Hey Snake,

I'm pretty new, but I glommed on to your posts because I also believe that Chemicals, or what I call Supplementation, should be the FIRST line of attack in growing our penis. I'm sure that stretching, devices etc are also helpful, but Supplementation first. That is a philosophy I hold based on my experience. I've taken clomid for 20 straight years and HGH for 19 straight yrs this month (perhaps longer than anyone else ever in my age group.)

I have a nice THICK cock, but in this internet day and age (where EVERY girl knows about HUGE cocks), I think length (mine has maxed out at 7 1/4") is an issue. I want to get to 9". A nice prime number.

Totally clueless about Penis Enlargement, just learning and absorbing new information every day. Appreciate all the input you guys make.
But, like I said, do have massive amounts of experience in supplementation.
 
bigdaddy777;527189 said:
Hey Snake,

I'm pretty new, but I glommed on to your posts because I also believe that Chemicals, or what I call Supplementation, should be the FIRST line of attack in growing our penis. I'm sure that stretching, devices etc are also helpful, but Supplementation first. That is a philosophy I hold based on my experience. I've taken clomid for 20 straight years and HGH for 19 straight yrs this month (perhaps longer than anyone else ever in my age group.)

I have a nice THICK cock, but in this internet day and age (where EVERY girl knows about HUGE cocks), I think length (mine has maxed out at 7 1/4") is an issue. I want to get to 9". A nice prime number.

Totally clueless about Penis Enlargement, just learning and absorbing new information every day. Appreciate all the input you guys make.
But, like I said, do have massive amounts of experience in supplementation.

Why have you taken clomid so long?
 
"Why have you taken clomid so long?"

If you know how to use it, it's something you can take forever.

Like I said, I have for over 20 years straight.
 
Snake,

I don't know if this site carries anything you're interested in, but I see several items in the product categories you've discussed.

http://www.lozsky.com

NOTE: I have not ordered from them yet, so cannot even vouch for their legitimacy.

But, I'm thinking about it.

They have the lowest prices for HGH I've ever seen.

I paid more than $4K nineteen years ago for LESS than what they are offering for $118.
Granted, I was getting Lilly Humatrope back then, which is the GOLD standard for HGH (and YES, there is a difference.)

For years, I pined for the day when HGH would be this cheap. It came down very slowly at first, even after Lilly's patent expired (which I think was in 1997.) It's obviously been much cheaper more recently. But, like I said, this is the absolute cheapest I've seen.

I presume their other prices are equally as cheap, but can't say for sure as I don't know their typical price.

In general, this seems like the ultimate place to buy - a wholesale outlet...in China!

If anyone else has any input, let me know....
 
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bigdaddy777;527327 said:
"Why have you taken clomid so long?"

If you know how to use it, it's something you can take forever.

Like I said, I have for over 20 years straight.

Strange. I know a lot of people myself included who have used a lot of gear but never heard of anyone wanting to or actually taking clomid forever
 
Hey fellas. Sorry for the absence. Been in the lab putting my penis through hours upon hours of tension and doing 2 injections a day composed of different chemical compounds and growth factors.

Hey ile de france. I got a few sources for vegf and will be getting it myself as well as soon as I get my income tax money back. Here's a link.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/593940733/good_quality_Vascular_Endothelial_Growth_Factor.html

Check out the website alibaba as a whole as well. They have all kinds of different research chemicals and growth peptides.

I think VEGF is the true key in all of this fellas. DHT, MGF, AND IGF are also important as well. Throw in some topical tissue softeners like DMSO/PABA and hours of physical tension to the penis and growth will happen. I will try to post more often again so if yall have any questions just ask. Im around.
 
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kingsnake;531128 said:
Hey fellas. Read this article on IGF and VEGF being used in experiments to grow human penis cavernosal cells in humans. In the article it's said that VEGF is the most potent angiogenic growth factor.

http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/content/full/24/1/85

Very interesting abstract! It is bookmarked for further study but every time you post something new I have to recalculate everything! Thanks King for all the research!
 
I found the essay very interesting and I'm intrigued to learn more, particularly about the last part where you talk about the chemical/supplement growth from within at the cellular level. Has any more research or experimentation been done in that area since? From what you said it all seems to make sense and, if indeed it is that simple and works in the way described, it would be a huge advancement for Penis Enlargement. At least in the chemical/supplemental area. I would be willing to experiment with this myself when more is known and within safe limits :)
 
Yo King.

Should one be worried about the side effects of DHT?

I'm just thinking about the future. I don't plan on using it until I have exhausted the basics.
 
Snake,

We are constantly thinking along the same lines. I don't come on here very often, but whenever I do it's because I've come up with a new idea for hanging and want to see if anybody has tried it before. Time and again, you'll have posted on the subject.

I didn't read your whole essay (I'll get to it), but as to topic 3, I have been doing exactly that. I basically combine DLD's newbie routine with Hardcore Hanging. I'm incredibly busy and need to do work constantly, so I can't do manual stretches. My routine is this: every day I do three 20 minute sets of hanging. I lie in bed, and on the first set, I put the weight to my left and over a ledge with height above my leg, thus using my thigh as a fulcrum. I do the same for my right leg. In the middle, I used to do BTC hanging, but found that it was hurting my upper pubic region without giving me that great of a stretch. So, lately I have been using a broom handle as a fulcrum. Using this method, I've gained .6 inches in around a month and a half. Once I can stand the weight enough where 20 minutes really isn't doing anything for me, I up it.

In between this, I have recently started doing ADS with a lock hanger. I've figured out a way that I can where it all day without losing any circulation. This has helped to keep my shaft very loose and soft, which I think gives me much better stretches.

Also, I've been using a snakehanger for all of this. I think I'm going to end up making my own hanger though, using a riser clamp like you referenced to with your python hanger. I'll let you know how that works out.

Anyways, keep up the good work. Just thought I would let you know that you're thoughts are on the right track and have proven to work for me.
 
How are things going my friend! I sent you the new number, please call!
 
Glad I checked out this thread there's a good discussion going on. I'm interested in your hanging methods and the DHT supplementation I think it will be a good addition to my routine. What's a good brand of DHT? I'm also interested in the more serious chemicals you mention but I'm guessing I should save it for when I get in my late 20s early 30s and exhausted all other pe efforts and want to try something new.
 
King snake, thanks for the info. I understand I'm years late on this convo but I hope you or somebody out there can read this and shed some light or give some advice. Of course increasing the size of the penis is what I been trying to do. I approach it with diet and nutrition. I eat healthy as in vegetarian and nutrition I take are L argine every morning and I take blue green algae. I also do heavy lift training and after those 3 things I do my penis excerixises witch include 5minute warming up 10 minute stretching , kegels (flexing the PC muscle, my warm up) and 10 minutes of jelqing and then I cool down with a shower. However after that I just rest, my shit turtles up and idk if I'm maximin the results you said I think it was called the ADS or penis pump what else can I do to get this thing rolling, hopefully I can get a response thanks man
 
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