Hey guys.
I'm Mike Shlort.
I've been Penis Enlargementing since the end of September.
Today I went to see a specialist who actually is willing to help with penis enlargement, as opposed to physicians and urologists who will practically roll their eyes and tell you you're stupid when you tell them you want to enlarge your penis. This particular doctor has treated many men with non-surgical penis enlargement, and also does not belong to a large drug company.

I asked him some questions today and found out a lot of things. I feel it is my duty to share with all of you what I have learned.

Basically, there is a ligament running down the dorsal (top) of the penis. It runs in between the two corpora cavernosa. This ligament determines how long you erect penis will be. This is the main ligament that is to be targeted when stretching. In other words, this is the ligament you want to stretch.

By not going to seek professional help before starting Penis Enlargement, I made some very terrible mistakes which may have permanently plateaued my gains. Here are the mistakes I made so you don't make them as well:

1. The DLD [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] is too intense to start with.
This routine takes roughly 45min - 1 hour to complete. This is way too much to be starting with. You should start with a couple minutes a day of stretching and gradually, slowly work up - do more stretches and SLOWLY increase intensity over time. I made the mistake of pulling very hard from the beginning and did that for 4 months when I started stretching. Because of that, I may have caused fibrosis in my ligaments, which basically means they may be permanently too tough to gain anymore length. Start out with a fraction of the DLD [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] then gradually work you way up to the full routine - best if it's broken down throughout the day.

2. Don't start pumping or clamping until you have the length you want.
Pumping and clamping creates fibrosis of this dorsal ligament, making it thicker and less pronounced and hindering your length gains. Do your length work first, get to where you want to be length wise, then add the girth. Jelqing is okay to be doing while working length. You shouldn't be doing anything too intense girth wise until you are at the length you desire.

3. Hanging and stretching with weights should not be done until you have completely exhausted your gains from manuals.
When you start adding weights for stretching, the ligaments toughen up that much quicker. Then you need to drastically increase weight just to get into the gain zone. Once your ligaments have toughened up, chances of you being able to gain more length are very slim.
[words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extenders[/words] are okay to use after manuals but only at lowest tension. IRSPow mentioned something about this in one of his posts, along the lines of subjects being tested with [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] gained more during the first portion with lowest tension and less in the latter portion with higher tension. It is ideal to take off the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] every 1.5-2 hours for a bit. Also, he said the best type of [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] are ones that fit over the head (like the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]Penimaster Pro[/words]), as they are the least damaging to the penis.

He explained to me that the pigmentation in my penis (discoloration) is from excessive Penis Enlargementing (pumping in my case). He explained that they are iron deposits in the blood, and they are also internally in my penis throughout, not just on the surface. He explained that the iron blocks the cells from properly healing, cells carry a certain kind of energy to help replenish and the iron deposits block this energy. I'm not 100% sure of his scientific explanation, but basically he told me this is bad when you are trying to get length gains. It's okay to pump and such when working girth only, but it will plateau your length very quickly. He prescribed me a topical cream called Verapamil to be applied 3-4 times daily on the top and sides of the penis, mostly along the dorsal ligament. He said this will help reverse the fibrosis and soften up the ligament and also help with the discoloration.

On a side note, I went to a urologist a week before. He was utterly useless to me, but he did not happen to note the discoloration of my penis, but right away the doctor I saw today noticed the discoloration and knew what it was.

I asked him about wrapping ie [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]Uncle Jim[/words]'s Wrap. He said that wrapping tight is not a good idea and can cause the pigmentation/iron deposits. I'm going to purchase a divosuit to see how tight it fits but I will probably only be using the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PeniMaster Pro[/words] after manuals. I will not be using my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] until I am at my desired length.

I read in the book "Exercising the Penis" by Aarom Kemmer (alias Remek on these Penis Enlargement forums). It described "the gain zone" in the book. This is basically body "clues" tell you that you are in gaining zone. The clues are no pain when exercising, ability to have strong erections throughout day, and nightly/morning erections. I asked the doctor about all night wrapping/stretching and he explained that when your penis is healthy and you are basically in the gain zone (he did not use that phrase) you will have erections throughout the night, and those are enough to keep the size for gaining.

