Enlargement through Frequent Erections

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I have read a ton of studies on Priapism (prolonged erections) I started to think about self imposed erections for a long amount of time. Perhaps taking viagra and keeping stimulation going for a few hours. Maybe even a clamp to hold the erection longer would be in order. There just seems to be a massive correlation between Priapism and penis size, particularly in Black males who have this problem due to sickle cell disease.

Priapism Background
Priapism is a potentially serious problem for young men with sickle cell disease. The condition is believed to result from impaired blood egress from the corpus spongiosum of the penis, leading to prolonged erections (Fowler Jr et al., 1991). The affliction often occurs in association with spontaneous nocturnal erections. Episodes of priapism can last from several hours to several days. One group of investigators reported a ninety percent actuarial probability of at least one episode of priapism by age twenty-one years (Mantadakis, et al., 1999).
Stuttering priapism is common. Here, the (typically) young man develops erections lasting one to two hours, initially, that resolve spontaneously. The condition then progresses to a point where the erections are quite prolonged and painful. Priapism lasting more than three or four hours is a medical emergency since it can produce impotence (Mykulak and Glassberg, 1990) (Emond et al., 1980).

I am not saying go out and get a disease or even be obsessive in your pursuit to mimic this disorder. I do think there is a lot of potential here for exploration. I would like to try this for 3 hours a day, every day for a set amount of time. I will also include exercise while in this state. I realize it will take a lot of mental concentration and maybe even a boost of medicine but the implications could be huge.

I will try to put together a routine and game plan on seeing if this is a fruitful form of pe. According to many of the studies on Priapism the main side effect, other than serious medical complications when this state of Priapism is too long (more than 4 hours) is a enlarged phallus. With exercise included and if I am able to stay erect for a long period we may see some breakthroughs in size, perhaps very quick ones.

With anything there needs to be a testing period and see if this is even possible. It would be a serious mental game but it may be worth it.

Just some thoughts, I usually post these on the BLOG but I wanted to get some feedback from the forum.
 
what is an enlarged phallus that results?

and i had an erection last almost 2 hours last night when i was laying in bed, like an hour after masterbation. I couldn't sleep cause i had takin some aspirin and the caffiene in it kept me up and maybe did something with the erection cause my tolerance to caffiene is low. it just wouldn't go away so i beat off again of course and it still wouldn't go away, it did start to hurt, it was odd. I started to use a piece of ice for 10 min to get it down. But when it did go away my flacid was huge and still was today. Weird.
 
DLD,

I think it's very possible that enlargement can happen through frequent erections. IMO, it really depends on how conditioned the penis is. A lightly conditioned penis would obtain a lot more exercise through lots of erections, while a highly condition penis (such as yours), probably wouldn't get a lot of exercise out of 100 erections a day!

I look at it like this:
A 3 mile run for me or you might be killer exercise, but it's kiddy stuff for the boys of Kenya.

With that said, I believe anything that exercises the smooth muscle in the penis is exercise, and erections are the most elementary ways to do this. This is how I think ballooning works.
 
doublelongdaddy said:
WOW, that was a read, excellent stuff, thanks sikdogg! We need to keep this alive and see what we can find.
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I actually have just about everything i need to start my chemical Penis Enlargement routine... it's amazing how an erection lasting several hours even without any manual pe exercizes makes your dick feel like it just went thru a super intense girth workout. It even feel sore after...
 
remek said:
DLD,

I think it's very possible that enlargement can happen through frequent erections. IMO, it really depends on how conditioned the penis is. A lightly conditioned penis would obtain a lot more exercise through lots of erections, while a highly condition penis (such as yours), probably wouldn't get a lot of exercise out of 100 erections a day!

I look at it like this:
A 3 mile run for me or you might be killer exercise, but it's kiddy stuff for the boys of Kenya.

With that said, I believe anything that exercises the smooth muscle in the penis is exercise, and erections are the most elementary ways to do this. This is how I think ballooning works.
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Enlargement occurring from frequent erections is due to the cumalative time the penis was erect and not from the number of times it was erect. Regardless of how conditioned one's penis is... a 3-4 hour erection will thoroughly work and exhaust/fatigue the tunica causing expansion. This is how magalophallus occurs from priapism. What's interesting about this is that the tunica is actually expanded in all direction so not only does the penis get thicker, but it gets longer as well...
 
