Possible breakthrough in PE

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MaxVeloc

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DLD im not sure if you've known of this method before but hear me out. After researching on how the penis works i found this method where after the 1st stage erection (100%) there is a 2nd stage erection where the chambers are filed past their limits to the range of (130-140) without even touching your dick.

OK how it works the goal here is to trap the local DHT within the cells of the penis while they are expanded to the fullest, thus stimulaiting it to grow many times that of say a horse squeeze because when you horse squeeze you only pressurize the base up. This method expands the ENTIRE shaft within the body causing it to come out and expand more and more(read wher some cases exceed 3in by just this). It's amazing but extremely hard to. You must squeeze your lower abominal muscles and muscles back by your tailbone, basically when you try to shit real hard and hold it you wlll feel very lightheaded, but your penis will become longer and longer and feel extremely tight( lil more than that of a horse squeeze). What this is doing is pushing the entire shaft out and the entire shaft's chambes to become that balloon blown up more and more growing receptors each time.

I suggest you add this after a good hard workout for both length and girth, for say about 10 minutes to start. Since these cells are already worked you can trap th DHT needed for making it grow. BTW DHT is a superhormone, you might want to know about it's benfits to the entire body as well. With doing this over extended periods of time you will restiulate the same kidn of growth you get in the puberty years, which are the years of the highest levels of DHT and DHT receptors and hGH. When you create an increased DHT stimulation in th penis it begans to grow these rectors within the cells, so the more you have basically the larger your penis is able to grow. I find this information very fascinating and helpful and i hope eveyrone can benefit form it..esp you red haha you need that new girth spurt. Hel if you did this form the beginning you could have been 7in girth by half the time lol woohhh

I just now started tyring this and so far i feel great. my erections become much fuller. Also for you hard gainers this shoudl spark the much needed growth that you need in your workouts, but i must sya again like growing msucle tissue you need to emphasize your diet, eating alot of vedgies and protein foods help considerably, this is very important for growing.


so tell me what you think of this idea and it helps you out a bit... I hope i explaind it well enough :)

peace
 
Last I heard, DHT was what is making my hair go thin...which I've started taking Propecia for a couple weeks ago...and also what causes most cases of Prostate Cancer. DHT is FAR from a "superhormone with benefits for the entire body". I dont know where you got your info from man. You make some pretty wild claims too. I just cant see how this could work like you hypothesize. Cable clamps cause the penis to swell beyond normal erection level when used properly.
 
SWM,

I'm very intrested to hear your Propecia results (both stopping hair loss and any adverse side effects.) Would you keep me informed?

puff
 
I would like to welcome you MaxVeloc..ignore SWM hes just gotten outta bed rofl J/K
I am open-minded about this...I would like more on it if you can and some in-depth if you would.

I am sure 'av'' heard of this before....Hydromaxmmm...was it Balooning? now some say BS...but I am open as I said so hit me.:fight:
 
These aren't claims, it's the damn truth so try to tell me what exactly makes a penis grow...that's right you don't know haha

BTW when you get that DHT in your penis doesn't mean you get it in your head...it's very specific to an area. you alreayd get those receptors in your scalp by aging, this is why it damages the blood circulation up there because you have too many receptors. Now will ya stop the bitchin already and face the facts....damn boy.. you got issues.

oh yes and about the prostate thing you get receptors there too and this causes inflammation and extra pressure and thus you have a stronger urge to ejaculate after working the PC muscles , it's a big mess down there when you do this....might want to go flush that shit out with vedgies my man ... that's why normaly guys who workout and eat well have cleaner scalps with less build up, therefore they dont lose as much hair quite as quickly

peace
 
Originally posted by MaxVeloc
that's why normaly guys who workout and eat well have cleaner scalps with less build up, therefore they dont lose as much hair quite as quickly

peace
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Hydromaxmm not true in my case. I eat like total shit, I hate to bathe and I have hair that goes to my ass and is thick enough to use as a pillow. My hairline is the same as it was when I was 18. I am now 37 go figure.
 
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SWM,

I'm very intrested to hear your Propecia results (both stopping hair loss and any adverse side effects.) Would you keep me informed?

puff
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Sure will puff!
 
