Here you go...bluenun said:I am also interested to know what p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt is sold and used for besides chemical Penis Enlargement
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sikdogg said:
Thank-you. So I am assuming that Potaba is p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt just labeled and put in a pretty container.
I contacted a company in the US that will ship 1000grams of p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt for $175. $40 of that is shipping.
Potaba appears to have been used successfully in the treatment of Peyronies disease and they were on it from 3 months to 2 years.
"The authors suggest that this medication offers no hazard of further local injury as may result from other therapy. There were no significant untoward effects encountered on long term POTABA® therapy."
That is encouraging as long as the salt is no more harmful than Potaba which is apparently non toxic.
I would want to take start taking this 2 weeks before I start Trimix for 8 further weeks.
I noticed Relaxin was another option as a potentiator. Some info here
http://www.samyue.com/relaxinhormonereplacementtTherapy.htm
Or as you say DHT which might be preferable as it can be applied topically.
EVO said:
No, we are still looking for the Trimix.
I took Cialis today and stayed erect for 55 minutes but it is getting hard work for me as I approach 40. Stimulation is needed.
What I like about the idea of using Trimix as the vasodilator is once injected into the CC you do not need to stimulate to stay erect which is great as 3-6 hours is mentioned in the trials.
The Papaverine and Phentolamine increase blood flow to the penis and Prostaglandin E1 is a relaxant.
Let me know if you find someone that will ship to the UK without a prescription.
bluenun said:
My thoughts exactly. This is why I would love to find a way to get the injectables such as trimix or PGE-1. But going to the doctor and asking for a prescription is out of the question at least for me. To bad we don't have a doctor that is a member of this forum that would presribe it for us.
FuzzyKen said:
Hi Ken, I have been following this thread and your posts on here and the other boards.
Are you saying that if someone did dermal fat grafts, they would not be able to do this treatment? What would happen if they tried?
Perhaps not alloderm or silicone, but I would suspect fat grafts would stretch accordingly.
From what i've read and dermal graft... they do in fact expand. The real issues i see with having dermal grafts is that it would take a longer needle to actually inject the cc. Since trimix is dispensed from a pen-type of device i think that the needles used are of a fixed length and may not be able to reach the cc.rangel said:
sikdogg said:
Thank you for the response, Sikdogg. My dermal grafts have reabsorbed for the most part since I had them 10 years ago (courtesy of rodney barrons - stay clear). But even the initial gain was around 3/8" around so if the trimix needle is the size of a 31 gauge 5/16" (8 mm) insulin needle , I think it will reach the cc.
The important issue for me is that dermal grafts expand.
All i've ever read about was on Allograft and i'm not sure if it's the same as what you had done...rangel said:
Trimix uses an auto-injector which has a much shorter needle. If you've had girth enhancement, you will most likely have trouble using an auto-injector. That's not to say that you couldn't use an standard slin needle...
sikdogg said:
Got it.
Dermal fat grafts are when they take strips of fat tissue from a donor site and insert it into the penis. Here is an excerpt from the site:
"The second method is a process known as Dermal Graft Augmentation, a relatively new yet very successful technique. With this procedure, strips of skin with the fat on the under-surface are removed from low-visibility areas of the body, usually from areas where there are natural body creases. These strips are then inserted under the skin of the penis through two small incisions. The grafts are positioned to meet under the skin, surrounding the entire shaft, thus eliminating visible ridges. The procedure adds approximately 30% to 50% in circumference."
I think Allograft is a reference to Alloderm grafts, a foreign substance used for surgical girth enhancements. I've read more than once that Ken believes this will disqualify one from the chemical Penis Enlargement.
In any case, this wont be a deterrent for me to try with various sized needles.
Does anyone know if Potaba is p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt just labeled and put in a pretty container or does Potaba contain anything else as well?
"Porcine relaxin is sold under the brand names Biolaxin™ and Vitalaxin™. As nutritional supplements, they do not require a prescription"
DHT might be preferable as it can be applied topically and obtained easily and cheaply.
Which of the 3 would be your choice of Potentiator if cost or availability were not an issue and why?
"Porcine relaxin is sold under the brand names Biolaxin™ and Vitalaxin™. As nutritional supplements, they do not require a prescription"
DHT might be preferable as it can be applied topically and obtained easily and cheaply.
Which of the 3 would be your choice of Potentiator if cost or availability were not an issue and why?
