Vaseline_Knight said:
does any1 know what happened with SUPRA's experimentation with IGF-1?
he seemed to want to try to see if injecting that would lead to better gains?

I think he did inject already..I dont see any gains coming from it and it could be dangerous the build up of scar tissue can lead it to curve and cause ED if shot wrong...Im not creating a false scare over nothing It could be safe but if it is not tested and proven to work and @least 90% safe why take the risk??
 
DWTS00 said:
I think he did inject already..I dont see any gains coming from it and it could be dangerous the build up of scar tissue can lead it to curve and cause ED if shot wrong...Im not creating a false scare over nothing It could be safe but if it is not tested and proven to work and @least 90% safe why take the risk??

ya i know, i just found it interesting that he wanted to experiment with it, and was wondering where he got with it.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
ya i know, i just found it interesting that he wanted to experiment with it, and was wondering where he got with it.

search the threads he started! he said he injected already
 
Yea, he supposedly did do this stuff...but I've always taken that guy with a grain of salt. He got awefully flakey after a while. I would never recommend doing anything of the sort without the guidance of a medical professional...even though the medical field pretty much shuns non surgical Penis Enlargement.

So, basically the whole "IGF" thing turned into a hyped up idea to get him attention and or make him money....oh kinda like the "ring of power".
 
Dont inject the stuff, its very dangerous and I was a lot crazier back then. I would not reccomend to anyone, and I will prolly never do it again.

SWM- seems this place really never does change.
 
Supra said:
Dont inject the stuff, its very dangerous and I was a lot crazier back then. I would not reccomend to anyone, and I will prolly never do it again.

SWM- seems this place really never does change.


oh ok. any new experimental work with Penis Enlargement supra?
I've always been a fan of your work, which is why i was wondering if that IGF-1 thing had any results.

Also, in your slammers thread, you said you gained 1/2 inch of length from them. How do you suppose that worked? to get length from slammers?

I'm trying to tackle both length and girth at the same time and your post was the only piece of literature in the Penis Enlargement scene that I came across that backed up, to some extent, what I wanted to do.
 
Supra said:
Dont inject the stuff, its very dangerous and I was a lot crazier back then. I would not reccomend to anyone, and I will prolly never do it again.

SWM- seems this place really never does change.
Supra i see from another post that you still belive in the Rop and wear it regurly, i am about to start wearing mine again, was wondering if over time you found a good way to really get the electros flowing. I have a simple rop zinc, and refrigerant copper. I wear it sort of tight, and i get a pump but dont' know if its working as a cock ring. So have began saying making a lube type will get it working better made of conditioner "hair", viniger, and salt. What u think
 


This entire thread has been kind of interesting but it is hard to really pinpoint what it was or what was going on.

One of the things that happened was shortly after the dawn of the new millenium some MD's finally wrote a paper detailing penis enlargement associated with several disease processes including sicle cell anemia.

It was found in their research that this enlargement caused by the cursed "priapism" was not harmful. This is a great "oversimplification", but is where this whole thing originated. There are types of "priapism" that ARE harmful, but what these patients expericed caused enlargement and their erectile function worked just dandy!

Some researchers got together and said: If we duplicate that special kind of priapism can we re-create the enlargement part.

This leads us up to this thread.

In the beginning we have a thread that details everything including making claims for gains and much more. A point is reached where the participants all of a sudden even countermand their own wording and confuse everybody.

Here are a few of the possibilities. The exact truth will never be known but I have a really interesting surprise in the end.

If the posters were in fact the researchers they soon realized what the did have and went looking for legal council. A patent Attorney would have told them to shut their idiotic mouths and get everything patented before their open mouths and infomation resulted in parallel research by someone else and they would be frozen out.

The next possibility is that the posters who detailed all of this were individuals trying to prevent the issue of a patent by the United States Patent Office. This thread and the open mouths appeared in more places than just this board and said basically the same thing in all those places.
If there had been a rush of patent applications all claiming the same kind of information, the USPO would have stalled the whole thing.

Here is the surprise:

On 11-12-04 This patent was filed for. It appears that the patent for this VERY WELL DOCUMENTED protocol complete with incredibly detailed explanations was awarded on 3-24-2005.

The easiest way to find this is simply to go to Google and type in United States Patent Office. When you get inside go to searches. There will be two categories these are new and older. Go to "NEW".

Using their search engine type in the words "intracavernosal injections" and doing this it did not take me long to find "penis enlargement" in the list.

It may be of little surprise that I came up with virtually what had been detailed in these postings in the early stages except that in the patent applications there is a great deal more detailed information and the results on a number of participants.

