Circulation at heavier weights

Hey Bib, what is up with the circulation being better with heavier weights? I noticed yesterday that when I was hanging 10 lbs I had no problems, but when I went down to five my galns went numb and very very cold. I found this interesting, and I think all I did was wrap too tight and I closed the hanger too tightly, so circulation was poor on the last set. I didn't have the coolness problem with the 5 lb set before that.

Ciculation is suppose to be better with heavier weights than at lighter weights isn't it?

I can't explain why circulation is better at heavier weights. But I can say that I noticed that coldness and numbness diminished greatly when I started using greater than 15 lbs.

Any way you look at it, a hanger (any hanger) is some form of tourniquet. It all comes down to finding that right combination of getting it tight enough to prevent slippage and loose enough to allow adequate circulation. 'Ditto for the wrap your using.

Also extending the time between sets from Bib's recommended minmun time of 10 minutes, to 15 minutes between sets helped alot. Especially in the latter sets.

There really IS quite a learning curve to hanging isn't there? It's not simple like jelqing.

A final note... has anyone else been setting up their hanging equipment prior to starting and realized "I'm going to hang THIS off my penis???". 'Kinda gives you reason for pause :D

million,

>Hey Bib, what is up with the circulation being better with heavier weights? I noticed yesterday that when I was hanging 10 lbs I had no problems, but when I went down to five my galns went numb and very very cold. I found this interesting, and I think all I did was wrap too tight and I closed the hanger too tightly, so circulation was poor on the last set. I didn't have the coolness problem with the 5 lb set before that.<

I really have no idea, other than what you said: You may have wrapped too tight. As always, I recommend as loose a wrap as possible, while still providing a solid bundle for hanger attachment. You should be able to pee with the wrap on, but you may have to force the pee a bit. You may have a bit of head swelling, even with the correct tension on the wrap.

Then, you need to tighten the hanger enough so that it can support the amount of weight you wish to hang with little or no slippage. The hanger must grasp the internal strucures, not just the skin. If the hanger is allowed to slip down to the head, it is not much better than a noose.

>Ciculation is suppose to be better with heavier weights than at lighter weights isn't it?<

The only situation I can think of where this might be true is if the weight is so light, the head is able to swell while hanging, and this swelling causes more blood flow to be cut off. If there is no head swelling while hanging, circulation should go down the more weight you use.

Remember, wrap loose, hanger tight.

Bigger

I noticed yesterday that my head didn't get very cold hanging with the five lbs. as it did the other day. It was the wrap I think, and I had the hanger on too tight for the amount of weight I was using. I tighten enough to start a set to feel the internal structures being pulled out, but I sometimes will tighten again about two to three minutes into a set just to assure myself that it's internals and not the skin being stretched, it's a mental thing and the extra tightness usually makes the set more comfortable and easier to handle on the mental side of things.

Bib, Did you ever have any problems when you got into hanging really heavy weights with your ciculation during a session?

million,

>Bib, Did you ever have any problems when you got into hanging really heavy weights with your ciculation during a session?<

Well sure. My whole hanging career was about coming upon problems, and figuring out ways to get past them.

In fact, for about every five lbs increase in weight, I had to come up with a better hanger. As far as the production Bibs, I never had much problem with circulation at any weight, unless is was a one set thing, just bad technique on one set.

Bigger

Hey Bib, any ideas why it's easier for me to hang heavier weights then to hang lighter weights? I'm sitting here right now with ten lbs and the time is flying by, but earlier the time was creeping by with 5 and 7.5 lbs. I don't really understand it, but I'm gritting my teeth more for those sets to be over then from this heavier weight, which feels remarkable at the ligs currently. Just wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter, if you have ever felt that way before.

million,

You are an alien.

Just kidding.

>Hey Bib, any ideas why it's easier for me to hang heavier weights then to hang lighter weights? I'm sitting here right now with ten lbs and the time is flying by, but earlier the time was creeping by with 5 and 7.5 lbs. I don't really understand it, but I'm gritting my teeth more for those sets to be over then from this heavier weight, which feels remarkable at the ligs currently. Just wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter, if you have ever felt that way before.<

I went through periods of all types of strange things. Yes, I had times where a heavier weight felt more comfortable than a light weight. There are all kinds of physical reasons for this, a heavier weight involving more fibers than a light weight, etc. But I have no proof, or even concrete ideas for why this type of thing happens.

