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Contact your scientists, urologists and doctors....I'll be FIRST IN LINE to suBathmateit myself and penis to whatever studies they like to prove beyond a doubt that this stuff works. rofl
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Contact your scientists, urologists and doctors....I'll be FIRST IN LINE to suBathmateit myself and penis to whatever studies they like to prove beyond a doubt that this stuff works. rofl
i made a post like this earlier in the week,like i said i would tell no one
i would keep this a secret,imagine if a guy was already hung wit 10in,and he was to ever find out about Penis Enlargement who knows how big his cock can get,but imagine if you convince a famous celeberty to advertise this,you can make MILLIONS!!
i would keep this a secret,imagine if a guy was already hung wit 10in,and he was to ever find out about Penis Enlargement who knows how big his cock can get,but imagine if you convince a famous celeberty to advertise this,you can make MILLIONS!!
REDZULU2003
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I reckon theirs BIG $$$$$ to be made in trying to get this into the mainstream, however I cant see it ever being pulled of or anyone really milking any profits, and I hope NO ONE does, cos its only simple exercise ...... simple exercise I want to stay on the net and not venture around the outside world so everyone knows, if it does get out it will be because of the sent.....O baby that SWEET smell of MONEY...it will turn a reguler Sunday church going Christian to the DarkSide ... MONEY is what will / may get pe/npe to the mainstream, I hope the guy/s that do/try this get shot LOL.
SWM you are a smart guy I must say from reading your posts. I also was in network marketing for a month. Right away I saw the money was get a little ways up and don't tell anyone how much profit you are really making. But act big and make all the money selling tapes and shit like that.
I think many are wrong to say profits will make it spread to everyone. I love capitalism, I love a profit based system, but I also know there are limits to where it can be beneficial. So far bodybuilding I've gained 125+ pounds, mainly muscle and lean body mass, but also some fat. I started 145 pounds and about 3-4 years later I am 270-275 now.
I experimented with many things and read about many things. One thing I realized was that the muscle magazines were owned by the supplement companies, who are owned by the major american food manufacturers. What makes more sense for profit, making a bar of proteins and fats that costs 1$ to make, and selling it for 3$, or putting in a bunch of carb shit, that costs 15 cents to make, and selling it for 3$. To make the equivilant return on investment you'd have to charge 20$ or more for the fat/protein bars, which no one will pay.
Also they sell you every supplement under the moon, which none of them do anything. I see people buying partial amino acids and shit, well you get all the amino acids when you eat meat. Spend your money eating meat and cheese and milk and those type of things.
In penis enlargement the market is already being taken over by profiteers. They sell you sawdust for 50$ a month, that you have to pay for the rest of your life. Or they butcher your penis and inject fucking fat into it, for 15,000 dollars. Dld sells this information for 50$, even assuming everyone is honest and doesn't just copy the information, a one time shot of 50$ will not make a large company or more then a few people wealthy. (btw when I get a credit card I will join this site, as I want to see dld's routines and ask him questions.) I think dld is an open minded guy which allows him to learn and grow, and in addition he has a passion for npe.. a powerful combination.
Waxn who is a successful bodybuilder I know what you are saying however I mainly disagree with your conclusions. I do however agree with some points you made. In my city of 300,00 there is about 40-100 people who got big from bodybuilding. And we are living it up. And this is commonly available research that doctos approve of, well some. Half the people I talk to tell me bodybuilding doesn't work either. Or you get big muscles but not stronger, or I don't wana get to big, I like being a pinner little loser. I tell people how I did it, and am doing it, and they won't listen they just tell me, no fats will make you fat, or no you have to work out 6 days per week like it says in this silly magazine. I don't ever talk to normal people about this anymore, I just talk to hardcore bodybuilders who are open minded(redundant point), who want to be insane.
Even if the average person did believe these would work, which they never will. As I said perceptions are almost impossible to overcome, profiteers benefit from the current situation, our society fears masculinity and will try to deny it, there are many factors. I've outright told friends about pe, friends that feel small, and they dont' come here.
But even if they believed somehow, you still have to do the work. And as you all know its not 10 minutes a day, its 30-90 minutes a day, which the average person will not be able to do. They might do it for a few days, then they will be off with their friends, or watching tv. That is human nature. We dream but only the great people, which are always few, are willing to do.
I also disagree with your statement that pe isn't hard to do. When I work out my hands are aching badly, I am watching the clock praying that minute is going to switch over so one of my mid workout breaks can start. I have to have a water bottle beside me and the window open because I get so hot and start sweating so bad.
What I do agree on is that if it became widely known, which it won't for at least a generation, you might see some people actualy try it out and gain a .25 in both measurments. But they will give it up.
At the gym we always laugh at new years. Every January 1st a bunch of people show up and buy 2 year memberships. They see us big guys in the gym and they pay the big bucks, which allows us to work out for like 20 dollars a month if you are 'gold' member. They go to the supplement store and buy 300-500$ worth of sawdust. They workout once, a few workout twice, one year I saw a guy last 3 workouts. Then they are gone and NEVER return. They can't get out of the contract either mwahaha.
