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REDZULU2003;417589 said:
I've found out how to do this. I stay as relaxed as possible during masturbation I try not to kegal but if a few happens it doesn't matter too much. When I feel myself getting closer to the PONR I either stop or slow down to were I can get closer to the PONR( I call this riding the wave of the PONR, because you can either wipe out and bust or ride the wave) then I kegal really hard until I feel I have control(between 5-20 seconds). Then I repeat, now this time around its more intense I usually have to focus on my breathing and really relax. When you get close to the wave of the PONR its going to feel like your having an orgasm but if you look you won't be ejaculating yet. You don't want to ride that wave for too long or you will confuse ejaculation with orgasm and wipe out. Rinse and repeat, that's what I do. It does get more intense with everyone you hold back. In my opinion it feels alot better than just busting a nut. I always try to go to 3 stops before just stopping or I will loose control, I'm trying to build myself up. The mind set I'm in when I do this is the multiorgasm feeling feels better than the actual nut so I try tell myself that so I don't blow my load.
You can also do this to shoot your load really far. You just have to stop near the PONR not slow down at it but STOP then starting masturbating again and kegal at the same time and your instantly Spider man
If something similar has been posted like this I'm sorry about that and I didn't know.
Turnover;420640 said:
I know, I want to change it but I never do. I know I am becoming sick because of my lack of diet and exercise but this depression I am going through seems to be lingering. I really hope the spring gets my mood better. I have just been extra depressed
doublelongdaddy;420645 said:I know, I want to change it but I never do. I know I am becoming sick because of my lack of diet and exercise but this depression I am going through seems to be lingering. I really hope the spring gets my mood better. I have just been extra depressed
Usually people who have so much good in them are
doublelongdaddy;420648 said:
No seriously man, no one knows better than you. What you are is around people who are down so they bring you down. If you were in a town like I live in you would have no way you could feel sad. Anything and everything is here. You can change it you know this like I said better than anyone. Why aren't you changing it? You have been complaining about it since I ever met you. You're diet, smoking, no exercise, and interaction with other people stop you from getting away from it. Maybe it is a lack of motivation like you say and you don't change, but you need to kick your own ass with some good music, good food, and good friends. How is it you have helped me so much and you are the same? You have to help yourself so what are you waiting for? I always say we guys have all the tools we need and you are #1. Don't let your emotions keep you from enjoying every second of your life. We need you DLD, every guy and even girls rely on your successful creation, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. Good luck on your art studio this month- I know you will master that like you have with everything else in your life. What you need is to relax and let life play out for you the way it is meant to and not force it. Just take a bath. ... jk or maybe yeah
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Benefits of Exercising your penis muscles
I have been performing exercises known as "kegels" since 2001, and personally, as far as my own body is concerned, I have mastered kegels. There is no new area of erection firmness or control that anything I can read or hear can take me to.
I don't know, or care, what other people are saying about these kegels or the muscles they affect these days, because I am pretty sure that I have gone as far as a person would want to go in terms of erection strength, shooting velocity and erection staying power, unless they wish to harm their body.
Benefits and Limits
I have had erections that are so engorged that it is scary - you know you can engorge the penis as much as you want but there is a point at which it seems that it will burst or cause some major injury.
I have had erections that stayed as long as I wanted regardless of how many times I came (not ejaculated, but came - the two aren't dependent on each other), but you reach a point where it becomes boring. And no chick that I have ever been with wants to have sex non stop all night. You reach a point where they become numb and dry from all the thrusting and it takes away from all the fun you have had and becomes an exercise in endurance instead of a passionate encounter.
And I have had erections that feel like a steel pipe right after ejaculating as if I didn't ejactulate at all - ie you ejaculate and the dick is in a state that it can just keep fucking/wanking - but immediately after you ejaculate, psychologically you normally don't feel like more sex, even if your dick is up for it. The trick is to simply not ejaculate so you can still feel the lust.
And finally regarding ejaculation velocity and strength, I have reached a stage where ejaculation really feels like you are hurting yourself. ie you ejaculate so hard that your abdomen "pops" like a double joint, and the tendons one the side of the dick feel like they have ripped - and it is fucking painful.
Obviously (I hope) you would not want to reach these stages. The reason I have said the things I said above is to support my statement - as far as my body is concerned, I have reached the limits of what kegelling can offer, and since our bodies are mostly similar, I believe that this should be your one stop shop for learning how to get the most out of kegels, so read on:
Part 1
About Kegels
To put it concisely, a kegel works two main muscles in your penis and pelvis, depending on the type of kegel you do: the PC and the BC muscles.
The PC muscle directly affects erection strength - an erection occurs by a two stage process:
a. blood is pumped into the penis from your pelvis
b. blood is restricted (not prevented) from exiting from the penis to the pelvis
The PC muscle is the primary controller of these two stages. It is worked directly by utilizing regular as well as reverse kegels.
The BC muscle is assumed to be responsible for ejaculation. That spasm you feel when ejaculating is the BC muscle. Ideally a stronger BC muscle creates stronger spams which results in a stronger "spurt" of semen when you ejaculate. A well defined BC muscle allows you to control how hard you cum.
I believe that the BC is worked indirectly by utilizing regular as well as reverse kegels, but MAINLY THROUGH REVERSE KEGELS.
Part 2
Types of Kegels
There are two types of Kegels: Regular and Reverse
As I mentioned above: an erection occurs by a two stage process:
a. blood is pumped into the penis from your pelvis
b. blood is restricted (not prevented) from exiting to penis to the pelvis
Regular kegels increase your power to increase point b above. This results in a rock hard erection, and when I say rock hard, I don't mean an engorged penis that feels like it's going to explode, I mean, literally a penis that doesn't feel like a penis, but more like a piece of wood or steel. This is a great feeling to have when you have an erection, but if you had the ability to engorge the penis you enter a new realm.
For most people who are new to kegels, to perform a basic kegel, which can allow you to feel the PC muscle, simply go to the toilet and start urinating.
Then:
i. about 5 seconds after you start urinating, stop the flow, then hold for 5 seconds, then start the flow again
ii. repeat a for the duration of the urination
By the end you should have a firm grasp of what is happening when you kegel.
For the engorged rock hard penis you need to work on a thing called Reverse Kegels.
The reverse kegel involves pushing blood into your penis.
Did you ever wonder why you sometimes get erections when taking a dump? Its because while you are pushing the shit out you are also indirectly pushing blood, through the PC muscle, into your penis.
Taking the example of urinating that I put above, when you stopped the flow, you performed a regular kegel. If you then forced the flow to restart you performed a reverse kegel.
A person with a developed PC muscle has rock hard erection automatically. As soon as he becomes sufficiently aroused, it will be difficult to lose the erection, because the developed (and therefore larger) PC muscle automatically restricts more blood flow from leaving the penis.
Part 3
The Ultimate Erection
A person that has developed their ability to reverse kegel can perform an exercise I call the kegel pump (maybe others call it something else, but here I refer to it as a kegel pump).
Kegel Pump
The Kegel Pump serves two purposes:
1. engorge the penis greatly which increases erection girth during the erection!
2. prevent you from cumming (not just ejaculating, but cumming altogether)
Simply put, it involves performing a reverse kegel followed by a regular kegel. ie. you push blood into your penis, then strongly contract the PC muscle, in a pumping motion - think of blowing into a baloon. You blow all the air out of your lungs and into the baloon, then squeeze the opening of the baloon while you inhale air into your lungs, then you repeat the process.
In terms of the Kegel Pump, you push the blood out of the pelvis and into the penis, then squeeze the arteries that send the blood back to the pelvis by contracting your PC muscle, while the artery that send blood INTO the penis increases in pressure as blood is circulated into your pelvis. Then you push that blood into the penis and repeat.
