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It explains my experience. I figured out how to stretch all on my own before finding this site. Did all the stretching I could and pretty much peaked at my current length of 7.75. All of my work out was on my suspensory ligament. It was all focused on pulling down as well. Only after joining here did I start to do girth work. I've gained plenty of girth but no luck on the length. Guess it's time to start hanging.
What city is that doctor in?
What city is that doctor in?
Gangsta Urologist (R.I.P.) said not to hang straight down too much because it risks nerve damage.MikeShlort;575462 said:
Vetiver;576271 said:
Not entirely sure. I've stopped doing straight down. I can only guess that it is related to possibly damaging the dorsal nerve.
Here is the full Gangsta quote from Neutronstar:
Satyr;576293 said:
Even though I think this thread was very interesting- I see no reason people should follow what's written on these thread religiously. This community has been up for more than 10 years now and I've seen no thread where someone says he had his nerves damaged or whatsoever. I am not saying the information is inaccurate, but there are lots of stuff on these 2 threads (the Gangsta Urologist one) and this one that contradict what DLD has said and even some information in both thread is contradicted.
(I was just about to quote some of the info, but I saw the 1st post of the thread posted ny Neurostar has been deleted. If anyone has it copied- I'd love to have a copy of this read myself
). "He told me the majority of stretching should be down in the down direction (all angles), but other directions such as straight out and straight up are important to do as well. He told me the more angles the better."- this is quoted from the 1st post of this thread. This is the 1st contradiction- the gangsta urologist says you must not stretch downward and this guy says it is the best angle (along with BTC) to stretch.
And I remember Mike saying that stretching with normal grip (the one most of us use- where you grip before the glans or an inch before it (varies for everyone)) and the gangsta urologist said that one should stretch at the base of the shaft (I don't remember it being like that 100%, but I remember reading it through the thread).
And how many of you have tried the fast mini jelqs he was talking about?
I don't know... but if you have a copy of the thread- please PM it to me or just paste it here
Tell me what you guys think, I think we can make a good discussion on it
Zam, I don't see a contradiction in the quoted sentence and I can't remember one. Iirc and as it is quoted above by toucHydromaxyjunk the only thing he warned neutron off was the straight btc stretch, not any kind of downward stretch (just to be clear: I don't consider the btc stretch as downward stretch! btc is btc, downward is downward).
toucHydromaxyjunk;576310 said:
I guess it was my bad- I didn't understand right
The mini jelqs- do they work for you? What expansion do you get from them?
Zambrodom3;576314 said:I guess it was my bad- I didn't understand right
The mini jelqs- do they work for you? What expansion do you get from them?
If you're talking about the mini jelqs where you start at the base and only move up like 1-1/2" then yeah, they work. I think they've helped increase base girth too...
Satyr;576318 said:
and do you use any lubrication? I don't remember perfectly, but I think it was said to be performed dry...?
How I do them..Satyr;576318 said:
During a good raging hard on, loose jelq-grip at the base, push into fat pad, tighten grip and jelq about 1". Most grip pressure along the sides. Repeat like you are building pressure then hold it and close another finger or two on the grip.
So I just use it like a pump to increase the pressure of a hard on. Personally it works best as a supplement when doing mixed manual work, i.e. full package stretches and blasters.
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Mike Short: Did you go to a specialist? Because after reading your post, it sounds like you think you're a specialist.
toucHydromaxyjunk;576322 said:
What expansion do you see after this?
It's somewhat unlimited because I find a lot of leverage when doing this. So I keep the pressure somewhere between "clamped" pressure and blowing the tip of my penis out.Zambrodom3;576337 said:
I consider it a stretching exercise which I use to prepare for air pump or the longer term use of a sleeve.
I think also that the use of sleeves is underrated. For me, a fabric sleeve (divo or stealth -- I combine the two) really concentrates pressure. Like an amplified jelq. Every once in a while I experiment with wearing a sleeve over two days, say a weekend, and combining jelq and clamping. At the end, it's seriously like a different dick, typically 1/4" longer (due to temporary expansion and deformity). It is perhaps, a way to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] for internal expansion.
I suggest you guys hit up bib's forum if you want some legit information on proper hanging.
Yes, the Dr. was a specialist. But the 4 steps I posted a few days ago is how I would approach Penis Enlargement. Penis Enlargement is an easy concept with difficult to master techniques. The key is consistency, determination and research. And being able to tell good information from bad information helps.
One thing I can tell you is beware if you're going to hang lying down... Keep your back completely straight or you will have back problems. Same goes with wearing an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] while working.. Causes more back harm than it does any positive length benefits.