You will find this to be fascinating reading and so much of this will be so familiar. There is also a great deal that was NOT in these postings as well.

Not totally workable for the average guy yet, BUT, I can virtually guarantee that somone is going to get ahold of this (for a price) and simplify it down to where the average MD and even lay person can deal with it.

Interesting reading!
Fuzzy Ken
 
That was a good find Fuzzy...

It's actually pretty simple process. What they do is inject some type of vasodilator (or a combination of prostaglandin E1, Atropine, Chlorpromazine and Papavarine) into the penis to encourage an erection lasting 3-5 hours. They also use a potentiator (either DHT orally or subcutaneously in the penis, test injections sucutaneously in the penis, or potassium aminobenzoate orally) in conjunction with the vaso treatment. They did this 2 to 4 times a week for 4 to six months and got great results.... between .6" to over 1" in length over the treatment period. Girth gains were also significant but not as well documented in the patent application.
 
There's a link in my sig to a post I wrote a while back called "Killing pre-ejac" or something like that. Try it out, it helped me a ton, along with many other guys.
 
Jambaz said:
So based on this study, maybe we should consider Penis Enlargement sessions of 3-4 hours 2-4 times a week instead of one hour Penis Enlargement sessions 5 times a week which seems to be the most common workout regimen.
The effects of this on the penis are very different, so a different schedule is needed to be effective. 3-4 hours a day of manual Penis Enlargement would probably be way too much.
 
With regards to my past appearances on "Beard Board" yes I am guilty.

- - - -

When I found all of this I made some telephone calls to a 20+ year friend in Los Angeles that is a Patent Attorney and he is going to see what he can do as a personal favor to me to dig out more information on what this is all about. We have to be careful and tread lightly because of possible suBathmateissions to the FDA which may already be in progress without our knowledge.

I will share the information with all because I sincerely believe that this has potential to be far too important to let die.

I have chased this story since it's inception really in 2001 based on the original medical papers on enlargement in disease as mentioned.

This same story started and ended in a number of forums and in some all references that the thread had ever even existed were deleted. The only forum that I know of with the thread intact to this day is this one.

Surprisingly the first place that these concepts came forward were in a forum now gone that was owned by a little mom and pop body-building supplement company. A great deal was said there and then the entire thing just overnight evaporated.

What we need to do is to try and avoid driving this patent holder underground. If this fellow based on what he has goes into seclusion it is going to make what we as men need only more difficult. This is why I want the Patent Attorney to see what he can do before we all let anything get out of hand.

Postings relating to this are also on "Surgical Enlargement Forum" over at Yahoo Groups where I have been active for a long time and I did a very lengthy posting on this at that location earlier this evening.

If one reads the entire patent report and has above average medical knowledge this can be enhanced even more or at least it's chances can.

This can be done by implantation of a tiny drug catheter as is used with automatic pumps for such items as insulin, pain medications, cancer drugs and the like. If a drug catheter were implanted the "cocktail" could be easily made and "injected" in a calibrated trickle by the drug pump. Doing it this way would eliminate turning ones penis into a "pincushion" and the necessity of doing the repeated intra-cavernosal injections. It would make possible low flow drug in extremely low dosages 24 hours per day. In addition, I am familiar courtesey of a severely diabetic friend with the operation of these pumps. There is a feature on the right ones that would allow a "bolus" or small measured additional dose to be added at various times to compensate. By doing this literally you could wear the stupid pump wear clothing that is not revealing and grow your dick just like you did when you were in puberty. If the erection were to get too soft you push a little button on the pump and that button signals the pump to give you a tiny extra hit. If the erection does not come up in a few minutes you repeat the procedure. Again this is what a diabetic with a pump does to manage blood sugar.

I am beginning to search for an MD that will work with us on this one fellows!

Using a few variations this cocktail can with use of a pump remain sterile and safe for all, the minute variations in dosage can easily be coped with and what is even better is that with the implanted drug catheter the danger of infection is about NIL! You would have the main danger be at the time of implantation. That would be it! Done well, you could stay on a cocktail like that at least in theory for a period of years without problems. There is an alternate injection site at the base of the penis which will work for a pump and implanted drug catheter arrangement.

We have waited many moons for the "magic pill" (so to speak) being patient and carefull now will greatly increase our chances in the long term for success.

We also have to be careful in another way.

If the inventor and owner of this protocol is working to get FDA approval he is going to be less than cooperative. Because the FDA is about as secret as "Joan and Melissa Rivers at a Gossip Fest" the Patents had to be applied for prior to the FDA becoming involved.