Just this year I saw many newbs come in on january 1st, I like to go this day and scope out the chicks that come in. Not a single one of them was there by January 8th. I disagree with waxn that there is no correlation between the gym or pe.
So the two fold problem remains, they dont' want to put any effort in, and even if they did there is 100's of times more misinformation then information so they'd fail anyways. Only people who can put the time in and read through large amounts of material AND have the intelligence to come to conclusions on the information AND are willing to believe not commonly accepted thinking AND have the personalities where they can devote themselves to brutal day after day abuse for their goal AND are willing to change what they are doing and their thinking as they go along, will see dramatic results.
Seriously we are talking about out of a world population of 6 billion about 20-30 people. Which is about how many people have gotten dramatic results from pe, that wasn't passed down as a family secret.
I think many are wrong to say profits will make it spread to everyone. I love capitalism, I love a profit based system, but I also know there are limits to where it can be beneficial. So far bodybuilding I've gained 125+ pounds, mainly muscle and lean body mass, but also some fat. I started 145 pounds and about 3-4 years later I am 270-275 now.
I experimented with many things and read about many things. One thing I realized was that the muscle magazines were owned by the supplement companies, who are owned by the major american food manufacturers. What makes more sense for profit, making a bar of proteins and fats that costs 1$ to make, and selling it for 3$, or putting in a bunch of carb shit, that costs 15 cents to make, and selling it for 3$. To make the equivilant return on investment you'd have to charge 20$ or more for the fat/protein bars, which no one will pay.
Also they sell you every supplement under the moon, which none of them do anything. I see people buying partial amino acids and shit, well you get all the amino acids when you eat meat. Spend your money eating meat and cheese and milk and those type of things.
In penis enlargement the market is already being taken over by profiteers. They sell you sawdust for 50$ a month, that you have to pay for the rest of your life. Or they butcher your penis and inject fucking fat into it, for 15,000 dollars. Dld sells this information for 50$, even assuming everyone is honest and doesn't just copy the information, a one time shot of 50$ will not make a large company or more then a few people wealthy. (btw when I get a credit card I will join this site, as I want to see dld's routines and ask him questions.) I think dld is an open minded guy which allows him to learn and grow, and in addition he has a passion for npe.. a powerful combination.
Waxn who is a successful bodybuilder I know what you are saying however I mainly disagree with your conclusions. I do however agree with some points you made. In my city of 300,00 there is about 40-100 people who got big from bodybuilding. And we are living it up. And this is commonly available research that doctos approve of, well some. Half the people I talk to tell me bodybuilding doesn't work either. Or you get big muscles but not stronger, or I don't wana get to big, I like being a pinner little loser. I tell people how I did it, and am doing it, and they won't listen they just tell me, no fats will make you fat, or no you have to work out 6 days per week like it says in this silly magazine. I don't ever talk to normal people about this anymore, I just talk to hardcore bodybuilders who are open minded(redundant point), who want to be insane.
Even if the average person did believe these would work, which they never will. As I said perceptions are almost impossible to overcome, profiteers benefit from the current situation, our society fears masculinity and will try to deny it, there are many factors. I've outright told friends about pe, friends that feel small, and they dont' come here.
But even if they believed somehow, you still have to do the work. And as you all know its not 10 minutes a day, its 30-90 minutes a day, which the average person will not be able to do. They might do it for a few days, then they will be off with their friends, or watching tv. That is human nature. We dream but only the great people, which are always few, are willing to do.
I also disagree with your statement that pe isn't hard to do. When I work out my hands are aching badly, I am watching the clock praying that minute is going to switch over so one of my mid workout breaks can start. I have to have a water bottle beside me and the window open because I get so hot and start sweating so bad.
What I do agree on is that if it became widely known, which it won't for at least a generation, you might see some people actualy try it out and gain a .25 in both measurments. But they will give it up.
At the gym we always laugh at new years. Every January 1st a bunch of people show up and buy 2 year memberships. They see us big guys in the gym and they pay the big bucks, which allows us to work out for like 20 dollars a month if you are 'gold' member. They go to the supplement store and buy 300-500$ worth of sawdust. They workout once, a few workout twice, one year I saw a guy last 3 workouts. Then they are gone and NEVER return. They can't get out of the contract either mwahaha.
Just this year I saw many newbs come in on january 1st, I like to go this day and scope out the chicks that come in. Not a single one of them was there by January 8th. I disagree with waxn that there is no correlation between the gym or pe.
So the two fold problem remains, they dont' want to put any effort in, and even if they did there is 100's of times more misinformation then information so they'd fail anyways. Only people who can put the time in and read through large amounts of material AND have the intelligence to come to conclusions on the information AND are willing to believe not commonly accepted thinking AND have the personalities where they can devote themselves to brutal day after day abuse for their goal AND are willing to change what they are doing and their thinking as they go along, will see dramatic results.
