Breaking all the Rules and Getting so Much Expansion!

Netuk,
One more thing to add.

I got horrible sleep last night, hadn't taken my herbal pill in a while, wasn't getting a good seal on the Bathmate at all! Air bubbles kept going in like crazy. I travel a lot and am on the road. When I get home I'm going to change the sleeve I have cause not getting good seal with it.

I hadn't had red dots in a while but was having such a hard time just now keeping a good seal, bubbles were streaming in, and i kept having to pump the Bathmate and didn't have good erection quality which might have contributed and when I decided I needed a rest pumping after 15 mins I did have a darker dick than normal with some red dots.
I also realize I wasn't doing KEGELS.

I think good Erections and a good seal and doing the KEGELS continuously very hard may be key. I go minutes without any sometimes then do them hard and long other times. The KEGELS I think force good fresh blood in refreshing your dick. Since I started doing them I haven't been as dark at all coming out!

Also work your way up. Maybe do 2 or 3 15-30 minute sets till you see that it's working for you...

Took my boner pill just now and am gonna do a workout tonight. Hope I have better success.

Sorry, one more thing to add:
I think time in the Bathmate is key and try to keep it constantly pumped. More time. Better results.

Whether it be 10 5 minute sets or one 50 minute one..

More time seems to get Better results.

Has anyone ever come close to matching Dan Clizer's success doing any method other than his? He was doing insanely long times in it...and gained like mad. He also said KEGELING the whole time helped a lot!

He would do 6x6 mins(36 mins in Bathmate) with 1 minute breaks before doing his manual Penis Enlargement and do this 2 or 3 times in a day. HE WOULD TRY TO KEEP HIS DICK CONSTANTLY PUMPenis EnlargementD AT ALL TIMES. He now does 30 minute sets.

Obviously I like to think a lot about this and have over these past couple months.

I have something else to say!

This last week I've had great erections maybe cuz of Bathmate but also maybe because I've been constantly taking boner pills that had undeclared cialis in them. Every time I was in the Bathmate I would have a great erection from �naked people movies� and if I felt it going down or felt pain would KEGEL,KEGEL, KEGEL to get it hard.

Just now I had a poor session. Had bad boner cuz was so worried about the endless steam of bubbles going in That also wasn't KEGELING. I kept having to pump over and over just to keep pressure and probably pumped too hard too fast and didnt let pressure build slowly like normal because was so impatient and mad at bubbles.. I have a MUCH MUCH darker dick right now and I was only in the Bathmate 15 mins!!! I broke capillaries or something cause I see dots like mad.

I should have stayed at a lower pressure, concentrated on keeping a boner while kegeling while my dick expanded in my stretched out sleeve till I got a good seal but didn't.

Dan Klizer admits to taking Viagra I think and some other herbal pills at other times. So does DLD. DLD recommends many products here at his site which work good and says good erections are key to good girth results.

Dang I talk too much. Sorry!!

Bottom line: good erections in Bathmate and during manual work with KEGELING I think help get a not as dark dick with better girth results.

Ok I've officially got diahrea of the mouth and need to get more sleep and think before I post!!

I just remembered Dan Clizer would go in flaccid!!!! He would build up pressure SLOWLY NOT HITTING MAX PRESSURE TILL THE END OF HIS 3rd to beginning of his 4th 6 minute set KEGELING constantly.

So erections must not matter that much except for the manual.

When I've had success this last week getting amazing expansion and NOT GETTING DARKNESS THAT DIDN'T GO AWAY QUICKLY Ive gone in hard, built pressure slowly, made sure I had a good seal, and kegelled constantly.

Hope out of all my rambling something helped someone!

Floppy! Your turn! Tell us your experience with 1 hour sets. Beginning erect girth, girth out of Bathmate, what's helped, hurt? After manual do you keep some of the expansion?

Good stuff, this is not a rant, this is very valuable data to everyone! I commend your ability to spread the awareness and explain these things in detail. The idea of a progress log is to become better, gain a greater understanding of yourself, your limits, your gifts, etc. Expressing these things in a log becomes such important history after you have made your gains. Look at any of the data logs from long time members, the information in each of their logs is like a free Penis Enlargement paysite in itself! The things we share with each other create the innovations and further expansion of the Penis Enlargement process as a whole.

