does any1 know what happened with SUPRA's experimentation with IGF-1?
he seemed to want to try to see if injecting that would lead to better gains?
he seemed to want to try to see if injecting that would lead to better gains?
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Vaseline_Knight said:
I think he did inject already..I dont see any gains coming from it and it could be dangerous the build up of scar tissue can lead it to curve and cause ED if shot wrong...Im not creating a false scare over nothing It could be safe but if it is not tested and proven to work and @least 90% safe why take the risk??
DWTS00 said:
ya i know, i just found it interesting that he wanted to experiment with it, and was wondering where he got with it.
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Yea, he supposedly did do this stuff...but I've always taken that guy with a grain of salt. He got awefully flakey after a while. I would never recommend doing anything of the sort without the guidance of a medical professional...even though the medical field pretty much shuns non surgical Penis Enlargement.
So, basically the whole "IGF" thing turned into a hyped up idea to get him attention and or make him money....oh kinda like the "ring of power".
So, basically the whole "IGF" thing turned into a hyped up idea to get him attention and or make him money....oh kinda like the "ring of power".
Supra said:
oh ok. any new experimental work with Penis Enlargement supra?
I've always been a fan of your work, which is why i was wondering if that IGF-1 thing had any results.
Also, in your slammers thread, you said you gained 1/2 inch of length from them. How do you suppose that worked? to get length from slammers?
I'm trying to tackle both length and girth at the same time and your post was the only piece of literature in the Penis Enlargement scene that I came across that backed up, to some extent, what I wanted to do.
Supra i see from another post that you still belive in the Rop and wear it regurly, i am about to start wearing mine again, was wondering if over time you found a good way to really get the electros flowing. I have a simple rop zinc, and refrigerant copper. I wear it sort of tight, and i get a pump but dont' know if its working as a cock ring. So have began saying making a lube type will get it working better made of conditioner "hair", viniger, and salt. What u thinkSupra said:
This entire thread has been kind of interesting but it is hard to really pinpoint what it was or what was going on.
One of the things that happened was shortly after the dawn of the new millenium some MD's finally wrote a paper detailing penis enlargement associated with several disease processes including sicle cell anemia.
It was found in their research that this enlargement caused by the cursed "priapism" was not harmful. This is a great "oversimplification", but is where this whole thing originated. There are types of "priapism" that ARE harmful, but what these patients expericed caused enlargement and their erectile function worked just dandy!
Some researchers got together and said: If we duplicate that special kind of priapism can we re-create the enlargement part.
This leads us up to this thread.
In the beginning we have a thread that details everything including making claims for gains and much more. A point is reached where the participants all of a sudden even countermand their own wording and confuse everybody.
Here are a few of the possibilities. The exact truth will never be known but I have a really interesting surprise in the end.
If the posters were in fact the researchers they soon realized what the did have and went looking for legal council. A patent Attorney would have told them to shut their idiotic mouths and get everything patented before their open mouths and infomation resulted in parallel research by someone else and they would be frozen out.
The next possibility is that the posters who detailed all of this were individuals trying to prevent the issue of a patent by the United States Patent Office. This thread and the open mouths appeared in more places than just this board and said basically the same thing in all those places.
If there had been a rush of patent applications all claiming the same kind of information, the USPO would have stalled the whole thing.
Here is the surprise:
On 11-12-04 This patent was filed for. It appears that the patent for this VERY WELL DOCUMENTED protocol complete with incredibly detailed explanations was awarded on 3-24-2005.
The easiest way to find this is simply to go to Google and type in United States Patent Office. When you get inside go to searches. There will be two categories these are new and older. Go to "NEW".
Using their search engine type in the words "intracavernosal injections" and doing this it did not take me long to find "penis enlargement" in the list.
It may be of little surprise that I came up with virtually what had been detailed in these postings in the early stages except that in the patent applications there is a great deal more detailed information and the results on a number of participants.
You will find this to be fascinating reading and so much of this will be so familiar. There is also a great deal that was NOT in these postings as well.
Not totally workable for the average guy yet, BUT, I can virtually guarantee that somone is going to get ahold of this (for a price) and simplify it down to where the average MD and even lay person can deal with it.
Interesting reading!
Fuzzy Ken
That was a good find Fuzzy...
