Perfecting the Wet Jelq

Baraka said:

DLD has one helluva lube formula there. I'd love to try it someday.

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Maybe sooner than later I am going to make up a few samples and send them out to a few guys to get their opinion. I love this shit but I would like to get some other opinions. I can probably afford to make like 5 samples for now so hit me in this thread if you want to try it.

sounds pretty sweet.

DVD said:

from my knowledge that stuff stinks you of smelly garlic for a day or two,

no blowjobs then :barf:

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Yes, DMSO will do that but there are other penetration enhancers that won't.

sikdogg said:

Yes, DMSO will do that but there are other penetration enhancers that won't.

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I think your point is very important considering absorption of the various supplements. A sort of osmosis that would make maximum use of the complete lube. I think it is also important to consider that the lube will be constantly, with extreme pressure, be pushed into the skin for 20-40 minutes at a time. A less potent ingredient may be sufficient.

The problem is that most penetration enhancers will most likely irritate the skin somewhat.

philadelph said:

The problem is that most penetration enhancers will most likely irritate the skin somewhat.

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Another thing that needs to be considered with all of the various ingredients. I have a very good friend who is a chemist in a Connecticut Lab who I could go to for more technical information.

doublelongdaddy said:

I have something I have been experimenting with over the past year but wanting research it before I posted on it and I am still not ready but I figure I should post now or I never will. I am hoping a thread on this will get some member interaction and help me finalize this whole thing.

I wanted to improve the wet jelq by creating a lubricant that had multi-purpose. My goal is to make a lubricant that does not dry up, has the best possible drag, gives maximum blood flow, prolongs my ability to stay erect through a session and is something any of us could make right in our own bathroom. So far the mixture is too expensive to use every day (the batch I made up cost over $50 < and I had some of the shit here!) So far my jelqing lubricant is a mixture of oil based lubricants, alpha liponic acid, ditilled water, sodium bicarbonate, L-Arginine, Vanadyl, Vitamin E, some pharmaceuticals and various other herbal supplements.

I have a small batch of my con-C:DCK-tion sitting here and I would like to perhaps have a test subject to try it (I am also using it twice a week). For me it accomplishes everything I wanted but I keep thinking it may be psychosomatic. Anyway if it ends up being something worth while I will post the instructions on how to make it on the forum.

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Well DLD I must say that your Con--coc---tion is expensive at $50 for a few incrediants. I have just developed a slightly different formula that works very effectivly and only cost costs about $5.00 a bucket full In fact it was at the sugestion of Sidney Sidebottam, or I should say Glassbottam and Adolf Hilter, partly using this formula when they both fuck Ermgard.

I made some modifications to their basic content, their formula contained a dab of cow shit mixed with cat piss, to give it flavor. I took this formula and made the following mixture, that I use when Penis Enlargementing.

I take a shovel spoonful of cow shit, and instead of using cat piss, I take snail piss mixed with a pinch of dried dog turd that has been in the sun for a month. The dog turd must be white in colour. Then I mix all of this with Sidney's cum and a spoonful Emrgards Snot that has been rolled between the fingers for a couple of hours until it is dried.

Then I take a small glass of distilled water that has been impregnated with a half a glass of malt vinegar, throw in mushy peas and some gelled Ell, now this is very important. The gelled Ell must be at 150 deg F. When all this is mixed a micro waved for five minuets, you rub into your erected dick, making sure that you massage it into and underneath the foreskin.

You should only apply this outside, as the stink is atrocious and the wife may not appreciate the smell as it tends to linger for a few weeks. Just make sure that neighbors don't complain about the stink. You should not apply this in hot sun as it has a tendency to create a larger than normal lump on the gland that can become infested with lice if left to ferment for a few minuits. If you do a lot of fishing, apply some to the wifes pussy and in than two days you will have all the maggots you use.

Emu oil has been awesome for me so far in my jelqing routine.

philadelph said:

The problem is that most penetration enhancers will most likely irritate the skin somewhat.