Seriously we are talking about out of a world population of 6 billion about 20-30 people. Which is about how many people have gotten dramatic results from pe, that wasn't passed down as a family secret.
REDZULU2003
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But we do know that the average size has decreased in the past century.
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cant remember who said that, but good as I watched some shit ages back about Victorian Britain and it said the AVERAGE penis erect length than was 4 inches , now its somewhere around 5.5/6 inches, all BP as-well.
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cant remember who said that, but good as I watched some shit ages back about Victorian Britain and it said the AVERAGE penis erect length than was 4 inches , now its somewhere around 5.5/6 inches, all BP as-well.
I am on the fence about this.
I found this site because I wanted to improve myself. The Penis Enlargement part is just one aspect of what I am doing. I made a decision in October that I had to get myself in better shape. Someone who does not have the desire to improve themselves will not spend the time to do so.
As far as the comment about penis size relating to orgasm. It is definitely bunk. A lot of women only orgasm through masturbation and no penetration is even involved.
A large penis is more eye candy than functional. I put it in the same class as a boob job. My wife has fun with it, but the added size has not changed the number or intensity of her orgasms. The amount of attention and foreplay I give her controls that.
I chose to do Penis Enlargement because I wanted to do so. My wife supports and helps me with it because she enjoys spending the time with me, not because she thinks I need a bigger dick.
Most of the men I know would not even consider doing this. They either think they don't need to, or have lost interest in their wives. The sad part is their wives don't agree.
I found this site because I wanted to improve myself. The Penis Enlargement part is just one aspect of what I am doing. I made a decision in October that I had to get myself in better shape. Someone who does not have the desire to improve themselves will not spend the time to do so.
As far as the comment about penis size relating to orgasm. It is definitely bunk. A lot of women only orgasm through masturbation and no penetration is even involved.
A large penis is more eye candy than functional. I put it in the same class as a boob job. My wife has fun with it, but the added size has not changed the number or intensity of her orgasms. The amount of attention and foreplay I give her controls that.
I chose to do Penis Enlargement because I wanted to do so. My wife supports and helps me with it because she enjoys spending the time with me, not because she thinks I need a bigger dick.
Most of the men I know would not even consider doing this. They either think they don't need to, or have lost interest in their wives. The sad part is their wives don't agree.
as surprising as it may be, most men really dont care enough about the size of their penis to put in the work, no matter how minimal it might be, to enlarge it. all we know about lifting weights and how a simple routine can make you cut in a matter of weeks, people still dont do it cause they really dont care. ive talked about pe with guys before and they know about jelqing and everything but they are either scared of it, too embarrased to do it, or are just like whatever.
if everybody knew, more people do than you think, freaks like us would probably increase a lot at first and then drop off over time, like the jogging craze and what not.
if everybody knew, more people do than you think, freaks like us would probably increase a lot at first and then drop off over time, like the jogging craze and what not.
blue1214198203 said:
its also really a personal thing, cause i want a bigger penis to make having sex and masturbating more fun, not like those acts alone arent fun in themselves. take basketball, even though a really good vertical isnt absolutely necessary if you got one it makes playing a lot more fun, but then shooting or actually talking and connecting with girls is more important. peopel focus on different parts.
Hey, here's another point. Suppose everyone did know. Suppose everyone did it. It might take the advantage away from people like us, but those guys witn naturally big monster cocks might overdo it. I mean, most chicks have a size limit, so they might actually harm their status among women. Just a thought.
Wannab said:
I have a married friend that just turned 28. I told him about Penis Enlargement and wrote up a small program for him. When I checked back a couple of months ago, he hadn't done anything, telling me he just wasn't interested in sex anymore and didn't care. :O
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I reread this post and a few thoughts jumped into my mind....
1) To say that the "world already knows about Penis Enlargement" is very misleading; what many people know about are the shyster [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] (such as the pill peddlers, many of whom are now under federal indictment). As I've said before, I have, to date, met only 1 guy during my 18 months of Penis Enlargement who's done this or was familiar with it. Most people equate Penis Enlargement [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] with the "get rich quick" schemes or the "burn fat while you sleep" bullshit. They do NOT *believe* that this stuff is real.
2) If Penis Enlargement would suddenly go public, and subsequently the medical community would not be able to continue ignoring it but would be forced to deal with it seriously, it would be validated. It would no longer be an issue of "believing" - it would become commonly accepted, just like diet & exercise.
3) Questor, I never said that I knew about Penis Enlargement but didn't do it. I've mentioned before that I discovered Penis Enlargement when a bout of mild ED forced me to go online, looking for answers. I kept coming upon all of the Penis Enlargement sites (mostly paysites) and began experimenting with some of the free exercises.