Thanks DLD. Makes my comments feel more than welcome!

Like to share something else I've found that's cool:
Like I've said I was squeezing my dick below the head to get out fluid. I was noticing that hours later just below where I was squeezing hard was measuring largest later on and also the most hard. ALSO just above the bottom hand against my body was hardest and widest as well.

It was leAving my dick fattest right below my circumcision scar and skinnier above and below.I didn't like this and wanted to even it out and have a theory that right next to where is being squeezed is getting the most intense pressure causing expansion to be greatest there.

The last three workouts I've done, I've actually done something different that seems pretty awesome!:
1) I've been keeping the hand at the base squeezing hard.
2) the other hand I've been squeezing just below the head as hard as I can for say 10 seconds.
3) then I've been moving down the shaft and squeezing as hard as possible in 1/2 inch increments till my hands met.
4) if start to lose erection I pause and get hard again and then resume.

This has been leaving me harder than I can ever remember in my life when erect and if I pumped up to 6.0 I'd be as hard as a rock at 6.0. If I pumped to 5.5 I'd be as hard as a rock at 5.5.

I just pumped to 5.5 tonight nice and slow for about an hour at low pressures(my dick needed a break from the high pressures!!), did these and the ssj's for 15 minutes and then edged for about 30 minutes before rewarding myself

Get home tomorrow and am excited to do this before fucking my girlfriend she's gonna love it!

I gave DLDs method of Bathmate then SSJs and did this for about an hour. Did 10mins in the Bathmate then 10mins of SSJs but I didn't feel the 10mins in the Bathmate so each set I went up another 5mins with last one going for 25mins and just did 10mins of SSJs in between. Results were almost identical to going 1hr straight in the Bathmate followed by SSJs but there was no fluid retention at all. I'd have to say I like the smaller sets better with SSJs even if it is a bit more work but I'll have to give it another go and do more SSJs because my EQ what not very good yesterday so I'm taking today off to rest and will see what happens tomorrow. Oh and sorry I can't give measurement but I don't measure.

Good info Floppy. Thanks for sharing... Glad u figured out how to stop the fluid retention. My method i just posted seems to really work for me too.

Your EQ wasn't the best which happens to me without the supplements but I've had problems with that since I was even a teenager because of a medical issue. Even with the EQ difficulty you still got great expansion doing what you did? That's good....

Also:
How many months have u been doing it and do u think u've gained?

Sorry for the interrogation it's just still a little hard to believe I may have my goal dick in like 2 months instead of 2 years!

I've been doing in on and off since the beginning of the year but have taken the last month and a half serious and have gained about a quarter of an inch. I wish I'd stuck with it all year, I can only imagine what sort of results I would have by now. Still there are definite gains so stick with it the Bathmate is great. Weird thing is yesterday I had a great workout even if my EQ wasn't it's best but today my erections are crazy good so I'm not sure what's going on. Might be that I started doing kegels again or it could also be because I used my extender for the first time last night in a very long time but I'm not sure if using an extender really help your EQ. Also do you take days off? I skimmed through this thread but I might have missed it. I notice that if I take a day or two off my penis gets a little thicker.

Chuck6877;502880 said:

Sorry for the interrogation it's just still a little hard to believe I may have my goal dick in like 2 months instead of 2 years!

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That is not for everyone but men who become involved on the level you have really do quite well quickly. I would not try to put an expiration date on it but I would not expect to wait 2 years either.

Thanks DLD,
I think I may have gone a little TOO gung ho and need to throttle back a bit!!

My dick is so sore. It hurts to touch. Had good sex with girlfriend today and I kept saying ow many times while she touched it and blew me. Not good.

Floppy,
Gonna take some days off now. Gonna be busy next two days anyways. Gonna let my dick heal. I could barely pump it had become so painful. 3 hours in one day and 1-2 hours all the other days for like 8 days straight wasn't good.

In the Bathmate it was like the pressure was trying to rip off my dick's skin.

When I resume two workouts and rarely three for me but maybe I'll just go for like 30 mins and do manual. This should give me close to a half inch girth increase for the manual. That should be good I'd think?

