours today. Feels to great to hang again<

That sounds good. But be careful if you took a good deal of time off. Those weights are rather agressive, and you may encounter some soft tissue problems. It does not take to long for the soft tissues to become weaker, and not able to handle the stresses. So, you may need to start a bit slower, and work your way up.

Bigger

Thanks for the response Bib. In all honesty, I only took 5 days off from actual weight hanging and my first set felt so good. The stretch felt great. In fact I'm hanging right now while typing this post and the stretch I'm feeling is incredible. It just feels good! Kind of like the your first trip back to the gym after 3 or 4 days of thorough rest. Just feels great!

million,

>I am interested to hear what you have to say on this.<

Well, I read through all eight pages, and I still am not sure of what is going on. But I believe it all concerns simply pulling the inner penis out and down, dropping the entire package.

I do understand the descriptions of �naked people movies� stars, and the way their units look. This is something I have commented on before. In general, you will find almost all �naked people movies� stars have extremely low LOTs, low exit points, almost their entire packages outside the body.

I began my Penis Enlargement career with an extremely high package. Just a nub of a flaccid outside the body, that could grow into a six incher with an erection. I have written about my pelvic Xray in my 20's, where I thought the Dr had the wrong plate because of the size of my unit that could be plainly seen, although faint. There was just too much penis there for it to be me.

I now know that the tissue shown on the plate was mainly inner penis, that through my later Penis Enlargement efforts, I was able to pull out. I did this mainly through BTC hanging, stretching all of the connective tissues, the various ligaments that held my penis close to my body.

You see, every single guy has the following in common: His shaft starts at about his anus ( the bulbs of the penis), and travels across to underneath the bottom of the pubic bone. That is a given. After that, genetics determines what happens next.

Depending on the length and tightness of the ligs and other connective tissue, the shaft may do one of many things: The extremes are: Either exit close to, or even below, the bottom of the pubic bone, a low LOT, and low exit point, or; be firmly attached to the bottom of the pubic bone, and the front face of the pubic bone, and travel up the front face of the pubic bone, to finally exit at the bottom of the abdomen (a very high LOT and exit point). Any particular guy can be at either of those extremes, or anywhere in between.

I have written about a couple of tests that each guy can do to determine his relative amount of inner penis. One was the LOT test to determine the most advantageous angle to hang. Another was to find the point where the shaft comes under the pubic bone, and then measure the distance from there to the exit point. Another was to take a front on pic of the pelvis, draw lines down the groinal grooves where the legs attach to find the bottom of the pubic bone, and then estimate the distance from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point. The point of all of this was to see how much could be accomplished by dropping the entire package through hanging at the lower angles.

The reason that hanging at the lower angles is so effective for this procedure is that everything that needs to be stressed, can be stressed by attaching to the outer penis shaft and hanging BTC. If you attach a hanger to the outer penis, and hang BTC, gravity will eventually stretch every structure which holds the male genatalia close to the body, given that enough stress is used. This includes the skin, and the fundiform ligs which attach the scrotum to the bottom of the penis shaft. It is very efficient.

Now, a guy that already has a low LOT, exit point, everything outside of the body, will not accomplish much more through working at the lower angles. But he can still gain by stressing the entire tunica. This is most efficiently done through working at the upper angles, taking the ligs and other connective tissues out of the equation.

I hope this helps. It is about all I know.

Bigger

million,

Forgot something. Kind of the reason for the entire post:

After two years of hanging, mainly BTC and SO, I did drop my entire package to where it is almost entirely outside my body. My exit point is low.

9x7,

OK, that sounds better. It sounds like you are getting a good stretch. Have fun!

Bigger

Bib said:

I have written about a couple of tests that each guy can do to determine his relative amount of inner penis. One was the LOT test to determine the most advantageous angle to hang. Another was to find the point where the shaft comes under the pubic bone, and then measure the distance from there to the exit point. Another was to take a front on pic of the pelvis, draw lines down the groinal grooves where the legs attach to find the bottom of the pubic bone, and then estimate the distance from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point.

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Hi bib,
can you please post the links to the two other tests besides the lot test?
The exit point test and the other one, i do not know how to call it.

dex,

>can you please post the links to the two other tests besides the lot test?
The exit point test and the other one, i do not know how to call it.<

I have no idea where they are. I am sure I did not start new threads to write about them, so they are embedded in other threads. But they are not complicated or difficult.