If, when you feel close to cumming, you perform an extended kegel pump (ie a very long regular kegel followed by a reverse kegel) your penis will feel like it is becoming numb (but in a good way) while still being rock hard, and it will allow you to keep fucking until that feeling of urgency to come goes away, leaving you in a state of extreme hornyness.
The advanced kegeller achieves the this ultimate erection and staying power by using the kegel pump.
Being able to do a kegel pump is like learning how to ride a bicycle: Once you can do it, you can always do it, even if you stop kegelling for a few months, but its effect will be greatly diminished.
Part 4
A Proven Routine
Routine level: Beginners and Advanced
Based on my years of kegelling I'd like to share an easy to follow routine that I have devised that will get those muscles nice and strong.
Rule 1: Consistency - Incorporate into other routines
You will find lots of routines around here that incporporate kegels into the warm up and warm down. It is the easiest thing to do and quite effective. The problem is that this restricts kegels to Penis Enlargement exercises which a lot of people don't follow religiously.
Kegels should be followed religiously because it is harder to overtrain the PC muscle (is it is working when ever you pee, stand up, shit, wank, have sex and sleep)
Incorporate the kegels into your mornings, when you brush your teeth. This will have two advantages -
1. You will kegel every week day at least.
2. you will spend more time brushing your teeth which is VERY important for looks and hygiene. We don't walk around flashing our cocks but we do flash our teeth when we are smiling to a woman.
Rule 2 – minimum 4 minutes per weekday (It’s just 4 mins!!! DON'T BE A LAZY WUSS!!!)
Basic routine
This involves a 260 second count while brushing your teeth.
0 – 200: There is no rest period in these:
0 - 100 → 100 x quick and hard - Flex your PC muscle sharply every second
101 - 150 → 25 x 2 second squeeze – This is more like a 50 second hold in which you release your contraction on ever 2nd second count. So you hold for two, then release and immediately hold for another two.
151 - 200 → 5 x 5 second squeeze similar to the 2 second squeeze, but these squeezes are performed with the hardest contraction. When you do these, imagine that you are trying to lift the tip of your penis, not just squeeze the PC at the base. This is the quencher. Be good at this and you will go very far.
201-220 → rest the PC muscle. Focus on making it as relaxed as possible.
221 – 260 → The PC hold. I do this while brushing my wisdom teeth – an often neglected part of the mouth. These are the teeth right at the back and there are four of them. I spend 10 seconds on each one for a total of 40 seconds. HOLD YOUR PC AS HARD AS YOU EVER HAVE FOR THESE 40 SECONDS. Take deep breaths if you have to. JUST DON’T LET GO. Your PC should be on fire by the end.
There you go. Easy to do, doesn’t take a lot of time, gives good results.
Once you feel you can take it to the next step, try the SUPenis EnlargementR LONG HOLD
Slow Contraction
Another exercise to implement into your workouts is the Slow Contraction (I forget what the original name for the exercise is, as I found out about it years ago on other sites).
Easy to do while you brush your teeth
Each set consists of three stages:
1. Starting position: completely relaxed. Contract slowly for a 5 second count gradually building the force of your contraction until, at "5" you are 100% contracted
2. Starting position: completely contracted - hold at 100% or 110% - ie contract as hard as possible for a 5 second count
3. Starting position: completely contracted - gradually release the contraction until, at the 5 second count you are completely relaxed
repeat 5 times
Source of this information was by another member from another site
I have been performing exercises known as "kegels" since 2001, and personally, as far as my own body is concerned, I have mastered kegels. There is no new area of erection firmness or control that anything I can read or hear can take me to.
I don't know, or care, what other people are saying about these kegels or the muscles they affect these days, because I am pretty sure that I have gone as far as a person would want to go in terms of erection strength, shooting velocity and erection staying power, unless they wish to harm their body.
Benefits and Limits
I have had erections that are so engorged that it is scary - you know you can engorge the penis as much as you want but there is a point at which it seems that it will burst or cause some major injury.
I have had erections that stayed as long as I wanted regardless of how many times I came (not ejaculated, but came - the two aren't dependent on each other), but you reach a point where it becomes boring. And no chick that I have ever been with wants to have sex non stop all night. You reach a point where they become numb and dry from all the thrusting and it takes away from all the fun you have had and becomes an exercise in endurance instead of a passionate encounter.
And I have had erections that feel like a steel pipe right after ejaculating as if I didn't ejactulate at all - ie you ejaculate and the dick is in a state that it can just keep fucking/wanking - but immediately after you ejaculate, psychologically you normally don't feel like more sex, even if your dick is up for it. The trick is to simply not ejaculate so you can still feel the lust.
And finally regarding ejaculation velocity and strength, I have reached a stage where ejaculation really feels like you are hurting yourself. ie you ejaculate so hard that your abdomen "pops" like a double joint, and the tendons one the side of the dick feel like they have ripped - and it is fucking painful.
Obviously (I hope) you would not want to reach these stages. The reason I have said the things I said above is to support my statement - as far as my body is concerned, I have reached the limits of what kegelling can offer, and since our bodies are mostly similar, I believe that this should be your one stop shop for learning how to get the most out of kegels, so read on:
Part 1
About Kegels
To put it concisely, a kegel works two main muscles in your penis and pelvis, depending on the type of kegel you do: the PC and the BC muscles.
The PC muscle directly affects erection strength - an erection occurs by a two stage process:
a. blood is pumped into the penis from your pelvis
b. blood is restricted (not prevented) from exiting from the penis to the pelvis
The PC muscle is the primary controller of these two stages. It is worked directly by utilizing regular as well as reverse kegels.
The BC muscle is assumed to be responsible for ejaculation. That spasm you feel when ejaculating is the BC muscle. Ideally a stronger BC muscle creates stronger spams which results in a stronger "spurt" of semen when you ejaculate. A well defined BC muscle allows you to control how hard you cum.
I believe that the BC is worked indirectly by utilizing regular as well as reverse kegels, but MAINLY THROUGH REVERSE KEGELS.
Part 2
Types of Kegels
There are two types of Kegels: Regular and Reverse
As I mentioned above: an erection occurs by a two stage process:
a. blood is pumped into the penis from your pelvis
b. blood is restricted (not prevented) from exiting to penis to the pelvis
Regular kegels increase your power to increase point b above. This results in a rock hard erection, and when I say rock hard, I don't mean an engorged penis that feels like it's going to explode, I mean, literally a penis that doesn't feel like a penis, but more like a piece of wood or steel. This is a great feeling to have when you have an erection, but if you had the ability to engorge the penis you enter a new realm.
For most people who are new to kegels, to perform a basic kegel, which can allow you to feel the PC muscle, simply go to the toilet and start urinating.
Then:
i. about 5 seconds after you start urinating, stop the flow, then hold for 5 seconds, then start the flow again
ii. repeat a for the duration of the urination
By the end you should have a firm grasp of what is happening when you kegel.
For the engorged rock hard penis you need to work on a thing called Reverse Kegels.
The reverse kegel involves pushing blood into your penis.
Did you ever wonder why you sometimes get erections when taking a dump? Its because while you are pushing the shit out you are also indirectly pushing blood, through the PC muscle, into your penis.
Taking the example of urinating that I put above, when you stopped the flow, you performed a regular kegel. If you then forced the flow to restart you performed a reverse kegel.
A person with a developed PC muscle has rock hard erection automatically. As soon as he becomes sufficiently aroused, it will be difficult to lose the erection, because the developed (and therefore larger) PC muscle automatically restricts more blood flow from leaving the penis.
Part 3
The Ultimate Erection
A person that has developed their ability to reverse kegel can perform an exercise I call the kegel pump (maybe others call it something else, but here I refer to it as a kegel pump).
Kegel Pump
The Kegel Pump serves two purposes:
1. engorge the penis greatly which increases erection girth during the erection!