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sikdogg said:
Enlargement occurring from frequent erections is due to the cumalative time the penis was erect and not from the number of times it was erect. Regardless of how conditioned one's penis is... a 3-4 hour erection will thoroughly work and exhaust and fatigue the tunica causing expansion. This is how magalophallus occurs from priapism. What's interesting about this is that the tunica is actually expanded in all direction so not only does the penis get thicker, but it gets longer as well...
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Just blew tonights chance:s Damn BangBros!
 
sikdogg said:
Enlargement occurring from frequent erections is due to the cumalative time the penis was erect and not from the number of times it was erect. Regardless of how conditioned one's penis is... a 3-4 hour erection will thoroughly work and exhaust/fatigue the tunica causing expansion.
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I'm sorrry for the confusion. I didn't mean to mark a difference between number of erections and total erection time. Either way, both can surely bring about a type of exercise.

But to say that a conditioned penis (such as DLD's or Bib's) will experience the same workout as a non conditioned penis (such as a newbies) through prolonged erections doesn't hold any logic. I'm thinking about this on the tissue level. Penis enlargement, IMO, is a variable process that takes into account many factors (such as enlarging the smooth muscle within the CC's, and then the tunica).

The penis undergoes exercise during erection. This exercise is similar to pumping iron. What I'm trying to say is that a man that works out all the time (i.e. Ronny Coleman) will have a hell of a hard time getting the same "work out" that I do from using a lot less weight. Why? His muscles are conditioned over years of vigerous exercising, while mine aren't. He is a body builder; I'm not. Accordingly, the tissues in our penises are probably much more conditioned than a newbies.

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This is how magalophallus occurs from priapism. What's interesting about this is that the tunica is actually expanded in all direction so not only does the penis get thicker, but it gets longer as well...
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Very true :) The penis does expand in all directions. As DLD notes on his main page: This expansion happens everytime we get an erection.

From what I read, they really don't know how a megalophallus occurs, they have theories, but these guesses are no better than mine, or yours.
 
Bro if you've ever experienced what a 4-hour erection feels like then you would know what i'm talking about... I've been into Penis Enlargement for years now and the feling i got after a 4-hour erection is on par with the most intense workout i've ever had. If you've ever read some of my past threads on my routines, they aren't newbie workouts. I speak from experience...

Fact is that the tissues in the CC are very expandable and are capable of expanding way beyond what you normally see, it is the tunica that contains and limits the CC's ability to expand. Our Penis Enlargement routines force the tunica to expand beyond what it is normally capable of... that is how we experience 99% of our girth gains. This is true regardless of how conditioned one's penis is...

We may not know the exact mechanisms of how megalophallus occurs, but we can see what actions cause it and can even reproduce it. In fact, we as a community prove it everyday by making gains in girth by forcing our penis' to expand beyond what it once did. Priapism just takes what we do to an extreme. That is more than just theory... and to be honest, the exact mechanism is irrevelent as long as we can reproduce it.
 
I think this is the way to go!I already do something of sorts, but on a low scale!I tend to do my major stretching/girth work before bed, then I pop a couple natural herbal aphrodisiacs before sleep.I have very intense erections throughout the night now!A few times they were a little painful!I have already experienced some gains from them(roughly 1/2 of an inch in length).As for my Penis Enlargement exercises, they have been scaled down some what, so I can truthfully say that the gains most likely came from more frequent erections during sleep.Also I stayed away from herbs that cause insomnia(yohimbe,ginkgo etc.,)
 
skirmish said:
Prolonged engorgement can result in cell death. I wouldn't recommend it :|
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Tissue death, according to the studies I have read, starts to set in at around 8 hours. With 3-4 hour cycles, if you really want to spend that much time, would not be dangerous as long as you gave yourself a break between sets.
 
So basically getting an erection, clamping it and maintaining it for a minimum period of 4 hours is the main point of view of priaprism ?? ?:(

Sounds pretty kewl, yet very very hardcore. hopefully give it a try after 4 years in the P.E business rofl
 
kolimuddin said:
So basically getting an erection, clamping it and maintaining it for a minimum period of 4 hours is the main point of view of priaprism ?? ?:(
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It's not that easy... there are two types of priapism, ischemic and non-ischemic. Ischemic priapism is the more common form and can/will cause tissue death (ischemia) amoung other things due to lack of blood flow. Non-ischemic is the type that Sickle-cell Anemia produces. Because there is constant bloodflow to the penile tissue, so there is no tissue death. The Penis Enlargement Patent document advocates extended erections lasting up to 4 hours but to be safe, they suggest that you keep erection levels below 90% to ensure sufficient blood flow.