ANOTHER THING I DID WRONG: After girth work, I would tie off with a bathrobe cord to keep the pump. Same idea as a cock ring. This is bad for the dorsal ligament and limits ability to gain with length. So I will also be cutting that out altogether.

He agreed that it is best to stick to a routine that you are gaining on as long as you can.

He agreed that warm ups are important and warm downs can be beneficial. I also asked about "cool downs" and he suggested that they might help "lock" in gains from stretching, so long as you are manually pulling your penis out in a stretch as you cool it off.

He told me the majority of stretching should be down in the down direction (all angles), but other directions such as straight out and straight up are important to do as well. He told me the more angles the better.

He told me PC exercises are just as if not more important than the actual enlargement exercises because the ability to have strong erections and last during intercourse is as important as the size. I agree with him to a degree, but I think size is always important. He suggested that I do more PC exercises for EQ, which in turn will help gains, because I will be getting more erections throughout the day and night, harder ones that last longer, which is key for gaining.

L-lysine throughout the day on an empty stomach is a good idea.

This is pretty much all I can remember from the appointment.
I am basically going to start LIGHT stretching, maybe 5 minutes per session, a couple times a day and work my way up to doing the DLD [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] in it's entirety once or twice a day, or broken up. Extending after the length sessions with [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words] [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] (and will get [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]Penimaster Pro[/words] upgrade). [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is going on the shelf to collect dust. I will still be jelqing. I will start at 300 jelqs, add 5-10 per night, then if he advises, I will incorporate more advanced manual girth exercises into my nighttime girth routine. But right now I am concerned with length. WHen I was pumping, I got my penis to 7.5" erect girth (from 5.8") the morning after the workout. But these temporary gains are superficial and a lot of the gain is fluid between the skin and core of the penis.

I AM NOT SAYING PUMPING IS NOT GOOD. I STILL INTEND TO PUMP, CLAMP, AND TIE OFF MY Penis EnlargementNIS, BUT ONLY WHEN I HAVE DESIRED/PLATEAUED LENGTH. I have gotten good results from pumping. But what good is a short and fat penis?

I have writers block now. I'm sure more things will come to me in the future from what he taught me, but this is all I can recite at this point. If you have any questions, post them here or PM and I'll try my best to remember them or I'll write them down to ask the doctor next time I speak with him.

One last thing, check this out:
http://www.chempe.com/2010/04/injections.html?zx=c5c0dabbfb097f72
This guy is onto something. This is worth considering.
 
Thanks for the post, i do agree that pe should be jumped into too quickly i see too many guys asking about pumping & clamping way too early. You definitely should be conditioned first as for not pumping or clamping while working length, i would have to see more research on that.
 
Wow--this is very interesting and a very well written post. I would love to read more concerning any remedies for ligament fibrosis.

Thanks--
 
If this guy is right then.. DLD and most of the gainers with pic proof + progress logs on this site are all liars. Not buying it.

JMHO
 
The Verapamil sounds like a cream id like to give a try and see if I didnt do the same thing developing fibrosis throughout my manhood!
 
mrallensays;484209 said:
If this guy is right then.. DLD and most of the gainers with pic proof + progress logs on this site are all liars. Not buying it.

JMHO

That's cool, I'm just relaying the info the doctor told me, not here to argue. Just hope to help someone prevent making the same mistakes I did.
 
MikeShlort;484217 said:
That's cool, I'm just relaying the info the doctor told me, not here to argue. Just hope to help someone prevent making the same mistakes I did.

No, man.. not here to argue either. I am just challenging what he said by reading the "gainers" progress logs on many forums.

Yes there's a beginners routine, now. But, back in the day with say, Tom Hubbard; through the years, starting that light (5 minute stretches) and working your way up doesn't fit. Not with the major gainers.