Yes, the Dr. was a specialist. But the 4 steps I posted a few days ago is how I would approach Penis Enlargement. Penis Enlargement is an easy concept with difficult to master techniques. The key is consistency, determination and research. And being able to tell good information from bad information helps.
One thing I can tell you is beware if you're going to hang lying down... Keep your back completely straight or you will have back problems. Same goes with wearing an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] while working.. Causes more back harm than it does any positive length benefits.
MikeShlort;576350 said:
I still have to disagree with your theories about ligament fibrosis from doing girth + length. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding, and that you were mainly trying to stress to go slow in the beginning as not to over-train and cause the scar tissue formation, but adding in girth really doesn't play a role in this.
Vetiver;576356 said:
Yeah Mike, I'd love to have that answered as well. What do you think personally and what exactly did the "professional" tell you?
Vetiver;576356 said:
Most hangers will tell you adding girth before length makes it more difficult to add tunica stretching gains. The reasons being a) the tunica becomes toughened from the stress (this was the Dr.'s point) and b) it's just logical that a thicker material is harder to stretch than a thinner one.
That being said, many people like myself won't be affected. I have ligament potential gains, plus I started with a fairly big penis. Someone who's like 5 inches might wanna lay off girth work if they're trying to be 8 inches, because their ligament stretch potential could stall out after say 1.5 inches and they still need to make up that other 1.5 inches with tunica stretching.
I wrote this original post before I did research on hanging. IMO, the most educated and serious Penis Enlargement practitioners are hangers so you guys should probably figure out where they share information and start gaining that knowledge... This thread is for like newbies so they don't start yanking on their cocks too hard at first or start pumping like crazy and toughen their shit.
That being said, my gradual theory applies to hanging. They start at low weight, cause micro tears, keep stretching those micro tears and try to get the most gains out of the lowest possible weight. The goal is not to see how much weight your cock can hang - the goal is not strength, it's size. So like a bodybuilder who trains til failure, you're trying to rip apart the tissue. Only diff is you don't give it any time to heal - you keep attacking it before it can heal so you can pull out those micro tears again. I think that's maybe what I was trying to get at when I originally wrote this, just didn't have the info yet to convey my concept.
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Doesn't it just take a 2-3 week deconditioning to allow the ligaments to weaken? It doesn't take too long for the rest of the body to fall apart. Ever wear a sling for 3 weeks? Your shoulder connecting tissues will barely function they become so weak.
I actually believe that taking a deconditioning break STRENGTHENS the ligaments. If you don't ever take a break, they don't ever have a chance to heal and get stronger and create scar tissue. At least that has been my experience. The less time I take off the more pliable my dick is. And once they have strengthened, it can take a very long time for them to weaken depending on the person. Some people, like those with a tendency for Peyronie's disease, it will never weaken. Others it may never even harden in the first place.
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Rep mikeshlort. Great article. Funny thing is after all my years in my on and off pe career( up to month long breaks) I ended up only wearing the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] w/ [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words]. I also wasn't as knowledgable as I am now thanks to the brothhood.
I think you may have also written another article about seeing a urologist that said to to these fast mini Jelqs at the base or was that someone else. Does anyone have a link?
Anyway I use the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] more than 2 hours and the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] always goes back to minimal tension. It's a smart plan going with it at first.
Before the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] I was on and off with [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98Â ]Bathmate[/words] and some clamp work. Longer before that I had a very short stretching and hanging career.
Can someone make this a sticky please.
I think you may have also written another article about seeing a urologist that said to to these fast mini Jelqs at the base or was that someone else. Does anyone have a link?
Anyway I use the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] more than 2 hours and the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] always goes back to minimal tension. It's a smart plan going with it at first.
Before the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] I was on and off with [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98Â ]Bathmate[/words] and some clamp work. Longer before that I had a very short stretching and hanging career.
Can someone make this a sticky please.
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truant;576454 said:
It was Neutron and I do have link to the thread, but Neutron deleted all of his posts in the whole thread, because this was too big of a discussion made out of his visit to the urologist.
It would be great to have this as a sticky
MikeShlort;576431 said:
Yes, I see what your getting at; stressing the importance of putting priorities in place and approaching goals with frugality. You're analogy about bodybuilding and muscle breakdown is sort of relative, and the penis has only a portion of smooth muscle. I also just have to keep disagreeing with the statement that growing the tunica through girth exercises will deem length gains more difficult to attain. Did you see my post about the tunica and how it's structured? Breaking down all of the penile tissues will be most effective for anyone seeking gains. Just like when stretching, and going in all directions. I believe the same applies to girth because there are multiple other parts to the penile anatomy. Here's a little picture to help show the parts of the penis, and if you check out the fascia you'll realize that it surrounds the tunica. Amazingly enough the penis is incredibly resilient, as DLD has professed, and I for one believe it based on my own experiences.
