Hm...I had this for almost a week when I first started with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. After that and doing 15+ minute sessions my temp gains started working for me even after I pulled it out of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. The air being sucked out, is that with or without a sleeve on?
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All pumps in general its 'universal' or so it says. I dont use any other pump honestly so I dont know. If your leaking air, take the top piece off of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and clean the black piece and the white piece and then put it back on and make sure that your [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is completely dry when you snap it back together. That should fix the air leak problem.
leaking air? There should be no air inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] just water. My problem is the air entering in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and therefore releasing the suction/pressure. The air enters through the base where it touches my skin...
Just do what I mentioned above and give it a shot. The de-pressurizing and the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] popping off is because of the pressure inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] being leaked outside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. Around day 20 of me using mine this happened and it comes from the Bathmates nozzle getting all wet/sticky/vaseline filled and not closing off the pressure correctly. Cleaning the top of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] (the white piece and the black nozzle that control the pressure/depressurizing of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]) is what fixed it for me. If your still having a problem you may find that you have to rip off the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Comfort Pad[/words] and then Gorilla or Crazy Glue it back on because if its falling off then it lets air leak in.
Try both of those and if it doesn't work then I'm not sure what to tell you because thats weird for the suction to stop working immediatly and start letting air in through the base if your pumping the same you have been.
And yes, there is air inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. The little air bubbles and the area without water. If the nozzle is loose or the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]comfort pad[/words] is cracked and letting the pressure out then thats where the pressure is going. I had a similiar problem as said and thats what I found worked.
Try both of those and if it doesn't work then I'm not sure what to tell you because thats weird for the suction to stop working immediatly and start letting air in through the base if your pumping the same you have been.
And yes, there is air inside the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. The little air bubbles and the area without water. If the nozzle is loose or the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]comfort pad[/words] is cracked and letting the pressure out then thats where the pressure is going. I had a similiar problem as said and thats what I found worked.
Tomorrow I`ll do what you suggested...i`ll see how it goes.
Right now I`m wearing my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sizegenetics[/words] (even though I hate it). If I see any temporary length increase after this session I`ll implement it in my routine.
Right now I`m wearing my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sizegenetics[/words] (even though I hate it). If I see any temporary length increase after this session I`ll implement it in my routine.
Let me know how the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Size Genetics[/words] is working out for you after a week or two. Drop me a message or something. If I find a new job after finishing the one I just finished I'll grab the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] and strap it to my leg most of the day discreetly if I can get it comfortable enough.
Suddenly, after reading some threads here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], I realized a very important thing that I wanted to share with you guys. These past days I`ve been acting like a crazy Penis Enlargement paranoid. I was too anxious and wild about gains, about measuring everytime after a workout to see if there was even a 0.1" temp gain. I had the notion that I needed to use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] everyday for X amount of min and then again and again... For this reason, what was supposed to be a pleasant and joyful activity, became somewhat boring. Then, after reading some posts I realized this:
SIMPLICITY IS THE KEY! KEEP IT SIMPLE!
OBTAIN ADEQUATE REST, WATCH YOUR ERECTION QUALITY, AND GRADUALLY INCREASE INTENSITY AND YOU WILL GAIN!
DLD gained 2 inches in lenght and 1 inch in girth in 6 months with only the phase 1 routine! I can`t remember their names but I just read several accounts of guys who gained 1-2 inches both length and girth and didn`t do half of the stuff I am currently doing. While we`re so obsessed with devices, supersets, hardcore bla bla bla, there are guys that are actually gaining from simple plain manual work.
I`m not saying to give up the devices, they`re great! I love clamping, I love the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]... I`m just saying that people should think twice before getting nervous and pissed off if they couldn`t use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] or clamp for one day...The important thing is how we feel about what we do. If you feel Penis Enlargement is getting boring, stick to the basics, stick to the simple, IT WORKS. Some newbies don`t even know that they are fast gainers, but because of so much intensity in the beginning they don`t gain! My advice would be to stick to the simple until you can`t gain from it - then you should increase the intensity. In order to keep yourself motivated, and consistent with this activity (that for most guys - me included - is one of the priorities in life) you have to ENJOY THE PROCESS! Do what you feel good doing! Do the exercises that you like! Just keep your dick engorged and worked out and you`ll gain!