The major gainers seemed to put a lot of hard work into their routines quite steadily, and gained pretty good
 
mrallensays;484219 said:
DLD has said that he worked on length and girth at the same time. Seemed to work or he is lying. Ya know?

DLD also didn't start pumping until he started using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] many years into his Penis Enlargement career.
Also, what worked for DLD isn't necessarily going to work for MikeShlort.
More often than not I read posts about "I"m not gaining".
I bothered to search out a doctor who specializes in Penis Enlargement and then post my findings to try and help out guys like me who put 1.5+ hours per day into Penis Enlargement and have minimal results.
May I take a look at your progress log? I like to learn as much as I can from people to try and figure out the big picture.
 
MikeShlort;484220 said:
DLD also didn't start pumping until he started using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] many years into his Penis Enlargement career.
Also, what worked for DLD isn't necessarily going to work for MikeShlort.
More often than not I read posts about "I"m not gaining".
I bothered to search out a doctor who specializes in Penis Enlargement and then post my findings to try and help out guys like me who put 1.5+ hours per day into Penis Enlargement and have minimal results.
May I take a look at your progress log? I like to learn as much as I can from people to try and figure out the big picture.

Pumping? I don't believe that has much effect on anything. Now, maybe the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] has a different system, but, the old pumps just created fluid buildup. That was technically the only stress they put on the penis was pulling in fluid. That's why pumpers of many years (there was one specific pumping forum that was really popular but I don't remember it) haven't gained anything but temporary. It was more of a novelty.

I don't pump, neither did DLD. DLD did a mix of length and girth exercises and if you read his older posts.. he has OCD so he most likely squeezed and pulled more than the average guy.

Okay so, DLD isn't the end-all, be-all guy for who can gain and how. What works for him might not work for you. True, but; his course has made more "bigger dicks" than anyone I know. That works for me as a true successor that went beyond the standard training.

Now as far as thenot gaining threads... I know I am one of them. But I admitted I wasn't 100% dedicated for a long time, more random. I happen to believe that the majority of those threads are just like me. It's the same in the make money online industry forums. Don't put up the work, the results aren't going to be what you wanted. I bet, most guys that create those threads aren't putting more than a few weeks worth of effort into their routines, then they get pissed and come in here looking for the "magic pill".

I am being judgmental on your post because... that's how a science evolves. Debate is a "good" thing.

Keep bringing your tips, we all need it. Although your guy isn't the authority of all Penis Enlargement, he obviously has tips that have worked. In order to make a stronger community and progress, we all need to be on our toes if we are in this for the long run.

Thanks for posting.

P.S. I don't have a progress log. I read many other logs. I see a similar kind of dedication they share with "taking it to another level" over the average logs.
 
I am being judgmental on your post because... that's how a science evolves. Debate is a "good" thing.

Keep bringing your tips, we all need it. Although your guy isn't the authority of all Penis Enlargement, he obviously has tips that have worked. In order to make a stronger community and progress, we all need to be on our toes if we are in this for the long run.

Thanks for posting.

P.S. I don't have a progress log. I read many other logs. I see a similar kind of dedication they share with "taking it to another level" over the average logs.[/QUOTE]



Hey all--before this gets out of hand--keep this a debate about the ISSUE--lets not get to attacking each other.

I am interested in this info as much as anyone--maybe it can be used somehow to encourage new or stalled gains.
 
You didn't read my post right, there's no attacking. But "too many theories", and we are all going to be like chickens with our heads cut off, running around and not gaining.

Information Overload

To be honest, there's not enough life for all of these theories. But all of these theory threads need to be tested so that it can prove, results for us guys in the long run.
 
Very gradually introducing the body to Penis Enlargement.
Not working girth until length has peaked.
Over training leads to toughened ligaments.

These aren't new ideas. I just placed them all in a thread because a doctor told me them today and I figured I'd try and help anyone who is having similar issues as I am. This thread isn't about work ethic or doctor Vs. Forum. The work ethic is implied.