When you say your dick gets thicker after days off do you mean it's thicker before you even do your next Bathmate session or that your dick gets thicker while you do your Bathmate session?

It gets thicker after about two days off without using the Bathmate at all. Both Flaccid and Erect girth seems thicker then before but I'm not sure why. It might have something to do with fatigue and after two days off more blood starts to pump through my penis so that might be something to keep in mind. I usually take one day off a week but two seems to be were I notice a bit more a difference.

Chuck6877;503047 said:

Thanks DLD,
I think I may have gone a little TOO gung ho and need to throttle back a bit!!

My dick is so sore. It hurts to touch. Had good sex with girlfriend today and I kept saying ow many times while she touched it and blew me. Not good.

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haha, sorry for laughing but I can relate This was me for my first month of Penis Enlargement, always sore. It will eventually not happen...give yourself a day off.

Lol. Glad to give you a laugh!! today is gonna be second day off.

Then gonna stop being so over zealous!

That Bathmate is trying to rip the skin off my penis! Lol.

Floppy,
I realized never thanked you for th reply! Thank you. I'm gonna have to start adding some off days especially before I get too sore!

Hopefully gains will come more and more

Chuck6877;503363 said:

Lol. Glad to give you a laugh!! today is gonna be second day off.

Then gonna stop being so over zealous!

That Bathmate is trying to rip the skin off my penis! Lol.

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You will be just fine, next time don't go so crazy

LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE!!:

Ok I was conditioned having pumped about two weeks straight.
Was going nuts and doing 1-3 hours a day with no capillaries breaking.
Took 2 days off...
Was pumping in dark room watching football game last night and thought: oh I'll just pump 35 minutes instead of 45 mins-1hour. I even increased pressure so slowly reaching max after maybe 25 mins!

No biggie I thought, boy was I wrong!!! Now I'm worried I may have caused some semi-permanent discoloration because I so badly broke almost every capillary in my dick.
It's 12 hours later and it's still really dark.

Lesson to be learned:
Do NOT unless conditioned for lower times and not seen broke capillaries even attempt long sets.
After taking days off DO NOT go back to long sets without several days building up to it.

I wish I had never taken any days off!!! (but just lowered Bathmate time to rest)

That sucks but I have never experienced this before and I take one or two days off a week. The fact that you took it easier and this still happened is what makes it weird. Are you sure there was nothing different about this session? Just don't let this turn you off.

Chuck6877;503848 said:

LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE!!:

Ok I was conditioned having pumped about two weeks straight.
Was going nuts and doing 1-3 hours a day with no capillaries breaking.
Took 2 days off...
Was pumping in dark room watching football game last night and thought: oh I'll just pump 35 minutes instead of 45 mins-1hour. I even increased pressure so slowly reaching max after maybe 25 mins!

No biggie I thought, boy was I wrong!!! Now I'm worried I may have caused some semi-permanent discoloration because I so badly broke almost every capillary in my dick.
It's 12 hours later and it's still really dark.

Lesson to be learned:
Do NOT unless conditioned for lower times and not seen broke capillaries even attempt long sets.
After taking days off DO NOT go back to long sets without several days building up to it.

I wish I had never taken any days off!!! (but just lowered Bathmate time to rest)

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This is really not a big deal my brother, it happens to all of us. Permanent discoloration usually happens due to repetitive injury of the same tissue with no regard for correction. It is going to happen and the best way to deal with it is through deep, deep, tissue massage directly after training. Five minutes will work wonders.

The good thing about this is you have learned your maximum and now can shoot for a level of expansion that will not cause these issues. Penis Enlargement is all about getting to know your body and how it will react to the exercise, routine or intensity.

Thanks guys. Gonna be careful after days off. Pretty sure everything was the same.

Ive seen other people say they had to take it easy after days off because they broke capillaries. I guess some guys fall in that category and some don't.

I went so many days without broke capillaries that I guess I thought I'd never get them again.

I'm gonna do more massage too which I've seen help before...

DLD,
Obviously you like helping us all get bigger dicks... Get that discoloration product out there and more men will be batHydromaxating like crazy! Intensities will be higher. People will gain faster! Any luck with the magnets?