Originally posted by MaxVeloc
These aren't claims, it's the damn truth so try to tell me what exactly makes a penis grow...that's right you don't know haha

BTW when you get that DHT in your penis doesn't mean you get it in your head...it's very specific to an area. you alreayd get those receptors in your scalp by aging, this is why it damages the blood circulation up there because you have too many receptors. Now will ya stop the bitchin already and face the facts....damn boy.. you got issues.

oh yes and about the prostate thing you get receptors there too and this causes inflammation and extra pressure and thus you have a stronger urge to ejaculate after working the PC muscles , it's a big mess down there when you do this....might want to go flush that shit out with vedgies my man ... that's why normaly guys who workout and eat well have cleaner scalps with less build up, therefore they dont lose as much hair quite as quickly

peace
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I didnt really deserve such an immature reply. But then again maturity comes with age. So does tact with what you say. I am also a moderator here. Not a threat, but do watch your future replies and how you say things to the members here. Especially the moderators. We're here to keep things running smoothly and to keep this place at the TOP of the Penis Enlargement forums. After four years of experience with Penis Enlargement, I do have a very basic grasp of what makes a penis grow. From my personal experience, that has been WORK. Not hormones. Sure, there are hormones that are released during puberty that encourage penis growth. That exact combination of hormones though...as far as I know has not been pinpointed though. Guys who work out usually have higher testosterone levels and are actually more prone to thinning hair. My working out during my time in the Marines is probably partially responsible for my thinning hair.

Welcome aboard. I hope you enjoy your time here....with more mature replies. (Strike one)
 
Interesting thread. Do you do this while you're erect or just after you're finished with a workout? Sounds like a reverse kegel to me that's held for longer periods of time?

-ItsElectric
 
yea you can do it whenever, personally for me it's harder after a workout because your dick is already torn up making it harder to expand the cells...i would only guess it's my theory that after a workout the trapping of DHT would increase growth stimulation, i guess we'll all have ot see if that's true.

also if you hold it whil squeezing hard and i mean hard let's just hope you don't gotta go or bad things will happen lol. Usually i can ge it to expand 1/2 to an inch in length and maybe 1/2 and inch of girth at full expansion. try to relax as much as possible this is ging to take alot of practice at first you will strain yourself but i'm sure it's veyr much worth it, since i use science on my side.

but yes THIS IS why you get bigger is DHT receptors PURELY , since men that age lose them and their erections decrease along with less DHEA in order to have an erection. I know also that genetics play a role in hair loss and penis size as well. it's all the right combination of hormones at the right times. Serotonin levels also play a HUGE role in holding back ejaculation and stress hormones inhibit it. This is why older men continue to have problems with decreased erections and premature ejaculation, simply less seratonin, DHEA and DHT levels which is also why the penis shrinks with age. The penis is largest at the end of puberty and if you think about it, it makes perfect sense, holding true that DHT is at it's highest in the male body during these years. This explains why people have been witnessing the younger generation growing at faster rates, it's all there.

STW i guess you're right.. immaturity goes with age lol
but i guess im not an easy guy either just lucky i'm not the guy who beats the shit outa of someone for looking at him wrong.
I got no problems with you, just kind of pissed me off you keep running down what i have to say and i understand your views are simply..simple which is the way go in most cases. I mean i agree with you on that just work hard and you get things done but i just saw that Penis Enlargement can be very well researched in order to maybe bring it to advancement exactly as DLD is doing and doing it very successfully

peace
 
wow I just learned something, very fascinating... the more muscle mass and fiber strength gaining(pesent tense because the growth at the same time) from lifting weights can actually slow your penis growth due to competition between receptors for testosterone, hGH and the final burning of testosterone for DHT.

So Penile size is all based on the availibility of DHT and it's density in the penis throughout puberty, NPenis Enlargement increases growth recpetors there in the penis(which we all know already) hahaaa so cool.

So to simply put males with less DHT through puberty end up having smaller penises. Also a big no no is to overtrain with weights and a poor diet while doing Penis Enlargement because working you muscles too much will deplete your testosterone and DHEA left for your penis to recuperate you will actually end up injuring your penis and temporarily being impotent :( but thats still cool to know

So now all I have to do is maintain a steady diet with good amounts of protein(not loads of it) good fat to carb ratios with minimal weight training just to maintain my muscle mass.