I think my idea to gradually work up to the full DLD [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] has been confused as an attack and criticism on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. If you read, I said I'm continuing with that routine, just gradually building up.

I guess I'll make it easy. I'll be the guinea pig to test these "theories". Let;s just hope I haven't damaged my ability to gain length too much by being so gung ho about it during the first 4 months of Penis Enlargement when I was less informed.
 
Do that. It's obvious no one should do the DLD routines at first. That would imply that one could jump into a body builders routine right off the bat.

As far as damaging your abilities to gain, that's what I am talking about here. I don't believe that for a second. If that was true, evolution is bunk. The body can evolve under stress,
 
And when I say not working girth... I mean really Working that girth.. clamping, pumping, tieing off... Redzulu style. When I first started here I asked him how he got so big and he told me that focusing on one aspect of Penis Enlargement is the key... whether it be length or girth. I also asked goinfor11x7 about length and he told me that the harder you work length, the less EQ you'll have, it's sort of a trade off. And I've read many times people suggesting that you get the length then work the girth, as it is easier to stretch with a thinner penis, you lose your EQ with heavy length work.
I also said I'll still be jelqing and I'll be looking into more advanced girth exercises after I get to a point of 1000 jelqs a night. (didn't use that specific figure, but that's the figure I choose. I imagine about three weeks in from now). Pumping and clamping is out for me though for now.

I think there was probably just a confusion. Text is so misleading. I'd be nothing without these forums. I'm just trying to bring everything I learn to the table for others because it is my intent to get a penis that can pleasure the baddest of bitches.
 
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mrallensays;484227 said:
Do that. It's obvious no one should do the DLD routines at first. That would imply that one could jump into a body builders routine right off the bat.

As far as damaging your abilities to gain, that's what I am talking about here. I don't believe that for a second. If that was true, evolution is bunk. The body can evolve under stress,

I really hope you're right man, for my sake, but by you dismissing it like that on a whim with no facts to back it up really hurts the process and can lead to screwing someone else over.
 
I am not dismissing it, not at all. If anything, these newbie routines aren't new. I am going by progress routines of many forums, the BIG gainers. If they had all followed what you said above, it would make sense that it is "the standard."

They didn't.

Where is the fine line? I'd like to know. But as I see it, so many people are coming in with new routines that work anymore, it's hard for newbies to try them all out.

Be the guinea pig on this one, don't try to be the hero. My gains and yours depends on what works by numbers.
 
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mrallensays;484231 said:
I am not dismissing it, not at all. If anything, these newbie routines aren't new. I am going by progress routines of many forums, the BIG gainers. If they had all followed what you said above, it would make sense that it is "the standard."

They didn't.

Where is the fine line? I'd like to know. But as I see it, so many people are coming in with new routines that work anymore, it's hard for newbies to try them all out.

Be the guinea pig on this one, don't try to be the hero. My gains and yours depends on what works by numbers.

This isn't a routine. It's more like my recollection of a Q and A with a doctor, the questions being ones I came up with by frequenting Penis Enlargement forums and researching Penis Enlargement. And I imagine the big gainers used a lot of these theories.
I'm not trying to be any hero.
To be perfectly honest, I don't give two shits if anyone else gains, and in fact, I'd rather they didn't so all the pussy in the world is for me!!!!
I'm kidding, I do care about these people because they have been so helpful to me and I know they will continue to be, so I just wanted to return the favor by taking the time concisely document my findings. And I might add that it took me quite a lot of digging to come across a professional who will actually help a man with Penis Enlargement, not to mention it cost me a pretty penny to talk to him!

I understand that you prefer to listen to the gainer's logs than to these ideas, and that's cool, I intend to listen to the gainer's logs too!
And don't worry man, I'm not trying to diss [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] or the forums. Once Penis Enlargement is practiced in conventional medicine 20 years from now, it will be these forums we have to thank!

Does anyone else have any questions/comments/insights?
 
