Circulation at heavier weights

gold,

>I need to begin hanging from square one. It is very discouraging to know that the last three months were wasted<

Time is never wasted if you learned something. The key to Penis Enlargement is knowledge.

>because I think I was not grasping the internal structures sufficiently, and I was trying to increase the weight too fast, now I am not able to hang for consecutive sets, because in order for me to tighten sufficiently to prevent slippage, it hurts. I need to work on hanger adjustments and wrapping.<

You need to work on attachment point, which includes wrapping and hanger adjustment. The area where you attach is fine for stretching skin, and that is the first thing that needed to be done.

Now, you need to work on attaching the hanger closer to the head, and stretching the outer tunica and ligs (assuming BTC position) in a dedicated fashion.

With the hanger in the position in the pics, it is hard to grasp the internal structures completely. Normally, when attaching that high, you do not WANT the hanger to grasp the internal structures, but rather you want the skin to slip over the tunica, putting all the stress on the skin.

Side note: I do not know why someone would normally want to do it, but I have attempted to grasp the internal structures mid shaft, and at the base. It can be done, but only for 1-2 sets, as you found. After that, the hanger tends to force the fluid from the collagenous internal strucures, fascia, etc, and the hanger no longer grasps.

Here is what you want: Try moving the hanger down toward the head. It appears in the pics that you start the wrap in about the correct area. But rather than having the hanger 1/4 inch behind the leading edge of the wrap, it appears to be about two inches behind the leading edge of the wrap.

You are attempting to attach solely on the shaft, without using the shoulders of the head as the hanger was designed.

Now, what happens physiologically when you do this? All of that wrap between the hanger and head act as a noose on the head and skin. Rather than the hanger managing circulation, the hanger and weight attempt to bunch the skin and internal structures toward the head, and all of that wrap simply constrains this bunched tissue, and cuts off blood flow. Hence the swelling.

Your goal is this: Find the attachment point where the hanger is able to grasp the internal structures, bunch them toward the head, and then the front thumbs of the hanger "lock" into each side of the 'shoulders' of the head. The best way to do this is to attach at most a quarter inch behind the leading edge of the wrap, and then as you tighten, push the hanger forward in pulses, feeling the hanger grasp as you tighten. When you finish, the top of the head should be in front of the V formed by the two halves coming together, and the hanger should be seated on the shoulders, not the head itself.

>BIB, you say that the wrap should be loose enough to piss through, maybe even have to force it through, but piss through nonetheless. When I wrap, I think it is too LOOSE. I cannot for the life of me make it any tighter. When I attempt to piss with it, it does not constrain urine flow whatsoever.<

That is fine, and your wrap tightness looks fine in the pics. The black Theraband is very elastic, and very easy to piss past.

I do agree with the other guys that silver is better however. Also agree that the wrap width should be 1.5-2 inches.

>-Resume hanging at about 5 pounds, 5 minute sets trying different adjustments.<

I agree with this. But focus on attachment point. Five lbs will be a good weight to learn this technique.

>-Work up to my maximum privacy time at 5 pounds, then increase by 1-1.5lbs. whenever I see fit, not the one-week arbitrary time frame I followed previously.<

That is great.

>-Add in BTB jelqs between sets (although my skin is usually too "sticky?" to allow this, and they always stretch mostly skin.<

I like BTB jelqs, but I do not understand the skin comment.

>-Add 10 minutes of light wet jelqs after the day is through.<

Great.

>-Add a couple sets before bed, to keep my newly deformed tissues extended longer.<

Great.

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Can BTB Jelq be done as long as i want like 30 mins or more like before or after hanging streching.

BIB,

The advice helped, especially attaching the hanger closer to the head. I will come back to this thread as I progress further. Need to focus on work now.

-GM

Bib said:

million,

>BIB, did you have problems doing girth work and hanging???<

Did I? When I was ignorant enough to try it, I surely did. First, you should do girth work after you have completed your length work. Then, if you are doing maintanence hanging while going for girth, then do the hanging first always. For me, the fluid buildup and skin irritation made hanging impossible for at least a day.

>Seems today that my fluid buildup from the previous nights girth sessoin caused my head to go numb because of poor circulation, too much wrap, hanger tightness, it was something. It turned very darm and was quite cold to the touch. Circulation restored right after the set was over, but I noticed that the area of skin right above the hanger around the head has an excess of fluid buildup, so that is the reason why I said the above.<

You mean you did a full blown girth session the night before? Then tried to hang the next morning? Think about that a minute. You make shaft gains, either length or girth by deforming either the longitudenal or lateral bonds of the tunica. So the night before, you made the tears in the lateral bonds of the tunica, then the next morning, clamped a hanger on the irritated, inflammed tissues, not only of the skin, but the tunica as well.

Now, think about something else. You broke lateral bonds in the tunica with the girth session. Then, less than 12 hours later, you broke the longitudenal bonds of the tunica with your length session. What are the odds that this deformation will heal correctly?

>I adjusted the hex nuts, which could be another issue, the hanger is too wide now. I made the adjustment because I wasn't sure how the fit would be, so after the first set I kicked the nuts out a bit to see how it felt, and it was worse than before. I think it's partially the adjustment as well as the tightness of the hanger. I was just wondering if you had issues with heavy girth work and hanging in conjunction during your program, and how you worked through it???<

Yes, I think everyone has issues with length along with girth work. Just don't do it. When I went to maintanence hanging, and started my girth routine, first I slowly built up the girth work as I was cutting back on the hanging. Then, I did the hanging first, and the girth work last. But it was still sometimes tough to do the hanging.