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Most do, but not all. DMFA is one of the best penetration enhancers around and it doesn't cause skin irritation.

doublelongdaddy said:

Another thing that needs to be considered with all of the various ingredients. I have a very good friend who is a chemist in a Connecticut Lab who I could go to for more technical information.

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I think the biggest concern you will run into is the size of the molecule that you're trying to pass thru the skin as there is a size limit that can be passed regardless of the penetration enhancer used. I'm sure you friend can confirm this.

Mr.Winkle said:

Emu oil has been awesome for me so far in my jelqing routine.

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I've tried Emu oil but don't like the smell. I bought pure unscented emu oil and it has a very mild scent that smells like fat.

DLD, if you need a test subject I'll give it a try, so long as it doesn't have any products from slain animals like emu oil. :s :D

This is something that i would like to try. Since i have problems with staying erect when i'm jelqing this product of yours might fix the problem.

doublelongdaddy said:

Maybe sooner than later I am going to make up a few samples and send them out to a few guys to get their opinion. I love this shit but I would like to get some other opinions. I can probably afford to make like 5 samples for now so hit me in this thread if you want to try it.

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If you haven't found 5 test subjects yet i would like to give it a try.

doublelongdaddy said:

I have something I have been experimenting with over the past year but wanting research it before I posted on it and I am still not ready but I figure I should post now or I never will. I am hoping a thread on this will get some member interaction and help me finalize this whole thing.

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Good idea DLD. Just using olive oil alone may need some help.

And as an after workout session lube aloe vera gel for healing and inflammation. There might be powdered aloe vera gel though if you want to add it into one oil bottle because of the water.

I found some links, one talks about Vaseline and etc. how it's not a good skin penetrater,

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...ffskin.html+VASELINE+penetrate+the+skin&hl=en

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach....HTM+olive+oil+aloe+vera+skin+treatment&hl=en


And, to the menthol posts, if you go to Dr. Schulze catalog under Deep Tissue Oil it'll read, http://www.800herbdoc.com/p58.asp

DEEP TISSUE OIL

A POWERFUL, DEEP Penis EnlargementNETRATING HEATING OIL THAT RELIEVES PAIN, INFLAMMATION AND STIFFNESS.

DR. SCHULZE DESCRIBES DEEP TISSUE OIL:

This formulation is a VERY POWERFUL, deep penetrating heating oil that increases circulation and relieves the pain, inflammation and stiffness in joints, tendons, ligaments and muscles. For arthritis, bursitis, rheumatism, lumbago, or any muscle or bone pain, like bruises, bangs, tendonitis, trauma, broken bones, this formula speeds the healing so dramatically my patients named it "a miracle in a bottle."

I made this formula for myself. I have three Black Belts in different Martial Arts and have spent over 20 years working out. I have ripped almost every muscle in my body at one time or another and fractured and broken many bones. I know what injury and pain are. I used every commercial preparation and would always sit there after applying them thinking, is this it? I decided to create my own and pull out all the stops and not wimp out when it came to adding as many powerful ingredients as I could possibly saturate this formula with. I didn’t care if it burned my skin, I wanted results. I bottled the first batch in plastic jars and by the next morning, all the jars were melted into a puddle of plastic goo. That is why it is now in a glass bottle with a glass dropper. Well it has never blistered the skin but WOW, does this formula work!

I guarantee you that you will be amazed at the results. My experience, and that of my patients, is that when you really hurt yourself, this formula increases your recovery speed to nothing short of miraculous. When you really bang yourself up and you know you will be hurting for a few weeks, well, rub in this oil and the very next day you will be greatly surprised. That two week recovery will only be a few days. And for those suffering with chronic arthritis or other painful bone and joint diseases, this formula is a Godsend to relieve the pain and stiffness until my natural healing programs and lifestyle changes kick in.