Get your ass in gear and test these theories. Keep in touch though, so we can know how it's working. There are so many theories on this forum it makes the mind spin.

Btw... doctors don't know shit about Penis Enlargement. They only know theories, too. They feel that, only knowing the biological makeup of how the body works (thus far) is how it works. Even in the medical field, Penis Enlargement is anecdotal. Otherwise, your doctor would own the world when it comes to guys.

You be the guy that proves what he says is true. Don't leave us out!
 
Well Mike,I happen to be approximately in your situation,being overzelous,4 months i did the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] everyday,sometimes even twice a day and gained nothing.Also clamping some 60 min 4 days a week.I've taken a break from exercises for a month,nothing lost in length,a little in girth because i've sustained an injury.
Since monday i've restarted routine and just came across your thread.I'm very interested in your approach from now on.Please send me a PM.

P.S.-Let's be positive,I'm sure that you are still capable to gain tons of lenght..;)
 
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Yea, I agree most Penis Enlargement evidence and information is empirical, and we have to trust what others claim in a relatively anonymous way, through the internet. There will be skepticism no matter what, and I think the important aspect of this thread is don't do too much too soon. It's like the bodybuilding reference, or anything else in life, you don't go into the gym and start a Ronnie Coleman workout your first day, or try and run a NY Marathon. I believe the same sense should be taken with Penis Enlargement, and especially because it's one of the most delicate and prized biological parts of the male anatomy.

Honestly, I have seen multiple threads about dense ligaments that have developed, and guys reaching a "sticking point", or regardless of strength and tension, not being able to "stretch" anymore. I've seen threads where they claim their ligament is akin to trying to stretch steel. So yes, I believe in muscular and ligament fibrosis, and why is not such possible through a too intense Penis Enlargement program?

A lot of ideals and routines on these forums that seem to have a lot of potential are such routines as the Total Workout, where there are multiple and very intense exercises being done all at once... DLD warns people not to work past fatigue, and he's also been an advocator for working a routine until you can't possibly gain from it anymore and require a heavier volume, or different approach to your workouts.

Arguing over "Start slow, or else..." vs "No way, DLD was OCD and tugged his cock to no end..." is all rubbish and ignorance.

Thanks for posting OP, this is very enlightening, as I've not heard such claims or an "interview" persay from an actual MD. Good insight. Also, I'm going to be testing out that cream, and I'd love to hear your results in the future by using it, for both aesthetic purposes as well as progress in Penis Enlargement.
 
MikeShlort;484204 said:
One last thing, check this out:
http://www.chempe.com/2010/04/injections.html?zx=c5c0dabbfb097f72
This guy is onto something. This is worth considering.

Funny, now I know why black people have larger dicks inherently.

The most important part that prevents many guys from chempe it the fact that loose pants and preferably no underwear be worn; tight, constrictive pants and underwear actually are squishing the penis into a small package, and counteract all enlargement efforts. Reality check: if you can't change your pants to looser ones, or can't ditch your briefs, don't expect your dick to change for the better. Basically the penis must hang down on its own weight at all times, unsupported. Gravity allows blood to pool lower in the hanging penis, which increases the penile weight, which in turn increases gravity... you get the idea. The penis is mostly blood, and when flaccid only gravity keeps blood in the shaft. Any support in a pointing up position allows gravity to drain the penis of blood, resulting in a minimum penis size. Avoid supporting the penis at all times.

Think about all the history! Tribes wearing little to no clothing, and now the ghetto baggy pants around the knees look. Man they are on to something.
 
sizerp;484244 said:
Funny, now I know why black people have larger dicks inherently.

The most important part that prevents many guys from chempe it the fact that loose pants and preferably no underwear be worn; tight, constrictive pants and underwear actually are squishing the penis into a small package, and counteract all enlargement efforts. Reality check: if you can't change your pants to looser ones, or can't ditch your briefs, don't expect your dick to change for the better. Basically the penis must hang down on its own weight at all times, unsupported. Gravity allows blood to pool lower in the hanging penis, which increases the penile weight, which in turn increases gravity... you get the idea. The penis is mostly blood, and when flaccid only gravity keeps blood in the shaft. Any support in a pointing up position allows gravity to drain the penis of blood, resulting in a minimum penis size. Avoid supporting the penis at all times.