Clamping for extened periods of time can be very dangerous because you are cutting off all blood flow. You are in effect creating an ischemic priapism. That is not what you want. To Red's credit, clamping exposed us to extended erections which creates the environment for making great gains. It just has to be tempered to minimize ischemia.
 
dogsdoodahs said:
Sikdogg when do you plan on starting a routine?

Are you going to use anything else besides trimix and potaba?
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I had alot of trouble getting DHT gel so i just bought some DHT powder and will make my own transdermal. I planned on starting this week but i'm on-call at work so it will have to wait 'til next week.
 
Trimix is a mixture of two vasodilators and a prostaglandin. I can tell you, increasing arachidonic acid consumption (egg yolk and red meat, especially) will dramatically boost natural levels of prostaglandin E-1. Since eating a dozen eggs and a pound of steak daily, I get erections randomly, frequently, harder, and they get to 100% much faster than normal. This might be an option you'd want to consider over a penis injection of trimix. If a dozen eggs and a pound of steak don't sound appealing to you, maybe just pop a V? I'm not saying trimix is a bad idea, just offering a less invasive option for you, but if you are willing to be a guinea pig, then that's awesome, let us know how it turns out.

Potaba is just a potassium salt of para-aminobenzoic acid...yep, simple PABA that many multi-vitamins and all B-Complex tablets contain. Drug companies make salts out of natural compounds so that they can patent them, even if they offer no different effects...just FYI. Not only that, but unless you have peyronies or are very concerned about developing scar tissues, why would you add this to your chemical repertoire? PABA is inti-inflammatory, which will counter a good amount of the prostaglandin E-1's effects. If you want to add Potaba to your regimine, may I suggest Bi-mix instead of trimix(same as tri-mix without the PG E-1)? The PG E-1 and the Potaba have conflicting actions...

I have heard stories of men gaining from DHT cream without even doing penis exercises, and I have also heard stories that some men gained nothing off of DHT cream, even with exercises. Most articles about DHT claim that it is the androgen responsible for penis growth, however more recent findings show that it is testosterone that is responsible for penis growth, and DHT is only responsible for penis growth in the fetus.

Personally, I think it's all wrong, and from what I've read and put together, IGF-1 is the major penis growth hormone. The reason high testosterone or DHT levels can trigger penis growth is because testosterone and/or DHT are needed to synthesize IGF-1 in the liver, along with growth hormone, insulin, thyroxine, small amounts of estrogen, and other growth factors.

One thing that IS certain though, is that DHT cream WILL worsen an existing prostate enlargement, and can potentially cause problems even if you are 100% fine before use. This warning isn't one of those ass-covering warning thrown in by drug companies, it is a VERY common occurance that prostate enlargement and cancer are caused by high levels of DHT. I'm not discouraging you throwning DHT in the mix, but I am just saying I wouldn't be the guinea pig unless it promised big gains.
 
To your credit, I didn't even realize that the injections alone might cause scar tissue, and that might be a reason to include Potaba. A side note, nitroglycerol liquid is a topical erection aid that works different than viagra and isn't injected. See Red's pics for more info on nitroglycerol.

I also forgot to wish you good luck!
 
goldmember said:
Trimix is a mixture of two vasodilators and a prostaglandin. I can tell you, increasing arachidonic acid consumption (egg yolk and red meat, especially) will dramatically boost natural levels of prostaglandin E-1. Since eating a dozen eggs and a pound of steak daily, I get erections randomly, frequently, harder, and they get to 100% much faster than normal. This might be an option you'd want to consider over a penis injection of trimix. If a dozen eggs and a pound of steak don't sound appealing to you, maybe just pop a V? I'm not saying trimix is a bad idea, just offering a less invasive option for you, but if you are willing to be a guinea pig, then that's awesome, let us know how it turns out.

Potaba is just a potassium salt of para-aminobenzoic acid...yep, simple PABA that many multi-vitamins and all B-Complex tablets contain. Drug companies make salts out of natural compounds so that they can patent them, even if they offer no different effects...just FYI. Not only that, but unless you have peyronies or are very concerned about developing scar tissues, why would you add this to your chemical repertoire? PABA is inti-inflammatory, which will counter a good amount of the prostaglandin E-1's effects. If you want to add Potaba to your regimine, may I suggest Bi-mix instead of trimix(same as tri-mix without the PG E-1)? The PG E-1 and the Potaba have conflicting actions...