) and also where would you buy dht from? sorry for the annoying questions.I'm probably going to get the trimix from Boston Medical Group. They provide solutions for ED but their primary solution is prescribing Trimix to everyone. They offer 2, 4, and 6 month plans. The 6 months plan will cost in the neighborhood of $1,100 plus the office visit. I assume that the 2 and 4 month plans are significanly cheaper.
I will probably buy the DHT bulk from China. I think i'm going to homebrew the transdermal solution and probably add 5-10% DMSO to increase absorbtion. I will try and find a source in China for Potaba as well... Since Potaba and DHT are prescription only meds, i can't talk more about this...
I will probably buy the DHT bulk from China. I think i'm going to homebrew the transdermal solution and probably add 5-10% DMSO to increase absorbtion. I will try and find a source in China for Potaba as well... Since Potaba and DHT are prescription only meds, i can't talk more about this...
EVO said:
Do you know the difference between p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt and Potaba?
I am undecided on whether to use DHT cream after reading this,
"Originally Posted by Formysweetie
I have a question-- what's wrong with DHT cream, if it's cycled? Or maybe it doesn't help, anyway? What's your explanation? I didn't think that any precursor would bother the prostate. "
Reply posted by GHOSTING
"DHT cream will never work because all the androgen receptors in the penis have been down regulated. Plus even if the was a target to hit, somr of thr DHT will go systemic. DHT isnt all bad, but men who are predisposition to hair loss dont want extra DHT in their body. The prostate being so close and it not liking DHT, I definitely wouldnt put it there. Prohormones have to travel to the liver to get turned into their target hormore, so applying a transdermal full precursors for localized action on the penis would totally defeate the purpose. Once the precursors become their target hormone they will go to work on the prostate and hair."
What do you think of those comments?
From what i've read, they're the same thing...bluenun said:
[/quote]I am undecided on whether to use DHT cream after reading this,
"Originally Posted by Formysweetie
I have a question-- what's wrong with DHT cream, if it's cycled? Or maybe it doesn't help, anyway? What's your explanation? I didn't think that any precursor would bother the prostate. " [/quote]
You have to understand that ANY exogenous androgen WILL cause suppression. There is nothing wrong with DHT cream, you just have to realized that it will not stay where you put it... some WILL go systemic. I'm not a big fan of using prohormones (PH) for this because frankly, you don't get much bang for the buck. PH conversion rates are maybe in the 10% range so applying a DHT precursor to your penis means almost nothing. DHT precursors will do little to your prostrate... in fact DHT itself doesn't do a whole lot. From what i've read (if i recall correctly), estrogen does more to cause BPH than DHT. I'll try to dig up the study and post...
I don't know what the context Ghosting's comment comes from so i don't know what he means with regards to the AR's in the penis being down regulated...
I also used to think that the PH conversion to the target hormone happens in the liver but that it not entirely correct. The primary enzyme used for the conversion process is the 3BHSD... this enzyne is not exclusively found in the liver but can be found in tissues all through out the body.
Reference on Girth Enhancement Procedures.
The first thing to immediately rule out is any individual who has had alloderm or implantation of silicone these individuals are out of the question.
The next group were those who underwent either lipotransfer which was injection of fat and the next unsuccessful method which was dermal grafts.
In the case of those two methods the main problems would come from small left over nodules remaining behind. As the penis would begin to stretch the loose skin which you have left over would begin to tighten up again. (This is the good part) What could also happen however is that if there are nodules left behind, that something that was NOT a problem could now become evident as the lose skin tightens with the expansion of your penis. The loose skin hides a multitude of sins in many of these cases, so after the graft or transfer reabsorbed you may not see things that could be a problem. This is NOT a 100% thing, but what I would suggest is that the inital trial groups consist of individuals who are "virgin" in as many ways as is possible to all other methods of Penis Enlargement. It will give the data more weight, and then the others come into this later. As time goes on then bring in everything in a controlled manner. By doing this the experiences of the first group may be able to head off problems for later groups.
Fuzzy Ken
The first thing to immediately rule out is any individual who has had alloderm or implantation of silicone these individuals are out of the question.
The next group were those who underwent either lipotransfer which was injection of fat and the next unsuccessful method which was dermal grafts.