I`ll view Penis Enlargement from now on like a daily habit, like brushing my teeth. I`ll give my dick 1 or 2 days a week to rest and I`ll stick to the simple stuff. I`ll not measure every minute like I was doing, but once a week.
Just wanted to organize my mind, rethink Penis Enlargement and share this thought with you.
Dorsay
SIMPLICITY IS THE KEY! KEEP IT SIMPLE!
OBTAIN ADEQUATE REST, WATCH YOUR ERECTION QUALITY, AND GRADUALLY INCREASE INTENSITY AND YOU WILL GAIN!
DLD gained 2 inches in lenght and 1 inch in girth in 6 months with only the phase 1 routine! I can`t remember their names but I just read several accounts of guys who gained 1-2 inches both length and girth and didn`t do half of the stuff I am currently doing. While we`re so obsessed with devices, supersets, hardcore bla bla bla, there are guys that are actually gaining from simple plain manual work.
I`m not saying to give up the devices, they`re great! I love clamping, I love the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]... I`m just saying that people should think twice before getting nervous and pissed off if they couldn`t use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] or clamp for one day...The important thing is how we feel about what we do. If you feel Penis Enlargement is getting boring, stick to the basics, stick to the simple, IT WORKS. Some newbies don`t even know that they are fast gainers, but because of so much intensity in the beginning they don`t gain! My advice would be to stick to the simple until you can`t gain from it - then you should increase the intensity. In order to keep yourself motivated, and consistent with this activity (that for most guys - me included - is one of the priorities in life) you have to ENJOY THE PROCESS! Do what you feel good doing! Do the exercises that you like! Just keep your dick engorged and worked out and you`ll gain!
I`ll view Penis Enlargement from now on like a daily habit, like brushing my teeth. I`ll give my dick 1 or 2 days a week to rest and I`ll stick to the simple stuff. I`ll not measure every minute like I was doing, but once a week.
Just wanted to organize my mind, rethink Penis Enlargement and share this thought with you.
Dorsay
I really like your post and hope newbies get around to reading it. I've also thought alot about that since getting the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] as you can see I chipped out alot of the basic fundamentals. Stretching just became boring and old for me really fast. I still do the Kegels/Jelging/Testicle Massaging but I do [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] Hardcore stretches instead of the manual stretching. After reading your post I'm really re-considering that idea, its just that I didn't have enough time.
I would like to re-affirm what Dorsay said. While manually stretching and Jelgings for the first 3-4 weeks of my Penis Enlargement, I gained around 1/4th" in Length and almost the same in Girth. Since stopping stretching and just working on girth by Jelging/SSJ's/Kegeling/Bathmate workouts for the last 3-4 weeks I've gained about the same. That means even without the equipment I could have probably made the same gains and the same measurements. I was just a bit lazy so the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] really helped me out, but I wouldn't encourage it. In fact, if I could go back a month or two I would have stayed steady with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] for at least 2-3 months but I have ADHD and I'm really horrible at stretching everyday because my schedule is erratic.
I agree 100% with Dorsay and would say the same to others. Incorporate or WAIT to use devices, get what you can from Phase one attacking the ligaments and tunica in that fashion from your penis and THEN move on. Maximize what you have, and then incorporate to get even more gains if possible.
I'm waiting on your measurement date Dorsay and I've got another 20 days before my next measurement. Lets see if we can keep growing together!
I would like to re-affirm what Dorsay said. While manually stretching and Jelgings for the first 3-4 weeks of my Penis Enlargement, I gained around 1/4th" in Length and almost the same in Girth. Since stopping stretching and just working on girth by Jelging/SSJ's/Kegeling/Bathmate workouts for the last 3-4 weeks I've gained about the same. That means even without the equipment I could have probably made the same gains and the same measurements. I was just a bit lazy so the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] really helped me out, but I wouldn't encourage it. In fact, if I could go back a month or two I would have stayed steady with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] for at least 2-3 months but I have ADHD and I'm really horrible at stretching everyday because my schedule is erratic.