I have heard stories of men gaining from DHT cream without even doing penis exercises, and I have also heard stories that some men gained nothing off of DHT cream, even with exercises. Most articles about DHT claim that it is the androgen responsible for penis growth, however more recent findings show that it is testosterone that is responsible for penis growth, and DHT is only responsible for penis growth in the fetus.

Personally, I think it's all wrong, and from what I've read and put together, IGF-1 is the major penis growth hormone. The reason high testosterone or DHT levels can trigger penis growth is because testosterone and/or DHT are needed to synthesize IGF-1 in the liver, along with growth hormone, insulin, thyroxine, small amounts of estrogen, and other growth factors.

One thing that IS certain though, is that DHT cream WILL worsen an existing prostate enlargement, and can potentially cause problems even if you are 100% fine before use. This warning isn't one of those ass-covering warning thrown in by drug companies, it is a VERY common occurance that prostate enlargement and cancer are caused by high levels of DHT. I'm not discouraging you throwning DHT in the mix, but I am just saying I wouldn't be the guinea pig unless it promised big gains.
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I thought eggs lower your Libido
 
I've been clamping and pulling the clamp gently toward the head and even though I'm pulling upward, I felt fatigue in my ligs the next morning. This was after 2-3 hours of clamping the night before though. How do you guys feel about clamping to achieve the frequent, prolonged erections? I'm not comfortable with Viagra, etc. because I've had eye problems in the past. I think clamping would be very beneficial. Just make sure you don't get numbness, black and blue, etc. and be safe of course.
 
Also, what about clamping and using a life like masturbater if you don't have the real thing? I doubt the real thing would have sex with you for 3-4 hours per day anyway, lol. When you say enlargement through frequent erections, does that mean a normal 100% erection or does it need to be more, like it would be when clamped, for example? Just wondering because I could easily stay erect for 4 hours using my life like pussy. :) That and the butt load of adult entertainment available on the net these days.
 
Great post...

goldmember said:
Trimix is a mixture of two vasodilators and a prostaglandin. I can tell you, increasing arachidonic acid consumption (egg yolk and red meat, especially) will dramatically boost natural levels of prostaglandin E-1. Since eating a dozen eggs and a pound of steak daily, I get erections randomly, frequently, harder, and they get to 100% much faster than normal. This might be an option you'd want to consider over a penis injection of trimix. If a dozen eggs and a pound of steak don't sound appealing to you, maybe just pop a V? I'm not saying trimix is a bad idea, just offering a less invasive option for you, but if you are willing to be a guinea pig, then that's awesome, let us know how it turns out.
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I eat alot of eggs now and never noticed how it affected my libido or erection... popping a V is nowhere near as effective as trimix, not on it's best day...

Potaba is just a potassium salt of para-aminobenzoic acid...yep, simple PABA that many multi-vitamins and all B-Complex tablets contain. Drug companies make salts out of natural compounds so that they can patent them, even if they offer no different effects...just FYI. Not only that, but unless you have peyronies or are very concerned about developing scar tissues, why would you add this to your chemical repertoire? PABA is inti-inflammatory, which will counter a good amount of the prostaglandin E-1's effects. If you want to add Potaba to your regimine, may I suggest Bi-mix instead of trimix(same as tri-mix without the PG E-1)? The PG E-1 and the Potaba have conflicting actions...
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I have thought about just using PABA since it is much more available and cost effective, but i wanted to follow the Penis Enlargement patent as closely as possible. I may try PABA on my second go 'round to see if there is any difference... from what i've read, any study that shows PABA to be effective as antifibrosis is very old and all studies showing Potaba as a treatment for Peyronie's Disease is much more recent.

PABA/Potaba is more than an anti-inflammatory, it is also serves as an antifibrosis. For this reason it is a common treatment for Peyronie's Disease. It is this property that makes it a good addition to the protocol.

I would be very interested in reading more on PGE1 and Potaba's conflicting actions... Please post where you read this??

I have heard stories of men gaining from DHT cream without even doing penis exercises, and I have also heard stories that some men gained nothing off of DHT cream, even with exercises. Most articles about DHT claim that it is the androgen responsible for penis growth, however more recent findings show that it is testosterone that is responsible for penis growth, and DHT is only responsible for penis growth in the fetus.
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I disagree... The area around the scrotom and penis contain alot of enzymes to convert test to DHT. Applying test in the penile/scrotal area only serves to increase DHT levels. This is well known and very well accepted in TRT circles.