Kind of like getting base girth from hanging.

Bigger

Bib, you have a sense of humor...who knew??? JK.

I can see what you mean about more fibers being invovled. I definitely feel more fatigue with the heavier weight than with the lighter sets. I defintely am working on being able to hang 10lbs for all three sets at the moment. I feel like I have found the gaining "zone" with this weight, and I imagine like many of the other guys have said between 10-15 lbs is where they made most of their gains. I still think it's weird that at the heavier weights I feel like no time has gone by, but the lighter weights is like grinding it out, it's so odd.

I've always wondered about base girth, and how that comes about. What are your thoughts Bib?

million,

>I've always wondered about base girth, and how that comes about. What are your thoughts Bib?<

I really just have no idea. The easiest thing to think is that, for those guys that report base girth gains from hanging, they are pulling down and out, the inner shaft, which for them is thicker than the previous base.

But I palpated my inner shaft at the beginning of Penis Enlargement, did not measure it of course, and I know that both inner and outer shaft became thicker, the longer I hung. Just no doubt about it. Of course, BTB jelqing probably had something to do with it, perhaps more from increased circulation.

But all in all, I cannot even truly guess at the mechanism, physiologically or otherwise, of base girth gains from hanging. It is the loch ness monster of Penis Enlargement.

Bigger

BIB, did you have problems doing girth work and hanging??? Seems today that my fluid buildup from the previous nights girth sessoin caused my head to go numb because of poor circulation, too much wrap, hanger tightness, it was something. It turned very darm and was quite cold to the touch. Circulation restored right after the set was over, but I noticed that the area of skin right above the hanger around the head has an excess of fluid buildup, so that is the reason why I said the above. I adjusted the hex nuts, which could be another issue, the hanger is too wide now. I made the adjustment because I wasn't sure how the fit would be, so after the first set I kicked the nuts out a bit to see how it felt, and it was worse than before. I think it's partially the adjustment as well as the tightness of the hanger. I was just wondering if you had issues with heavy girth work and hanging in conjunction during your program, and how you worked through it???

I took tonight off from girth work just to test the variables fresh tomorrow afternoon. I may end up having to wake up earlier in the morning and hanging earlier, and getting the girth work in sometime in the early evening and having plenty of recovery time so this isn't an issue any longer....Is 12 hours enough time between sessions?

million,

>BIB, did you have problems doing girth work and hanging???<

Did I? When I was ignorant enough to try it, I surely did. First, you should do girth work after you have completed your length work. Then, if you are doing maintanence hanging while going for girth, then do the hanging first always. For me, the fluid buildup and skin irritation made hanging impossible for at least a day.

>Seems today that my fluid buildup from the previous nights girth sessoin caused my head to go numb because of poor circulation, too much wrap, hanger tightness, it was something. It turned very darm and was quite cold to the touch. Circulation restored right after the set was over, but I noticed that the area of skin right above the hanger around the head has an excess of fluid buildup, so that is the reason why I said the above.<

You mean you did a full blown girth session the night before? Then tried to hang the next morning? Think about that a minute. You make shaft gains, either length or girth by deforming either the longitudenal or lateral bonds of the tunica. So the night before, you made the tears in the lateral bonds of the tunica, then the next morning, clamped a hanger on the irritated, inflammed tissues, not only of the skin, but the tunica as well.

Now, think about something else. You broke lateral bonds in the tunica with the girth session. Then, less than 12 hours later, you broke the longitudenal bonds of the tunica with your length session. What are the odds that this deformation will heal correctly?

>I adjusted the hex nuts, which could be another issue, the hanger is too wide now. I made the adjustment because I wasn't sure how the fit would be, so after the first set I kicked the nuts out a bit to see how it felt, and it was worse than before. I think it's partially the adjustment as well as the tightness of the hanger. I was just wondering if you had issues with heavy girth work and hanging in conjunction during your program, and how you worked through it???<

Yes, I think everyone has issues with length along with girth work. Just don't do it. When I went to maintanence hanging, and started my girth routine, first I slowly built up the girth work as I was cutting back on the hanging. Then, I did the hanging first, and the girth work last. But it was still sometimes tough to do the hanging.