Well that also explains why poeple say bodybuidlers have small dicks because they have so much testosterone being burned in their muscles and not enough to support their dicks and thye shrink...that realy sucks for them.. im mean me..yes i am getting out of bodybuilding now for Penis Enlargement purposes :)

peace people
 
Hey Max a little heads up. Man do be careful with the straining. I was doing that a few months back and wound up with an inflamed engorged varicocele in the left testicle. Thats a $1000.00 dollar mistake I won't make again.
 
woha thanks for the warning, i think ill try control that straining....sounds very painful :/..esp the bill

yea good advice thats why they were saying to keep as relaxed as possible.
 
hey max - could you please explain a little more about what exactly triggers the hormone release, why it is localised to the penis, ect? i'm not saying it's not possible, i'm just not so hot with the biochem, i don't understand how a hard pelvic flex at peak erection will trigger off a localized hormone disharge. where does the hormone originate? also, would body building really be detrimental to penis size? i know muscular stress causes the body to release a ton of testosterone, is this superhormone a derivative of testosterone, sympathetic? i'm only asking questions because it's interesting. i know i could get off my ass and research a little too, but i'm a full tiem student, and hence unfailingly lazy by defenition. thanks.
 
no problem would be very happy to explain:)

first off these receptors respond to changes in the system hence the release of testosterone which is in turned burned into DHT to sort of update the cells there in accordance to the change ( jelqing, balloning etc.)

it's very complex actually i'm tying to name off the entire works of these biochemical reactions

the testosterone bursts and charges the parasympathetic sexual nerve for a production burst of the neurotransmitter Nitride Oxide (NO) and its erection dilator cGMP. Also your liver plays a role in this(get off the alcohol!), because it releases enzymes aiding in the burning of testosterone into DHT. This is why you become less of a man when you dirnk, it kills the production of testosterone significantly, again slowing your gains. When you balloon your penis up to 140% it balloons to the maximum volume availible by your foreskin, so the growth of foreskin would aid in enlargening your penile shaft underneath. The ballooning simply to put it, forces in excessive DHT causing it to expand, but will eventually come down to normal size but with more receptors and over time expand to larger sizes. The thing is this process isn't instant it takes time for your penis to respond to these changes depending on your age and how much testosterone there is flowing in that area. Yes, DHT is a derivative of tesosterone, it is burned where changes or stresses occur. The more testosterone , the more DHT you are able to create, thus decreasing the time it takes to grow your penis to a certain size.

Now we get into the nervous systems function. IN your penis , there exists parasympthetics nerves(sex drive nerves) they respond to the chemical Acetylcholine the linkage to the entire nervous system. They work together with dopamine, parasympthetic and endocrine functions, without them the penis will eventually shrink. It is important have a healthy nervous system. The sex system is also directly connected to the brain, so he health of the brain is crucial to your entire nervous systems health. Of course any healthy male and i know many of you are, have a good amount of these chemicals. So don't worry about this unless you are suicidal and have daily migraines and are on antidepressants, high blood pressure drugs etc.....weed lol

I would alse like to point out another issue, the cardiovascular systems needs to be strong in order to support more penile volume, this is why it is rare to see an 8 inch penis pointing in the 2 o clock and above position(unless the base is considerably thicker) and this penis that points up past 2 oclock(mine points 12oclock) is superior to the 3 oclock penis in stimulating pleasure for the woman, as it hits her epicenter(pocket of pleasure) 4-6 inches inside. this is stil possible for the 3 oclocker , it is just moe difficult having less pressure and being softer. But im going off topic hehe. Well i hope i explained some of it more thoroughly. :)

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Originally posted by MaxVeloc
wow I just learned something, very fascinating... the more muscle mass and fiber strength gaining(pesent tense because the growth at the same time) from lifting weights can actually slow your penis growth due to competition between receptors for testosterone, hGH and the final burning of testosterone for DHT.

So Penile size is all based on the availibility of DHT and it's density in the penis throughout puberty, NPenis Enlargement increases growth recpetors there in the penis(which we all know already) hahaaa so cool.