I don't really think that applying test or DHT to the penis will yield much in terms of gains but i'm just hedging my bet. According to the Penis Enlargement patent, both test and DHT was used with equal success. Since i get routine bloodwork done, i'm not that concerned with BPH as i can simply reduce the dose or elimintate it altogether if it becomes an issue. I honestly thing that DMSO has more potential for encouraging gains than test/DHT.

Personally, I think it's all wrong, and from what I've read and put together, IGF-1 is the major penis growth hormone. The reason high testosterone or DHT levels can trigger penis growth is because testosterone and/or DHT are needed to synthesize IGF-1 in the liver, along with growth hormone, insulin, thyroxine, small amounts of estrogen, and other growth factors.
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I disagree... IGF-1 is now very common now and is often used with AAS. It's use hasn't caused much, if any penis enlargement amoung this group nor did it work for Supra. Any study that shows penile growth in children from the use of any hormone does not apply to adults. Once the growth plates have closed exogenous hormones do little to increase growth in non-striated muscles. This has been proven time and again with GH and IGF-1.

One thing that IS certain though, is that DHT cream WILL worsen an existing prostate enlargement, and can potentially cause problems even if you are 100% fine before use. This warning isn't one of those ass-covering warning thrown in by drug companies, it is a VERY common occurance that prostate enlargement and cancer are caused by high levels of DHT. I'm not discouraging you throwning DHT in the mix, but I am just saying I wouldn't be the guinea pig unless it promised big gains.
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This is a real concern and if my bloodwork shows any sign of BPH, i will definitely reconsider it's use.
 
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I've been doing this prolonged erection thing since 5 P.M. this evening. I decided to nut and then wait a few minutes and my whole dick feels more fatigued than it normally would. Do you think this is beneficial to feel more fatigued while doing this? It doesn't hurt while clamped or otherwise, it just feels like it is getting one hell of a workout. I've been clamping for 10 minutes and then jelqing for a minute or two to get the blood circulating again, then another 10 minute set. I hope to repeat this for 3-4 hours per night and see what happens.
 
sikdogg said:
I eat alot of eggs now and never noticed how it affected my libido or erection... popping a V is nowhere near as effective as trimix, not on it's best day...
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This is good to know. Where do you learn how to inject into your penis though?
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I have thought about just using PABA since it is much more available and cost effective, but i wanted to follow the Penis Enlargement patent as closely as possible. I may try PABA on my second go 'round to see if there is any difference... from what i've read, any study that shows PABA to be effective as antifibrosis is very old and all studies showing Potaba as a treatment for Peyronie's Disease is much more recent.
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So are you concerned about developing peyronies from penis injections?

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PABA/Potaba is more than an anti-inflammatory, it is also serves as an antifibrosis. For this reason it is a common treatment for Peyronie's Disease. It is this property that makes it a good addition to the protocol. I would be very interested in reading more on PGE1 and Potaba's conflicting actions... Please post where you read this??
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I do not have a particular source, but PG E-1 is a pro-inflammatory hormone. Most pro-inflammatories and anti-inflammatories act on the same COX pathway.


sikdogg said:
I disagree... The area around the scrotom and penis contain alot of enzymes to convert test to DHT. Applying test in the penile/scrotal area only serves to increase DHT levels. This is well known and very well accepted in TRT circles. I don't really think that applying test or DHT to the penis will yield much in terms of gains but i'm just hedging my bet. According to the Penis Enlargement patent, both test and DHT was used with equal success. Since i get routine bloodwork done, i'm not that concerned with BPH as i can simply reduce the dose or elimintate it altogether if it becomes an issue. I honestly thing that DMSO has more potential for encouraging gains than test/DHT.
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What does DMSO have to offer in terms of gains (how??) as I'm only aware of it's use as a solvent/transdermal...


sikdogg said:
I disagree... IGF-1 is now very common now and is often used with AAS. It's use hasn't caused much, if any penis enlargement amoung this group nor did it work for Supra. Any study that shows penile growth in children from the use of any hormone does not apply to adults. Once the growth plates have closed exogenous hormones do little to increase growth in non-striated muscles. This has been proven time and again with GH and IGF-1.
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If I remember correctly, Supra credits IGF-1 to about 0.5" length gain. Also (for what it's worth) Jose Canseco says that taking growth hormone (not IGF-1, but related) made his penis grow larger--in his book "Juiced".