I agree 100% with Dorsay and would say the same to others. Incorporate or WAIT to use devices, get what you can from Phase one attacking the ligaments and tunica in that fashion from your penis and THEN move on. Maximize what you have, and then incorporate to get even more gains if possible.
I'm waiting on your measurement date Dorsay and I've got another 20 days before my next measurement. Lets see if we can keep growing together!
DLD what do you think about the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words]? Have you ever used it before? I`m looking for a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] that I can wear for hours a day in public (I can`t do that with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]).
Dorsay;429641 said:
Well yes, it provides just the suction required to keep the condoms on. the website however says that it combines suction and stretch for pe. I liked this idea and got one. So i am not at all satisfied. And no i dont use it anymore as the protection cap is hell difficult to put on. Any ya, once you need to go to loo u need to carry the pump around with u if you want to put it back on.
DLD I have a couple of questions for you:
1. what do you think about the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words]? Have you ever used it before?
2. Are you still selling the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words]? if so, how can I order one? (you said your inbox is not working well)
1. what do you think about the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words]? Have you ever used it before?
2. Are you still selling the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words]? if so, how can I order one? (you said your inbox is not working well)
Phallosan is a crock of shit in my opinion, sounds like it would regulate your penis more then expand it and from what I've heard/read it really gets bothersome. I wouldn't invest in it myself. And I think you should try different stretching angles and different stretches before investing in a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] at the point that your at. Wait until 3-4 months into Penis Enlargement to start using devices otherwise you might not get the same newbie gains that some people are getting.
Yes, you`re right. I read some reviews on the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] and gave up on it. They say that the condom rips easily and you have to order another one for 50 bucks... hahaha now that is comedy!
I am actually still deciding between the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Power Assist[/words] or the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]. I think I need one of those, my manual stretches are not that strong. People are claiming good gains from those. I think I`ll go for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] since it is way cheaper than the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words].
I am actually still deciding between the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Power Assist[/words] or the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]. I think I need one of those, my manual stretches are not that strong. People are claiming good gains from those. I think I`ll go for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] since it is way cheaper than the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words].
I just switched to using a sock and the gold's gym bands that Priapus wrote about and manual slow stretching to make sure I'm getting the best of my bodies automatic responses that someone bumped a little bit ago. I'm feeling a good stretch from that.
I've just started but it stretches to the same length with alot less of a fight and you can hold it for the same amount of time without the same amount of force being used. If thats good or bad I dont know.
doublelongdaddy;429859 said:
Yea I think gold member was talking to the guy about it. He said after a week he could stretch himself to 1-2" over his flaccid state. If you just grip your penis at the top while flaccid and slowly move it outwards with your whole body relaxed and your eyes close you can usually stretch it to 1/4th" over the normal flaccid state I've found and holding it there really isn't a problem but you can still feel the tug at the base of your penis. Its pretty relaxing and easy to accomplish. I do this sometimes when I'm just lazing around and hold it for a little while.
Edit: It depends on how tense you are really. I'm a pretty uptight person so if I relax my body my ligaments and muscles and pelvic bones relax and sort of just sit there. Without them tense its really not a problem to pull your tunica and ligaments a little farther out.
DLD can I order a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]power assist[/words] and pay you via paypal? There isn`t the option to pay with paypal in the products page.
Dorsay;429941 said:
Yes you can. send payment to: [email protected]....I think they are $65 + shipping. Also remember that the LengthMasters has a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PowerAssist[/words] built in and it only costs $24.00 more.
Today:
warm up
2x 15 minutes hanging 2 pounds with my homemade hanger! (made it today)
1 set of newbie stretch
After gym:
20 min jelqing = 600 jelqs
10 min [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]
2x 15 min clamping + clamped edgeing
I`m pretty happy with my hanger, and today is the first day I used it. I used [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ACE[/words] as a wrap and had no pain at all. I have a question for anyone who can answer it: is it normal for the head of the penis to become purple after hanging? After 15 when I took it off, half of my glans (on the top) was a bit purple but it went back to normal after a massage. Check out the pics:
my penis after the session
the hanger
That is all for today...
warm up
2x 15 minutes hanging 2 pounds with my homemade hanger! (made it today)
1 set of newbie stretch
After gym:
20 min jelqing = 600 jelqs
10 min [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]
2x 15 min clamping + clamped edgeing
I`m pretty happy with my hanger, and today is the first day I used it. I used [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ACE[/words] as a wrap and had no pain at all. I have a question for anyone who can answer it: is it normal for the head of the penis to become purple after hanging? After 15 when I took it off, half of my glans (on the top) was a bit purple but it went back to normal after a massage. Check out the pics:
my penis after the session
the hanger
That is all for today...