So to simply put males with less DHT through puberty end up having smaller penises. Also a big no no is to overtrain with weights and a poor diet while doing Penis Enlargement because working you muscles too much will deplete your testosterone and DHEA left for your penis to recuperate you will actually end up injuring your penis and temporarily being impotent :( but thats still cool to know

So now all I have to do is maintain a steady diet with good amounts of protein(not loads of it) good fat to carb ratios with minimal weight training just to maintain my muscle mass.

Well that also explains why poeple say bodybuidlers have small dicks because they have so much testosterone being burned in their muscles and not enough to support their dicks and thye shrink...that realy sucks for them.. im mean me..yes i am getting out of bodybuilding now for Penis Enlargement purposes :)

peace people
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Like you and most men here, I dont know all the details of the different hormones produced by the male body and how they "may" impact Penis Enlargement...but from what I seem to recall reading and hearing over the last several years, NOBODY has proven for FACT which exact combination of 'key' hormones cause the penis to grow during puberty or for that matter, how to reproduce this growth after puberty. Contrary to what you said above, as men age...DHT levels INCREASE and tend to become more concentrated in certain areas of the body like the hair follicles on the scalp and in the prostate gland. More so if you already have a genetic predisposition to this. You cannot alter these DHT levels with exercise or by masturbating more. I'm sorry man, I am not attacking you or trying to belittle what youre saying...its' just that you need to do a lot more research on your "facts" before you post them as such.

Penis size is not increased through Penis Enlargement by hormones. Hormones have nothing to do with skin and tissues being expanded by increased blood pressure in the penis through Penis Enlargement exercises like squeezes or jelqing. Nor do they have anything at all to do with skin and tissues being stretched over time with resistance. To say there was a direct correlation would be like saying that when a doctor cuts a person's leg bones, drills rods into them and then through [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] stretches this person's legs over the course of many months...several inches longer....it's all, or even partially because of hormones that the legs get longer. Same thing when a person stretches their lips, earlobes, or other skin on their body. Horomones are not causing the skin to stretch. It's resistance and time. LOL.

Loss of penis size with age is USUALLY a result of things like poor diet, lack of use or lessened use (less sex for example), and just plain, poor [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]penis health[/words] from plaque build up in the penis arteries which means less blood flow. More so than a cause of hormones or a lessening of hormones. These causes are seen as "normal" though for the average aging man and most doctors are more than eager to prescribe you some Viagra for your ED rather than to tell you to change your diet or do some jelqing to improve your [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]penis health[/words] and blood flow.

I'm always up for a good, mature debate. However, when some new guy joins the forum, acts like he has the next big Penis Enlargement idea thats going to totally revolutionize things and then attacks people who criticize what he says because they want to see if he really knows what he's talking about (I've yet to meet an 18 year old endocrinologist by the way)...that's when I have to say something.
 
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By the way, youre really starting to sound like this former member of Thundersplace....Jones something or another who started a thread on a very similar topic....except it was about how a testosterone patch could magically grow your penis with almost NO Penis Enlargement. Hmm.....
 
haha no im no jones guy, never even been to thundersplace :/

Well that is true DHT DOES in fact increase in those certain areas as age increases; however, it does not with the penis unfortunately:( but I am merely speaking of only the penis and sex drive.

Yes, it is normal but i would try to avoid being prescibed viagra, but instead i would try and avoid that if possible. I agree with you on that issue where men do not take care to their own penis as age increases and the possibility of the penis's health deteriorating even more... it is a sad case but in yours it is not sad hehe we know how to prevent all of those problems or almost all.