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Check out the definition of fascia here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascia
Note: When bodybuilding, and breaking down muscle groups, they rebuild stronger due to over-compensation to anticipate the next break down. The hypertrophy is limited only by the fascia that surrounds the muscle. In skeletal muscle, the fascia is basically what holds those muscle groups together, and that's the toughest part about increasing that volume because the fascia can be extremely hard to stretch out. Finally, I believe if you neglect one aspect of P.E. you're only losing out.
Zambrodom3;576467 said:It was Neutron and I do have link to the thread, but Neutron deleted all of his posts in the whole thread, because this was too big of a discussion made out of his visit to the urologist.
It would be great to have this as a sticky
Ok cool so it was Neutron. Haha he deleted his posts really damn I remember it was a big discussion like this one.
It had a lot of good info that I forgot but what I took out of it was the Jelq technique his urologist mentioned which conformed to me. I'll do a search for the thread and maybe bump it back up or if someone can do a link.
Yeah a discussion like this should be stuck and maybe paired with neutrons thread there's some great info on them like the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] thread. I see it's paper clipped idk what that exactly does though.
toucHydromaxyjunk;576434 said:
Ya but that's because in a sling you aren't moving your arm. While deconditioning, your penis is still getting erect and functioning normally. There is no reason why your ligaments would atrophy with normal use. That being said, I do believe in deconditioning but I believe it is only appropriate when you plateau at heavy weights AFTER you've cemented.
As far as vet's comment, I just go by what the hanging community goes by. Maybe working girth while hanging won't cause gaining at higher angled hanging to be more difficult but there is anecdotal evidence that those with larger girth had much more difficulty hanging. The user ironwill here is dealing with that problem, I believe. At any rate, it's up to the individual to figure out what their priorities are. I think the hanging community frowns upon heavy girth work while hanging just due to the fact that it's going to cause attachment point problems, since hanging itself is such a harmful practice. Adding in pumping is just going to complicate things. Kingsnake had to switch to a vac hanger for that reason.
I think a good routine to follow if you aren't die-hard about having to gain the most amount in the quickest time would be 1 set/day at a weight that causes fatigue and pumping + jelqing every (other) day or so.
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Just popped on to see whats up. Clicked this and remembered this discussion as being very useful.
I'm doing just that; I laid off of stretching for about three months. Now I am onto the heavy stretching and no girth work. Plan to use sock stretches for maximum effect.
The diagram really points to where you need to be careful in your grip. A side to side pressure point is better than along the top since all the nerves sit on top. You do not want to crush those nerves.
Good stuff here, thanks!
I'm doing just that; I laid off of stretching for about three months. Now I am onto the heavy stretching and no girth work. Plan to use sock stretches for maximum effect.
The diagram really points to where you need to be careful in your grip. A side to side pressure point is better than along the top since all the nerves sit on top. You do not want to crush those nerves.
Good stuff here, thanks!
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MikeShlort;576541 said:
Excuse my stupidity, I just don't quite understand the sentence outlined in red, can you clarify? What's with the hanging community, I am very uninformed. So you're concluding that hanging with girth work is ok, now? I haven't kept up with KSnake's log, and I'll have to rummage through it, unless you care to summarize.
Personally, I do the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words], followed by 90 minutes of hanging, then I do girth in the PM. I start with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] jelqs, however I usually end up jelqing for X amount of time. Subsequent to the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] girth exercises, I jump into the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98Â ]Bathmate[/words] for expressive stretching and twists which takes about 20 minutes (to be specific, I pump to max pressure and do 3 sets each of down, center, and up in the direction of left, center, and right). So, by then I'm pretty plump and jump right into 6 sets of 6 minutes in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98Â ]Bathmate[/words], this can take me upwards of 35 minute to complete with the addition of a few [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]'s and Erect Bends.
Just started reading your Log.
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Zambrodom3;576296 said:Even though I think this thread was very interesting- I see no reason people should follow what's written on these thread religiously. This community has been up for more than 10 years now and I've seen no thread where someone says he had his nerves damaged or whatsoever. I am not saying the information is inaccurate, but there are lots of stuff on these 2 threads (the Gangsta Urologist one) and this one that contradict what DLD has said and even some information in both thread is contradicted.
