Circulation at heavier weights

millionman · Jul 17, 2005

I understand the effects of the new angle on soft tissue. the problem that I seem to have is if I take a day or so off from Penis Enlargement on the whole I get severe bruising, and along with the bruising there is skin breakage (little tiny cuts in the skin) and these take a bit of time to heal and usually itch once they do start to heal, but that's typical of scabbing.

Right now I'm trying to heal from the t-vein I have, and I'm going to rest until it's better. Right now it's been about three days and I'm taking advil for inflammation control and I hope tomorrow that I'll be able to so some hot and cold water treatments to speed recovery. I will resume hanging at some point in the near future, but I'm going to purchase a set of peweights to help with my hanging efforts, especially since I may not be able to hang for more than 40 minutes at a time because of work and school, and they should help keep the tissue stressed mildly throughout the day. I've heard good things about them so hopefully I can put them to use.

BIB, I've asked this before but I'm still wondering about this particular subject. What would you think of doing a jelqing session every two to three days to improve circulation into the new tissue created through hanging? It seems that with the increase in circulation you could increase the length of the penis a bit ore rapidly as the increase in blood would increase overall expansion capabilities and would expand the newly grown tissue more rapidly. I'm not talking heavy girth training at all, but circulation training every two to three days. What do you think of this in principle?

Bib · Jul 27, 2005

million,

>What would you think of doing a jelqing session every two to three days to improve circulation into the new tissue created through hanging? It seems that with the increase in circulation you could increase the length of the penis a bit ore rapidly as the increase in blood would increase overall expansion capabilities and would expand the newly grown tissue more rapidly. I'm not talking heavy girth training at all, but circulation training every two to three days. What do you think of this in principle?<

I have said this many times. I always did BTB jelqing while wrapped, between sets. Then I tried to do light jelqing after my sessions, to return full circulation. Anything more than that would be overkill, and you might make the skin too sensitive for your next hanging session, IMO.

Bigger

millionman · Aug 4, 2005

Bib, as always your answers are spot on. Now I'm probably going to start hanging again. Very likely to start back in the next week or so. I've been working girth the last few weeks to make sure my unit was prepped and my t-vein issue was gone. According to my logic if you stress the veins with greater pressure you should get a reaction, and since I haven't gotten a reaction in the form of thrombosis it's back into the game.

OK, bib what I'm looking at is attempting to find a setup for SO. Would using the back of a kitchen table chair (by tying a rope to the s-hook and the vertical bars on the back support of the chair) be sufficient for the SO setup? I've set it up before and it pulls the tunica forward, as the rope is tied to the s-hook and the bottom of the chair maintains the SO angle.

I've started working again, so I'll be a bit strapped for time and not to mention classes starting again or I should say they never ended for me but the FALL is a full load. What I am looking for is to hang enough to deform the tissues and then load up with some sort of ADS, most likely Penis Enlargement weights as I've heard nothing but good things about them and the ease of use, to maintain tension throughout the day. This would serve as my "lighter" hanging sets since I'll be strapped for time. Since I know you don't have practical experience with the Penis Enlargement weights, the question is in your opinion would it seem to be beneficial and result yielding similarly to hanging SD with light weights? NOTE: Using Penis Enlargement weights is typically two-three round donut shaped weights with three weights coming in at a bit more than 2 lbs.

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Bib · Aug 6, 2005

million,

>OK, bib what I'm looking at is attempting to find a setup for SO. Would using the back of a kitchen table chair (by tying a rope to the s-hook and the vertical bars on the back support of the chair) be sufficient for the SO setup? I've set it up before and it pulls the tunica forward, as the rope is tied to the s-hook and the bottom of the chair maintains the SO angle.<

I have heard of guys using that successfully. You have to put your feet in the other chair to keep it from pulling in on you.

If you have a chair with a long seat, you may be able to hang over the edge of the front edge of the seat. Adjust your weight to allow for friction as the hanger skids ride on the front edge. Or you can do what I did, add an extension on to the front of your seat.

>I've started working again, so I'll be a bit strapped for time and not to mention classes starting again or I should say they never ended for me but the FALL is a full load. What I am looking for is to hang enough to deform the tissues and then load up with some sort of ADS, most likely Penis Enlargement weights as I've heard nothing but good things about them and the ease of use, to maintain tension throughout the day. This would serve as my "lighter" hanging sets since I'll be strapped for time. Since I know you don't have practical experience with the Penis Enlargement weights, the question is in your opinion would it seem to be beneficial and result yielding similarly to hanging SD with light weights? NOTE: Using Penis Enlargement weights is typically two-three round donut shaped weights with three weights coming in at a bit more than 2 lbs.<

It may be great. All you can do is the best you can do.