2. prevent you from cumming (not just ejaculating, but cumming altogether)
Simply put, it involves performing a reverse kegel followed by a regular kegel. ie. you push blood into your penis, then strongly contract the PC muscle, in a pumping motion - think of blowing into a baloon. You blow all the air out of your lungs and into the baloon, then squeeze the opening of the baloon while you inhale air into your lungs, then you repeat the process.
In terms of the Kegel Pump, you push the blood out of the pelvis and into the penis, then squeeze the arteries that send the blood back to the pelvis by contracting your PC muscle, while the artery that send blood INTO the penis increases in pressure as blood is circulated into your pelvis. Then you push that blood into the penis and repeat.
If, when you feel close to cumming, you perform an extended kegel pump (ie a very long regular kegel followed by a reverse kegel) your penis will feel like it is becoming numb (but in a good way) while still being rock hard, and it will allow you to keep fucking until that feeling of urgency to come goes away, leaving you in a state of extreme hornyness.
The advanced kegeller achieves the this ultimate erection and staying power by using the kegel pump.
Being able to do a kegel pump is like learning how to ride a bicycle: Once you can do it, you can always do it, even if you stop kegelling for a few months, but its effect will be greatly diminished.
Part 4
A Proven Routine
Routine level: Beginners and Advanced
Based on my years of kegelling I'd like to share an easy to follow routine that I have devised that will get those muscles nice and strong.
Rule 1: Consistency - Incorporate into other routines
You will find lots of routines around here that incporporate kegels into the warm up and warm down. It is the easiest thing to do and quite effective. The problem is that this restricts kegels to Penis Enlargement exercises which a lot of people don't follow religiously.
Kegels should be followed religiously because it is harder to overtrain the PC muscle (is it is working when ever you pee, stand up, shit, wank, have sex and sleep)
Incorporate the kegels into your mornings, when you brush your teeth. This will have two advantages -
1. You will kegel every week day at least.
2. you will spend more time brushing your teeth which is VERY important for looks and hygiene. We don't walk around flashing our cocks but we do flash our teeth when we are smiling to a woman.
Rule 2 – minimum 4 minutes per weekday (It’s just 4 mins!!! DON'T BE A LAZY WUSS!!!)
Basic routine
This involves a 260 second count while brushing your teeth.
0 – 200: There is no rest period in these:
0 - 100 → 100 x quick and hard - Flex your PC muscle sharply every second
101 - 150 → 25 x 2 second squeeze – This is more like a 50 second hold in which you release your contraction on ever 2nd second count. So you hold for two, then release and immediately hold for another two.
151 - 200 → 5 x 5 second squeeze similar to the 2 second squeeze, but these squeezes are performed with the hardest contraction. When you do these, imagine that you are trying to lift the tip of your penis, not just squeeze the PC at the base. This is the quencher. Be good at this and you will go very far.
201-220 → rest the PC muscle. Focus on making it as relaxed as possible.
221 – 260 → The PC hold. I do this while brushing my wisdom teeth – an often neglected part of the mouth. These are the teeth right at the back and there are four of them. I spend 10 seconds on each one for a total of 40 seconds. HOLD YOUR PC AS HARD AS YOU EVER HAVE FOR THESE 40 SECONDS. Take deep breaths if you have to. JUST DON’T LET GO. Your PC should be on fire by the end.
There you go. Easy to do, doesn’t take a lot of time, gives good results.
Once you feel you can take it to the next step, try the SUPenis EnlargementR LONG HOLD
Slow Contraction
Another exercise to implement into your workouts is the Slow Contraction (I forget what the original name for the exercise is, as I found out about it years ago on other sites).
Easy to do while you brush your teeth
Each set consists of three stages:
1. Starting position: completely relaxed. Contract slowly for a 5 second count gradually building the force of your contraction until, at "5" you are 100% contracted
2. Starting position: completely contracted - hold at 100% or 110% - ie contract as hard as possible for a 5 second count
3. Starting position: completely contracted - gradually release the contraction until, at the 5 second count you are completely relaxed
repeat 5 times
Source of this information was by another member from another site
I have something to offer, its easy and everyone has these points in their bodies.
Thanks to red for reviving this so I do not have to, anyway here it is incorporate these pressure points
and you can hold off the point of no return and vise verily hit this other point to cum instantly and with explosive results.
First point: ~1-1.5" above the left nipple, do this stand up take YOUR left hand take finger steps from the middle of the (in your own point of view) left nipple upwards 1-1.5 inches.
Then slowly press inwards at first it will be hard to find the exact spot but when you hit it you almost feel like its a rib. I am not 100% sure if it forcibly cause you to RK or not, but my experience is that it does.
I wanted to add this since it might help some of yall with the breathing problem associated with doing a RK.
Second point: now this one involves a point along your pelvic girdle so im not sure if its a mental thing or just and actual pressure point.
I think its a bit of both since from a mental standpoint it could be a relfex the body uses to make sure a woman is impregnated since it makes me shoot out a good 2-3 streams at least a foot long. The point is along the public synthesis just but touching rubbing
here quickly causes excitement (in my own experience) next time you are training to prolong and control ejaculation incorporate these two points and give some feed back.
They work for me I hope they work for you.
Thanks to red for reviving this so I do not have to, anyway here it is incorporate these pressure points
and you can hold off the point of no return and vise verily hit this other point to cum instantly and with explosive results.
First point: ~1-1.5" above the left nipple, do this stand up take YOUR left hand take finger steps from the middle of the (in your own point of view) left nipple upwards 1-1.5 inches.
Then slowly press inwards at first it will be hard to find the exact spot but when you hit it you almost feel like its a rib. I am not 100% sure if it forcibly cause you to RK or not, but my experience is that it does.
I wanted to add this since it might help some of yall with the breathing problem associated with doing a RK.
Second point: now this one involves a point along your pelvic girdle so im not sure if its a mental thing or just and actual pressure point.
I think its a bit of both since from a mental standpoint it could be a relfex the body uses to make sure a woman is impregnated since it makes me shoot out a good 2-3 streams at least a foot long. The point is along the public synthesis just but touching rubbing
here quickly causes excitement (in my own experience) next time you are training to prolong and control ejaculation incorporate these two points and give some feed back.
They work for me I hope they work for you.
REDZULU2003;421119 said:
Kegel master I need you advise.... As I already mentioned in another thread I had a big increase of the penis sensivity and this makes me cum a lot faster. I-m getting used to it and now I can control more. But I was thinking of incorporating the kegels to last even longer.... My questions are >
- I-ve seen that the best is to do a reverse kegel and the a normal kegel but should I do it when I feel that I-ll be coming soon or should I do it regularly during sex?
- How long should the reverse and normal kegel last?
Thanks.
PS - I already train my kegels. It-s part of my Penis Enlargement routine. I-m doing them right now ...... lol
apolo;421999 said:
Kegels should be done first for better, stronger erections, the stronger your pelvic floor muscles the harder your erections will be, something necessary as you gain size. Control is practiced during masturbation and sex by engaging in variations of the kegel and reverse kegel. It is different for every guy but how I learned is through masturbation. I would edge pretty close to orgasm and then I would experiment with k/rk until I found the happy medium. It took me some time to perfect it but today I can pretty much go forever and release when I choose.
Hi here
Ok so for the last week I have been using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and I find it great. However I aint that much woried about my lenght which is around 6" I am more woried about my last. Well I am more or less able to MMO but I like to put my semen in to the girl and if she sucks it I dont want to come in 1min.
So what I have been struglinh lately are those exercises. I mean when practicing kegels I can hold them pretty good and I can also hold a reverse kegel (I can stop pieing instantly and control peing, I can also pee harder with no problem) but when I mastrubate which I am doing for last few days
I just cant control that much. Anyhow when I am standing it seems I can control it a little bit more with reverse kegels then I did in past. Anyhow do you have any exercises which I should be doing and stuff ?