Also i would think yes the skin would grow to accomidate to whatever resistance there is (stretching, jelqing etc.) but like DLD siad the penis is not a rope it is merely a balloon.

haha no i'm not trying to revolutionize anything , i'm just here to help everyone understand what is possible for the own sake of our learning and advancement.

it's just I find information like this fascinating and wish to study on it and tell it to everyone else. Make a few suggestions here and there, just to help :)

I am continuing to learn more on this topic and i don't believe i'll COMPLETELY understand why a certain chemical does what, for I am still only in high school :/... I wish though
 
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yea, heh i can be a real jerk sometimes My apologies SWM...i'm sure everyone could be, but yes thankyou very much for the welcome Red that's what i need here :)

I am hoping everyone has a better understanding how the penis works now and to see better gains at least because i'm working on getting nice and big like everyone else here too.

hope to hear from you guys

peace
 
You sound quite knowledgeable, however, what you say about working out and testosterone/dht production runs counter to everything else that I have read. For example, resistance training stimulates testosterone and GH production. This has been proven time and time again. It is one of the reasons why older bodybuilders (not the ones on steroids) maintain a more youthful appearance. If you are speaking about overtraining having a deleterious effect on hormonal output, then I would agree.
I am not saying that you are wrong...your ideas are interesting. I have just never heard anything remotely like this and would be interested in being able to verify some of your statements.
I am in my mid 40's. I train with weights religiously. I still have 18.5" arms and a 51" chest. My penis girth has increased from 6" to 7". I have a hard time believing your hypothesis.
(I also use propecia and rogaine to keep my hair)
 
I'm with SWM on this matter and 2nd every single word he says.

MaxVelco,
All your explanation sounds like the ones of this Doc Soandso(forget name) and his ballooning technique.
All this hormone(DHT)-explanation is just pseudo-science and not proven to enlarge your penis whereas it's proven by many members of the Penis Enlargement-community that hard work(jelq, squeeze, stretch) will bring you there.
As well your comment(or the Doc's one) about erection angle is pure BS! When your ligs are stretched after several month(years) from downward manuals or hanging it doesn't matter how rockhard your erection is, it will have always a lower exerting point and angle. The same counts for guys which are born with such a lig mark-up(aka natural low angle).
The only proven way to correct this (if desired) are upward stretches to make the inner penis grow.
But you just started out, so try your technique and report back.
I'm looking forward to your results.
 
yea it is, very interesting site i must say but sometimes it can get confusing. At first i didn't understand what he was talking about. BUt yea until i realized i was able to do this al along it's like woh what was i missin out on. Well it seems to be working for me and hopefully i'll telly uo my results after a month or so. But no it's not bullshit, I know that the entire body has receptors, like the muscles, they are very mucht he same receptors where they adapt and learn to stress and fatigue such as weightlifting. YES the body learns, haha pretty smart isn't it. We oughta take advantage of that. They are generally the same because they are dependant of DHT form testosterone and will always rememebr what yuo do to them and how they reacted. The skin which when pressure is applied over time WILL stretch as SWM says, but the problems is it's not so easily said about the spongy tissues inside. They work more like a balloon , ballooning out and around, and depending how stretchable the foreskin is that covers it. I will also keep an eye open for other info as well, hope you guys get get a grasp of it.

oh yes abot the erection angle ... that i s true also since the stretchign will damage the ligs and permenantly losen them not stretch them, thye are loosened ( not stretched). Hy i gotta question too, did you guys that have longer much thicker rections and you previously hav a high erection angle? and also did any of you ALWAYS have a 3 oclock erection since puberty?


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Alright well I have read stuff about this somewhere before summut about Balooning....anyways it doesnt seem like Bullshit to me.
Its a new field of pe maybe....I mean we must remain openminded and try to make breakthrus.

However I havent a clue how to perform what your saying MaxVeloc...I am lossed and confused.
I would be willing to try this out.
Make it in simple 123 type steps so some of us can try it and see if we get anything from it.

Also I agree that DHT, testostarone and other growth hormones will help anyone doing pe/npe gain better.
 
Alright good theory... And that is all I believe this is. Doing a reverse kegel while you have an erection does force more blood into the penis, but this wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as say a uli IMO.

Not only that you'll probably give yourself a hernia trying to do this exercise.
 
Originally posted by MaxVeloc
no problem would be very happy to explain:)

first off these receptors respond to changes in the system hence the release of testosterone which is in turned burned into DHT to sort of update the cells there in accordance to the change ( jelqing, balloning etc.)

it's very complex actually i'm tying to name off the entire works of these biochemical reactions

the testosterone bursts and charges the parasympathetic sexual nerve for a production burst of the neurotransmitter Nitride Oxide (NO) and its erection dilator cGMP. Also your liver plays a role in this(get off the alcohol!), because it releases enzymes aiding in the burning of testosterone into DHT. ...
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I apologize for being blunt, but you have absolutely nothing being in the close proximity of a working understanding of endocrinology.

