MoS All Day Stretcher / All Night Stretcher! Feedback & Beta-Testers Needed!

Zambrodom3 · Nov 10, 2014

doublelongdaddy;619420 said:
Yup, that is the reason this was never made secret, we wanted everyones participation to be sure what we put out is the best. It would be sinful not to use the extensive knowledge we have here.

And this is what I really love about MOS! The Brotherhood, the communication, the bonds you can make with people around. Asking us was the best thing to do, I agree.

P.S- if it uses vacuum suction instead of constriction would be optimal I think.

DLD · Nov 11, 2014

Zambrodom3;619440 said:
P.S- if it uses vacuum suction instead of constriction would be optimal I think.

That is the direction we are going in.

Zambrodom3 · Nov 11, 2014

doublelongdaddy;619659 said:
That is the direction we are going in.

Perfect! Really can't wait!!!! Take your time though, this is all that matters. If waiting years for its realease is gonna make it the device we want it to be- it is gonna be worth waiting every single second!!!!

DLD · Nov 17, 2014

Zambrodom3;619698 said:
Perfect! Really can't wait!!!! Take your time though, this is all that matters. If waiting years for its realease is gonna make it the device we want it to be- it is gonna be worth waiting every single second!!!!

It will definitely not take years, we are pretty firm on things now, LIGHTNING is only looking for better parts on certain things. I hopep to see this happen within months.

Zambrodom3 · Nov 17, 2014

doublelongdaddy;620497 said:
It will definitely not take years, we are pretty firm on things now, LIGHTNING is only looking for better parts on certain things. I hopep to see this happen within months.

Great! I hope it does not turn out like the LM (where it was expected to be released soon, but everyone had to wait a lot)... Take your time, worry not! Have you tried it?

youknowme123321 · Nov 17, 2014

Zambrodom3;620555 said:
Great! I hope it does not turn out like the LM (where it was expected to be released soon, but everyone had to wait a lot)... Take your time, worry not! Have you tried it?

i wonder if it will have the capability to fit DLD???

youknowme123321 · Nov 17, 2014

doublelongdaddy;620497 said:
It will definitely not take years, we are pretty firm on things now, LIGHTNING is only looking for better parts on certain things. I hopep to see this happen within months.

can't flipping wait DLD!!!

grow4me · Nov 17, 2014

X2!!!!

dmoney101 · Nov 17, 2014

Woo hoo! So ready to see it

smerc · Nov 18, 2014

doublelongdaddy;620497 said:
It will definitely not take years, we are pretty firm on things now, LIGHTNING is only looking for better parts on certain things. I hopep to see this happen within months.

Fucking awesome. Any little snippets on what we can expect? Like the design/function. Nothing too targeted though as I don't want you all giving the idea away and someone beating you all to the punch.

stillwantmore · Nov 18, 2014

From my own experience, I can tell Lightning/DLD care about MOS enough to fund something like this. A project like this can be a pretty big investment depending on things like outsourcing for parts or stateside parts manufacture. I'll give you guys an example of what I went through with hanger. There was a bit more involved that what I'm listing below details wise, but this is a good idea.

1) Taking a rough idea and hiring a design engineer to revamp the design and iron out bugs, make it unique. Then, having the design engineer take everything and turn it into design files for a CAD machine, and design files that a molding company can actually use:
Around $1,200 for several months of back and forth work. This guy was a one in a million. He worked a LOT cheaper than most design engineers would.

2) Digging around, calling around and getting referred to a molding company that can actually DO what you need? Hours, weeks, at least a few months. The first two molding companies in America quoted me between $15,000-$30,000 for making molds, prototypes and a first run of parts.

4) A few different sets of prototype parts at $250 each, going back to the design engineer to re-tweak design issues, finally getting it all right and then a final set of prototype parts for my final approval. Total cost around $1,000

3) Finally finding a molding company overseas who would work with me on a "medical device". Anything that touches the human skin is usually considered a "medical device" and many companies shy away from projects like this because they require special paperwork and clearance and sometimes certifications. Around $3,600 for the metal molds, $2,700 for a minimum order quantity of 2,000 units.

So, it's a lot more involved process than many people usually realize. This is a pretty condensed run down, and this is just for some molded plastic parts. No metal parts, no mechanical units, nothing really complicated.

youknowme123321 · Nov 18, 2014

stillwantmore2;620625 said:
From my own experience, I can tell Lightning/DLD care about MOS enough to fund something like this. A project like this can be a pretty big investment depending on things like outsourcing for parts or stateside parts manufacture. I'll give you guys an example of what I went through with hanger. There was a bit more involved that what I'm listing below details wise, but this is a good idea.

1) Taking a rough idea and hiring a design engineer to revamp the design and iron out bugs, make it unique. Then, having the design engineer take everything and turn it into design files for a CAD machine, and design files that a molding company can actually use:
Around $1,200 for several months of back and forth work. This guy was a one in a million. He worked a LOT cheaper than most design engineers would.