I am now combining 5 sec kegels with a reverse kegels but I can hold a reverse kegel for I dont know 10 mins is that possible or maybe I just aint doing them right ?
If I could only master my ejac
Ok so for the last week I have been using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and I find it great. However I aint that much woried about my lenght which is around 6" I am more woried about my last. Well I am more or less able to MMO but I like to put my semen in to the girl and if she sucks it I dont want to come in 1min.
So what I have been struglinh lately are those exercises. I mean when practicing kegels I can hold them pretty good and I can also hold a reverse kegel (I can stop pieing instantly and control peing, I can also pee harder with no problem) but when I mastrubate which I am doing for last few days
I just cant control that much. Anyhow when I am standing it seems I can control it a little bit more with reverse kegels then I did in past. Anyhow do you have any exercises which I should be doing and stuff ?I am now combining 5 sec kegels with a reverse kegels but I can hold a reverse kegel for I dont know 10 mins is that possible or maybe I just aint doing them right ?
If I could only master my ejac
I would like to learn more I shall subscribe to you newsletter (the simpsons)
I knew this trick a long time ago, but there is just one big con: it feels like shit (imho). The joy is partially gone.
Anyone has the same 'problem'?
Anyone has the same 'problem'?
NoStopping;432479 said:
Lasting longer can also me a completely mental thing that requires no exercise. Finding the balance of kegel/reverse kegel can be tricky and takes a lot of practice. WIth that said, practice can feel like work and make sex feel more like an exercise than sex. I suggest that you practice the technique in masturbation. During sex try to follow the DLD Reverse Psychology Exercise, this will help you last longer without the kegels.
i knew about this before. to sum it up in one word,AMAZING! having a strong pc muscle will make you last even longer without trying. i made love to my girlfriend for 2 hours and finally came when she had enough. could have gone for longer but its she was satisfied. if you want a intense workout, search "advance pc muscle excercises love scene" on google. do those every day or every other day and in just one week you will be amazed. its more intense thatn the 100 squeezes. so, check it out all of you that want to become even BETTER!!
I have had problems with enlarge prostate and early ejaculation for sometime now, my urologist gave me a combo a two drugs to shrink it and increase the flow of urine. I find useful apart from reverse kegels to relax the muscle surrounding the front pelvic bone and return to more normal breathing without the over excitement in expectation to ejaculate as it occurs with masturbation
And finally, I have a non-Penis Enlargement related question: kegels! Now, months before I began my Penis Enlargement enlargement I wanted to learn how to increase my sexual [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words], and I read many sources that advised the strengthening of one's pelvic floor muscles. I was hungry to know this knowledge because I did not last too long with my hands...so I knew an abysmal future of ejaculating prematurely would be awaiting me at this rate. Yes, I am a virgin. I knew that if I could not last too long with my hands, then there would be no way in HELL I could last in a good, wet piece of pussy.
Luckily, I have been doing kegels for months which helped my Penis Enlargement from the get go. I eased into my stretches naturally as there was no "pullback" or any other involuntarily reflex from grabbing my penis. I have conditioned my pelvic floor muscles, along with the muscles adjacent to it, to remain calm and not constantly stay flexed. When I first began my kegels, it was odd, to say the least. It was even more eccentric thinking of the visual imagery...the idea of me isolating a muscle that is near my anal sphincter. About a month and a half down the road, I am able to clamp my muscle for a much longer time and blast away those kegels with less fatigue, but yet I was still confused as to why I was ejaculating even quicker. I figured I had to be doing something wrong...I hate to compare myself to pornstars since they are biologically just built to do what they do best(not to mention the fact that you can last as long as you want thanks to Viagra, creative editing etc), so I will just compare myself to a more sexually experienced and conditioned male.
Every source of information regarding Penis Enlargement told me to clench my muscle tightly every time I was nearing orgasm, only to exacerbate my feeling of arousal and make me orgasm even quicker...frustrating. Sure, I was feeling a harder erection along with stronger orgasms, but I kept nutting quicker and quicker without a chance to enjoy my various movies that were playing.
It was only one day during my session that I discovered the secret--I won't even call it a "secret," but a the method that I believe all guys use(as part of one big technique) to last longer. I kept stroking during this session and noticed that I did not blow my load at that point as I usually would. The moment that I clenched my BC muscle, the sensation immediately came back and my body was on its way to ejaculation. It was at this very moment that I experienced an epiphany and realized what I had to do. I isolated my BC muscle, but instead of clenching it, I made the bold move of relaxing it and see if it would make a difference. I knew that I had done something different because my pelvic floor muscles felt like they had "sunk" all the way down, in contrast to the constant clenching feeling that I had been used to. I had no idea that I performed a "reverse kegel" and relaxed my pc muscle. I went on for about seven minutes of constant stroking before finally ejaculating...all over my black shirt, bed, and even my carpet, greatly astonished at what had just happened. Those seven minutes were significant to me, as I went 7 times longer as I normally would had without the need for a pause or to even slow my speed down.
Months have passed since then and I have greatly augmented my knowledge on how the male reaches his orgasm + ejaculation, from a to z. I took a completely different look at Penis Enlargement...I don't even like to call it Penis Enlargement as it is not a medical condition for virtually most men; one's sexual [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] can be trained, rather than "cured." I realized that the constant clenching of my muscle placed a lot of tension, causing constant exhaustion that always led to quick ejaculations as a result of a muscle that is always overworked without sufficient recovery. In this time period, I did more kegels than ever, with the emphasis of clenching in as much as I can, but also focus on pushing it out as much as I can as well. And let me be the first to tell you that it took me a while to learn how to push out my BC muscle. And again, this is something we all know how to do, it's just a movement we don't workout in excess. I learned a couple of days later that I did a reverse kegel. The following sessions after that were hit and miss: some days I lasted longer, some days I busted quickly. I read that reverse kegels are the same movement you do do release your stream of urine and let it jettison, in contrast holding your BC and delay your urination. Once again, these are movements that everyman know how to do.
Today, I am still a virgin(still waiting for that special someone, :blush. To be honest, I masturbate for the sake of improving my arousal and control. I am taking it to the next level by learning how to control small nuances, like my breathing. I learned that short, shallow breaths can easily contribute to one prematurely ejaculating. I began practicing longer, deeper breaths and focusing on filling my stomach, hold it for 3-5 seconds and slowly exhale. I believe that this is helping me out tremendously. It makes sense that a man who is breathing shallowly and quickly would cum quicker, as it speeds up the entire process by raising your blood pressure and etc. And when deeply breathe in, I think that I feel my pelvic floor muscles even more relaxed.
I know that my hands are nothing like the real thing, but I feel that I am ready to take it to the next level. I have been reading up the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]STU[/words](Stamina Training Unit) and I wanted some serious input from you guys before I make such a leap. It is a made from the makers of the original [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words], and is one of the many products available. The idea of a toy that can train you for the real thing intrigues me,and I so want to try doggystyle and other positions that quite aren't possible with my hands. So, is anybody here experienced with this or any other [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words]?
Thanks for reading this rather long post!
Luckily, I have been doing kegels for months which helped my Penis Enlargement from the get go. I eased into my stretches naturally as there was no "pullback" or any other involuntarily reflex from grabbing my penis. I have conditioned my pelvic floor muscles, along with the muscles adjacent to it, to remain calm and not constantly stay flexed. When I first began my kegels, it was odd, to say the least. It was even more eccentric thinking of the visual imagery...the idea of me isolating a muscle that is near my anal sphincter. About a month and a half down the road, I am able to clamp my muscle for a much longer time and blast away those kegels with less fatigue, but yet I was still confused as to why I was ejaculating even quicker. I figured I had to be doing something wrong...I hate to compare myself to pornstars since they are biologically just built to do what they do best(not to mention the fact that you can last as long as you want thanks to Viagra, creative editing etc), so I will just compare myself to a more sexually experienced and conditioned male.