Think about all the history! Tribes wearing little to no clothing, and now the ghetto baggy pants around the knees look. Man they are on to something.

That's right man, like Method Man said "baggy Dungarees, dick need room the breath."
I ditched underwear 7 months ago after reading DLD's [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] theory and haven't looked back.
Hopefully the Verapamil will help me get some length gains, I will for sure be letting you guys know. I think you'd need a prescription for it, unless you can find it somewhere or know a doctor. Or you could go to a urologist and tell them you have Peyronie's disease (curve in penis) when it's erect and you read that Verapamil is used to treat it. http://www.docguide.com/topical-verapamil-appears-effective-peyronies-disease
 
MikeShlort;484271 said:
I ditched underwear 7 months ago after reading DLD's [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] theory and haven't looked back.[/url]

:) [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] Rocks!
 
sir wankalot;485227 said:
Dickleaker, do you use that, and if yes how often?

I emailed them to figure out the concentrations of their ingredients, but haven't heard back yet.


Has anyone purchased from them?
 
So if this Verapamil cream and DMSO gel breaks up scar tissue and or softens ligaments, does that also end your plateau without having to do more intense work just to gain or does it do a bit less? How much potential is there with that kind of stuff?
 
Thanks for posting this thread, its a real eye opener and gives a very useful approach on how to implement Penis Enlargement. I'm new to the whole Penis Enlargement scene so am just trying to soak in as much information as possible.

One thing I would like to ask you about is the l-lysine... What benefits are meant to come from taking this in regards to penis enlargement??

Thanks once again and good luck with your future gains
 
Fonic and I are both trying this gel based on that exact reasoning!!

I am almost 2 years in with Penis Enlargement and Fonic 3 years.I don't know what the internal signs are of scar tissue but if i have developed any this will break it down and in theory speed up my gains to near beginner levels again.

Combined with vitamin E cream it also acts as a turbo booster to deliver alot more of it to the cells because of its properties.

Will keep you guys posted on this!

neckercube;485236 said:
So if this Verapamil cream and DMSO gel breaks up scar tissue and or softens ligaments, does that also end your plateau without having to do more intense work just to gain or does it do a bit less? How much potential is there with that kind of stuff?
 
Dickleaker;485242 said:
Fonic and I are both trying this gel based on that exact reasoning!!

I am almost 2 years in with Penis Enlargement and Fonic 3 years.I don't know what the internal signs are of scar tissue but if i have developed any this will break it down and in theory speed up my gains to near beginner levels again.

Combined with vitamin E cream it also acts as a turbo booster to deliver alot more of it to the cells because of its properties.

Will keep you guys posted on this!

Was going to include that hyaluronic acid might be worth mentioning as well.


Does the bottle state the ingredient concentrations list or does it just list DMSO/PABA/MSM/ETC? Are there any base ingredients/preservatives included?
 
neckercube;485236 said:
So if this Verapamil cream and DMSO gel breaks up scar tissue and or softens ligaments, does that also end your plateau without having to do more intense work just to gain or does it do a bit less? How much potential is there with that kind of stuff?

I have no idea. I have 9 weeks worth of Verapamil, 8 weeks left. I'll let you guys know how it went once I'm done the prescription and have been to the doctor again. My routine is a 15 min version of DLD newbie stretching then using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] for 2 hours after the stretch. I'm gradually building up time in [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and will eventually get to a second set of 15 min later on in the day. Right now when I do too much extending and too many sets, I can't get an erection, which means I'm not in the "gain zone" to quote Remek's book (Exercising the Penis). I also do jelqs at night, started at 300, add 10 each day. I avoid edging and masturbation because it just doesn't have good effects for me, makes my penis shorter, tighter and weaker, thinner.
I intend to get into more advanced stuff as time goes on

In somewhat of a response to your question, I'm avoiding more intense work for that very reason. I want to gain with the least amount of work possible so I can maximize total gains. I want a large winkle.
 
smerc;485248 said:
Was going to include that hyaluronic acid might be worth mentioning as well.