4) randolf, I'll say it again - gym training is much harder than Penis Enlargement. Penis Enlargement can be done while sitting in a lounge chair - watching. Sure, your hands can ache. Big deal. When I used to pound the iron, my whole damn body ached. Penis Enlargement is also fun "private time" - a man & his weiner, alone & happy. I can't honestly say that stretching my yo-yo reminds me of a set of 500-lb olympic-style fullsquats, in the bucket, for reps. Or seated militaries with 300 lbs, or bench presses with over 400 lbs. And your suggestion that Penis Enlargement sessions are 30-90 minutes....Hydromaxmm, I've never gone over about 40 minutes. And I made early gains on about 20 minutes every other day (about 1 hour per week). Again, I've never vomited or screamed from jelqing, I've never required 4 spotters to help with "forced reps" on a V-Stretch, nor have I ever strapped on a lifting belt to perform a set of ulis. Getting to the gym is a big hassle for most folks - like the New Year's Resolution newbs you get. Sure, they "want" a great body, but they quickly fizzle out. I assert that penis size is far more primal that bicep size, and a lot easier to develop.
Let Penis Enlargement become common knowledge and, subsequently, medically validated and there'll be far more guys doing Penis Enlargement than hitting the gyms. I know that thought is too disturbing for some guys to consider, but just look at how many men go under the knife each year in their quests for a bigger cock (thousands!). Many others no doubt would also, but can't afford. Make Penis Enlargement free & available to the masses....and they will use it.
No, the average penis size will not become 8" - but 8" will become a lot more common (and the same with the larger sizes as well). I didn't Penis Enlargement so that I could become average all over again.
1) To say that the "world already knows about Penis Enlargement" is very misleading; what many people know about are the shyster [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] (such as the pill peddlers, many of whom are now under federal indictment). As I've said before, I have, to date, met only 1 guy during my 18 months of Penis Enlargement who's done this or was familiar with it. Most people equate Penis Enlargement [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] with the "get rich quick" schemes or the "burn fat while you sleep" bullshit. They do NOT *believe* that this stuff is real.
2) If Penis Enlargement would suddenly go public, and subsequently the medical community would not be able to continue ignoring it but would be forced to deal with it seriously, it would be validated. It would no longer be an issue of "believing" - it would become commonly accepted, just like diet & exercise.
3) Questor, I never said that I knew about Penis Enlargement but didn't do it. I've mentioned before that I discovered Penis Enlargement when a bout of mild ED forced me to go online, looking for answers. I kept coming upon all of the Penis Enlargement sites (mostly paysites) and began experimenting with some of the free exercises.
4) randolf, I'll say it again - gym training is much harder than Penis Enlargement. Penis Enlargement can be done while sitting in a lounge chair - watching. Sure, your hands can ache. Big deal. When I used to pound the iron, my whole damn body ached. Penis Enlargement is also fun "private time" - a man & his weiner, alone & happy. I can't honestly say that stretching my yo-yo reminds me of a set of 500-lb olympic-style fullsquats, in the bucket, for reps. Or seated militaries with 300 lbs, or bench presses with over 400 lbs. And your suggestion that Penis Enlargement sessions are 30-90 minutes....Hydromaxmm, I've never gone over about 40 minutes. And I made early gains on about 20 minutes every other day (about 1 hour per week). Again, I've never vomited or screamed from jelqing, I've never required 4 spotters to help with "forced reps" on a V-Stretch, nor have I ever strapped on a lifting belt to perform a set of ulis. Getting to the gym is a big hassle for most folks - like the New Year's Resolution newbs you get. Sure, they "want" a great body, but they quickly fizzle out. I assert that penis size is far more primal that bicep size, and a lot easier to develop.
Let Penis Enlargement become common knowledge and, subsequently, medically validated and there'll be far more guys doing Penis Enlargement than hitting the gyms. I know that thought is too disturbing for some guys to consider, but just look at how many men go under the knife each year in their quests for a bigger cock (thousands!). Many others no doubt would also, but can't afford. Make Penis Enlargement free & available to the masses....and they will use it.
No, the average penis size will not become 8" - but 8" will become a lot more common (and the same with the larger sizes as well). I didn't Penis Enlargement so that I could become average all over again.
I'm with WaxN. I don't think Penis Enlargement needs to be as physically demanding as a serious weightlifting routine. I know a day in the gym is rougher for me.
WaxN said:
HAHAHAAA forced v-stretch reps with spotters.
Hmm some good points. I don't see how pe will become mainstream though, when the successful ways of doing it do not make profit. Companies make money selling 50$ a month of sawdust or an hour surgery that costs 10k.
So you are always going to have the misinformation. Do a search for pe, you will get 100's of hits for pills or surgery compared to what 3 or 4 ones on the actualy stuff?
The medical community can never endorse anything at this point, because of litigation. Most doctors won't tell you to lift weights directly, because if you broke your back and couldn't work they would be liable, and that could cost them everything. They have a lot to lose and nothing to gain, by saying anything is right or wrong.