Every source of information regarding Penis Enlargement told me to clench my muscle tightly every time I was nearing orgasm, only to exacerbate my feeling of arousal and make me orgasm even quicker...frustrating. Sure, I was feeling a harder erection along with stronger orgasms, but I kept nutting quicker and quicker without a chance to enjoy my various movies that were playing.
It was only one day during my session that I discovered the secret--I won't even call it a "secret," but a the method that I believe all guys use(as part of one big technique) to last longer. I kept stroking during this session and noticed that I did not blow my load at that point as I usually would. The moment that I clenched my BC muscle, the sensation immediately came back and my body was on its way to ejaculation. It was at this very moment that I experienced an epiphany and realized what I had to do. I isolated my BC muscle, but instead of clenching it, I made the bold move of relaxing it and see if it would make a difference. I knew that I had done something different because my pelvic floor muscles felt like they had "sunk" all the way down, in contrast to the constant clenching feeling that I had been used to. I had no idea that I performed a "reverse kegel" and relaxed my pc muscle. I went on for about seven minutes of constant stroking before finally ejaculating...all over my black shirt, bed, and even my carpet, greatly astonished at what had just happened. Those seven minutes were significant to me, as I went 7 times longer as I normally would had without the need for a pause or to even slow my speed down.
Months have passed since then and I have greatly augmented my knowledge on how the male reaches his orgasm + ejaculation, from a to z. I took a completely different look at Penis Enlargement...I don't even like to call it Penis Enlargement as it is not a medical condition for virtually most men; one's sexual [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] can be trained, rather than "cured." I realized that the constant clenching of my muscle placed a lot of tension, causing constant exhaustion that always led to quick ejaculations as a result of a muscle that is always overworked without sufficient recovery. In this time period, I did more kegels than ever, with the emphasis of clenching in as much as I can, but also focus on pushing it out as much as I can as well. And let me be the first to tell you that it took me a while to learn how to push out my BC muscle. And again, this is something we all know how to do, it's just a movement we don't workout in excess. I learned a couple of days later that I did a reverse kegel. The following sessions after that were hit and miss: some days I lasted longer, some days I busted quickly. I read that reverse kegels are the same movement you do do release your stream of urine and let it jettison, in contrast holding your BC and delay your urination. Once again, these are movements that everyman know how to do.
Today, I am still a virgin(still waiting for that special someone, :blush
. To be honest, I masturbate for the sake of improving my arousal and control. I am taking it to the next level by learning how to control small nuances, like my breathing. I learned that short, shallow breaths can easily contribute to one prematurely ejaculating. I began practicing longer, deeper breaths and focusing on filling my stomach, hold it for 3-5 seconds and slowly exhale. I believe that this is helping me out tremendously. It makes sense that a man who is breathing shallowly and quickly would cum quicker, as it speeds up the entire process by raising your blood pressure and etc. And when deeply breathe in, I think that I feel my pelvic floor muscles even more relaxed.I know that my hands are nothing like the real thing, but I feel that I am ready to take it to the next level. I have been reading up the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]STU[/words](Stamina Training Unit) and I wanted some serious input from you guys before I make such a leap. It is a made from the makers of the original [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words], and is one of the many products available. The idea of a toy that can train you for the real thing intrigues me,and I so want to try doggystyle and other positions that quite aren't possible with my hands. So, is anybody here experienced with this or any other [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words]?
Thanks for reading this rather long post!
skarmclops;449341 said:And finally, I have a non-Penis Enlargement related question: kegels! Now, months before I began my Penis Enlargement enlargement I wanted to learn how to increase my sexual [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words], and I read many sources that advised the strengthening of one's pelvic floor muscles. I was hungry to know this knowledge because I did not last too long with my hands...so I knew an abysmal future of ejaculating prematurely would be awaiting me at this rate. Yes, I am a virgin. I knew that if I could not last too long with my hands, then there would be no way in HELL I could last in a good, wet piece of pussy.
Luckily, I have been doing kegels for months which helped my Penis Enlargement from the get go. I eased into my stretches naturally as there was no "pullback" or any other involuntarily reflex from grabbing my penis. I have conditioned my pelvic floor muscles, along with the muscles adjacent to it, to remain calm and not constantly stay flexed. When I first began my kegels, it was odd, to say the least. It was even more eccentric thinking of the visual imagery...the idea of me isolating a muscle that is near my anal sphincter. About a month and a half down the road, I am able to clamp my muscle for a much longer time and blast away those kegels with less fatigue, but yet I was still confused as to why I was ejaculating even quicker. I figured I had to be doing something wrong...I hate to compare myself to pornstars since they are biologically just built to do what they do best(not to mention the fact that you can last as long as you want thanks to Viagra, creative editing etc), so I will just compare myself to a more sexually experienced and conditioned male.
Every source of information regarding Penis Enlargement told me to clench my muscle tightly every time I was nearing orgasm, only to exacerbate my feeling of arousal and make me orgasm even quicker...frustrating. Sure, I was feeling a harder erection along with stronger orgasms, but I kept nutting quicker and quicker without a chance to enjoy my various movies that were playing.
It was only one day during my session that I discovered the secret--I won't even call it a "secret," but a the method that I believe all guys use(as part of one big technique) to last longer. I kept stroking during this session and noticed that I did not blow my load at that point as I usually would. The moment that I clenched my BC muscle, the sensation immediately came back and my body was on its way to ejaculation. It was at this very moment that I experienced an epiphany and realized what I had to do. I isolated my BC muscle, but instead of clenching it, I made the bold move of relaxing it and see if it would make a difference. I knew that I had done something different because my pelvic floor muscles felt like they had "sunk" all the way down, in contrast to the constant clenching feeling that I had been used to. I had no idea that I performed a "reverse kegel" and relaxed my pc muscle. I went on for about seven minutes of constant stroking before finally ejaculating...all over my black shirt, bed, and even my carpet, greatly astonished at what had just happened. Those seven minutes were significant to me, as I went 7 times longer as I normally would had without the need for a pause or to even slow my speed down.
Months have passed since then and I have greatly augmented my knowledge on how the male reaches his orgasm + ejaculation, from a to z. I took a completely different look at Penis Enlargement...I don't even like to call it Penis Enlargement as it is not a medical condition for virtually most men; one's sexual [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] can be trained, rather than "cured." I realized that the constant clenching of my muscle placed a lot of tension, causing constant exhaustion that always led to quick ejaculations as a result of a muscle that is always overworked without sufficient recovery. In this time period, I did more kegels than ever, with the emphasis of clenching in as much as I can, but also focus on pushing it out as much as I can as well. And let me be the first to tell you that it took me a while to learn how to push out my BC muscle. And again, this is something we all know how to do, it's just a movement we don't workout in excess. I learned a couple of days later that I did a reverse kegel. The following sessions after that were hit and miss: some days I lasted longer, some days I busted quickly. I read that reverse kegels are the same movement you do do release your stream of urine and let it jettison, in contrast holding your BC and delay your urination. Once again, these are movements that everyman know how to do.
Today, I am still a virgin(still waiting for that special someone, :blush
I know that my hands are nothing like the real thing, but I feel that I am ready to take it to the next level. I have been reading up the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]STU[/words](Stamina Training Unit) and I wanted some serious input from you guys before I make such a leap. It is a made from the makers of the original [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words], and is one of the many products available. The idea of a toy that can train you for the real thing intrigues me,and I so want to try doggystyle and other positions that quite aren't possible with my hands. So, is anybody here experienced with this or any other [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words]?
Thanks for reading this rather long post!