We have to tread lightly or we ourselves in our zealousness to get what we want can create even more in the way of delays for ourselves.

Fuzzy Ken

P.S. For the "Beard Board" guy: If you want all the information that you could never get or see pictures of on Beard Board go to "mbhdatabase" and "growbh" in Yahoo groups.
 
Welcome to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] FuzzyKen.

I think I speak for all of us here when I say "thank you" for sharing your knowledge with us.

Please stay around and keep us updated.
 
Fuzzyken, I'm nicbro from Beard Board. Thanks for the tips on the yahoo groups, I will check them out.

Your ideas sound interesting and I wish you good luck with it.
 
This "patent application document" is one of the most fascinating things I've read in a long time.

Where can I sign up as a "guinea pig" :)

I guess I'll spend the rest of my life waiting for this "invention" to be released in Canada <:(
 
....or, I could keep an erection level of about 80% or more by jacking off for at least six hours every day (uninterupted) for the next two years :s

Voila, 10x8 rofl

Serioulsy, this is going to drive me insane, knowing that a mix of vasodilators and testosterone, properly administered will grow your penis, and it's unavailable to us.
 
This is going to be a very interesting ride for all of us and I am using every connection I can find to obtain more informtaion and confirm the legitimacy of what we have here. So far, it looks in the eyes of one MD I know and one more Urologist I know like it well might work.

I strongly advocate that each of you take the time and print out the 20 pages on the USPO site and study this in detail.

I personally "did the math" on this thing and if you break it down it gets a great deal more interesting, a wee bit scary and in some ways it becomes far more simple.

There is a great deal to break down in these pages. The patient figures are a good starting place so I will share that with you. I also suggest that each person purchase a cheap seamstress type of flexible measuring tape because then you can visualize the numbers.

Patient #1 Is a 41 year old male who did an initial course of treatment on the program that lasted for 18 months. Though he initially looks great his growth rate calculates out to .1555555 inches per month. This is the second worst growth rate in the entire study. In 18 months he went from 5.8 inches in length to 8.6 inches. His girth increase was 2.1 inches taking him from 3.7 to 5.8. A penis that under erection is only 3.7 inches in girth is indeed a very small penis with regards to girth.

This patient was off the protocol for over two years. He then goes back on the protocol with a few slight tweaks and in 10 weeks (2 1/2 months) gains an additional ".4-.5" inches. That growth rate computes out better at .20 or 1/5 inch per month.

If patient number one had extablished the higher growth rate from the beginning and had stayed stayed on the protocol for 24 months and assuming that we had no "plateauing" he would have at the end of 24 months reached 10.6 inches in length with corresponding girth increases.

Patient #2 In all normal theories patient #2 should do better because of his younger age (30 years). Patient number two in fact had the hightest growth rate of all at .35 inches per month. He was on the protocol for only 6 months and yet his gains were good. In six months he gained just under 2 inches in length. If we take his original numbers and run them on out assuming he would have maintained the growth rate what you have looks something like this. His starting length was 5.6 inches and increased to 7.7 in six months. Using that growth rate at the end of 12 months he would have reached 9.8 inches. If he had gone on as long as patient #1 and maintained the growth rate he would at the end of 18 months reached 11.9 inches and taken out to two years he would only have been able to find a sex partner in a zoo because he would have reached 14 inches in total length. His girth gains were incredible as well. At one year girth projections would have placed him at 7.4, 18 months would have been 9.5 and at the end of 24 months his girth would have reached 11.6 inches. To illustrate how truly monsterous that this would be lets take some common things that you have lying around and give an illustration. The average 12oz can of soda pop is 8 3/8 inches in girth. Two aluminum soda pop cans stacked one on top of the other reach 10 3/4 inches in height. If we stacked 3 soda pop cans on top of each other we have 14 1/2 inches. A penis in fact reaching these dimensions would sound great in a fantasy but the reality would be more of a problem than an asset. The other thing is that nobody knows how much blood and pressure it is going to take to get something like that to erect! The weight alone at that girth would be a problem and underwear or clothing would present quite a challenge!

Patient #3, a 52 year old male achieved a growth rate of .1857142 inch per month. This was a better growth rate than Patient number one achieved and the duration of this treatment was seven months. Considering that Patient #1 was eleven years younger at time of treatment this begins to give an indicator that maybe age is not a factor at least by this data. In the seven month treatment period he gained 1.3 inches going from 5 to 6.3 inches in length. Again projections assuming the same growth rate could be maintained would be 7.22 in length at one year, 8,34 in length at 18 months and 9.45 inches at two years.