Bigger

millionman · Dec 23, 2005

Hey BIB, I'm thinking of buying a full sized BIB. Can you tell me what the differences and adjustments that would be required going from a starter to a full? I think the increased surface area being stretched would help with gains, as I have stalled as of recently.

sweets · Dec 26, 2005

hey bib>
is this whole lateral longital thing come down to a comfort thing
such as if you work on girth and then try to hang, where an issue of comfort is at stake or is their any real thing were a build up of the tunica will make it harder to gain lengths and one should concentrate on one or the other.
b/c i currently do stretches in the morning, wear an ads, and then at night do my girht work
come time for hanging/ stretching the next morning I feel fine.
can this hinder any potental gains to come in the future.
I am actually seeing gains as of last month that I haven't seen ever!
Should I continue what I am doing, please don't say bumb b/c this tread is forever long and I hope I was reading right?:cool:

Bib · Jan 3, 2006

million,

>Hey BIB, I'm thinking of buying a full sized BIB. Can you tell me what the differences and adjustments that would be required going from a starter to a full? I think the increased surface area being stretched would help with gains, as I have stalled as of recently<

The regular is about one inch longer than the Starter, and about 1/4 inch taller in the shaft well. For me, the two give completely different feelings at the attachment point. The regular has the same adjustment capabilities as the Starter. So, you will need to experiment to find the best configuration for yourself.

sweets,

>is this whole lateral longital thing come down to a comfort thing
such as if you work on girth and then try to hang, where an issue of comfort is at stake or is their any real thing were a build up of the tunica will make it harder to gain lengths and one should concentrate on one or the other.
b/c i currently do stretches in the morning, wear an ads, and then at night do my girht work<

Well both actually. For me, while I was beginning my girth work, and also maintanence hanging after reaching my length goals, I had to be very careful with the timing of the two. The girth work really made the hanger attachment point sore, sometimes even if I was careful. Your results may vary.

As far as tunica strength goes, it is fairly straightforward. Of course, I do not have any clinical data to back up my theory. However, there are two sets of tunica collagenous tissue, the lateral fibers, which restrict girth, and the longitudinal fibers which restrict length.

As I understand it, these fiber layers are laid one on top of the other. As with any other collagenous tissues, ligaments, tendons, etc, when they are torn, the fibers do not always align properly when healing and become crossed. If you are damaging both layers of tunica fibers at the same time, the chances are that in healing, the fibers will cross, and the result will be a stronger matrix in both directions.

>come time for hanging/ stretching the next morning I feel fine.
can this hinder any potental gains to come in the future.<

I believe so.

Good luck,

Bigger

sweets · Jan 3, 2006

Hey Bib,
why would this hinder any future results??
also,
Isn't it just the opposite that we do not (atleast immediatly) want
the fibers matrixing and becoming bonded again for another work out is coming and it would be that much harder to break a bond again.
Not like it should matter for a daily routine just stretches and breaks these bonds daily anyway and that is the piont right?
Also, I just started pulling SO this last month and have gained almost a half on length, didn't somebody say like that's all they did and gained like 4" over
a couple years, my lot is like a six or some shit and hanging for a year and a half didn't do piss, untill like a month ago, started switching angles up, and out, and now it seems, my length is starting to go somewhere. How long could this possible go on for? I hope I could get(no fuck that, I will ), but really really hope I could gain 4'' like our guru's!

Whadya think?

millionman · Jan 4, 2006

Sweets, if you look into the anatomy of the penis the layers are matrixed together. If you are going to hang and damage the longitudinal fibers and then proceed to damage the lateral fibers as well the matrix may become strengthened while healing as the layers will overlap and bond in an odd way making the matrix stronger. This would make your Penis Enlargement career very difficult, if you are looing to be done inside of two-three years depending on your goals. Working both areas seems to slow progress once past the newbie stage. I've experienced this first hand, and once I made the switch to all length or all girth I've gained steadily and now I understand the reasons for these gains. As BIB always points out you have to work on your limiting factors, get past one there's another one to get through as well. It can be noted that it's also thought to be true that once you've gained length then girth is not as difficult because the fibers are more "thin" than they were. This is because of the matrix not being set in the same way it was before and is now in a weaker position as far as the lateral fibers are "exposed" in a sense to the direct stress placed on these fibers.