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REDZULU2003
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If you have a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and want to work in Kegels, your in a good position actually. I have found when pumping and doing kegels it works them more intensely. Let me be more specific. When in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] fully pumped and in the rhytHydromax of the session, not right at the start you wont have enough suction. Grip the tube and pull it towards you (Your belly) this doesn't need to be hard otherwise the suction will go, the base will come loose and its pointless ... so ease it upwards and you start to feel an inner stretch to the penis at first.
Go as far as you can with this stretch and once your at the borderline of loosing this, you start to kegel ... feel the pullback? you should be fully pumped by now and it helps allot if your keeping arousal levels high, so the blood flow is good and not limp but pumped ... a difference exists with a pumped dick un-aroused and a pumped dick aroused take that from me!!
So your pulling the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] towards you and kegel. The pullback is felt. That is the muscle working, now you will notice one must keep a stronger grip on the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] to stop it moving ... so do that otherwise the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] will want to move about. Your essentially isolating the PC muscle via suction from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and then with your strength in the arm and hands, guiding the tube to an angle of attack in order to work the muscles more effectively.
You can squeeze slowly, fast, holds etc etc and you will feel it. Another I tend to do is in this upper stretched position is squeeze the PC muscle and hold, then stretch out the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and its really intense. Sometimes I have had a slight dry orgasm that comes right from the prostate, it feels very different to the ordinary orgasm ... very pleasant indeed and comes from the anus region. When stretching like that a force must be placed around the prostate I assume as the PC muscles get moved or contract, perhaps they spasm? and this has the reaction it does.
In time you will find I promise you a stronger muscle, better orgasms, harder erections and multiple dry orgasms ... the pleasure is beyond words and nothing like your legs shaking as your cant stop orgasmic rays hitting you and your girl is fucking you at the same time ... its pure ecstasy.
Go as far as you can with this stretch and once your at the borderline of loosing this, you start to kegel ... feel the pullback? you should be fully pumped by now and it helps allot if your keeping arousal levels high, so the blood flow is good and not limp but pumped ... a difference exists with a pumped dick un-aroused and a pumped dick aroused take that from me!!
So your pulling the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] towards you and kegel. The pullback is felt. That is the muscle working, now you will notice one must keep a stronger grip on the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] to stop it moving ... so do that otherwise the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] will want to move about. Your essentially isolating the PC muscle via suction from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and then with your strength in the arm and hands, guiding the tube to an angle of attack in order to work the muscles more effectively.
You can squeeze slowly, fast, holds etc etc and you will feel it. Another I tend to do is in this upper stretched position is squeeze the PC muscle and hold, then stretch out the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and its really intense. Sometimes I have had a slight dry orgasm that comes right from the prostate, it feels very different to the ordinary orgasm ... very pleasant indeed and comes from the anus region. When stretching like that a force must be placed around the prostate I assume as the PC muscles get moved or contract, perhaps they spasm? and this has the reaction it does.
In time you will find I promise you a stronger muscle, better orgasms, harder erections and multiple dry orgasms ... the pleasure is beyond words and nothing like your legs shaking as your cant stop orgasmic rays hitting you and your girl is fucking you at the same time ... its pure ecstasy.
I totally agree. Kegals in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] totally challenge my pelvic floor muscles; I had been doing kegels months prior to starting Penis Enlargement, so I already had an advantage in my girth training since I can engorge my peins fairly easily when my arousal levels are right. As soon as I develop super strong pelvic floor muscles, I will command my orgasms...become the master of my domain, haha! I can totally control masturbation now, and it all makes sense. I was taught, like most guys, that ejaculation happens whenever your body wants to, and that ejaculatory control could not be trained.
I am still a virgin, but I do not believe that I will be a two pump chump. Maybe a three pump chump lol. Every time I masturbate, I do it for the sake of control. Wish me luck for when the real deal comes around, guys.
I am still a virgin, but I do not believe that I will be a two pump chump. Maybe a three pump chump lol. Every time I masturbate, I do it for the sake of control. Wish me luck for when the real deal comes around, guys.
REDZULU2003;449929 said:
REDZULU2003
Well-known member
Very good mindset; we should all follow suit!
REDZULU2003
Well-known member
Free software The Kegel-Lite to help you time your kegels - Effectively a stopwatch.
I thought this was Common Knowledge! lol
I honestly don't feel this technique works for me long enough but maybe with practice I can master it along with kegels. My penis is really sensitive So maybe I can get something going.
I honestly don't feel this technique works for me long enough but maybe with practice I can master it along with kegels. My penis is really sensitive So maybe I can get something going.
I have read a lot of information lately regarding this and I see everywhere that yous should be training kegels.
My question is do you need to train reverse kegels aswell or just normal kegels will build up the reverse technique aswell when need to apply it comes?
Or shall someone train first normal kegels and then sets of reverse kegels and should they be done together/different days etc...
My question is do you need to train reverse kegels aswell or just normal kegels will build up the reverse technique aswell when need to apply it comes?
Or shall someone train first normal kegels and then sets of reverse kegels and should they be done together/different days etc...
Hi guys been reading on here how guys can hold their pc muscle while having sex, no i am just new to all this,but when i flex (or should i say try to flex) my pc muscle it pulls in but it naturally fads, i could not hold it tight for more than 2-3 then the natural tendency is to fad and relax...how can guys hold it for so long?
Also the reverse kegel, how in gods name do you do that???? when i do as i would if i were pushing urine out it seems to act more on the pelvic muscle rather than the pc...am i doing it correctly?
Cheers in advance of any and all replies
Also the reverse kegel, how in gods name do you do that???? when i do as i would if i were pushing urine out it seems to act more on the pelvic muscle rather than the pc...am i doing it correctly?
Cheers in advance of any and all replies
Yea, Can anyone tell me. Im a newbie. I want to know how do you do this PC muscle stuff so that you can last longer in bed. What exercises am I to do to help this muscle out. Also, how many reps and when should I increase the reps. Can someone just throughly explain this because I want to be able to got for as long as I want to go in the bedroom. And how long will it take me to build the muscle up so that I can go as long as possible. Also, can you can direct me to a thread about basic exercises for LENGTH and GIRTH? Because I will be dedicated to the exercises its just that a catch an erection easy, from what I thought is that your suppose to strecth on soft and jelq with a slight erection but not a 100% full erection. ANY Help plz
iggb,
There are a lot of explanations describing the Kegel on this site, and all over the web as well. Basically, very short description that is common, is that a Kegel is just what you do to stop the flow of urine while urinating. If you are peeing and you shut off your flow, you have just done a Kegel. It is also what you flex naturally when you ejaculate. Every guy know what that feels like
As to reps, routines, whatever. There as many ideas on that as there are fingerprints. You can do quick flexes, flex and holds, etc, etc. It is just a group of muscles though. ( pubococcygeus muscles ) Loosely, they extend from the pelvic bone to the tail bone, which serve to hold the organs in the area.
But due to their small size and make-up in comparison to large muscle groups such as pectoral muscles for example, they can be worked out with many repetitions (almost endless) and all levels of intensity. If you have ever lifted weights over a period of time, you will know that such small muscles such as the pc, can tolerate very high number of repetitions and heal much faster than larger muscles. You basically can work them out all of the time whenever you want, in any way that you want, simply sleeping at night (and a decent diet) will give them ample time for recovery. Think in terms of the abdominals, you can never work them out too intensely or too frequently, (at least after they are already in shape ) and you will understand what I am talking about.