Patient #4 a 34 year old male achieved a growth rate of .22 per month which is just short of 1/4 inch. His total duration of treatment was a very short four (4) months and in that time he gained 1.1 inches in length. Again doing projections on that data one year would have had him at 8.64 inches at one year, 9.96 at 18 months and 11.28 at two years.

Patient 5 and 6 had identical data and measurements. This is unusual, but would be the case of we had twin brothers or some such thing in testing. Though the protocols were not exactly identical the results were. The age of both of these men were the same at 44. These two men achieved the second highest growth rate in the sample which was .325 inches per month. The higher growth rate in two men of this age again points to age being less of a factor than many would think. The men doing this testing had to get who they could get to do this to generate the data. Both men went from a length of 5.2 to 6.5 inches in length which was a gain of 1.3 inches in the 4 months they were under treatment. The projections were pretty amazing too! At one year this growth rate at their beginning point would have had them at 7.15 inches at 6 months, 9.1 inches at 12, 11.05 at 18 and finally a whopping 13 inches at two years.

Patient #7 was an incredible example of age not being a factor. He was a 72 year old man and in the program for only 3 months. In that short 3 month duration he achieved a length increase of .20 per month for a total of .6 inch. The fact that we had improvement in a 72 year old at all was more than amazing. Both Patient #1 and #8 had slower growth rates. This is an indicator that even a person well into their "golden years" could have benefit from this.

Patient #8 was 47 years old and stayed in the program for 6 months where he achieved the slowest growth rate of all at .1333333 per month. He still in that time grew 8 tenths or just over 3/4 inch in that 6 months period.

Patient #9 at age 52 achieved a growth rate of .233333 per month and participated for four months.

Patient #10 in all theories should have had the best result based on being the youngest at age 27. This was not the case with a growth rate of .26 three patients had higher growth rates at older ages.

As time permits I will continue to break down more of this data in hopes that we can really find something meaningful here.

I have a second posting with some different related information, but I do not want to place that information here.

Best,
Fuzzy Ken
 
The one thing that this protocol will NOT be is cheap. The main active drugs are not the big problems. The erection inducing agents by comparison are relatively inexpensive especially when compared with orals such as Cialis, Levitra or Viagra. Also the other main active drug would be the oral Potaba. There is some question regarding the absolute necessity of the others.

The heaviest costs in this are going to be in the purchase of the drug pump, the catheter it needs to get the drug to the right location, and the implantation of that catheter via surgery. Right off you have about $6,500 for the pump, probably about $30 for the tiny catheter and then the variables of the surgical implantation to facilitate drug delivery. That is as yet an unknown, but one MD and friend said it would need a little more study, but he did not see that as a real major project and felt with a wild guess that it should be able to be done in about 30 minutes.

One thing that needs to be impressed here is that we are on totally new ground. This is still a time of information gathering and exploration as to what the facts and real practicality of this are. The pump cost is a known because of direct information, the other dollar figures are preliminary estimates.

Gentlemen there is no book! WE ARE THE ONES WRITING THE BOOK!

Having dealt with a drug pump in my past for a relative receiving pain medication with terminal cancer AND with a second friend who uses a pump for diabetes management I already know something about them.

The drug pump might actually make this almost fun........

My friend the diabetic is doing a major mailing to me via snail mail about the operation of this pump in detail. I already know with little doubt that this would be the ideal method of delivery for the erectile agents. We change and greatly improve the whole equation of this and if you read closely there are a few references to the use of a drug pump in the patent filings.

Until I have all the data in my hands I do not want to say more than what I am certain of or have paperwork to give me complete understanding of as facts.

Let's hope that we can get this to go where we want it to!

Best,

Fuzzy Ken
 
That price sounds reasonable considering the effectivness of the treatment. Those results are much better than current surgical procedures for Penis Enlargement.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
so you guys are willing to do intercavernosal injections every day for 6 months for an extra inch?
Let me ask you... how long did it take for you to gain 1" of length and girth?? for me, it took a solid year of very diligent work pulling and squeezing. If i can get that same gain in a few months with no work on my part, them i'm all for it.

For about $1,200 anyone can get a 6 month supply of an injectable vasodilator used for ED. Another couple of hundred dollars for oral potaba or dermal DHT as a potentiator. For less than $2,000 you can potentially increase your length and girth with virtually no physical effort on your part. How many of us guys have spent almost that much buying stretchers, hangers, and other Penis Enlargement related stuff??

As for the injections, i've done many cycles of AAS and had to inject myself. The needles use for IC injections are basically insulin needles which are virtually painless.