I fairly well explained them above. But if you need further explanation, just ask.

Bigger

Hey BIB did you jelq and hang when you were just going for length? I was thinking of adding the jelq in with my routine probably in the evening time so that as my penis grows there's an increased amount of blood to the area, or should I just stick with hanging only?

million,

>Hey BIB did you jelq and hang when you were just going for length? I was thinking of adding the jelq in with my routine probably in the evening time so that as my penis grows there's an increased amount of blood to the area, or should I just stick with hanging only?<

I did generally BTB jelqing between sets, enough to return full circulation. If I happened to unwrap, I would do perhaps five minutes of jelqing to return full circulation. Then, at the end of my session, I would do 10-20 minutes of light jelqing to be sure everything was working properly, and return full circulation.

I never really jelqed for gains. But I believe the circulation benefits of jelqing are tremendous. I also believe jelqing helps express the gains from other Penis Enlargement.

Bigger

Can you explain BTB jelqing???

You weren't doing wet jelqs in between sets, were you?

When you say express the gains from other Penis Enlargement, are you meaning that in the sense of aiding in the expression of tunica gains, as well as the ciruclatory benefits?

million,

>Can you explain BTB jelqing???<

BTB = Behind the Balls jelqing. Jelqing the true inner shaft from the bulbs up to the pubic bone. I use my thumb and first two fingers to push blood up to, and past the wrap. Also, I believe this helped with inner shaft girth to an extent, at least helping circulation.

>You weren't doing wet jelqs in between sets, were you?<

No, totally dry.

>When you say express the gains from other Penis Enlargement, are you meaning that in the sense of aiding in the expression of tunica gains, as well as the ciruclatory benefits?<

Well, the circulatory benefits are what allow the expression of the tunica gains. This is the way I thought about it while Penis Enlargementing, and I still believe it is valid: Just because you increase the overall size of the tunica, in length or girth, does not mean that each guy has the blood supply to express the added potential gains. I am sure there are guys, especially younger guys, that would have no problem with this. Or for guys that make smaller gains.

But during my periods of gains, I do not believe I saw the true erect gains from the work for quite a while, because of a lack of blood supply. This was manefest by slightly larger, but softer erections, or a good increase in flaccid measurements without a corresponding increase in erect measurements.

I believe that jelqing, especially BTB jelqing, is a form of manual angioplasty. I had one experience while doing this where I felt something break loose inside my inner shaft, and race all the way to the head, then back into my body. I realized fairly quickly that something had broken loose inside a vessel, and expected to have a stroke. hehe. Seriously, I was concerned for a while.

Especially for older guys, I think BTB jelqing really helps with total circulation, cleaning and enlarging vessels, allowing more blood into the shaft, and helping to express gains.

Simply by feel, I realized my inner shaft became much larger in girth over a period of time from this. The inner shaft made much greater, and easier gains in girth, than the outer shaft over my Penis Enlargement career. I remember a post I made on the old, old Penis Enlargementforums about my inner shaft feeling like a drilling pipe between my legs. It is still like that.

Bigger

BTB jelqing is where you reach down behind the balls (scrotum) reaching up with your thumb and two largest fingers jelq up towards the head, but the range of motion stays behind the scrotum, so you only move your fingers 2-3inches depending on scrotum length? Does this sound right?

I've heard of this before but never tried since no one ever explained it very well on how it is performed. I could never get a clear image of how far to jelq and what it would feel like.