The only controversial thing I can think of is the common belief in a "reverse Kegel". I am not sure how this actually relates to the pc group. Muscles in the body are made up of fibers that contract, in this case the Kegel is contracting the pc group. Fibrous muscles do not expand or lengthen by force or impulse. It just doesn't happen. The fibers "contract" or "shorten" as they expand due to expansion. When you "stretch" the biceps, or do a "reverse curl", you are just flexing the triceps in reality. So a reverse Kegel would be flexing some other muscles than the pc group, maybe it should be named by that group which is flexing
My personal advice on doing Kegels, which might be bad, is to do them as much as you possibly can whenever you can, wherever you are until you can shoot your sperm through a piece of plywood like a gun
A new approach I have taken to making Kegeling more fun: Flex, flex, flex from a flaccid state until you are as hard as a rock, flex, flex, flex until you can ejaculate without ever touching your penis. Fun and intense. LOL
Tom
There are a lot of explanations describing the Kegel on this site, and all over the web as well. Basically, very short description that is common, is that a Kegel is just what you do to stop the flow of urine while urinating. If you are peeing and you shut off your flow, you have just done a Kegel. It is also what you flex naturally when you ejaculate. Every guy know what that feels like
As to reps, routines, whatever. There as many ideas on that as there are fingerprints. You can do quick flexes, flex and holds, etc, etc. It is just a group of muscles though. ( pubococcygeus muscles ) Loosely, they extend from the pelvic bone to the tail bone, which serve to hold the organs in the area.
But due to their small size and make-up in comparison to large muscle groups such as pectoral muscles for example, they can be worked out with many repetitions (almost endless
) and all levels of intensity. If you have ever lifted weights over a period of time, you will know that such small muscles such as the pc, can tolerate very high number of repetitions and heal much faster than larger muscles. You basically can work them out all of the time whenever you want, in any way that you want, simply sleeping at night (and a decent diet) will give them ample time for recovery. Think in terms of the abdominals, you can never work them out too intensely or too frequently, (at least after they are already in shape ) and you will understand what I am talking about. The only controversial thing I can think of is the common belief in a "reverse Kegel". I am not sure how this actually relates to the pc group. Muscles in the body are made up of fibers that contract, in this case the Kegel is contracting the pc group. Fibrous muscles do not expand or lengthen by force or impulse. It just doesn't happen. The fibers "contract" or "shorten" as they expand due to expansion. When you "stretch" the biceps, or do a "reverse curl"
, you are just flexing the triceps in reality. So a reverse Kegel would be flexing some other muscles than the pc group, maybe it should be named by that group which is flexing My personal advice on doing Kegels, which might be bad
, is to do them as much as you possibly can whenever you can, wherever you are until you can shoot your sperm through a piece of plywood like a gun A new approach I have taken to making Kegeling more fun: Flex, flex, flex from a flaccid state until you are as hard as a rock, flex, flex, flex until you can ejaculate without ever touching your penis. Fun and intense. LOL
Tom
ok do you know how long it will take on average to work this muscle to the point where I can go as long as I want to go in the bedroom? and also when I do get to that point how do I perform the act. Say for instance while having sex do I have sex as i normally would then when I feel that Im about to ejaculate just simply slow down and hold s kegel? How long do i hold the kegel? until the ejaculating sensation has died out? then if I start up right after that has died out, will I be able to go for a a significant amount of time again before the sensation to ejaculate comes back or will the sensation come back quick?
irspow;470751 said:iggb,
There are a lot of explanations describing the Kegel on this site, and all over the web as well. Basically, very short description that is common, is that a Kegel is just what you do to stop the flow of urine while urinating. If you are peeing and you shut off your flow, you have just done a Kegel. It is also what you flex naturally when you ejaculate. Every guy know what that feels like
As to reps, routines, whatever. There as many ideas on that as there are fingerprints. You can do quick flexes, flex and holds, etc, etc. It is just a group of muscles though. ( pubococcygeus muscles ) Loosely, they extend from the pelvic bone to the tail bone, which serve to hold the organs in the area.
But due to their small size and make-up in comparison to large muscle groups such as pectoral muscles for example, they can be worked out with many repetitions (almost endless
The only controversial thing I can think of is the common belief in a "reverse Kegel". I am not sure how this actually relates to the pc group. Muscles in the body are made up of fibers that contract, in this case the Kegel is contracting the pc group. Fibrous muscles do not expand or lengthen by force or impulse. It just doesn't happen. The fibers "contract" or "shorten" as they expand due to expansion. When you "stretch" the biceps, or do a "reverse curl"
My personal advice on doing Kegels, which might be bad
A new approach I have taken to making Kegeling more fun: Flex, flex, flex from a flaccid state until you are as hard as a rock, flex, flex, flex until you can ejaculate without ever touching your penis. Fun and intense. LOL
Tom
Okay, from what I have found from what some doctors have put up on line, Kegels will flex, or contract, the entire pelvic floor and not the PC specifically. In other words, Kegels will contract the PC, BC, and IC muscles together. The impulse to contract any of the muscle groups in the pelvic floor all emanate from the same place. It is biologically impossible to work just the PC, BC, or IC muscles independently. People may "feel" like they are with different techniques, but in essence, all muscle groups in the pelvic floor are controlled by the same source of impulse.
Kegels do not work the PC muscles in isolation. Kegels engage and contract all three muscle groups simultaneously. What is "feel" is not what is "real" in this case. Sure, there can be varying levels of intensity you "feel" from group to group depending on your focus, position, and state, but it is an illusion. Furthermore, for those interested in "strengthening" the BC and IC muscles in particular, from what I have read from doctors, is that this can only be accomplished by isometric exercise. Meaning you would have to contract the entire pelvic floor and hold this contraction. So Kegel "squeeze and holds" are the only real way to strengthen the BC and IC muscles. (Note: I am talking about strength and not length.) And some of the doctors mentioned doing intense Kegels, or contraction of the entire pelivic floor, and holding the contraction under a load to actually strengthen the IC and BC groups. Such as with towel lifts with an erection (?), where you would lift and hold, not lift, lower, and repeat. They say that only isometric exercise will strengthen the IC and BC muscles. Flexing would be strengthening the PC muscle more in relation to the IC and BC.
And if the PC becomes particularly stronger than the IC and BC, it will essentially be limiting potential growth of the penis externally. We want the PC to lengthen more than strengthen to maximize gains in size. The reason for the PC's ability to strengthen proportionally more than the IC or BC even though all work in conjunction with each other is related to their relative size and density. The PC is significantly larger and stronger than the IC and BC combined. Anyone who has worked out knows that large muscles grow stronger and faster than smaller muscles given a certain level of intensity. (although they take more time to recover)
Also, there are no muscle groups within the pelvic floor to elongate or stretch the PC, BC, or IC muscles. The only way to truly stretch any of these muscles is either through external stretching of the penis, by jelqing which is just stretching by blood engorgement or other manual stretching techniques, or... By causing a force downward upon everything within the pelvic region with the abdominal region. Pretty much squeezing your torso and intestines with your abdominal muscles causing a "downward force" upon the entire pelvic floor. Like squeezing a tube of toothpaste. The same thing that you do normally while trying to force urine out of your penis forcefully, or pushing out a giant turd. LOL
More ranting by a lunatic,
Tom
I am not stating any of this as fact as I see it, but rather what I have read from what doctors say. (although I understand that doctors can be wrong, especially with Penis Enlargement in general) So maybe, we should just not say PC exercise and Kegel interchangeably. Maybe just Pelvic Floor exercises.
Kegels do not work the PC muscles in isolation. Kegels engage and contract all three muscle groups simultaneously. What is "feel" is not what is "real" in this case. Sure, there can be varying levels of intensity you "feel" from group to group depending on your focus, position, and state, but it is an illusion. Furthermore, for those interested in "strengthening" the BC and IC muscles in particular, from what I have read from doctors, is that this can only be accomplished by isometric exercise. Meaning you would have to contract the entire pelvic floor and hold this contraction. So Kegel "squeeze and holds" are the only real way to strengthen the BC and IC muscles. (Note: I am talking about strength and not length.) And some of the doctors mentioned doing intense Kegels, or contraction of the entire pelivic floor, and holding the contraction under a load to actually strengthen the IC and BC groups. Such as with towel lifts with an erection (?), where you would lift and hold, not lift, lower, and repeat. They say that only isometric exercise will strengthen the IC and BC muscles. Flexing would be strengthening the PC muscle more in relation to the IC and BC.