This process fits between manual Penis Enlargement and surgury in terms of cost to gains ratio.
 
FuzzyKen said:
...The heaviest costs in this are going to be in the purchase of the drug pump, the catheter it needs to get the drug to the right location, and the implantation of that catheter via surgery. Right off you have about $6,500 for the pump, probably about $30 for the tiny catheter and then the variables of the surgical implantation to facilitate drug delivery. That is as yet an unknown, but one MD and friend said it would need a little more study, but he did not see that as a real major project and felt with a wild guess that it should be able to be done in about 30 minutes....
Personally, i think that using a drug pump is an unnecessary cost. Great results were achieved with IC injections. The convenience of using the pump doesn't justify it's cost in my opinion since you have to add the cost of implantation of the catherter to the $6,500 price tag. The total price is now reaching that of phalloplasty.
 
sikdogg said:
Personally, i think that using a drug pump is an unnecessary cost. Great results were achieved with IC injections. The convenience of using the pump doesn't justify it's cost in my opinion since you have to add the cost of implantation of the catherter to the $6,500 price tag. The total price is now reaching that of phalloplasty.


not to mention there is additional cost of taking it out. I would say that's around 20 G's for an inch of penis. I stick to NPenis Enlargement for now. Needless to say noone yet knows the side effects of this. I'd hate to end up on a show like 'The Perfect Penis' and tell people (while my face is blurred) that I lost my penis to some wacky Penis Enlargement idea and now instead of having a larger penis, i have an ingrown dick with tits popping out of my chest.
 
Here's some info on Potaba...

Potaba (Aminobenzoate Potassium):

Aminobenzoate potassium (a-mee-noe-BEN-zoe-ate poe-TAS-ee-um) is used to treat fibrosis, a condition in which the skin and underlying tissues tighten and become less flexible. This condition occurs in such diseases as dermatomyositis, morphea, Peyronie's disease, scleroderma, and linear scleroderma.

Aminobenzoate potassium is also used to treat a certain type of inflammation (nonsuppurative inflammation) that occurs in such diseases as dermatomyositis, pemphigus, and Peyronie's disease.

Surprisingly, it is very in-expensive and can be purchases in bulk power form for roughly $70 per 500grams...

This drug seems to have alot of value with the patented process, but i speculate that it would be of great value to NPenis Enlargement as well... From what i've read, Potaba relaxes tissues including collagenous tissues (ligs and tunica). This is the value it adds to the patented process (as a potentiator), but there's no reason why it couldn't help when doing NPenis Enlargement work. I further speculate that gains from the patented process may be enhanced by adding manual stretching and/or an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] during the months of treatment.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
not to mention there is additional cost of taking it out. I would say that's around 20 G's for an inch of penis. I stick to NPenis Enlargement for now. Needless to say noone yet knows the side effects of this. I'd hate to end up on a show like 'The Perfect Penis' and tell people (while my face is blurred) that I lost my penis to some wacky Penis Enlargement idea and now instead of having a larger penis, i have an ingrown dick with tits popping out of my chest.
It's clearly not for everyone just like surgury... it does have science supporting it though, not to mention the 10 (or more) people that got good gains from it... This is far from a wacky Penis Enlargement idea though.

If it's not for you, that's cool but don't overlook the potential value some of the drugs used may have on NPenis Enlargement. We have to look beyond the obvious...
 
Sikdogg, do you know why a Potentiator (such as Relaxin or Potaba) is necessary to use alongside the Vasodilator?
I am guessing it is because the Potentiator is supposed to relax the tissues allowing for more expansion of the penis.

In the Patent application it mentions use of a Vasodilator like Prostaglandin E1, Papaverine or Phentolamine.

I understand Prostaglandin E1 can give some guys an uncomfortable ache in the penis where the other 2 do not.

I was informed that there is already a product on the market with all 3 in called Trimix prescribed to men with ED.
But they are not told to use a Potentiator with it.

I wondered what it was the guy was trying to patent if there is already a vasodilator product on the market. But he advocates the use of a Potentiator.

As for methods of administration there was some talk or oral, sub lingual or topical cream/gel.
I expect the most efficient way though is to inject, needles scare me :)

I see there are auto injectors with very small needles that can be used for injecting Trimix into the CC. You can inject into the left and right side of the penis from base to mid penis so there is no need to inject into the same place twice.