2) Digging around, calling around and getting referred to a molding company that can actually DO what you need? Hours, weeks, at least a few months. The first two molding companies in America quoted me between $15,000-$30,000 for making molds, prototypes and a first run of parts.

4) A few different sets of prototype parts at $250 each, going back to the design engineer to re-tweak design issues, finally getting it all right and then a final set of prototype parts for my final approval. Total cost around $1,000

3) Finally finding a molding company overseas who would work with me on a "medical device". Anything that touches the human skin is usually considered a "medical device" and many companies shy away from projects like this because they require special paperwork and clearance and sometimes certifications. Around $3,600 for the metal molds, $2,700 for a minimum order quantity of 2,000 units.

So, it's a lot more involved process than many people usually realize. This is a pretty condensed run down, and this is just for some molded plastic parts. No metal parts, no mechanical units, nothing really complicated.

wow!

smerc · Nov 18, 2014

CAD software+3d printing machine FTW.

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Nice writeup SWM.

DLD · Nov 18, 2014

stillwantmore2;620625 said:
From my own experience, I can tell Lightning/DLD care about MOS enough to fund something like this. A project like this can be a pretty big investment depending on things like outsourcing for parts or stateside parts manufacture. I'll give you guys an example of what I went through with hanger. There was a bit more involved that what I'm listing below details wise, but this is a good idea.

1) Taking a rough idea and hiring a design engineer to revamp the design and iron out bugs, make it unique. Then, having the design engineer take everything and turn it into design files for a CAD machine, and design files that a molding company can actually use:
Around $1,200 for several months of back and forth work. This guy was a one in a million. He worked a LOT cheaper than most design engineers would.

2) Digging around, calling around and getting referred to a molding company that can actually DO what you need? Hours, weeks, at least a few months. The first two molding companies in America quoted me between $15,000-$30,000 for making molds, prototypes and a first run of parts.

4) A few different sets of prototype parts at $250 each, going back to the design engineer to re-tweak design issues, finally getting it all right and then a final set of prototype parts for my final approval. Total cost around $1,000

3) Finally finding a molding company overseas who would work with me on a "medical device". Anything that touches the human skin is usually considered a "medical device" and many companies shy away from projects like this because they require special paperwork and clearance and sometimes certifications. Around $3,600 for the metal molds, $2,700 for a minimum order quantity of 2,000 units.

So, it's a lot more involved process than many people usually realize. This is a pretty condensed run down, and this is just for some molded plastic parts. No metal parts, no mechanical units, nothing really complicated.

This is exactly the process we have been following and as Still says you can see it is very expensive. You can't cut corners on anything because it will be reflected in the product and it's function. Most companies that have tried to accomplish this usually go for parts off the shelf usually found in China that may look the part but are usually crap. We are making every part from scratch and this is where it gets more pricey. I insisted on this as has LIGHTNING. You can kind of look at this like a car is made. You may be able to purchase the car for $20,000 but getting that car to market costs millions of dollars.

partytime5423 · Dec 10, 2014

gayron36;603505 said:
Price is definitely another consideration. The higher you go over $100, the more potential business you lose.

Won't lose my money. This so cool. How far along is the design?

partytime5423 · Dec 10, 2014

Release date?

mano22 · Dec 11, 2014

Im good to test an all night stretcher

stillwantmore · Dec 11, 2014

smerc;620661 said:
CAD software+3d printing machine FTW.

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Nice writeup SWM.

Yea. We can dream right? Most people don't realize you need to KNOW CAD programming so you can write the design software, or have to ability to import the design files. Also, and this is a BIG part, 3D printing is fun and exciting in concept. However, it's nowhere near practical and it's extremely inefficient for anywhere near a serious level of mass production of parts at the current time. That's still several years away. Currently, an at home printer is around $2,000-$6,000 depending on things like options and whether it's already assembled when it arrives. Also, to print ONE item may take have the day.

partytime5423 · Dec 11, 2014

stillwantmore2;625049 said:
Yea. We can dream right? Most people don't realize you need to KNOW CAD programming so you can write the design software, or have to ability to import the design files. Also, and this is a BIG part, 3D printing is fun and exciting in concept. However, it's nowhere near practical and it's extremely inefficient for anywhere near a serious level of mass production of parts at the current time. That's still several years away. Currently, an at home printer is around $2,000-$6,000 depending on things like options and whether it's already assembled when it arrives. Also, to print ONE item may take have the day.

very true about the slow printing time but you can get very good top of the line home 3D printers for hundreds of dollars now

DLD · Dec 11, 2014

partytime5423;625062 said:
very true about the slow printing time but you can get very good top of the line home 3D printers for hundreds of dollars now

Yeah, I have seen them in the $800 range...we have been looking for one for this project.

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