Bodybuilding is the same way to an extent. They sell you 4$ of sugar water, that actualy stops your growth hormone production, by the oil tanker worth.
They recommend training routines that are ridiculus overtraining. Infact if you ever got in shape you wouldn't have to keep buying all the sawdust they try to sell you, which would hurt them. People use routines for guys on steroids, not realizing its the steroids that allows them not to overtrain. My point is there is a lot of misinformation. But bodybuilding has made the average person somewhat stronger then they would be with no bodybuilding.
Highly uneven though with a few seeing large results, and most seeing very little.
That is how I look at pe, I can see the average going up some with the knowledge. You may be right about the primal nature of pe, but you were always a physically large guy, if you started out below average in strength, you might put bodybuilding higher then pe.
REDZULU2003
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I belive what Waxn says about bodybuilding being HARDER than pe, IT IS harder.
I also used to lift alot years ago when I was say 13 to 17 than I stopped , anyways I hammered havy massive weights and it HURT like fuck, it was NO FUN at all my legs were on the verge of packing in, my back was fucked, my biceps they were exploding out, but I nearly killed my self getting their .... pe is alot more easyer, very relaxing at times and ALOT of pleasure when doing erect work.
Just mho anyways.
I also used to lift alot years ago when I was say 13 to 17 than I stopped , anyways I hammered havy massive weights and it HURT like fuck, it was NO FUN at all my legs were on the verge of packing in, my back was fucked, my biceps they were exploding out, but I nearly killed my self getting their .... pe is alot more easyer, very relaxing at times and ALOT of pleasure when doing erect work.
Just mho anyways.
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This is true to a degree - but I disagree about the part where doctors don't recommend training because they could be liable for injury. That's really not true, as doctors are not certified fitness instructors - that's to be gotten at the gym.randolf said:
However, regarding the part about "big penis or big pecs"....
I recognize that a guy’s starting size would determine his self-image, to a degree, but I was referring to the “average-sized” guy. To illustrate this point, in a somewhat humorous manner, consider this…
What if you were destined to hear one of these 2 comments from women – which would you prefer to hear?
(1) Damn! I can’t believe your body – you’re built like Arnold. Too bad you have a li’l boy peepee.
OR
(2) You’re the skinniest guy I’ve ever dated, but you have an elephant cock – the biggest I’ve ever seen, by far.
I’d bet that 99.99% of men would chose comment #2. I can’t imagine many guys being happy with 21½” guns, but a 4.2 x 3.25 BPenis EnlargementL. That’s why I’ve said that penis size is far more primal, far more personal to men than is muscle-building.
- W a x N
quijjiboo said:
imo i dont think gains from pe should take a year. i think that we as a community all over the interent have the wrong theories being applied to training routines. the penis isnt a muscle but its growth works in a very similar way as to with building muscle mass or expanding the spongy tissue. i dont think newbie gains are newbie gains, i think its simply not training so hard that recovery cant be achieved and then once they gain they increase the intensity and retard growth cutting down on recovery time with increased breaking down of the tissues, leading to less gains. i really think we need to rexamine the mindset of heat, training everyday, pushing blood in for over 20 minutes, and so on. im not saying these things are wrong, but i think we should really take a serious look at this instead of just maintaining such a pessimistic view, no offense.
blue1214198203 said:
I agree blue12, the key ultimately is this. What challenges can you present to the penis that the best ways of meeting these challenges is to add size. Then what is the adequate time worked out vs. rest time to add that size for your body. Thirdly changing the challenge to another one that the the best way of meeting it would be to add size, every 4-6 months.
This is when I started exploding in bodybuilding. I realized I wanted to add 'mass'. Pushups, makes your chest stronger, but your body cuts down bodyweight to make the exercise easier. Chinups same thing. Say you were just working on your back and biceps, chinups would be great. But if you want a whole body mass gain, you need to forget challenging yourself with your own bodyweight.
This includes running, stairmaster, biking, climbing, anything like that. I see people work their ass off for 45 minutes in the gym, then do 30 minutes on the bike. Not surprisingly they are platueaed at like 160-175 pounds. I see people doing this with climbing to, they are wirey, and can lift their own now smaller frames easily, but when it comes to buffness they are small. I've seen womens reactions to me and others, and they like the big and strong. Just like with cocks they like huge and hard.
That was reason why with bodybuilding it took me a time to decide what to do, because I did not know what women wanted. I saw in adds androgenous models made out that this was sexy. But in my real life I began noticing that attractive women tended to date above average size and strength men. I watched this in nightclubs, I go to places like that when nothing is going on and just observe. As for penis size women don't want to marry some small guy. They want a very large and hard man, who will own their pussy everynight.
I wonder if jelqing for 20 minutes straight, is analogous to working a weight on your chest for 20 minutes. That won't make you big. It will make your cardiovascular system efficient but you will not gain mass.