So I don't expect the auto injector to be very expensive, you already mentioned that a Potentiator (protaba) can be bought relatively cheaply but I expect the Trimix will be harder to get hold of without a prescription.
 
bluenun said:
Sikdogg, do you know why a Potentiator (such as Relaxin or Potaba) is necessary to use alongside the Vasodilator?
I am guessing it is because the Potentiator is supposed to relax the tissues allowing for more expansion of the penis.
This is what i believe also but it's not completely necessary... Patient #1 gained almost 3" in length and over 2" in girth. The document makes no mention of a potentiator. According to Fuzzyken's calculations, this person made the least gains on a per month basis but i speculate that gains may possibly decrease over time. All the other patients made greater gains on a per month basis but they were on the therapy for a much shorter period of time. Patient #1 did make better gains once therapy was started again so i further speculate that it may be best to run multiple shorter runs versus one long continuous run.

In the Patent application it mentions use of a Vasodilator like Prostaglandin E1, Papaverine or Phentolamine.

I understand Prostaglandin E1 can give some guys an uncomfortable ache in the penis where the other 2 do not.

I was informed that there is already a product on the market with all 3 in called Trimix prescribed to men with ED.
But they are not told to use a Potentiator with it.
I read that about Prostaglandin E1. Trimix is now very common and can be had by anyone willing to pay for the prescription... ~$1,200 for 6 months.

Since the use of a potentiator is for penis enlargement and Trimix is generally for ED, it is understandable that a potentiator isn't used with Trimix when prescribed for ED.

I wondered what it was the guy was trying to patent if there is already a vasodilator product on the market. But he advocates the use of a Potentiator.
He is trying to patent the process penis enlargement via extended erections thru the use of a vasodilator with or without the use of a potentiator.

As for methods of administration there was some talk or oral, sub lingual or topical cream/gel.
I expect the most efficient way though is to inject, needles scare me :)
The patent covers as much delivery methods as possible to minimize copycats...

I see there are auto injectors with very small needles that can be used for injecting Trimix into the CC. You can inject into the left and right side of the penis from base to mid penis so there is no need to inject into the same place twice.
This is correct... it may actually be better to cut the dose in half and inject twice to ensure that your erections don't go above 90% for more than an hour or so. Long term erections can cause ischemia.

So I don't expect the auto injector to be very expensive, you already mentioned that a Potentiator (protaba) can be bought relatively cheaply but I expect the Trimix will be harder to get hold of without a prescription.
Trimix can be had by anyone willing to pay the examination fee + the prescription fee. Call you local Boston Medical Group and set-up an appointment if you're interested...
 
bluenun said:
Sikdogg, do you know why a Potentiator (such as Relaxin or Potaba) is necessary to use alongside the Vasodilator?
I am guessing it is because the Potentiator is supposed to relax the tissues allowing for more expansion of the penis.
This is what i believe also but it's not completely necessary... Patient #1 gained almost 3" in length and over 2" in girth. The document makes no mention of a potentiator. According to Fuzzyken's calculations, this person made the least gains on a per month basis but i speculate that gains may possibly decrease over time. All the other patients made greater gains on a per month basis but they were on the therapy for a much shorter period of time. Patient #1 did make better gains once therapy was started again so i further speculate that it may be best to run multiple shorter runs versus one long continuous run.

In the Patent application it mentions use of a Vasodilator like Prostaglandin E1, Papaverine or Phentolamine.

I understand Prostaglandin E1 can give some guys an uncomfortable ache in the penis where the other 2 do not.

I was informed that there is already a product on the market with all 3 in called Trimix prescribed to men with ED.
But they are not told to use a Potentiator with it.
I read that about Prostaglandin E1. Trimix is now very common and can be had by anyone willing to pay for the prescription... ~$1,200 for 6 months.

Since the use of a potentiator is for penis enlargement and Trimix is generally for ED, it is understandable that a potentiator isn't used with Trimix when prescribed for ED.

I wondered what it was the guy was trying to patent if there is already a vasodilator product on the market. But he advocates the use of a Potentiator.
He is trying to patent the process penis enlargement via extended erections thru the use of a vasodilator with or without the use of a potentiator.

As for methods of administration there was some talk or oral, sub lingual or topical cream/gel.
I expect the most efficient way though is to inject, needles scare me :)
The patent covers as much delivery methods as possible to minimize copycats...

I see there are auto injectors with very small needles that can be used for injecting Trimix into the CC. You can inject into the left and right side of the penis from base to mid penis so there is no need to inject into the same place twice.
This is correct... it may actually be better to cut the dose in half and inject twice to ensure that your erections don't go above 90% for more than an hour or so. Long term erections can cause ischemia.