Does the bottle state the ingredient concentrations list or does it just list DMSO/PABA/MSM/ETC? Are there any base ingredients/preservatives included?

I saw a video of hydrolauric acid. It's basically a cosmetic procedure that has to be done every few months. It's injected into the penis and expands it but it is not permanent. I'm not a doctor but search for a video or explanation of it. I imagine it's something I'd avoid
 
rustyglobes;485240 said:
Thanks for posting this thread, its a real eye opener and gives a very useful approach on how to implement Penis Enlargement. I'm new to the whole Penis Enlargement scene so am just trying to soak in as much information as possible.

One thing I would like to ask you about is the l-lysine... What benefits are meant to come from taking this in regards to penis enlargement??

Thanks once again and good luck with your future gains

Again, I'm not a doctor but from my understanding, collagen is what is in tissue and ligaments, which the penis is mostly composed of. L-lysine helps build collagen, and helps repair tissue, among other things. The body does not produce l-lysine, some people may get enough in their diet but I take it as a supplement as well. I asked the doctor about it, said I take it after jelqing before bed and he said that's fine, I could also take it throughout the day between meals.
Here's some info.
http://naturalfactors.com/ca/en/products/detail/4396/l-lysine
 
MikeShlort;485253 said:
I saw a video of hydrolauric acid. It's basically a cosmetic procedure that has to be done every few months. It's injected into the penis and expands it but it is not permanent. I'm not a doctor but search for a video or explanation of it. I imagine it's something I'd avoid

Yeah, there are quite a few studies done on it in regards to injections as well as hyaluronidase to reverse peyronie's(which might even suggest hyaluronic supplements/topicals may be detrimental to Penis Enlargement).

I was referring to it as merely something to add with DMSO(topically), but not for any plumping/filling properties it may have. We produce our own since it's found in nearly every aspect of our body, skin/collagen/ligs/tissue/bone/cartilage/etc. I mega-dose vitamin c somewhat, which degrades HA. I'm still looking into it, but was just curious if others have done their research on it.
 
Useful stuff indeed. For me at least it makes perfect sense, and also confirms some of the ideas behind the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] routine (starting slow, go progressive, trying to keep expanded, not restricted).

When I started Penis Enlargement 2 years ago, I was happy with my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] results (jelq+stretch). After 6 months I had gained almost half a inch lengthwise and girthwise. So I've decided to buy a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and went commando pumping exclusively with it, dropped jelqing, stretching (very bad decision), added clamping. Unfortunately, 6 months later, I had gained nothing lengthwise, and very very little girthwise. It seemed like I had focused so much on girth that eventually it stopped my length gains somehow.

We also often forget, that most of the big gainers here, back in their days, got their first successes (gains of 2 inches), with very standard and classic methods, but making sure, they used also a wrap, or an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], and were consistently stretching/jelqing throughout the day (several times a day, everyday for most). I guess most of us make the mistake to jump onto hardcore routines, created by hardcore Penis Enlargementrs, who basically invented them because they needed them after they achieved all the gains they could with standard exercises.

So, now, I've decided to focus on length, until I'll reach my mid-term goal of 8,5" (I'm 7,5" BPenis EnlargementL), or maybe even 9" if I can do it. I'll keep on Jelqing for general penile health and after my length session, but that'll be it.

Thanks for sharing, wishing you the best gains in your Penis Enlargement quest
 
Captain.Thick;485533 said:
Useful stuff indeed. For me at least it makes perfect sense, and also confirms some of the ideas behind the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] routine (starting slow, go progressive, trying to keep expanded, not restricted).