Once you get this concept of body adaptation, its just a matter of finding the challenges. And giving enough rest time for growth. The problem is although when you understand this principle its beautiful in its simplicity, if you don't get it, you are highly susceptable to misinformation.
Lifting that weight off your chest for 30 minutes instead of 20 minutes, isn't going to add a pound of muscle. Nor could you substantialy ever raise the weight.
Penis Enlargement still takes much too long before results show so most people will quit that before quitting bodybuilding that's what I was trying to say.
But about needing more recovery, I don't see anybody doing brief infrequent workouts making extraordinary gains. The people who make those gains are the ones who spend a shitload of time Penis Enlargement'ing.
I think the analogy of Penis Enlargement to bodybuilding should be forgotten, creates too much confusion..
But about needing more recovery, I don't see anybody doing brief infrequent workouts making extraordinary gains. The people who make those gains are the ones who spend a shitload of time Penis Enlargement'ing.
I think the analogy of Penis Enlargement to bodybuilding should be forgotten, creates too much confusion..
randolf said:
Here is a question:
I am just making a return to the weight room after a long abscence. And I've been at it for over a month, not just a couple of workouts.
It's a start. I've basically been following the Body For Life weight routine. I would like to try Mike Mentzer's High Intensity Training, though I think I should get into a basic routine and used to lifting before I attempt it. I am obsessed with getting rid of this extremely stubborn fat, about 70 lbs. of it. The real reason I am motivated to gain muscle mass is so that more muscle will help burn the fat on my body. I have no real ambitions for Dorian Yates type muscle mass, though I wouldn't mind a little more than I have. However, I am determined to get my bodyfat percentage into the single digits someday. I love to do cardio. On a good week, I'll do cardio 5-6 days, because I am, for lack of a better term, emotionally addicted to the anticipated results. The problem is that cardio work heavily involves the lower body. Will I kill my size gains if I do 20-30 minutes or so of cardio after a lower body weight workout? If so, how long must I wait? For example, could I lift with my legs at 2:00 pm, go to work, then exercise when I get home around 3:00 am?
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quijjiboo said:
LOL! Yeah, I didn't notice any changes for about 4 or 5 days (bigger flaccid, thicker erections). And it took me a whole month to gain 1/2" erect girth, and about 5 months for my first erect inch.
Less than 15 months into (sporadic) Penis Enlargement, I have increased my penile size by nearly 71% more volume [6.12 x 5.2 = 13.17 ci.......7.55 x 6.12 = 22.5 ci]. Had I been more consistent, I'm sure those gains would've come sooner.
Why don't I continue to hit the gym? Because it's too hard, compared to Penis Enlargement, and I care more about my dong than my "most muscular" pose.
penguinsfan said:Here is a question:
I am just making a return to the weight room after a long abscence. And I've been at it for over a month, not just a couple of workouts.
hehe ya dorian yates was somewhat before my time, but that guy is insane.
You are definately on the right track from what I've read. Higher muscle mass will make it much easier to burn off and keep off fat. Like to be honest I have a bit of a gut at the moment, but my muscles eat a lot of calories a day so it keeps it in check.
I have read body for life, and my father has done it as well. I think it is a great diet for a 3-6 month period for dropping fat, and maintaining or even slightly increasing muscle mass. However if you look at people who have been on it for a long time they aren't very healthy. It lacks a lot of the essential fatty acids to make it sustainable.
They do get tremendous results for those 3-6 months though. It is probably a great diet for you to go on, for that period.
Cardio is a good thing, I could use more of it to be honest. It keeps your circulatory system healthy, plus flushes your system out of crap that gets stuck in it. Makes you more 'efficient' basicaly. I would recommend doing things like rowing and stairmaster, things that your bodyweight is only partialy an obstacle to. And also with these the key as with progressive resistance, is to progressively increase the difficulty when you are able to.
I saw very good cardio improvement doing the rowing machine 3 days a week for 15 minutes a while back. I made one mistake doing it in moving up the intensity to fast, but still I was able to 'row' substantialy farther in that 15 minutes then when I first started.
As for the legs then cardio, I think right after a leg workout you would have severe trouble pushing your legs on a cardio workout. I don't think the cardio would really screw up the recovery, it would just make a more intensive workout. But imo you would see much more gains doing a more intense cardio workout with some time in between.
Also you might want to look at goals too. I have read a lot on hormones and fat, for men and women. For an adult man I think a healthy fat is about 15%. For some men with heavy builds and lots of muscle as high as 18% is very healthy. For smaller builds and less muscle, 12% is ideal. If you start going below your ideal body fat percentage, your anabolic hormones like testosterone start to drop, as your body gets 'uncomfortable'. The people you see their abs on, are usualy pretty small guys, or larger guys that take roids. Therefore they don't care what their bodies response is they are exogenous taking it anyway.