METABOLIC ACTION AND BOTANICAL CHEMISTRY:

I did my masters thesis on this formula and the individual herbs, so I could literally talk days on these herbs, but I will narrow it down to a few specifics. Wintergreen Oil, is almost pure salicylic acid. Aspirin is made from coal tar derived salicylic acid. Wintergreen oil naturally reduces inflammation and pain. Botanical Menthol (Peppermint oil concentrate) is one of nature’s most powerful counter-irritants, creating a cooling or heating sensation on the surface, which greatly relieves the pain in the underlying area. Cayenne and Ginger are also powerful counter-irritants and dramatically increase the circulation in the area which speeds the healing process. Arnica flower, Calendula or Marigold flower, and St. Johnswort flowers, are 3 very famous herbs for bangs, bruises and broken bones. I used to think these herbs were kind of lightweight compared to the preceeding herbs until I was in the high mountains of Spain and saw a traditional village herbal bonesetter do literally miracle bone repairs using these herbs. They are famous worldwide for this use.

BOTANICAL INGREDIENTS:

Wintergreen Oil, Gaultheria procumbens, Botanical Menthol (concentrated peppermint oil), Mentha piperita, Cayenne pepper, Capsicum annuum, Ginger root, Zingiber officinale, Arnica, Arnica montana, St. Johnswort flowers, Hypericum perfor., Marigold flowers, Calendula officinale and Organic Virgin Olive Oil.

DOSAGE:

Use 1 or more droppersful on the body and rub in well for 10 minutes. The more you rub it in, the better. No matter how hot it feels, it will not hurt you but use with caution on or near sensitive areas of the body. Do not use in the eyes, mucous membranes or genital area. To intensify the treatment take a hot bath or shower before application and then rub in the oil for 15 minutes.

Also don’t forget your hot and cold hydrotherapy. Every day, until you are well, alternate very hot water over the injury for one minute and then ice cold over the injury for one minute. Alternate this hot and cold 7 to 10 times. This alone will heal you, but with the Deep Tissue Oil you will have a miracle.




It gets really hot down there. It'll increase circulation but anything more then a drop or two and .

I saw a condom commercial that said it had added heat. Capsicum maybe. I wouldn't add the deep tissue oil after a Penis Enlargement workout as it would continue to make it hot\inflammed.

An aloe powder link, http://www.arubaaloe.com/powder.htm.

Someone sent me a message about the herbs in olive oil,


1) What are the amounts of each ingredient in your formula.

2) have you tried this formula on anyone who has Arthritis?

3) Are there any special requirements when mixing these ingredients.

4) Where can you buy all of these products from.


I saw a Dr. Schulze video and it's the same as when making a tincture.

But instead of being able to use both wet and dry herbs for a tincture, only dry herbs can go in oil. So, I think he powders them first and then lets them soak in the oil starting on the new moon or for about fifteen days or till the full moon. Anyway, if you're looking for bulk organic herbs this is a link, http://www.pacificbotanicals.com.

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Sorry for being the devil's advocate, but DLD - you know you can't start a thread and expect not to have haters! Just a few things, really.

First off - price. That's pretty fucking hefty guy. No one needs to remind you of the complications with that though. The means should justify the ends.

Also, this sounds like it's edging on Penis Enlargement PILL territory. Combining lots of things that are "supposed" to help erectile function and bloodflow. How much is really necessary, and what ingredients have a neglibable effects?

Also, if people have been wet jelqing without Penis Enlargement lube for years, why should they need it now? I say this for a couple reasons: part of jelqing is learning how to maintain that erection WITHOUT aid, and becoming psychologically dependent on erection aids does more harm than good. It won't happen to all, but some. It did to me. And how much better does it really make jelqing?

Psychosomatic/placebo effects. There are ways to test this. Make two batches, make sure they look and feel similar - if it takes adding some potting soil to one go for it. Use one for a week or two, then the other. See if you can distinguish the effects. Then have a third party tell you which is which. You may need to do this several times. I would hate for this to get a bad rap unduly.

IN FACT - I have a better idea. When having people try it out, send out not only the real concocktion, but a fake concocktion. Try to hit up twenty people. Only 10 need the real deal, so it's cost effective. Make sure you send it to people who have been using vaseline as a lube previously to try and control confounding variables. Collect data.