(I was just about to quote some of the info, but I saw the 1st post of the thread posted ny Neurostar has been deleted. If anyone has it copied- I'd love to have a copy of this read myself
"He told me the majority of stretching should be down in the down direction (all angles), but other directions such as straight out and straight up are important to do as well. He told me the more angles the better."- this is quoted from the 1st post of this thread. This is the 1st contradiction- the gangsta urologist says you must not stretch downward and this guy says it is the best angle (along with BTC) to stretch.
And I remember Mike saying that stretching with normal grip (the one most of us use- where you grip before the glans or an inch before it (varies for everyone)) and the gangsta urologist said that one should stretch at the base of the shaft (I don't remember it being like that 100%, but I remember reading it through the thread).
And how many of you have tried the fast mini jelqs he was talking about?
I don't know... but if you have a copy of the thread- please PM it to me or just paste it here
Tell me what you guys think, I think we can make a good discussion on it
I'm sorry zam didn't see this before. Yes I been doing the mini Jelqs they are great cause I never really liked the friction I got while going up the whole shaft anyway so that technique worked for me.
The Btc warning the gangsta urologist was the thing I was talking about that I forgot. I wonder why that is.
Mikes article made me want to focus on light length work now too that's the direction was leaning toward anyway.
I'm still going to edge and do the mini Jelqs on the side.
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Vevetir, I liked your picture of the penis structure. I looked into it and I don't think it is a ligament that is toughening. I read about it and I think it is a type of Peyronies. According to the medical community, Peyronies is fibrosis on the tunica that forms in cords and often on the top of the penis. So I think that is what happened to me. My suspensory ligament also has toughened up. So until I can get the fibrous tissue to go away along my tunica and suspensory ligament, length gains will be very slow.
Whether girth work increases the chances of this happening, I do not know, but I'm going to stay away from heavy girth work for awhile, at least until I can get rid of the fibrosis.
Whether girth work increases the chances of this happening, I do not know, but I'm going to stay away from heavy girth work for awhile, at least until I can get rid of the fibrosis.
My greatest gains came from manual stretching every other day and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] up to 8 hours a day. I remember like it was yesterday. I measured and I had gained a while inch, i shit you not. I got so excited that day that I put more intensity in my stretching and more tension on the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and "plateud".
Im doing very light stretching now only down and btc every other day followed by a wrap, well see where this takes me
Im doing very light stretching now only down and btc every other day followed by a wrap, well see where this takes me
Good point mike. My question is say if I used to hang a little and do the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98Â ]Bathmate[/words] and clamp. Would this inhibit ones growth in anyway when they begin light stretching and length?
What would be the solution or conclusion to this big subject?
What would be the solution or conclusion to this big subject?
Just ordered 250g of PABA from pure bulk and medical grade 70% DMSO solution in a glass bottle from Jacoblabs.
I'm also going to order tadalaphil from alldaychemist for my edging sessions. But I'm going to use a prepaid card for them but I used my visa with them before it was legit.
Does anyone have any pointers when using this stuff and how often. I remember reading kingsnakes thread with the pic on how to mix does anyone have a link?
I'm also going to do lots of kegels with this to max benefit.
I'm also going to order tadalaphil from alldaychemist for my edging sessions. But I'm going to use a prepaid card for them but I used my visa with them before it was legit.
Does anyone have any pointers when using this stuff and how often. I remember reading kingsnakes thread with the pic on how to mix does anyone have a link?
I'm also going to do lots of kegels with this to max benefit.
When I started using it, my plan was to use sterile cotton balls and gently dab it on. Nowadays I just wash my hands and penis, then pour about a tablespoon on the shaft and stroke/jelq it in. Then after 5-10 minutes I wash it off with water. I've never had the burning sensation that others have, so I dunno.truant;576721 said:
toucHydromaxyjunk;576723 said:
Interesting tmj that you were thinking the same thing. I agree with you statement because the guy over at the lab said you can pour the 70% right on the skin its the best they have.
Do I even need the paba powder or should I return it I spend $18 for a 250g bag. Should I just injest it with water or should I not even bother? Between all these topics going on I'm getting all the information and what to buy and what not to buy.
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I'll be honest I don't know whether it's the DMSO or the PABA doing the work, but I sure notice an improvement in pliability with just the 5 minute treatment in the morning. The biggest thing with DMSO is getting a proper container which won't melt or leech into it.truant;576725 said:
toucHydromaxyjunk;576727 said:
Good to hear tmj on the pliability. How do you take the PABA do you ingest it or mix it with DMSO?
The Glass jar is available on special request so if I don't even have to mix it with the PABA anyway theres no reason to go out and get separate glass jars if it's already in one since I'm just going to rub it on the skin right?