If you have 70 pounds of fat to lose you are probably a large man, so at 17% bodyfat lets say and say you are 250 pounds, carrying 42.5 pounds of bodyfat would be very healthy. And keep in mind fat is 9 times more volumous then muscle per pound so it might look like you are carrying a good deal of bodyfat, but for your build that would be very healthy.
Oh ya as for HIT, I like that style, and if I were you I'd spend a few weeks working the weights lightly and making sure you have great form. Even like 3 weeks just playing around with them, and also starting with the right amount of weight. No rush. Then when you are ready starting it and seeing the progress over like 6 months.
Thats what I'm coming to realize with pe, I understand bodybuilding well largely from trying things and screwing up, and reading theories.. but with Penis Enlargement I haven't the experience. I have to look at it like, if I gained .4 girth in six months, and .25 length that would be phenomenal! I suffered from I want to see .25 in two weeks!, that is a bit unrealistic, its something you get a program that you know works like DLD's and just build at it slowly over time.
penguinsfan said:
Oh ya I forgot to answer this question. In my opinion that would work well. In honesty you could do the cardio after the leg workout, I think its mainly you would just be burned out. Plus I know for me I would not want to workout as much and it would be harder to do my leg sets, knowing I have a cardio workout to do after them. The key is having enough time, rest, nutrients that you can give the cardio a good workout.
It sounds like you quite enjoy cardio, so it will relieve stress. Stress is one of the most important factors for getting a good body. You have to have low stress especialy for gaining muscle. I can see doing a tough cardio workout before bed, sort of flush out the stress, and make you physically tired, so you can sleep well.
That is one reason people can't sleep very well, is because they aren't physically very tired. I would suggest with the cardio to, go hard but say if on thursday you don't match your tuesday, don't worry about it, its the increasing ability over time. This may not be an issue for you anyway, but for me it was a big thing, because I'd get discouragd if I didn't meet the last times workout.
I can see for you doing 5 cardio workouts a week like you are doing now. But I'd make them different types, like : row, stairmaster, cross country ski machine.. repeat. And at 5 times a week this will put in a natural change because the day you do each will be change.
And don't worry about the calories you burn doing the workout, its the energy your body uses to transform your body, and the energy over time the new muscle burns. And even more so the cardio vascular health. Not to mention the ability increase of having more endurance and more power.
REDZULU2003
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The average is only that cos of effort, dont expect to just gain 1 inch from doing it .... most put effort in and thats why they gain an average of 1 inch.
I still say Bodybuilding is HARDER than doing pe, ya cant say lifting weights [500lb's] and jogging in Icy weather is EASYER than simply pullin ya cock? but its YOUR opinion, fair do's.
All respect to ya, belive as ya belive.
cya
I still say Bodybuilding is HARDER than doing pe, ya cant say lifting weights [500lb's] and jogging in Icy weather is EASYER than simply pullin ya cock? but its YOUR opinion, fair do's.
All respect to ya, belive as ya belive.
cya
Thanks to randolf for the time put into that explanation on the cardio. Gives me some good ideas for training in the coming weeks, as I have a major physical challenge coming up.
doublelongdaddy said:
nah, its really not as important as we think it is on a national or global scale. certain kinds of people are really into it and most others really dont care, its great for us and people into it, but its really not as spectacular to everyone else.
if they really wanna find out about it and apply the knowledge theyll find out.
doublelongdaddy said:
No. It's only for those that exercise some effort in seeking out the knowledge.
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stillwantmore
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blue1214198203 said:
I like this reply. ^^
I personally feel like Penis Enlargement...even though it is all about (for the most part) making the most important part of a mans body as healthy and well developed as possible, it is still one of these 'things' to most people. It's not like bodybuilding or some other type of activity or lifestyle for physical health or wellness. It's one of these 'things' that will for the most part, by most people always be seen as a more eccentric type of preoccupation. It falls more along the lines of 'body modification'...like stretching your ear lobes with those big corks for example.
We dont need to be stressing ourselves out mentally over why or why not OTHER MEN will or wont do Penis Enlargement or will or wont believe that Penis Enlargement works. The important thing is that WE are here and that WE know better. That should be all that matters.
Hell even If Penis Enlargement was mainstream, not many people would have big dicks. Think about it. Id say for every 100 people that try Penis Enlargement maybe 2 stick with it. I know theres been times when ive been like man does this shit even work, or I dont see results fast enough. But I stuck with it off and on and I know it works now. But think of all the naysayers. Also everyone will be bencHydromaxarking each other like oh I didnt get an inch in a month this shit doesnt work. So regardless I think the secret is safe
physique said:
Thats ok
But really, I don't even think if there was a Penis Enlargement channel 24 hours a day broadcasted into every house in the world the stats would change that much. Most men don't have in in them, Penis Enlargement is allot of work.