It's actually pretty simple process. What they do is inject some type of vasodilator (or a combination of prostaglandin E1, Atropine, Chlorpromazine and Papavarine) into the penis to encourage an erection lasting 3-5 hours. They also use a potentiator (either DHT orally or subcutaneously in the penis, test injections sucutaneously in the penis, or potassium aminobenzoate orally) in conjunction with the vaso treatment. They did this 2 to 4 times a week for 4 to six months and got great results.... between .6" to over 1" in length over the treatment period. Girth gains were also significant but not as well documented in the patent application.
It's actually pretty simple process. What they do is inject some type of vasodilator (or a combination of prostaglandin E1, Atropine, Chlorpromazine and Papavarine) into the penis to encourage an erection lasting 3-5 hours. They also use a potentiator (either DHT orally or subcutaneously in the penis, test injections sucutaneously in the penis, or potassium aminobenzoate orally) in conjunction with the vaso treatment. They did this 2 to 4 times a week for 4 to six months and got great results.... between .6" to over 1" in length over the treatment period. Girth gains were also significant but not as well documented in the patent application.
For those of you interested...
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...+injections&RS=intracavernosal+AND+injections
I'm considering contacting the person to find out more. It appears to have no upper bound to growth. The person who did it for 18 months gained 2.8" length and 2.1" girth. That's amazing.
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...+injections&RS=intracavernosal+AND+injections
I'm considering contacting the person to find out more. It appears to have no upper bound to growth. The person who did it for 18 months gained 2.8" length and 2.1" girth. That's amazing.
With regards to my past appearances on "Beard Board" yes I am guilty.
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When I found all of this I made some telephone calls to a 20+ year friend in Los Angeles that is a Patent Attorney and he is going to see what he can do as a personal favor to me to dig out more information on what this is all about. We have to be careful and tread lightly because of possible suBathmateissions to the FDA which may already be in progress without our knowledge.
I will share the information with all because I sincerely believe that this has potential to be far too important to let die.
I have chased this story since it's inception really in 2001 based on the original medical papers on enlargement in disease as mentioned.
This same story started and ended in a number of forums and in some all references that the thread had ever even existed were deleted. The only forum that I know of with the thread intact to this day is this one.
Surprisingly the first place that these concepts came forward were in a forum now gone that was owned by a little mom and pop body-building supplement company. A great deal was said there and then the entire thing just overnight evaporated.
What we need to do is to try and avoid driving this patent holder underground. If this fellow based on what he has goes into seclusion it is going to make what we as men need only more difficult. This is why I want the Patent Attorney to see what he can do before we all let anything get out of hand.
Postings relating to this are also on "Surgical Enlargement Forum" over at Yahoo Groups where I have been active for a long time and I did a very lengthy posting on this at that location earlier this evening.
If one reads the entire patent report and has above average medical knowledge this can be enhanced even more or at least it's chances can.
This can be done by implantation of a tiny drug catheter as is used with automatic pumps for such items as insulin, pain medications, cancer drugs and the like. If a drug catheter were implanted the "cocktail" could be easily made and "injected" in a calibrated trickle by the drug pump. Doing it this way would eliminate turning ones penis into a "pincushion" and the necessity of doing the repeated intra-cavernosal injections. It would make possible low flow drug in extremely low dosages 24 hours per day. In addition, I am familiar courtesey of a severely diabetic friend with the operation of these pumps. There is a feature on the right ones that would allow a "bolus" or small measured additional dose to be added at various times to compensate. By doing this literally you could wear the stupid pump wear clothing that is not revealing and grow your dick just like you did when you were in puberty. If the erection were to get too soft you push a little button on the pump and that button signals the pump to give you a tiny extra hit. If the erection does not come up in a few minutes you repeat the procedure. Again this is what a diabetic with a pump does to manage blood sugar.
I am beginning to search for an MD that will work with us on this one fellows!
Using a few variations this cocktail can with use of a pump remain sterile and safe for all, the minute variations in dosage can easily be coped with and what is even better is that with the implanted drug catheter the danger of infection is about NIL! You would have the main danger be at the time of implantation. That would be it! Done well, you could stay on a cocktail like that at least in theory for a period of years without problems. There is an alternate injection site at the base of the penis which will work for a pump and implanted drug catheter arrangement.
We have waited many moons for the "magic pill" (so to speak) being patient and carefull now will greatly increase our chances in the long term for success.
We also have to be careful in another way.