Pandora · Jan 4, 2006

Bib said:
million,

>Hey BIB, I'm thinking of buying a full sized BIB. Can you tell me what the differences and adjustments that would be required going from a starter to a full? I think the increased surface area being stretched would help with gains, as I have stalled as of recently<

The regular is about one inch longer than the Starter, and about 1/4 inch taller in the shaft well. For me, the two give completely different feelings at the attachment point. The regular has the same adjustment capabilities as the Starter. So, you will need to experiment to find the best configuration for yourself.

sweets,

>is this whole lateral longital thing come down to a comfort thing
such as if you work on girth and then try to hang, where an issue of comfort is at stake or is their any real thing were a build up of the tunica will make it harder to gain lengths and one should concentrate on one or the other.
b/c i currently do stretches in the morning, wear an ads, and then at night do my girht work<

Well both actually. For me, while I was beginning my girth work, and also maintanence hanging after reaching my length goals, I had to be very careful with the timing of the two. The girth work really made the hanger attachment point sore, sometimes even if I was careful. Your results may vary.

As far as tunica strength goes, it is fairly straightforward. Of course, I do not have any clinical data to back up my theory. However, there are two sets of tunica collagenous tissue, the lateral fibers, which restrict girth, and the longitudinal fibers which restrict length.

As I understand it, these fiber layers are laid one on top of the other. As with any other collagenous tissues, ligaments, tendons, etc, when they are torn, the fibers do not always align properly when healing and become crossed. If you are damaging both layers of tunica fibers at the same time, the chances are that in healing, the fibers will cross, and the result will be a stronger matrix in both directions.

>come time for hanging/ stretching the next morning I feel fine.
can this hinder any potental gains to come in the future.<

I believe so.

Good luck,

Bigger

Bigger,

Is high pressure wet jelqing ok after streching because i thought wet jelqing was for length.

thanks,

Pandora

sweets · Jan 4, 2006

No doubt, I still have heard that people will say fuck it and do both once in morning and the other in evening.(length, morning, girth evening)and if so what, stretch twice a day?
What do you think about SO and how somebody(?) just did that and gained 4" over a couple of years?

sweets · Jan 7, 2006

Ok, thanks bib and good looks millionman for the quick reply's.
umm.... so if I just wanted to concentrate on length, Since I was doing a split routine of length in morning and girth at night, would you suggest I did two length routines substituting the evening for a second length routine.
Also, this have been an other issue. I use an ads which great so from my morning stretch to my night is a bunch of hours,
the only thing is that I use my ads while I sleep but it becomes to much when I was stretching twice a day and then continue the ads process in sleep mode for my ligs where just aching to much from what would end up over a 10 hours of hanging period(BIB, you said that you hung from the morning till like the afternoon, did you mean literally or did you use an ads which is where you say you hung for that period of time) SO, my question, is should I for go the extra hours of stretching during sleep using my ads or should I do a stretch routine 2x's and forgo the ads at night.

Bib · Jan 12, 2006

sweets,

Great stuff from million. Bright fellow.

>so if I just wanted to concentrate on length, Since I was doing a split routine of length in morning and girth at night, would you suggest I did two length routines substituting the evening for a second length routine.<

Yes, no doubt. I always thought my couple of night sets really helped me a lot. Other guys have reported great results with split sessions. It really keeps the tissues in the extended state.

>Also, this have been an other issue. I use an ads which great so from my morning stretch to my night is a bunch of hours,
the only thing is that I use my ads while I sleep but it becomes to much when I was stretching twice a day and then continue the ads process in sleep mode for my ligs where just aching to much from what would end up over a 10 hours of hanging period<

I do not recommend any Penis Enlargement while sleeping. It is just a recipe for disaster.

>(BIB, you said that you hung from the morning till like the afternoon, did you mean literally or did you use an ads which is where you say you hung for that period of time)<

That was hanging in approximate 20 minute sets, with approximate 10 minute breaks.

>SO, my question, is should I for go the extra hours of stretching during sleep using my ads or should I do a stretch routine 2x's and forgo the ads at night.<

If it were me, I would hang rather than stretch, and do nothing while sleeping whatsoever.