In the case of those two methods the main problems would come from small left over nodules remaining behind. As the penis would begin to stretch the loose skin which you have left over would begin to tighten up again. (This is the good part) What could also happen however is that if there are nodules left behind, that something that was NOT a problem could now become evident as the lose skin tightens with the expansion of your penis. The loose skin hides a multitude of sins in many of these cases, so after the graft or transfer reabsorbed you may not see things that could be a problem. This is NOT a 100% thing, but what I would suggest is that the inital trial groups consist of individuals who are "virgin" in as many ways as is possible to all other methods of Penis Enlargement. It will give the data more weight, and then the others come into this later. As time goes on then bring in everything in a controlled manner. By doing this the experiences of the first group may be able to head off problems for later groups.
Fuzzy Ken
I can't work out how to reply to each question or paragraph like you do Sikkdog
Regarding Potaba and p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt, they do appear to be the same. I have emailed Potaba to ask if anything else is added.
If they are the same do you mind if I ask you why you would try to get Potaba from China if p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt is readily available from research chemists at a seemingly low cost?
Sorry for taking the text out of context. I took it from this page where there is quite a bit of talk regarding the use of DHT cream. I just wondered what your opinion on this was because it appears some had concerns about using DHT cream with the Prostate being so near by, possible effects on the scalp hair. Also it's efficacy was questioned. Posts 470 to 479 were of interest.
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5768&page=24&highlight=magnumforce
Regarding Potaba and p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt, they do appear to be the same. I have emailed Potaba to ask if anything else is added.
If they are the same do you mind if I ask you why you would try to get Potaba from China if p-Aminobenzoic Acid Potassium Salt is readily available from research chemists at a seemingly low cost?
Sorry for taking the text out of context. I took it from this page where there is quite a bit of talk regarding the use of DHT cream. I just wondered what your opinion on this was because it appears some had concerns about using DHT cream with the Prostate being so near by, possible effects on the scalp hair. Also it's efficacy was questioned. Posts 470 to 479 were of interest.
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5768&page=24&highlight=magnumforce
It's real easy... you just add "quote" (in braces) before the comment and "/quote" (in braces) after.bluenun said:I can't work out how to reply to each question or paragraph like you do Sikkdog
If it costs $5 a gram here in the US, it will cost $1 per gram in China... since i buy "other" powders from China now, it would just be more convenient to have a single source for everything.
I believe the concerns regarding DHT is overstated... at least for me it is. I don't suffer from MPB and it doesn't run in my family. I also know from first had experience that DHT does not affect my prostrate... i've been on heavy doese of test and other AAS with little effect on my prostrate. As i've mentioned on other threads, i routinely get bloodwork done when cycling and even when my DHT levels are elevated, i experience very little effects on my prostrate. Ephedra has had a more significant effect on my prostrate than any hormone that i've ever taken. Two day after taking an ephedra supplement, symptoms of enlarged prostrate manifests itself like: a strong urgency to urinate, having to urinate often, and difficulty when trying to urinate or empty bladder.
The discussions on DHT's efficacy was purely hypothetical/theroretical... according to the patent text, 3 out of 10 patients used DHT and 1 patient used testosterone exclusively as a potentiator with great results. I'll take anecdotal evidence over hypothetical blather any day of the week.
sikdogg said:
Yes I noticed 3 of the 10 examples had used DHT. I assume where it says the 5% onitment and gel was administered orally it is a typo and means topically.
Example 5 and 6 look very familiar, age and both gained 25% but there are small differences in their treatment, strange.
hey guys do you think i could simulate the vasodilatory injections by taking 50mg viagra and something like NO explode (body building supplement)?
the plan is to take it just before bed along with the DHT cream and potaba. thats gotta keep me hard for a good few hours in the night, right? from my understanding of the patent its the engorgement that creates the gains, not necessarily how you got the engorgement. let me know what you think.
the plan is to take it just before bed along with the DHT cream and potaba. thats gotta keep me hard for a good few hours in the night, right? from my understanding of the patent its the engorgement that creates the gains, not necessarily how you got the engorgement. let me know what you think.
I received my Postaglandin a couple of days ago and I have to say that 5 micrograms can keep you hard for 3 hours.But not without any stimulation.
It´s just much easier to keep it up.Maybe a higher dosage would do the job,but I´m not planning to go up with the amount I inject.
Today I´m gonna add some potaba and I already inject 500mg of testosteron a week.Hope this will help me to gain another inch or two.
By the way the injections are not anything to be scarred about.And my dick just feels totally worn out after 3 hours with my cockring on.Sometimes I think that it could be a little too much.