Neither of those stories are proof of IGF-1's efficacy as a Penis Enlargement aid, but I just thought I'd add that in.

Please let us know how all this goes.
 
Very interesting post. I have been doing some clamping and while I don't do it much, I do believe I have seen some growth from it. During clamping my penis gets rock hard. I kegel blood into it during the clamping and as some have reported, it almost hurts when doing this. I have not clamped for more than 10 minutes so the danger is minimal, I think. Results seem that I have a more "hefty" and "meaty" penis. You can see the stretching results. So, that is why I agree there might be some merit to this prolonged erection issue. I didn't know what sickle Cell was. Thanks for the information. Given this info,that might explain much of why we see the large monster black schlongs. Hmmm. And very thought provoking. As for injecting my penis, no thank you. When Supra was writing about this, I thought he was bonkers. I have read and talked with many Peyronies victums who have taken the Pabota and the bottom line is that is really has not helped.

What about this thought: I was one of those that had an erection most all the time when growing up. Also masterbated a lot, just a normal thing. Had a fairly impressive penis as a teen. This might be partial cause and effect.
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I´m injecting prostaglandin since 3 months and like sikdogg said,an erection that lasts for 3 to 4 hours is one hell of a workout.
Compared to prostaglandin Viagra isn´t worth shit.Like I mentioned in another thread I do wake up in the middle of the night with rockhard boners,same in the morning.
The refractory time is zero,which means after cumming it doesn´t even go down.
I do wear a rubber cock ring for 4-5 hours.Sometimes I have a 90+% erection for 4 hours and sometimes "only" 2 hours and stay engorged at 60% for another 1.5-2 hours.
By the way I took a girth measurement and it went up by almost half an inch.
I´m not sure about length cause I´m not gonna measure for the next 3 months,but somethings happening for sure.
Girth gain was so obvious to my eyes that I had the courage to measure and like I said,it went up from 5.25 to 5.75 inch midshaft.
 
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I've been doing this prolonged erection thing since 5 P.M. this evening. I decided to nut and then wait a few minutes and my whole dick feels more fatigued than it normally would. Do you think this is beneficial to feel more fatigued while doing this? It doesn't hurt while clamped or otherwise, it just feels like it is getting one hell of a workout. I've been clamping for 10 minutes and then jelqing for a minute or two to get the blood circulating again, then another 10 minute set. I hope to repeat this for 3-4 hours per night and see what happens.
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Sounds like a good plan for you... personally, i would try to clamp for 20 minute sets.
 
goldmember said:
This is good to know. Where do you learn how to inject into your penis though?
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The doctor that prescribed my Quadmix showed me how and they also gave me some literature to read.

So are you concerned about developing peyronies from penis injections?
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No, not at all... Peyronie's is where you have a hardening of tissues causing pain and deforming the penis. Using an antifibrosis like potaba relaxes and softens the tissue to resolve the efects from Peyronies. The logic to adding Potaba to the protocol is to use its antifibrosis properties to soften the tunica and help or potentiate gains.

Injections are applied toward the base so if peyronies develops, the effects are minimized.

I do not have a particular source, but PG E-1 is a pro-inflammatory hormone. Most pro-inflammatories and anti-inflammatories act on the same COX pathway.
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Interesting... worth doing more research on at the very least.

What does DMSO have to offer in terms of gains (how??) as I'm only aware of it's use as a solvent/transdermal...
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Actually, DMSO was used as an analgesic and antifibrosis long before it was used as a transdermal carrier.

If I remember correctly, Supra credits IGF-1 to about 0.5" length gain. Also (for what it's worth) Jose Canseco says that taking growth hormone (not IGF-1, but related) made his penis grow larger--in his book "Juiced".

Neither of those stories are proof of IGF-1's efficacy as a Penis Enlargement aid, but I just thought I'd add that in.
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I really liked Supra but he had a tendency to jump the gun when doing his personal research. Studies on GH and IGF-1 in adults just doesn't support either of their claims. I truely wish it did though...

As far as Conseco goes, that fucking snitch rat-bastard can go to hell for all i care.
 