Pandora,

>Is high pressure wet jelqing ok after streching because i thought wet jelqing was for length.<

I recommend light jelqing after a hanging session to restore full circulation. Not enough pressure, or enough time to deform the lateral bonds of the tunica though.

I did not know wet jelqing was for length.

Bigger

goldmember · Jan 23, 2006

Bib said:
I did not know wet jelqing was for length.

This is a commonly debated topic. Who knows the answer?

This is a very informative thread, and thanks to Cy for stickying it. BIB and Millionman have taught me a lot.

I need to begin hanging from square one. It is very discouraging to know that the last three months were wasted, because I think I was not grasping the internal structures sufficiently, and I was trying to increase the weight too fast, now I am not able to hang for consecutive sets, because in order for me to tighten sufficiently to prevent slippage, it hurts. I need to work on hanger adjustments and wrapping.

BIB, you say that the wrap should be loose enough to piss through, maybe even have to force it through, but piss through nonetheless. When I wrap, I think it is too LOOSE. I cannot for the life of me make it any tighter. When I attempt to piss with it, it does not constrain urine flow whatsoever. GentleMisterJustin posted a thread on how he constructed a noose to apply to his glans and stretch his penis while wrapping in order to free up both of his hands and also wrap while the penis is in it's thinner, stretched state. This may help, and I will try it. How do you other guys get the wrap tight enough? Also, how many passes is best? I have tried 2-4, with similar bad luck. The hanger slips usually, the head gets huge, and after the set, the portion of the shaft above the attachment point becomes swolen. I have messed around with toe-in/toe-out and seemingly no better no matter what I do. What I plan to do is...

-Take a couple days off.
-Construct a noose stretching device per GMJ's recommendations.
-Resume hanging at about 5 pounds, 5 minute sets trying different adjustments.
-Work up to my maximum privacy time at 5 pounds, then increase by 1-1.5lbs. whenever I see fit, not the one-week arbitrary time frame I followed previously.
-Add in BTB jelqs between sets (although my skin is usually too "sticky?" to allow this, and they always stretch mostly skin.
-Add 10 minutes of light wet jelqs after the day is through.
-Add a couple sets before bed, to keep my newly deformed tissues extended longer.

Any feedback is appreciated.

prince Albert · Jan 23, 2006

GM if possible try and post pics of your wrap/settings and hanger attached,bib has talked me through setup a few times this way and it is the best way to get sorted.

goldmember · Jan 23, 2006

OK, just for you Albert

Here's a flaccid, one showing where I start the wrap, one in the wrapped state, one before the hanger attaches, one after, and one at 5 pounds hanging and another at 7.5 (although I did not show me hanging 14 pounds like I normally do).

Let me know if I need to include any more, as I'd happily do so if you think you can be of help.

prince Albert · Jan 24, 2006

Whats that wrap made of?it looks like your using one long piece to wrap with that will make it difficult,you would be better to use a longer thin strip 1.5 inches wide by say 17 inches long and spiral the wrap down the shaft pulling base skin back as you go,you can pull on the head with little finger and palm of hand and hold the wrap in place with the thumb then taping the bottom of the wrap up.

The pics with hanger attached are to small to really see whats going on.

Pandora · Jan 24, 2006

I would get some sliver theraband and make it 2 inch's by 15 and just wrap it around normally.

goldmember · Jan 24, 2006

Thanks guys. I will try that tip you gave me, PA, and if that doesn't work I'll order the silver Theraband. What you see is a 3.5" x 15" strip of black Theraband that I had left over from rehab exercises for a sports injury. I blew the smaller pics up so you can see what is happening, although it does no justice to the actual head expansion and swelling I got hanging 14 pounds in this fashion. I am now hanging 7.5 pounds SO with my lead pipe across the lap setup. I will post pics when I get a chance. Thanks again, comments welcome (and encouraged).

Pandora · Jan 24, 2006

Ok you can try this out for now but the sliver theraband is a must u need to add more wrap so the hanger can grip better get a old sweat jumper and cut that up into strips of 2 inch by 15 or u may want less maybe 10 but u want to add more wrap.

U may find u will lose abit more circulations with added wrap.

but the best thing is to get some sliver theraband and use that by itself its the thickest and the best. with abit of baby powder to stop if sticking from the skin or if it becomes uncomfortable add some baby powder.

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