>I took tonight off from girth work just to test the variables fresh tomorrow afternoon. I may end up having to wake up earlier in the morning and hanging earlier, and getting the girth work in sometime in the early evening and having plenty of recovery time so this isn't an issue any longer....Is 12 hours enough time between sessions?<

If you do your hanging first, and then the girth work immediately after, you will have more time to recover before your next hanging session. Hopefully close to 20 hours. But you will still not be recovered enough to be as comfortable as if you were only hanging.

More than anything, why not just wait till you reach your length goals to work on girth. It makes much more sense, and you will be more successful.

Further, the added mass of the tunica from girth work, whether you get any cross bonding within the tunica or not, will make length gains tougher to come by. The more mass of any substance will mean more bonds to break, which will mean more stress required to break those bonds.

Gains in girth come from internal tunica pressure, breaking lateral bonds because of this pressure. No matter the length of the tunica, it will require little if any added pressure to break the lateral bonds of a long tunica, vs a short tunica.

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EVERYONE should read this post.

Bib:
This is a great post - your feedback, opinions and dedication to Penis Enlargement is impressive to say the least.

I have a question that perhaps was addressed in this thread but I may have missed it -- I noted you said that on the top of the BIB when correctly placed, the teeth on both sides of the clamshell should completely engage. Perhaps that is my problem - the teeth never really get too close together and there's a lot of pinching going on. The bottom lugs are threaded in quite significantly with the teeth engaged, but the top is different. From your post, it appears I may be adjusting the BIB backwards with the bottom teeth engaged but not the top. Should BOTH sets of teeth be engaged when properly adjusted for maximum hanging "pleasure"?

BTW, I'm using the std BIB, not the starter.

Pandora,

>Can BTB Jelq be done as long as i want like 30 mins or more like before or after hanging streching.<

I never had any problems with BTB jelqing and anything else, at least that I can remember. The area affected by BTB is far away from attachment points, and the time and stress used are not conducive to great tissue deformation. It does greatly help with circulation however.


gold,

>The advice helped, especially attaching the hanger closer to the head. I will come back to this thread as I progress further. Need to focus on work now.<

Yes, stick with it, and let us know how you progress. Do not leave things to chance for too long. Knowledge is key.

Wilma,

>This is a great post - your feedback, opinions and dedication to Penis Enlargement is impressive to say the least.<

I appreciate the kind words.

I> have a question that perhaps was addressed in this thread but I may have missed it -- I noted you said that on the top of the BIB when correctly placed, the teeth on both sides of the clamshell should completely engage.<

Yes, the top teeth, on each side, should mesh, at least partially. You always want a bit of room to tighten further if needed.

>Perhaps that is my problem - the teeth never really get too close together and there's a lot of pinching going on. The bottom lugs are threaded in quite significantly with the teeth engaged, but the top is different.<

I am not sure you realize what the adjustment nuts are. What did you mean by "lugs"? If you mean the outer wing nuts, they are not adjustment nuts. The adjustments nuts are hex nuts, located on the inside of the right skid. Loosen the outer wing nuts out to the beads. Then, pull the right skid away from the hinge. You will see two sets of hex nuts next to the hinge. The outer set, one on front, one on back, are the adjustment nuts. From you description, you need to move them out a good bit. Then, replace the right skid, lined up properly, and snug down the outer wing nuts.

>From your post, it appears I may be adjusting the BIB backwards with the bottom teeth engaged but not the top. Should BOTH sets of teeth be engaged when properly adjusted for maximum hanging "pleasure"?<

No. The bottom teeth are important for restraining the bottom chamber, the CS. But the hanger should be adjusted so the the inner fingers of the shaft well are like this, / \, and not this, l l, or surely not this, \ /. This means the bottom gap must be wider than the top gap. Usually, if the top teeth are meshed a bit, the top gap will be much smaller than the bottom gap, which is fine.

You will need to run the bottom adjustment hex nuts out a bit, and then test. The key is to have the top teeth meshed a bit, when the hanger is finally tightened enough to hold the amount of weight you are attempting to hang. It is a trial and error process, which requires a few sets to get right.

The hanger is designed as described above, so that the inner shaft well fingers are pushing in and down on the shaft, and so that the hanger is grasping the inner structures of the top two major chambers. There should be much less pressure on the bottom chamber, the CS.

If your wrapped flaccid girth is big enough, the bottom teeth may not come close to meshing. That is fine.

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On BiB's advice here, I started massaging the whole penile shaft from the anus to glans, after clamping. I had the time to lie down and take a nap, and what I noticed was amazing.

First I felt a tired old blood feeling in my crotch, then my lower abdomen, then more on the ab surface, then in my face, my hands, and finally my nose after about an hour and a half. That was with an initial massage of about three reps up and down, another three reps after five minutes, one massage cycle fifteen minutes later, and at half an hour. Then I just noted how I was feeling over an hour and a half. Amazing. By the time it got into my nose it wasn't a bad blood feeling anymore, and there might be a good hormone load that also gets circulated because I was feeling good from about an hour on.

Survey?

pnoewbe;271760 said:

On BiB's advice here, I started massaging the whole penile shaft from the anus to glans, after clamping. I had the time to lie down and take a nap, and what I noticed was amazing.

First I felt a tired old blood feeling in my crotch, then my lower abdomen, then more on the ab surface, then in my face, my hands, and finally my nose after about an hour and a half. That was with an initial massage of about three reps up and down, another three reps after five minutes, one massage cycle fifteen minutes later, and at half an hour. Then I just noted how I was feeling over an hour and a half. Amazing. By the time it got into my nose it wasn't a bad blood feeling anymore, and there might be a good hormone load that also gets circulated because I was feeling good from about an hour on.

Survey?

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Wow! That's interesting! Gotta try that.

I noticed that tired blood effect, too, same as you say. It went all over my body, too.

Could be true about hormones, too.