If you don't mind, let us all know a little more about your Penis Enlargement history, how long you have been doing "drug Penis Enlargement" and what your results have been, and what your drugs consist of.
large1 said:
I´m injecting prostaglandin since 3 months and like sikdogg said,an erection that lasts for 3 to 4 hours is one hell of a workout.
Compared to prostaglandin Viagra isn´t worth shit.Like I mentioned in another thread I do wake up in the middle of the night with rockhard boners,same in the morning.
The refractory time is zero,which means after cumming it doesn´t even go down.
I do wear a rubber cock ring for 4-5 hours.Sometimes I have a 90+% erection for 4 hours and sometimes "only" 2 hours and stay engorged at 60% for another 1.5-2 hours.
By the way I took a girth measurement and it went up by almost half an inch.
I´m not sure about length cause I´m not gonna measure for the next 3 months,but somethings happening for sure.
Girth gain was so obvious to my eyes that I had the courage to measure and like I said,it went up from 5.25 to 5.75 inch midshaft.
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sikdogg said:
Actually, DMSO was used as an analgesic and antifibrosis long before it was used as a transdermal carrier.
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Interesting. It's kinda ironic how an analgesic can burn the living fuck out of your skin lol

sikdogg said:
As far as Conseco goes, that fucking snitch rat-bastard can go to hell for all i care.
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lol
 
sikdogg said:
No, not at all... Peyronie's is where you have a hardening of tissues causing pain and deforming the penis. Using an antifibrosis like potaba relaxes and softens the tissue to resolve the efects from Peyronies. The logic to adding Potaba to the protocol is to use its antifibrosis properties to soften the tunica and help or potentiate gains.
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Wouldn't softening the ligaments and collagenous tissues DECREASE tension in the penis? Similar to how warming a cold rubber-band makes it more elastic. The more elastic it is, the more likely it is to go back to its original size. If you stretch a cold rubber band (and don't snap it) it will retain more of it's stretched size than the warm rubber band.
 
I practice drug free Penis Enlargement for about 5 years now.I did everything from jelqing to hardcore hanging (up to 30 pounds for 20 minutes),did a couple of month of clamping on viagra.
During that time I went from 7 BPenis EnlargementL (don´t know for sure) to 8 BPenis EnlargementL.
Like I said,that´s all I got from 5 years of very intense Penis Enlargement.
But I do have the feeling that there´s a lot of potential behind this prolonged erection thing.
And IMO you have to inject prostaglandin or Quadmix to get this kind of "workout".
Even a 50% erection on prostaglandin after 2.5 hours gives you that "special feeling".
What I mean is I´m not looking for miracles,I pretty much know that I can gain another inch within maybe a year by doing this.
 
You guys may want to experiment with nutting first. Last night I clamped for an hour and wasn't feeling much fatigue so I nutted quickly. After about 5 minutes I began clamping again and the fatigue level was much higher. I don't know if this will help or not but doesn't orgasm fatigue the penis? It seems to expand quite a bit more than normal just before and during orgasm so maybe that is why it is tired afterwards. I don't know all the technical stuff so I may be totally wrong.
 
goldmember said:
Interesting. It's kinda ironic how an analgesic can burn the living fuck out of your skin lol
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...and give you a nasty rash, but athletes used to use DMSO to relieve joint pain and other sore tissues for a long time. I think applying it to areas like your knees wouldn't burn as much as your penis would. I definitely wouldn't use it full strength on my dick... :O that would just be asking for trouble.

Wouldn't softening the ligaments and collagenous tissues DECREASE tension in the penis? Similar to how warming a cold rubber-band makes it more elastic. The more elastic it is, the more likely it is to go back to its original size. If you stretch a cold rubber band (and don't snap it) it will retain more of it's stretched size than the warm rubber band.
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I'm not sure about that but what is believe to be happening to cause gains from prolonged erections is similar to what Bib used to say about fatigue and expanding tissues... the prolonged erection causes the tunica to fatigue and eventually fail. The potaba helps by softening the tunica and allow it to expand further that it would without it. Just like a balloon... once you've stretched it real good, it expands easier and further each successive time that you blow it up. Since a balloon isn't a living tissue, it has limitations on how much it can expand but the tunica can continue to expand as it is continually stretched thru growth of additional cells. Potaba's ability to soften tissues doesn't do anything about fatigue and failure, i think that it just allows hte tissues to expand further before fatigue/failure sets in.

This has me thinking... would it be better to stop taking the potaba several weeks before stopping the injections. Regardless, based on the Penis Enlargement patent doc we know that Potaba is not really required for gains and leaving it out of the protocol will not significantly effect gains. I don't believe that Large1 is using potaba and he seems to be making progress as has a few subjects on the Penis Enlargement patent and just about everyone suffering from Sickle Cell Anemia. Wheather to add potaba or not is really a minor issue... the real key is getting and maintaining an erection for hours on end.
 