So I don't expect the auto injector to be very expensive, you already mentioned that a Potentiator (protaba) can be bought relatively cheaply but I expect the Trimix will be harder to get hold of without a prescription.
Trimix can be had by anyone willing to pay the examination fee + the prescription fee. Call you local Boston Medical Group and set-up an appointment if you're interested...
 
sikdogg said:
Here's some info on Potaba...



Surprisingly, it is very in-expensive and can be purchases in bulk power form for roughly $70 per 500grams...

This drug seems to have alot of value with the patented process, but i speculate that it would be of great value to NPenis Enlargement as well... From what i've read, Potaba relaxes tissues including collagenous tissues (ligs and tunica). This is the value it adds to the patented process (as a potentiator), but there's no reason why it couldn't help when doing NPenis Enlargement work. I further speculate that gains from the patented process may be enhanced by adding manual stretching and/or an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] during the months of treatment.


Now doesn't THAT just torque your jaws. :O
I'm fairly certain we could all stop at that right there. we won't need a Vasodialator. We can just clamp and edge for an hour in its stead. of course it may not have as long a duration as a 2-3 hour long erection (which could cause problems). But I'm fairly certain the degree of pressure achieved by a clamp is far higher than that of an errection.


So sikdogg, I live in Canada, do you know where and how I can get a hold of this Potaba?

Also, I'm a bodybuilder and a heavy weight lifter. do you think being on this (which relaxes ligs) would make me more prone to injury?
 
Trimix can be had by anyone willing to pay the examination fee + the prescription fee. Call you local Boston Medical Group and set-up an appointment if you're interested...[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reply sikdogg, I am in the UK so an examination by Boston medical group is out of the question as I am not visiting the USA in the near future. There is no way my GP would prescribe this for me :)

If I could get hold of it I think a 2 or 3 month trial would be good so if I could get 1 or 2 other Uk guys interested we could split the cost.

I think the desired level of erection would be between 60% and 90%. 3 to 5 hours total duration even as you say it is done with 2 injections.
Preppies is something to be avoided as it would take me about an hour to get to my nearest hospital, risk of gangrene, and it would be an embarrassing situation too.

"Also, I'm a bodybuilder and a heavy weight lifter. do you think being on this (which relaxes ligs) would make me more prone to injury?"

Good question vaseline, I was wondering that myself last night.
If it was injected into the penis then it would not be a problem but if taken orally this would be a concern of mine.
 
Preppies above should have read Priapism, the spell check did not recognise Priapism and I accidentally clicked preppies :)

I think the desired level of erection would be between 60% and 90%. 3 to 5 hours total duration even as you say it is done with 2 injections.
Priapism is something to be avoided as it would take me about an hour to get to my nearest hospital, risk of gangrene, and it would be an embarrassing situation too.

Adding this,

"[0019] The engorgement of the invention is typically for a "cumulative prolonged" period, as described further below. The engorgement period is thus usually at least 3 hours, but may be 31/2 hours, 4 hours, 41/2 hours, 5 hours, 51/2 hours, even up to 6 hours, but heavy engorgement of a penis, say 40% or more, is usually avoided for extended periods of time, i.e., of more than 6 hours. The erectile response may, thus, be of the 3-6 hours engorgement resulting from a single administration per 24 hours or as a result of a plurality of administrations in this 24 hours period."

So I wonder if it the cumulative time could be broken up into a morning and evening session of 2 to 3 hours each session.
 
Potaba: AMINOBENZOATE POTASSIUM
Manufacturer: Glenwood


PRODUCT OVERVIEW


KEY FACTS

Potaba® (Aminobenzoate Potassium, USP) is considered a member of the vitamin B complex. It has been suggested that the antifibrotic action of Potaba® is due to its mediation of increased oxygen uptake at the tissue level.

B]PHARMACOLOGY
[/B]

P-Aminobenzoate is considered a member of the vitamin B complex. Small amounts are found in cereal, eggs, milk and meats. Detectable amounts are normally present in human blood, spinal fluid, urine, and sweat. PABA is a component of several biologically important systems, and it participates in a number of fundamental biological processes.

It has been suggested that the antifibrosis action of POTABA® is due to its mediation of increased oxygen uptake at the tissue level. Fibrosis is believed to occur from either too much serotonin or too little monoamine oxidase (MAO) activity over a period of time. Monoamine oxidase requires an adequate supply of oxygen to function properly. By increasing oxygen supply at the tissue level POTABA® may enhance MAO activity and prevent or bring about regression of fibrosis.