And if the PC becomes particularly stronger than the IC and BC, it will essentially be limiting potential growth of the penis externally. We want the PC to lengthen more than strengthen to maximize gains in size. The reason for the PC's ability to strengthen proportionally more than the IC or BC even though all work in conjunction with each other is related to their relative size and density. The PC is significantly larger and stronger than the IC and BC combined. Anyone who has worked out knows that large muscles grow stronger and faster than smaller muscles given a certain level of intensity. (although they take more time to recover
) Also, there are no muscle groups within the pelvic floor to elongate or stretch the PC, BC, or IC muscles. The only way to truly stretch any of these muscles is either through external stretching of the penis, by jelqing which is just stretching by blood engorgement or other manual stretching techniques, or... By causing a force downward upon everything within the pelvic region with the abdominal region. Pretty much squeezing your torso and intestines with your abdominal muscles causing a "downward force" upon the entire pelvic floor. Like squeezing a tube of toothpaste. The same thing that you do normally while trying to force urine out of your penis forcefully, or pushing out a giant turd. LOL
More ranting by a lunatic,
Tom
I am not stating any of this as fact as I see it, but rather what I have read from what doctors say. (although I understand that doctors can be wrong, especially with Penis Enlargement in general
) So maybe, we should just not say PC exercise and Kegel interchangeably. Maybe just Pelvic Floor exercises. iggb,
The reality is that ejaculation is largely controlled by the brain causing the repeated flexing of the muscles within your pelvic region. Like when you Kegel quickly. The idea is to be able to HOLD a kegel to stop, or at least prevent ejaculation. If you can kegel and hold that, thereby stopping it from flexing, when approaching orgasm, you theoretically can stop the ejaculation. But, this only really works if you can either keep yourself from flexing for as long as you want to continue having sex after feeling the urge, a constant hold. Or if you can at least do a hold until the "urge" to ejaculate passes. No easy thing until you have a very strong muscle group down there. It can be done, but will require a lot of practice.
If you are particularly focused upon "lasting longer": By all means continue to work on your Kegels to improve strength and duration of contraction, but remember as far as "staying" power, it is about the ability to either hold a contraction either "forever" or until the urge to ejaculate passes. In addition, edging is wonderful, when it comes to lasting longer too. The longer you can train yourself to tolerate stimulation without the "urge" to ejaculate the better. Ideally, you want to get to the point where you choose when you want to ejaculate rather than letting the amount of stimulation that you receive dictate it to you. So try edging as well. If you practice, which is fun, you should be able to play with yourself for a looooong time without ejaculating. You will eventually get to the point when you simply choose when you want to cum instead of being like an animal that has no control. LOL
In the end, it really is more in your head than anything else. But who am I to say that...
I just want to point out that you can do quick kegels for a million years, but if you cannot hold it without flexing or releasing the hold, it will not help your staying power in any way whatsoever. But you may need to do a lot of intense quick Kegels before you learn how to hold one for any significant amount of time depending on how weak your pelvic muscles currently are at this point. Personally, I think that short-term, edging will do more for your staying power, than kegeling will do until your pelvic muscles are quite strong. Edging isn't hard and you can learn about your particular "no point of return". If you were very aware of your no point of return, you simply would have to back off before you reached it...does that make sense?
Tom
The reality is that ejaculation is largely controlled by the brain causing the repeated flexing of the muscles within your pelvic region. Like when you Kegel quickly. The idea is to be able to HOLD a kegel to stop, or at least prevent ejaculation. If you can kegel and hold that, thereby stopping it from flexing, when approaching orgasm, you theoretically can stop the ejaculation. But, this only really works if you can either keep yourself from flexing for as long as you want to continue having sex after feeling the urge, a constant hold. Or if you can at least do a hold until the "urge" to ejaculate passes. No easy thing until you have a very strong muscle group down there.
It can be done, but will require a lot of practice. If you are particularly focused upon "lasting longer": By all means continue to work on your Kegels to improve strength and duration of contraction, but remember as far as "staying" power, it is about the ability to either hold a contraction either "forever" or until the urge to ejaculate passes. In addition, edging is wonderful, when it comes to lasting longer too. The longer you can train yourself to tolerate stimulation without the "urge" to ejaculate the better. Ideally, you want to get to the point where you choose when you want to ejaculate rather than letting the amount of stimulation that you receive dictate it to you. So try edging as well. If you practice, which is fun
, you should be able to play with yourself for a looooong time without ejaculating. You will eventually get to the point when you simply choose when you want to cum instead of being like an animal that has no control. LOL In the end, it really is more in your head than anything else. But who am I to say that...
I just want to point out that you can do quick kegels for a million years, but if you cannot hold it without flexing or releasing the hold, it will not help your staying power in any way whatsoever. But you may need to do a lot of intense quick Kegels before you learn how to hold one for any significant amount of time depending on how weak your pelvic muscles currently are at this point. Personally, I think that short-term, edging will do more for your staying power, than kegeling will do until your pelvic muscles are quite strong. Edging isn't hard and you can learn about your particular "no point of return". If you were very aware of your no point of return, you simply would have to back off before you reached it...does that make sense?
Tom
REDZULU2003
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Thats why I always refer to them as pelvic floor exercises. When you reverse kegel, try it as your enjoying head or wanking\jerking off and execute the RK ... the sensation numbs away and you can ease off that psychological sensation for a moment and hence last longer.
Hey Red,
I am not finding any medical evidence of this "reverse kegel". When you say reverse kegel, are you talking about lengthening the pelvic floor muscles? What I am getting at is there are no muscles which contract in the opposite direction of the PC, BC, or IC down there. (all fibrous muscles only contract, they cannot extend by effort...ie, a "reverse" of a biceps flex, say a "reverse curl", would really be a contraction of the triceps, or in other words to "stretch" the biceps one has to contract the triceps) There is no analogous "triceps" in the pelvic floor area. So could this "reverse kegel" really just be a "downward" force by abdominal muscles, or contraction of the abdominals, to "stretch" the pelvic floor muscles???
I am trying to wrap my head around what internally really is a "reverse kegel". Am I on the right track with the thinking above in your experienced opinion?
Thanks,
Tom
P.S. Would I be off base to experiment with trying to "forcefully pee or crap to stave off ejaculation"?
I am not finding any medical evidence of this "reverse kegel". When you say reverse kegel, are you talking about lengthening the pelvic floor muscles? What I am getting at is there are no muscles which contract in the opposite direction of the PC, BC, or IC down there. (all fibrous muscles only contract, they cannot extend by effort...ie, a "reverse" of a biceps flex, say a "reverse curl", would really be a contraction of the triceps, or in other words to "stretch" the biceps one has to contract the triceps) There is no analogous "triceps" in the pelvic floor area. So could this "reverse kegel" really just be a "downward" force by abdominal muscles, or contraction of the abdominals, to "stretch" the pelvic floor muscles???
I am trying to wrap my head around what internally really is a "reverse kegel". Am I on the right track with the thinking above in your experienced opinion?
Thanks,
Tom
P.S. Would I be off base to experiment with trying to "forcefully pee or crap to stave off ejaculation"?
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Sorry to be a pest here. I am really curious as to what the very experienced here would say to the above post. I really want to wrap my head around this "reverse Kegel" concept and cannot really grasp it from the descriptions I have found and what I know about the muscles contained within the pelvic floor. Any help or clarifications from the experienced guys out there would be greatly appreciated.
Tom
Tom
REDZULU2003
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Must be the same area of muscles when you shit when a reverse kegel is done. All I know is it works wonders at holding off ejaculation but dont know how it seems to work.
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