Wow, this thread blew the fuck up:D Lots of incredible information here, I appreciate the feedback.
 
doublelongdaddy said:
Wow, this thread blew the fuck up:D Lots of incredible information here, I appreciate the feedback.
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I think we all might be on the trail to discovering why the penis grows so damn much during puberty without deliberate exercise. I wish D0zer would come back to input some ideas, but oh well. I think we should try to keep this thread alive.

Sik, I wanna say the most important part of this chemical Penis Enlargement routine is the prostaglandins. I think everyone should read a little bit about prostaglandins, but to sum it up, they upregulate androgen receptors and directly stimulate protein synthesis. Without the prostaglandin, DHT may have little effect, but with the prostaglandin, the DHT is likely made much more effective. I think it would be wise to avoid taking/eating anything anti-inflammatory while trying this chemical Penis Enlargement routine because of this. Olive oil, peanut oil, sesame oil, CLA, N-acetyl cysteine, green tea, bromelain, and many other herbs share anti-inflammatory qualities with NSAIDS (aspirin, ibuprofen, aleve, etc.)
 
goldmember said:
I think we all might be on the trail to discovering why the penis grows so damn much during puberty without deliberate exercise.
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So very true. When I was in my teens I had a friend that told me about penis enlargement. His methods were very different from ours, but they are right up the alley of this thread.

In an essence, he tried to have as many erections as possible throughout the day (he also tried to keep his ejaculation down to a minimum -- sex & blowjobs only).

He claimed he gained 2"X1" in a year with this ballooning/frequent erection method.

I tried it but it didn't work for me. I coughed it up to him still being in puberty when he did this "method" (which he learned from a friend, who passed it on from another friend, etc.), but who knows now. I know obtaining an erection exercises the penis, and there is some very interesting feedback here. Sik, I want to wish you good luck with your injections. Keep everyone updated :)
 
goldmember said:
... Sik, I wanna say the most important part of this chemical Penis Enlargement routine is the prostaglandins. I think everyone should read a little bit about prostaglandins, but to sum it up, they upregulate androgen receptors and directly stimulate protein synthesis. Without the prostaglandin, DHT may have little effect, but with the prostaglandin, the DHT is likely made much more effective...
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This is actually great news... i was thinking about dropping the DHT gel from my protocol but if what you say is correct then it would make more sense to keep it in...
 
Sweeeet... but can you imagine if you used PGE1 or trimix to maintain an erection for 4 hours and doing [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]'s and toilet compression for the whole time?? I think your dick would double in size in no time...;)
 
sikdogg said:
Sweeeet... but can you imagine if you used PGE1 or trimix to maintain an erection for 4 hours and doing [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]'s and toilet compression for the whole time?? I think your dick would double in size in no time...;)
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Damn, I wish I could just smoke some Blueberry and be good...Oh I can:D

I may look into trying this and I know just who to talk to:)

Thanks Sik
 
sikdogg said:
This is actually great news... i was thinking about dropping the DHT gel from my protocol but if what you say is correct then it would make more sense to keep it in...
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Agree with sikdogg on that, well spotted Goldmember.

I have been reading some stuff on Sickle cell anemia and apparently Priapism effects between 10% and 40% of the sufferers.

Apparently the erections can be extremely painful. Maybe because their erections last longer than the 4 hours duration that was common in the patent application?

I guess if you are injecting Prostaglandin or Trimix directly into the CC there is little danger of an erection that will not subside unless you use a huge dose. Do you know what dose you will inject? I suspect this will vary from person to person.

I wonder what % of Priapism victims caused by sickle cell anemia do get permanent size gains and also wonder if there is something else in their make up that allows for the penis growth that is not present in unaffected men.

Good luck to everyone who is giving this a trial run.
 
Another thought to consider is a drug that inhibits prolactin secretion. Not only does high prolactin levels kill erections (it is also secreted after ejaculation) but it has been found that men with high prolactin levels often have smaller penises. I know the name of the drug that inhibits prolactin but I can't think of it off the top of my head. I wanna say it's called alprostadil or caverject, but I know it is injectable.
 
I could be mistaken... but isn't Caverject just PGE1.

I'm not aware of any injectable Prolactin blocker but a common oral is Cabergoline.
 
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