It´s just much easier to keep it up.Maybe a higher dosage would do the job,but I´m not planning to go up with the amount I inject.
Today I´m gonna add some potaba and I already inject 500mg of testosteron a week.Hope this will help me to gain another inch or two.
By the way the injections are not anything to be scarred about.And my dick just feels totally worn out after 3 hours with my cockring on.Sometimes I think that it could be a little too much.
I get the prostaglandin from the pharmacy without prescription.Got my connections
Like I said before,I received it a few days ago.But I plan to inject 5 micrograms 4 days a week for at least 3 months,take 4 grams of potaba and shoot 500 mg of testosterone each week.Last but not least, I try to keep it erect for 3 hours (with a 1.25 inch rubber cockring/base girth is 6 inch).
With the 5 micrograms it´s not staying erect by itself but it´s not really difficult to keep it erect either.
Starting measurements are 8 inch bp x 5.5inch midshaft girth.
Like I said before,I received it a few days ago.But I plan to inject 5 micrograms 4 days a week for at least 3 months,take 4 grams of potaba and shoot 500 mg of testosterone each week.Last but not least, I try to keep it erect for 3 hours (with a 1.25 inch rubber cockring/base girth is 6 inch).
With the 5 micrograms it´s not staying erect by itself but it´s not really difficult to keep it erect either.
Starting measurements are 8 inch bp x 5.5inch midshaft girth.
There are currently nine known receptors of prostaglandins on various cell types. Prostaglandins ligate a subfamily of cell surface seven transmembrane receptors G-protein-coupled receptors. These receptors are termed DP1-2, EP1-4, FP, IP, and TP, corresponding to the receptor that ligates the corresponding prostaglandin (e.g., DP1-2 receptors bind to PGD2). Prostaglandins thus act on a variety of cells such as vascular smooth muscle cells causing constriction or dilation, on platelets causing aggregation or disaggregation and on spinal neurons causing pain. Prostaglandins have a wide variety of actions, including, but not limited to muscular constriction and mediate inflammation. Other effects include calcium movement, hormone regulation and cell growth control. Thromboxane is created in platelets and causes vascular constriction and platelet aggregation. Prostacyclin comes from cells in the blood vessel walls and is antagonistic to thromboxane.
Prostaglandins are potent but have a short half-life before being inactivated and excreted. Therefore, they exert only a paracrine (locally active) or autocrine (acting on the same cell from which it is synthesized) function.
15-deoxy-Δ12,14-PGJ2 (15d-PGJ2) is a PGD2 derivative that acts on PPAR intracellular receptors.
This means prostaglandin WILL DIRECTLY effect the cardiac system (smooth muscle) increase contraction, therefore increase vasodilatation to counter the increase in cardiac output. This could trigger a myocardial infarction (heart attack) The heart and all muscles also rely on calcium to contract, this hormone increases calcium activity.
I'm not sure you realize what your fucking with.
I have an advance degree in Nursing, Although this may have some positive effects on the penis, IT WILL EFFECT OTHER BODY SYSTEMS.
Prostaglandins are potent but have a short half-life before being inactivated and excreted. Therefore, they exert only a paracrine (locally active) or autocrine (acting on the same cell from which it is synthesized) function.
15-deoxy-Δ12,14-PGJ2 (15d-PGJ2) is a PGD2 derivative that acts on PPAR intracellular receptors.
This means prostaglandin WILL DIRECTLY effect the cardiac system (smooth muscle) increase contraction, therefore increase vasodilatation to counter the increase in cardiac output. This could trigger a myocardial infarction (heart attack) The heart and all muscles also rely on calcium to contract, this hormone increases calcium activity.
I'm not sure you realize what your fucking with.
I have an advance degree in Nursing, Although this may have some positive effects on the penis, IT WILL EFFECT OTHER BODY SYSTEMS.
I hear what you're saying but most of the effects are localized due to the injection. The systemic affects should be small enough as to not casue any real issues. This is after all, a fairly routine medical treatment for ED. I speculate that the doses that are injected into the penis won't be any more risky that a good dose of viagra or cialis. Most ED medication we have today was originally designed for heart patients.The BTC Killer said:
If it was possible to take these meds orally then your concern would be taken with more gravity. Since the effects would be systemic. In that sense... viagra/Cialis/Levitra pose a higher risk of myocardial infarction than a localized injection of prostaglandin.
I read in the patent that beta blockers could be used as the vasodialator.