If the inventor and owner of this protocol is working to get FDA approval he is going to be less than cooperative. Because the FDA is about as secret as "Joan and Melissa Rivers at a Gossip Fest" the Patents had to be applied for prior to the FDA becoming involved.
We have to tread lightly or we ourselves in our zealousness to get what we want can create even more in the way of delays for ourselves.
Fuzzy Ken
P.S. For the "Beard Board" guy: If you want all the information that you could never get or see pictures of on Beard Board go to "mbhdatabase" and "growbh" in Yahoo groups.
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When I found all of this I made some telephone calls to a 20+ year friend in Los Angeles that is a Patent Attorney and he is going to see what he can do as a personal favor to me to dig out more information on what this is all about. We have to be careful and tread lightly because of possible suBathmateissions to the FDA which may already be in progress without our knowledge.
I will share the information with all because I sincerely believe that this has potential to be far too important to let die.
I have chased this story since it's inception really in 2001 based on the original medical papers on enlargement in disease as mentioned.
This same story started and ended in a number of forums and in some all references that the thread had ever even existed were deleted. The only forum that I know of with the thread intact to this day is this one.
Surprisingly the first place that these concepts came forward were in a forum now gone that was owned by a little mom and pop body-building supplement company. A great deal was said there and then the entire thing just overnight evaporated.
What we need to do is to try and avoid driving this patent holder underground. If this fellow based on what he has goes into seclusion it is going to make what we as men need only more difficult. This is why I want the Patent Attorney to see what he can do before we all let anything get out of hand.
Postings relating to this are also on "Surgical Enlargement Forum" over at Yahoo Groups where I have been active for a long time and I did a very lengthy posting on this at that location earlier this evening.
If one reads the entire patent report and has above average medical knowledge this can be enhanced even more or at least it's chances can.
This can be done by implantation of a tiny drug catheter as is used with automatic pumps for such items as insulin, pain medications, cancer drugs and the like. If a drug catheter were implanted the "cocktail" could be easily made and "injected" in a calibrated trickle by the drug pump. Doing it this way would eliminate turning ones penis into a "pincushion" and the necessity of doing the repeated intra-cavernosal injections. It would make possible low flow drug in extremely low dosages 24 hours per day. In addition, I am familiar courtesey of a severely diabetic friend with the operation of these pumps. There is a feature on the right ones that would allow a "bolus" or small measured additional dose to be added at various times to compensate. By doing this literally you could wear the stupid pump wear clothing that is not revealing and grow your dick just like you did when you were in puberty. If the erection were to get too soft you push a little button on the pump and that button signals the pump to give you a tiny extra hit. If the erection does not come up in a few minutes you repeat the procedure. Again this is what a diabetic with a pump does to manage blood sugar.
I am beginning to search for an MD that will work with us on this one fellows!
Using a few variations this cocktail can with use of a pump remain sterile and safe for all, the minute variations in dosage can easily be coped with and what is even better is that with the implanted drug catheter the danger of infection is about NIL! You would have the main danger be at the time of implantation. That would be it! Done well, you could stay on a cocktail like that at least in theory for a period of years without problems. There is an alternate injection site at the base of the penis which will work for a pump and implanted drug catheter arrangement.
We have waited many moons for the "magic pill" (so to speak) being patient and carefull now will greatly increase our chances in the long term for success.
We also have to be careful in another way.
If the inventor and owner of this protocol is working to get FDA approval he is going to be less than cooperative. Because the FDA is about as secret as "Joan and Melissa Rivers at a Gossip Fest" the Patents had to be applied for prior to the FDA becoming involved.
We have to tread lightly or we ourselves in our zealousness to get what we want can create even more in the way of delays for ourselves.
Fuzzy Ken
P.S. For the "Beard Board" guy: If you want all the information that you could never get or see pictures of on Beard Board go to "mbhdatabase" and "growbh" in Yahoo groups.
....or, I could keep an erection level of about 80% or more by jacking off for at least six hours every day (uninterupted) for the next two years :s
Voila, 10x8 rofl
Serioulsy, this is going to drive me insane, knowing that a mix of vasodilators and testosterone, properly administered will grow your penis, and it's unavailable to us.
Voila, 10x8 rofl
Serioulsy, this is going to drive me insane, knowing that a mix of vasodilators and testosterone, properly administered will grow your penis, and it's unavailable to us.