CLINICAL USES

Penis EnlargementYRONIE'S DISEASE: 21 patients with Peyronie's disease were placed on POTABA® therapy for periods ranging from 3 months to 2 years. Pain disappeared from 16 of 16 cases in which it had been present. There was objective improvement in penile deformity in 10 of 17 patients, and decrease in plaque size in 16 of 21. The authors suggest that this medication offers no hazard of further local injury as may result from other therapy. There were no significant untoward effects encountered on long term POTABA® therapy.


What is the advantage of taking Potaba?

Therapy with POTABA is non-toxic, low risk treatment for conditions that are usually long-term. This regimen represents a good possibility of softening hard tissue. As there is a very low incidence of drug interactions, many other medications may be continued while you are taking POTABA. It is highly soluble in water and therefore readily absorbed.

How long should I take Potaba? How soon will I see results?

Length of therapy varies considerably with disease state and from person to person. It may be two to three months before results are noticeable.
Are there foods, drink, or activites I should avoid while taking Potaba?

POTABA therapy is most acceptable when taken in conjunction with meals or snacks. There are no specific foods or drinks to avoid, but it is good to keep a normal dietary intake to prevent stomach upset or low blood sugar. The doctor should know if you are on a special diet. Usual activities can be encouraged. If you are pregnant, planning to become pregnant, or nursing an infant your doctor should be notified so this can be taken into consideration when prescribing POTABA or any prescription medication


Hmm, I'm not sure if sports and weight training is considered 'usual activity'?
Let's get our heads together on this one.
It might be possible that 'big gainers' have something in their diet that makes them gain easier! Maybe this is it! after all it's a naturally occuring substance and a member of the B-complex Vitamins!

Here are my sources!



http://www.glenwood-llc.com/potaba.html
http://www.drugs.com/PDR/Potaba_Powder.html







bluenun said:
"Also, I'm a bodybuilder and a heavy weight lifter. do you think being on this (which relaxes ligs) would make me more prone to injury?"

Good question vaseline, I was wondering that myself last night.
If it was injected into the penis then it would not be a problem but if taken orally this would be a concern of mine.
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
...So sikdogg, I live in Canada, do you know where and how I can get a hold of this Potaba?

Also, I'm a bodybuilder and a heavy weight lifter. do you think being on this (which relaxes ligs) would make me more prone to injury?
I think if you just do a Google search for you'll find many sources.

I would definitely ease back on the training intensity while on Potaba...
 
bluenun said:
..."[0019] The engorgement of the invention is typically for a "cumulative prolonged" period, as described further below. The engorgement period is thus usually at least 3 hours, but may be 31/2 hours, 4 hours, 41/2 hours, 5 hours, 51/2 hours, even up to 6 hours, but heavy engorgement of a penis, say 40% or more, is usually avoided for extended periods of time, i.e., of more than 6 hours. The erectile response may, thus, be of the 3-6 hours engorgement resulting from a single administration per 24 hours or as a result of a plurality of administrations in this 24 hours period."

So I wonder if it the cumulative time could be broken up into a morning and evening session of 2 to 3 hours each session.
I think what the document is advocating is a single span of 3-6 hours. That span may require multiple administrations of the vasodilator as necessary to achieve the 3-6 hour window. Erection levels during that 3-6 hour period should be between 40-90%. You never want to have an erection of more than 90% for more than 1-1.5 hours. I would assume that the first hour you will prolly be most engored from the vasodilator and erection level tapers down from there...
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
what do you mean?
Fascia is a membrane that surrounds and separates muscles and is very similar in structure as the tunica. They are both collagenous tissues... Alot of bodybuilders do very intense stretches after working out a muscle group to stretch the fascia. It is supposed to help with growth in the same way that stretching the tunica enlarges the penis.

Read here... http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/magazine/fascialstretching.htm
 
So if I'm to go to my doctor to get a perscribtion for Potaba capsules, what should I tell him? what compelling reasons should I give him? can't just say
'I want potaba for big shlong! now givee>:( '
 
Vaseline_Knight said:
So if I'm to go to my doctor to get a perscribtion for Potaba capsules, what should I tell him? what compelling reasons should I give him? can't just say
'I want potaba for big shlong! now givee>:( '


Why ask for a script when it is so cheap?

I googled and found 500g in capsule form for $47.50.

If you take 2g 4 x a day you have a 2 month supply.
 
bluenun said:
Why ask for a script when it is so cheap?

I googled and found 500g in capsule form for $47.50.

If you take 2g 4 x a day you have a 2 month supply.


well i live in canada, i dont think you can order perscribtion medication with out a perscribtion. or can you?
 
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