Hey Bib, I made another adjustment to my settings this evening and all the force is on the ligs. I was having trouble since it seemed like my skin has gained a huge amount of slack since I started hanging, and the tug on my ligs wasn't as intense and I adjusted the hex nuts in a few more turns and the 7.5 lbs I'm hanging with right now is definitely pulling on the ligs and not the skin. I'm astounded at what a turn one way or the other can do for the effectiveness of a given poundage or angle. I am going to try to buy a higher chair to sit on so I can prop my feet a little easier and relax a bit more during BTC but till then I'll hit straight down and see how it goes. My lot seems to be about the same, but I'm still using the PA and the manual A-stretch in with my hanging and I'm seeing FSL gains it seems almost every session. If you could respond to the above post and fill me in a bit more on the BTB jelq and tell me a bit more about your experience in how this helped to transfer over to erect gains as I'm seeing flaccid stretched gains but not much in erect length I'm hoping to get a bit of insight into this. By the way I appreciate your dillegence in replying to these questions and to this board as a whole, you have been a tremendous help to me. Blessings brother.

million,

>BTB jelqing is where you reach down behind the balls (scrotum) reaching up with your thumb and two largest fingers jelq up towards the head, but the range of motion stays behind the scrotum, so you only move your fingers 2-3inches depending on scrotum length? Does this sound right?<

That sounds perfect. You can jelq behind, and into the scrotum.

>Hey Bib, I made another adjustment to my settings this evening and all the force is on the ligs. I was having trouble since it seemed like my skin has gained a huge amount of slack since I started hanging, and the tug on my ligs wasn't as intense and I adjusted the hex nuts in a few more turns and the 7.5 lbs I'm hanging with right now is definitely pulling on the ligs and not the skin. I'm astounded at what a turn one way or the other can do for the effectiveness of a given poundage or angle.<

Hmmm, I have heard that somewhere before. Let's see..... Oh yes, I write about that all the time. hehe.

>I am going to try to buy a higher chair to sit on so I can prop my feet a little easier and relax a bit more during BTC but till then I'll hit straight down and see how it goes.<

That sounds good.

>My lot seems to be about the same, but I'm still using the PA and the manual A-stretch in with my hanging and I'm seeing FSL gains it seems almost every session.<

That sounds good.

>If you could respond to the above post and fill me in a bit more on the BTB jelq and tell me a bit more about your experience in how this helped to transfer over to erect gains as I'm seeing flaccid stretched gains but not much in erect length I'm hoping to get a bit of insight into this.<

Well, the simple fact is, the body takes time to adjust and adapt to changes. Especially for attempted permanent changes. Or rather, it takes time for the body to permanently change. The body's natural 'instinct' it to attempt to return to previous condition.

BTB jelqing, as well as normal jelqing, helps to increase the size of the blood vessels that feed the penis. I believe it also helps to clean them out, especially for older guys. If the penis cannot fill with extra blood, or has a harder time filling, either erections will be slower, or softer. IMO, BTB jelqing helps with this problem.

But it still takes time to see the permanent changes. Just as with any tissues, the collagenous tissues we are deforming attempt to return to their previous state. So constant (daily) dedicated traction is required to keep them in the extended state, and train them to stay that way. Then secondly, the body must adapt, the blood supply must be increased, in order for the enlarged collagenous tissues to display the new gains.

During my periods of really good gains, my FSL would be between 1-2 inches longer than my erect length. After I got into maintanence, and when I stopped, I believe my FSL was only about 1/2 inch longer.

>By the way I appreciate your dillegence in replying to these questions and to this board as a whole, you have been a tremendous help to me. Blessings brother.<

No problem. I had a great deal of help back on the old old Penis Enlargementforums board, from some really good guys. If you get the chance, always try to help out someone else. Help out as you have been helped. Pass it on.

Bigger

I started the BTB jelqing last night and I did it in between sets and then did the same this morning during that session as well. I'm going to start hanging twice a day, one session in the AM or midafternoon and one in the later evening before I go to bed. For some reason last night after my session I slept really well, and all I did was hang and read the boards. It was a good time, but I had to be quiet so I didn't wake anyone else up and clanging weight plates tend to be a bit noisy.

The feeling of the BTB jelq is a bit odd, and I'm not really sure how far I can jelq upwards. Bib any idea in general as to how far is appropriate. I manage to do about 1-2 inches and do about 50 strokes in between sets, should I cover more distance and add reps? What was yoru general protocol like?

I whole heartedly agree that we should help those along who haven't had the experience and it truly does help that the guys before us helped men like yourself along so that you could help us along and so on from there. Penis Enlargement seems to be more of an experimentation as well as word of mouth, and the boards are a form of the oral tradition. This is what separates Penis Enlargement from other types of body modification and part of the reason why it is so difficult for anyone to make money from it because it's free information. Thanks again Bib