Now, I'm not trying to down on the idea. I've said several times, part of life is pushing the envelope - and you are certainly a Penis Enlargement pioneer. Rock on with the experimentation, but be very wary of promoting it as a godsend.

electrojelq said:

I saw a condom commercial that said it had added heat. Capsicum maybe. I wouldn't add the deep tissue oil after a Penis Enlargement workout as it would continue to make it hot\inflammed.

An aloe powder link, http://www.arubaaloe.com/powder.htm.

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I was thinking along the same lines as far as using heat to open the pores and allow better absorption. This would be a more normal method than introducing another chemical. I will have to compare this method with DMFA or the likes and see the difference.

AlloyCG said:

Sorry for being the devil's advocate, but DLD - you know you can't start a thread and expect not to have haters! Just a few things, really.

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I would not expect anything less:D

First off - price. That's pretty fucking hefty guy. No one needs to remind you of the complications with that though. The means should justify the ends.

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When the exact makeup is finished users should be able to make this at a fraction of this cost. My cost includes full ordered quantities of ingredients to make a small batch. Once an exact combination is decided on someone should be able to make a large batch for a affordable price. When anything is in research/development costs are exuberant. Once people are able to produce this in quantity the price should be extremely affordable.

Also, this sounds like it's edging on Penis Enlargement PILL territory. Combining lots of things that are "supposed" to help erectile function and bloodflow. How much is really necessary, and what ingredients have a neglibable effects?

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The ingredients so far have been used successfully by NPenis Enlargement'ers already. Aside from this there is plenty of supporting data online through various homeopathic and natural medicine sites. Penis Enlargement pills are complete bullshit as far as the claims they make, I am not trying to develop a wonder lube that will make the penis magically grow, I am simply trying to improve the effectiveness of a classic Penis Enlargement exercise via enhancing the lubrication we use.

Also, if people have been wet jelqing without Penis Enlargement lube for years, why should they need it now? I say this for a couple reasons: part of jelqing is learning how to maintain that erection WITHOUT aid, and becoming psychologically dependent on erection aids does more harm than good. It won't happen to all, but some. It did to me.

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They shouldn't change their method of jelqing. This is for the people who do wet jelq. Once I finalize the mixture it is up to them to try it.

And how much better does it really make jelqing?

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Maybe not at all, hell it may make it worse but it is still in my blood to try new ways to improve old exercise. Advancements in any arena depend on experimentation. What better place to develop new and more effective ways to Penis Enlargement than that of the largest online Penis Enlargement forum? I have spend most of my 4 years developing exercise, routines, positive mental exercise, etc. if I chose to stop developing I might as well quit Penis Enlargement.

Psychosomatic/placebo effects. There are ways to test this. Make two batches, make sure they look and feel similar - if it takes adding some potting soil to one go for it. Use one for a week or two, then the other. See if you can distinguish the effects. Then have a third party tell you which is which. You may need to do this several times. I would hate for this to get a bad rap unduly.

IN FACT - I have a better idea. When having people try it out, send out not only the real concocktion, but a fake concocktion. Try to hit up twenty people. Only 10 need the real deal, so it's cost effective. Make sure you send it to people who have been using vaseline as a lube previously to try and control confounding variables. Collect data.

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Excellent idea! I have been so wrapped up in reading and mixing that I never even considered the placebo effect. I know, for myself, things feel incredible when I use the current mixture but as I stated earlier, this may very well be psychosomatic.

Now, I'm not trying to down on the idea. I've said several times, part of life is pushing the envelope - and you are certainly a Penis Enlargement pioneer. Rock on with the experimentation, but be very wary of promoting it as a godsend.

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Part of any process is debate and a calm, intelligent exchange of information, ideas and critique. Your concerns and questions are all valid and I would never consider it as hating. It is your ability to constructively approach any situation with intelligence and class that I made you a mod

I was thinking along the same lines as far as using heat to open the pores and allow better absorption. This would be a more normal method than introducing another chemical. I will have to compare this method with DMFA or the likes and see the difference.

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Someone call the fire department.

I don't know about DMFA so not going to comment.

Someone said DMSO though and MSM is its non smelly chemical cousin I think. Natural product from trees. Found in eggs. Hard boiled eggs blended together making a cream for Penis Enlargement is protein and etc help .