When I started Penis Enlargement 2 years ago, I was happy with my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] results (jelq+stretch). After 6 months I had gained almost half a inch lengthwise and girthwise. So I've decided to buy a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] and went commando pumping exclusively with it, dropped jelqing, stretching (very bad decision), added clamping. Unfortunately, 6 months later, I had gained nothing lengthwise, and very very little girthwise. It seemed like I had focused so much on girth that eventually it stopped my length gains somehow.

We also often forget, that most of the big gainers here, back in their days, got their first successes (gains of 2 inches), with very standard and classic methods, but making sure, they used also a wrap, or an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], and were consistently stretching/jelqing throughout the day (several times a day, everyday for most). I guess most of us make the mistake to jump onto hardcore routines, created by hardcore Penis Enlargementrs, who basically invented them because they needed them after they achieved all the gains they could with standard exercises.

So, now, I've decided to focus on length, until I'll reach my mid-term goal of 8,5" (I'm 7,5" BPenis EnlargementL), or maybe even 9" if I can do it. I'll keep on Jelqing for general penile health and after my length session, but that'll be it.

Thanks for sharing, wishing you the best gains in your Penis Enlargement quest

Thanks. You said it best. King Cobra summed it up for me - he basically did a basic manual routine throughout the day and often to get his gains, which were over 1.5 inches I think. I'm beginning to see how working my way up to the "gain 1 inch in 12 weeks" routine is ideal for length. Gotta pretty much be constantly stretching the winkle all day, unless of course it gets into the over training zone. There's a fine line between too much and not enough.
 
Him saying [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ACE[/words] wrapping brings up a question i was going to make a thread about...has anyone actually gained more after wrapping all day? I did it for a bit and all it changed was my flaccid size
 
I have to say I completely disagree with the first statement about the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] being to intense!
I gained tremendously from it and had absolutely no issues what so ever when I came to pain, damage, recovery!
what may be to much for some maybe to little for others, and the simple fact that men have been making incredible and quick gains using the newb routine dld created since way back to 03/04, says that it does what its expected to!
 
Hello everyone, new to the site and Penis Enlargement in general.

My two cents about what the doc said. When plastic surgeons were trying to develop a surgery to enlarge the penis they noticed that there was a substantial amount of tissue that remained in the body. The obvious technique to enlarge the penis (lengthen at least) would be to get the tissue that is on the inside of the body, outside the body. This was performed by bisecting the suspensory ligament. I believe that the doc that gave that advice was making the assumption that growth occurred because the suspensory ligament was being stretched, and only because the suspensory ligament was being stretched. This is most likely not the case. Though the initial quick gains that you get are likely due to the stretching of the ligament, the slower gains that take place do so because under constant [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] (external force), this force in "sensed" by the cells which initiates growth in a slow, but natural way. This growth occurs because the cells are attempting to decrease the internal forces they are "feeling" due to the external force. So, it is true growth (hyperplasia) as opposed to just stretching.

Examples of this can be seen when tissue expanders are used to grow more skin for people who have had burns, or women that are getting breast implants. There are even some surgeons in China who have drilled into women's tibia and fibula with screws that are then attached to external tension rods. Everyday the tension rod is lengthened by turning a screw one thread. This constant tension causes both bones that make up the shin to grow along the line of tension and the women eventually get taller (I understand it is not comfortable!). (By the way...the tribe of women that have the "long necks" by using the rings is not an example of this. Their neck does not actually grow, what they are doing is crushing their rib cage so it "appears" longer).
 
I wrote this awhile ago. I've figured out Penis Enlargement is as simple as the following:

1. Manual stretch until it's not doing anything anymore.
2. Hang BTC
3. Cement length
4. Pump and girth work while cementing

If you have lots of lig potential, you could probably get away with pumping and hanging. Everyone is different but those 4 steps will generally work for anyone. Just gotta figure out the technical aspects of each.

PS. PGE1 is probably effective as a means to stay plumped after a pump session. Same idea as keeping in an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] etc. Penis at largest state for longest amount of time = good.
 
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