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TheExecutioner
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Ive known about pe for years, always wanted a bigger dick but I gave up after I found I wasnt gaining anything. Maybe if I would have kept at it for a nother day, months, year i would of seen explosive gains, but I don't even Penis Enlargement now, so i reckon even if it went mainstream as DLD says, a lot of people would probably dabble with it, but not see it through to the end.
doublelongdaddy said:Thats ok
lol, every few days I'll be going through the guide on my buddies dish, and theres this show called "Penis Enlargement-TV" and I always just subconsciously click on it,(I dont have a clue what its about), And my buddies always like
"Why the fuck do you keep going on that channel"......
My answer......hahaha, I dont know man.....
Personally I wouldn't really care if there were more guys who knew about Penis Enlargement. As has been said many times, most of them wouldn't have the patience to keep at it. And I know there will always be guys who are bigger than me - I'm not Penis Enlargementing so that I can say I'm bigger than other guys. I'm doing it for the women I sleep with.
I am here only because of me,and because of the fact that i can realy change my life!It was almost a moment ago(2 years),when i first started doing exercises,and i doubt it from the start (that it may not work).Fear of living in a way as before kept me going on and changing routines to the point when i started gaining.I was very insecure before of my self,and had a fucked up life,because my size was small.When i feel that i am not consistant in my routine,i just remember the time when i was thinking of suicide,when girls were dumping me because of my size,and i Penis Enlargement like never before!!!That is the key for me,fact that all of it can be changed.Man this is something that i think about rigth now,...,i talk with my neighbour(female),and she notices my hanging cock,all of our conversation she is actualy looking down and stearing at my dick size,i feel like a king now,although i am not so big(6.6x5,15).2 years before i was wearing long shirts to actualy hide my small size,not any more.I have losted two girls that i realy loved because of my size(5x4.25),damn!It seamed for me that life is cruel and that i dont deserve to live,because i am small!!!I am way happier now,and my life is way much different because of Penis Enlargement.Thank god that something like this is possible.Sorry DLD but i dont think that everybody should now that this exists,but also i would love that only small guys like i was before now of this(Penis Enlargement works and is here for us to change our lives). My father said that the average size iz 10-12cm just to make me feel better(he is thinking that i am still small),when i asked him if Penis Enlargement is possible,and had also said that i shouldnt worry,the best guys in bed are those with that size(10-12cm),what a bullshit!!Who would belive in something like that!Few days ago i admited that i Penis Enlargement,and he just repeated that i shouldnt worry about my size,than i said at what size im now(he didnt believed!), well i convinced him,he just laughed and couldnt believe what he had seen!Now he acts way different when talking to me.Everybody from my neighbourhood noticed that i act and talk more confident than before.It realy changed my life.Keep it up guys,and thanks DLD of this free Penis Enlargement forums(i dont have credit card,if i had one i would donate [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]).Effort pays off.
I Agree with Quijjiboo that If u want to gain u have to work for it.Guys like AlloyCG claiming that they gained 1 inch in 3 months on everyday clamipng routine makes me wonder!I gained .125 inch. in 3 weeks in 7 on 3 off routine,more than with 2 on 1 off ,which was my previous routine.Hard work,and gaining dick size has nothing to do with bodybuilding.Spongie tissue is not a muscle,its something that needs to be streesed properly in order to be enlarged,and that wont happen if you dont stress it well(if u have a lot of rest periods),because our body tends to get back to its previous state,and it will if you allow that!Thats the point.African tribesman are putting rings around their necks for like everyday 24 hours,and with time they have larger necks,that wouldnt happen if they were wearing them just 2-3 hours a day.Corect me if i am wrong!
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REDZULU2003
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I hope pe never become mainstream, cos I kinda done want every man getting into it, or indeed knowing about it.....the sudden mainstream interest would make some guys in pe VERY WEALTHY but I dont agree with all that, cos EVERYONE in the forums gives to the pe, without the forums all them years ago with the 1st ect than pe wouldnt have evolved like it has....but putting it mainstream would be a big fuck you to all the guys [normal ones] like me, who have fead forums with so much info and than that is having money made from it....thats what would happen, some trat would see a quick money makeing scheme and go for it....nah keep it on the net in the forums and AWAY from everywhere else....its a great brotherhood we have here, think about it, it would be pissed down the drain if it went mainstream...every cunt would know and more would do it, it wouldnt be as fun anymore so guys LIKE ME would stop messing with forums and do it in their own home, away from all the pretend money makeing hype.
This is a very interesting thread, I for one would like P.E to say unknown mainly because the less people that do it the lower the average size will be. I really have no idea if it'll ever become mainstream and i hope if it does it won't be in my lifetime. But who knows, i mean like five years ago the only stuff you could find on P.E was like a 2 page manual off some random website and know theres [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]matters of size[/words], basically a only community of people all dedicated to growing their dicks. If in only five years it's grown this much I would imagine the trend will continue all though i don't know how much. yeah just figured i'd say my peace