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Hold on. Purple or Blackening equals tissue death. If a piece of tissue is black or purple for over 20 minutes its basically gangrene. Try a different wrapping method or less weight. I'm very serious here. You've made some gains and I dont want anything bad to happen to you. If your skeptical type gangrene into google. Its about circulation. Hang completely flaccid and make sure that you have no blood trapped in your penis. The little bit of blood that does need to circulate down there will have no problem circulating then.
Not trying to scare you as hanging is safe, just saying maybe try a different wrap or hanging area.
Not trying to scare you as hanging is safe, just saying maybe try a different wrap or hanging area.
animalwannabe;430664 said:
I used to get purple head in the beginning (two months back when i started hanging). And it would got off in some time. Now i dont get it anymore. My tissue isnt dead. its fine and sensitive as ever. Though i would suggest dorsay to reduce the weight and time if he has just begun hanging.
Yea he's just been working hard dont wanna see anything bad happen. Jumped the gun, hope it turns out alrite.
wanagrow;430657 said:
I see. What did you do to fix the purple head? Did more wrapping? I`ll try to post pics of me hanging anytime soon. Thanks brother
Thanks for worrying mate! Shit I don`t want to get this gangrene thing! I really don`t see a way out, I only tightened the hanger enough so It could hold the weight. Maybe it is normal, maybe it isnt. I`ll see how it goes. It is the same thing when you manually stretch and right after you release your hand, the glans is darker... I`ll see how it goes! thanks again animal, I`ll keep you posted!
Today`s report:
1 set of newbie stretch
30 min hanging 5 lbs (today I got a much less darkening, the hose clamp was in the middle of my cock and i didn`t tighten it too much)
Some a-stretches
20 min jelqing = 600 jelqs
10 min [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]
Later: 1 hour [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]
I think tomorrow my comfort sleeves will arrive and I`ll go back on using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]
1 set of newbie stretch
30 min hanging 5 lbs (today I got a much less darkening, the hose clamp was in the middle of my cock and i didn`t tighten it too much)
Some a-stretches
20 min jelqing = 600 jelqs
10 min [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]
Later: 1 hour [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words]
I think tomorrow my comfort sleeves will arrive and I`ll go back on using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]
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The pump sleeves were too small and didnt fit my erect penis.
I tried to do just like Animal said so I removed the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] base [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]comfort pad[/words]. The result was total failure. There was absolutely no seal, and air kept coming in. I destroyed my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. I'm lucky I own another one.
Today I did only 15 min in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. Tomorrow I'll come back to the usual routine. Gave my penis a nice rest over the weekend.
I tried to do just like Animal said so I removed the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] base [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]comfort pad[/words]. The result was total failure. There was absolutely no seal, and air kept coming in. I destroyed my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. I'm lucky I own another one.
Today I did only 15 min in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]. Tomorrow I'll come back to the usual routine. Gave my penis a nice rest over the weekend.
You need to put Vaseline around the sides of the Sleeves. So your penis can slide through it. And regarding removing the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Comfort pad[/words], you took it off and what? Air still kept leaking out? Did you clean the top black nozzle part like I said yet? It has to do with the Nozzle not being tight and Air and water being able to leak out from the top.
The air is entering through the bad seal in the base buddy. As a result of that there is not suction.
I'll do a experimental routine for the next 2 weeks starting today:
newbie stretches twice a day
JAI everytime I go pee
30-40 min of pure Slow Squash Jelqs + some ULI`s
Clamping every other day
I`ll post some parcial measures later on today.
Maybe I'll post a video of what I mean later. Air doesn't leak in from the base unless you stabbed holes in the gator or you extremely unshaved or uneven down there.
Waiting to see the new measurements. Still following even though I'm not posting much.
Waiting to see the new measurements. Still following even though I'm not posting much.