I was on beta blockers for a while for some high blood pressure and it never gave me an erection. It seemed to make them harder to get. Do you think that is a hoax or is there a different way to take beta blockers to make you get an erection. I mean, putting it in the uretha or something. Any thoughts?
I was on beta blockers for a while for some high blood pressure and it never gave me an erection. It seemed to make them harder to get. Do you think that is a hoax or is there a different way to take beta blockers to make you get an erection. I mean, putting it in the uretha or something. Any thoughts?
The patent doc lists all sorts of compounds that may be used. I believe that this was done to cover as much area as possible. Doing this makes it difficult to copy their patent.chance said:
That said, not everyone reacts to every med the same. This is why there are many different types of beta blockers.
If you don't want to up the dose, you could try taking it with viagra/cialis to enhance the effects...large1 said:
You could also try something like Melanotan II with it. Melanotan II is used for tanning but the side effects are an increase in libido and/or frequent and long erections. It is an injectable but it is not to be injected into the penis. You inject it sub-q in the belly area or it can be injected IM.
We take cialis/vig for fun, we expand our penis' further than any drug can push on our penis walls. With hands, fulcrums and calculations we are stretching our cocks further than any liquid besides our own blood could push. We already have the magic pill, everything is accomplished within us. Our bodies chemical/hormonal system is a complex system. usually it works better on its own unless you can tap into it.
Also,
Any type of central catheter would be a poor choice for a delivery method. The penis in a breeding ground for bacteria, the risk of infection increases with a central line.
“I have had some experience via a couple of friends with drug pumps and the implantation of drug catheters. One a diabetic the other on extreme pain medication because of advanced Lyme disease. These little mechanical computer controlled marvels would be the answer to our dreams because they could eliminate the worst parts while maximizing the best ones.”
A more stable delivery method would be mere Sub-Q injections. An issue with the large amounts of effective dosing that is needed for these drugs to be effective is limiting. The risk of infection decreases with injections. Any central line may have disastrous infectious complications.
Any type of central catheter would be a poor choice for a delivery method. The penis in a breeding ground for bacteria, the risk of infection increases with a central line.
“I have had some experience via a couple of friends with drug pumps and the implantation of drug catheters. One a diabetic the other on extreme pain medication because of advanced Lyme disease. These little mechanical computer controlled marvels would be the answer to our dreams because they could eliminate the worst parts while maximizing the best ones.”
A more stable delivery method would be mere Sub-Q injections. An issue with the large amounts of effective dosing that is needed for these drugs to be effective is limiting. The risk of infection decreases with injections. Any central line may have disastrous infectious complications.
Sikdogg, does the amount of CC injections that will be needed for this concern you at all? By that I mean damage to the penis or complications.
Is Peyronies something that could happen as a result of many injections into the CC?
I know Potaba is sometimes used to treat Peyronies disease so a low dose would be maybe act as a Prophylactic.
I was reading a bit about the disease to find out where on the penis the scar tissues develops. I thought it may have been on the walls of the CC but apparently it develops under the skin and above the Tunica.
Your thoughts.
Is Peyronies something that could happen as a result of many injections into the CC?
I know Potaba is sometimes used to treat Peyronies disease so a low dose would be maybe act as a Prophylactic.
I was reading a bit about the disease to find out where on the penis the scar tissues develops. I thought it may have been on the walls of the CC but apparently it develops under the skin and above the Tunica.
Your thoughts.
I think that this is a concern and something that must be considered before jumping into this method of Penis Enlargement. I believe that as long as you inject at different places on both sides of the CC you minimize the risk of scarring and Peyronies. But the risk will always be there...bluenun said:
The only way a catheter can function in this application would be if it were installed in such a manner as to get any openings in the skin away from moist danger areas with regards to infection. In this observation BTC is absolutely and positively correct. I think personally that the catheter is the answer, BUT, this has to be done in such a manner as to be safe. If we cannot engineer a safe location for this catheter and insertion of the pump then the IC injections will be what we would have to do. I have asked some questions to a couple of very "liberal" MD's who know me well enough to give me honest answers. They say a safe catheter IS possible, but that they would have to specifically figure out how to exactly accomplish this. (Time will tell more on that one) In my friend using the insulin pump the catheter insert location where the butterfly goes in is on his butt, when the location the insulin is delivered to is in the abdominal cavity. (This is what I was told by the patient himself) It might be possible to run the catheter line under the skin from the butt or similar location to a workable location at the base of the penis. If the pump were not "plugged in" nothing would show. This is the case with the diabetic friend.