First, there is no "DHT receptor" - there is only one receptor, the Androgen Receptor (AR), which hormones bind to - both testosterone and DHT. Also, there is no real competition for the receptor, due to the mechanisms involved (AR recycling, dimers, substrate binding time etc), there are always available receptors. There is no "burning" of Testosterone into DHT. The conversion is performed by the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, which is produced locally in various tissues, e.g. the hair follicles and prostate. Since DHT is more potent at binding the AR than testosterone, its effects are more pronounced in the related tissues. btw - hair loss is more or less a genetic disposition, and not necessarily a good reflection of your endogenous T levels.

You can't "trap" DHT in your penis either - it circulates freely in the blood, but there is mostly localized conversion depending on the concentration of the 5-ar enzyme.

I think I'll stop there, at least get a basic understanding of the stuff you're talking about before coming on here giving the impression that you're some sort of expert... :s
 
Hey sorry about the typos, i tend to type fast.

Well for starters i would presume doing holding it either randomly at full erection througout your entire routine, and/or possibly at the beginning and end... much to experiment with here. What this process does is pack in everything the penis needs to grow, not just pressure holding like base squeezes , which in turn do expand the cells wider, but there just isn't the same about of pressure on the entire shaft. NO and stres and be overcome by doing these, i can do them rather relaxed now. Also consistency and time i believe will yield results as with SWM, that is true. I think Red, that you have gained as much as you can to a point where that routine worked, so you probably need a change in your routine, either more or less to continue gaining. BTW Red your girth is insane, plz keep growing i already envy you with a passion lol i wanna see an 8in girth by tommorow haha..j/k

LIke i said i'm just learning about this, and no heh i probably don't have a good proximity of total understanding, but that's interesting though what you are saying. We could all learn from you.

Before i go on I do know that genetics play a huge role in the speed of development and biochemical makeup. This is just the basis of how the human body functions, one person will be different from another in smaller ways, but generally we are the same. Examples of these are hair loss, metabolism and diseases as well, it is when and how these traits will show that makes us who we are.

Also I know DHT would circulate freely in the blood just as anything in your system does, but when you work your chest muscle for example does not mean your abs ill be stimulated to grow near as much, only if they are stimulated to do so. So DHT goes wherever it is needed to go presumably. This packing of DHT and other growth hormones into your penile cells is far moe than usual , so they get more than expected of everything (DHT, hGH etc.). Then again penile tissues are not muscle, they just react similar to stress and expansion as long as all functions of the hormonal systems are at top notch levels to be able to regrow the cells successfuly, rather than to continue to fatigue and over train them for little or no growth. This is applied also to training the muscles. I believe shold take in to account that more is not metter in this case as in weighttraining. there is also the problem of overtraiing, where one would say he worked hard eveyrday and never gained, this is because they never emphasized the importanr aspects. They may have never ate or rested enough. There is somethign caled the training effect, which is basicly seeing results; howveer, this training effect will not coem aroudn until there is emphasis on the recovery part. The muscles only need so much to be stimulated for maximum growth, as long as the workouts are intense. Depending on the person, one doesn't NEED 1000 jelqs, they could very likely get the same growth from 400 jelqs, maybe even slowing growth with 1000. This is alot like the debate between old and new school weighttraining, where old school simply states that more is better without full understanding of why and how muscles grow. For example, the calorie was thought to be believed to be just that; however, after researching and gaining knwledge on this, they found out the ratios of fats, proteins and carbohydrates influenced significantly how one would grow and go about functioning. Back in the 70's and 80's, it was thought that one needed to work out for 2 or more hours to get maximum muscle growth. Now one needs only 30minute intense sessions to get the same as a 2 hours workout would result. What is also important is how intensely and fluent the exercises are in this short session. Like Penis Enlargementing, weighttraining emphasizes intensity techniques inth shortest amount of time. A 2 hour jelq session with little intensity, very likely would not provide near as much stimulation as say 200 hard dry jelqs and several base squeezes. What I am basically trying to point out is, that is is possible to have a more efficient workout with the same results while keeping in mind WHY it is growing and what factors influence it.