>I took tonight off from girth work just to test the variables fresh tomorrow afternoon. I may end up having to wake up earlier in the morning and hanging earlier, and getting the girth work in sometime in the early evening and having plenty of recovery time so this isn't an issue any longer....Is 12 hours enough time between sessions?<

If you do your hanging first, and then the girth work immediately after, you will have more time to recover before your next hanging session. Hopefully close to 20 hours. But you will still not be recovered enough to be as comfortable as if you were only hanging.

More than anything, why not just wait till you reach your length goals to work on girth. It makes much more sense, and you will be more successful.

Further, the added mass of the tunica from girth work, whether you get any cross bonding within the tunica or not, will make length gains tougher to come by. The more mass of any substance will mean more bonds to break, which will mean more stress required to break those bonds.

Gains in girth come from internal tunica pressure, breaking lateral bonds because of this pressure. No matter the length of the tunica, it will require little if any added pressure to break the lateral bonds of a long tunica, vs a short tunica.

Bigger

Thanks Bib....I really thought on this for a while last night, even before I posted about it, and it did seem counter productive. I guess I got used to being able to do length and girth when I was doing manuals, but this is a completely different animal as it is. I'm going to start back on Monday allowing everything to rest and to heal properly. I'll be hanging only, and hopefully since I'll be hanging only I'll be able to get more sets in without thinking about having more to do that evening. It'll be a nice change. Hopefully I'll hit my length gain and can go back into the girth work and gain that last .5 in no time.

Hey Bib, what do you think of hanging over an object, like a piece of PVC pipe??? I'm thinking I need to change my angle of attack because I no longer feel the SD hanging in the ligs but along the sides of the shaft. I feel it a bit in the ligs but not the burning tingling sensation that let me know I had a good workout, and I've tested my lot and it's a bit lower than before, so I was thinking of changing over to haning over a piece of PVC instead of SO. What are your thoughts on this or should I just focus on the LF for SD right now?

million,

>Hey Bib, what do you think of hanging over an object, like a piece of PVC pipe??? I'm thinking I need to change my angle of attack because I no longer feel the SD hanging in the ligs but along the sides of the shaft. I feel it a bit in the ligs but not the burning tingling sensation that let me know I had a good workout, and I've tested my lot and it's a bit lower than before, so I was thinking of changing over to haning over a piece of PVC instead of SO.<

I am a little confused. You mentioned hanging SD, and then write about hanging "over a piece of PVC instead of SO". The first is more for the ligs, and the second for the tunica. I recommend stressing only one set of structures at a time, unless you have enough time to reach fatigue on different sets of tissues.

I cannot remember, have you tried BTC? That is the most intense for lig stretch.

It really all depends on what you are shooting for. Most guys hang with a fulcrum for tunica stretch, generally in the SO position, not SD.

Give me a bit more information, and I will try to help.

Bigger

Ok. I guess I mucked up the post. What I was getting at is that I'm not really feeling the stretch in the ligs very much, so I was wondering if it was time to transition to another position. If I were to change positions then I would change over to the SO with a piece of PVC under me instead of attaching to something.

I remedied the problem. I had adjusted my lower nuts out too far because of the fluid build up from the girth workouts. I've got the situation back and I'm working it right now. I'm using the BIB for my ligs and I'm hitting my tunica with the PA routine in Kooky's thread. I'm not doing as much as k-man is but I'm working all the exercises hard. I've got a bit over 8" BPFSL, and I'm back to working out again and dieting properly, so that will go from BPFSL to FSL. I'm looking forward to that day when I look down and it doesn't look so short.....HAHAHA

million,

So, everything is straight now, no problems?

Bigger

Bib:

Question for you. I recently stopped hanging as I was told that hanging will do little to increase my girth size (5.25 msg currently). I'm starting on DLD's program here as soon as the package comes. Should I also continue to hang? Been hanging religiously for 5 months. Total Penis Enlargement time for 9 months. Thanks for the advice.

9x7

Yeah I have everything straight now, and I'm back to 7.5 lbs for all three sets. Since I got the setup right I've had to drop back because the force was just too much, felt like if I moved wrong I could pull something too far out. It's a process not an all at once...LOL. But on the whole everything is just fine.

What do you think about the addition of the PA workout to the hanging regimen?