I have been reading a great deal about IC injections. It appears from what I have found so far that the greatest cautions appear more related to the kinds of scarring that diabetic individuals get from constant blood sugar tests. I am only starting and I have a great deal more to learn.
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As a side note: One of the MD's I talked to told me that there is supposed to be a new ED agent coming out here in the US that is Rx and is a nasal spray. It supposedly is in the final stages with the FDA according to what he was told. What he describled to me did not sound at all like the current crop of orals, but more like the function we have been talking about with TriMix. Spray and get hard. Has anyone else heard anything about this? It appears that he heard this from one of his pharmaceutical detail men. He had no other information other than what I have told you guys.
I have found nothing so far in my own digging.
One of you may be more lucky than I.
Fuzzy Ken
I have been reading a great deal about IC injections. It appears from what I have found so far that the greatest cautions appear more related to the kinds of scarring that diabetic individuals get from constant blood sugar tests. I am only starting and I have a great deal more to learn.
- - -
As a side note: One of the MD's I talked to told me that there is supposed to be a new ED agent coming out here in the US that is Rx and is a nasal spray. It supposedly is in the final stages with the FDA according to what he was told. What he describled to me did not sound at all like the current crop of orals, but more like the function we have been talking about with TriMix. Spray and get hard. Has anyone else heard anything about this? It appears that he heard this from one of his pharmaceutical detail men. He had no other information other than what I have told you guys.
I have found nothing so far in my own digging.
One of you may be more lucky than I.
Fuzzy Ken
I think you guys that are gonna inject chemicals into your dick after reading that patent application are nuts!
There are only 10 examples. Is that all that tried it or were there more that got no results?
He could have totally made those figures up, doctored the figures, not mentioned complications etc...
There are only 10 examples. Is that all that tried it or were there more that got no results?
He could have totally made those figures up, doctored the figures, not mentioned complications etc...
Yea... we're all a little nuts.dogsdoodahs said:
There are only 10 examples listed on the patent... that doesn't mean that there aren't more. There are surely some risks associated with chemical Penis Enlargement but the meds aren't experimental to say the least... they are common meds used for erectile dysfunction. Our use of them is no different than anyone else on this board that uses viagra/cialis for Penis Enlargement. The theory behind chemical Penis Enlargement is sound and based on what alot of people with Sicle Cell Anemia experience (of which there are a hell of alot more people than 10).
I'm suprised as fuck that this experiment, and the results gained from it hasnt gotten much more attention from this board?
. For me a 3-5 hour boner a day seems like a seriously viable way to slap at least an inch both ways to to your dick, prolly alot more with serious use. There must a few of you guys,especially the ones with inside knowledge in this area that have looked into this further and been motivated to get their hands on a load for yourself and all your fellow pe'rs on this site.
Even if you wouldnt do the procedure yourself, nutters like me will give a bash and provide the proof either way. So have any of you guys tried to find a way to source all the chems needed to make your own mix of this stuff and apply the procedure for yourself? I'd do it myself but i wouldnt know where to even start looking for all the relevent shit needed.
I dont now how available these substances are out side of the medical community to get hold of. Anyone else know? But, if they are readily available now then why wait that long till a patent comes-if it even does-when all the right substances are available now and add some serious growth.
Over 2 and 1/2 inches gained in less than a year? If this aint bullshit and that experiment was for real then where the fuck is everyone when i comes to giving this serious consideraton??
. For me a 3-5 hour boner a day seems like a seriously viable way to slap at least an inch both ways to to your dick, prolly alot more with serious use. There must a few of you guys,especially the ones with inside knowledge in this area that have looked into this further and been motivated to get their hands on a load for yourself and all your fellow pe'rs on this site.Even if you wouldnt do the procedure yourself, nutters like me will give a bash and provide the proof either way. So have any of you guys tried to find a way to source all the chems needed to make your own mix of this stuff and apply the procedure for yourself? I'd do it myself but i wouldnt know where to even start looking for all the relevent shit needed.
I dont now how available these substances are out side of the medical community to get hold of. Anyone else know? But, if they are readily available now then why wait that long till a patent comes-if it even does-when all the right substances are available now and add some serious growth.
Over 2 and 1/2 inches gained in less than a year? If this aint bullshit and that experiment was for real then where the fuck is everyone when i comes to giving this serious consideraton??