These are just my theories...again I may be also wrong on things.

I truly believe these are why things are the way they are.



peace
 
hey sorry i uhh types alot of typos in that one, i didnt have time to correct them.

Red, just squeeze down a reverse kegel like you're going to take a shit but just not as hard , it's weird. Do this and you will feel and see your dick expand until the skin limits it to grow anymore.

I post too much...haha but that's interesting how theres only one androgen receptor being recycled., also a relief to know that there aren't any competitions between them.

peace
 
Really Interesting MAx, What i did today when i took a shit i looked at my cock as i pressed down and low and behold it looked hella long!
When doing this though Be Careful, when inhaling and squeexing pressure on your abdomen and anus area or this might happen to you......
http://poetry.rotten.com/weightlifter/
 
I always figured that if you get a semi (or cock grows) whilst taking a crap, it's because of the nerves in your asshole.

-ItsElectric
 
i don't want to trigger anotehr argument here, but since all Penis Enlargementers practice something that many call psuedoscience and silly, we shouldn't be so fast to attack anything not familiar. i don't think max is trying to sell you anything or preach teh gospel, just sharing some information he was excited about. if you don't think it's anything worth noting, then don't. no reason to slam anybody for sharing though.

as has been pointed out, none of us are endocrinologists and especially nobody has a truly comprehensive understanding of the processes mention, MD's and reserachers included. i'm not sure i believe it either but it doesn't mean i think the dudes an asshole for trying to share.

i'm gonna get strung up for this, but so be it. not necessarily in this thread, but in some, it seems like some of the moderators let their personal opinions about Penis Enlargement or otherwise inform upon what they do and say and they tend to reign down a little hard. i think it's because most people here, mods included, are pretty affectionate about the sight and DLD and each wants his idea of what the content and posting should look like to prevail. i feel moderators should only serve to keep the board running smoothly and up to DLD's standards, and nothing else.
 
Look, science is just beginning to understand the AR and why the DR happens after puberty. Given that we know nothing about penile growth, isnt it conceivable that Dr. Lin has an idea worth at least attempting? I am a full-time biochem student and I will tell you that things we thought for sure just 10 years ago are now being rebuked left and right. An open mind is a learning mind.

If I am correct, science doesnt think Penis Enlargement is possible in any form. Many Dr.s have come out with the belief that DHT will change the size of the penis after puberty. Why is this so hard to swallow? Either way, you are waisting nothing but time. Plus, you learn how to hold back ejaculation.

The only thing I will disagree with is the fact he sells evening primrose oil in his cream. EPO is a potent 5ar inhibitor. If DHT is so important to his theory, why is he using a 5ar blocker in his product?

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It's an interesting idea, but has been presented wrong I think... Max is claiming that simply by reverse kegelling, we can work out the penis by forcing these various hormones in, and these hormones then do the enlargement.

I don't believe that kegelling will do this, but I have no doubt that hormones have a huge role in keeping our body functioning properly, and this proper function may involve adapting to change. Are we all agreed on that?

So - it is the exercises we do (Ulis, jelqing etc), and NOT r-kegelling is what causes these hormones to be released. Tissue is degraded (due to us beating our willies up), and the hormones help rebuild it.

That sounds like a reasonable explanation, no? It is backed up by the fact that Max is still suggesting that we workout manually, and that the r-kegel is just a supplement to a good routine.
 
Loss of penis size with age is USUALLY a result of things like poor diet, lack of use or lessened use (less sex for example), and just plain, poor [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]penis health[/words] from plaque build up in the penis arteries which means less blood flow. More so than a cause of hormones or a lessening of hormones. These causes are seen as "normal" though for the average aging man and most doctors are more than eager to prescribe you some Viagra for your ED rather than to tell you to change your diet or do some jelqing to improve your [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]penis health[/words] and blood flow.

I'm always up for a good, mature debate. However, when some new guy joins the forum, acts like he has the next big Penis Enlargement idea thats going to totally revolutionize things and then attacks people who criticize what he says because they want to see if he really knows what he's talking about (I've yet to meet an 18 year old endocrinologist by the way)...that's when I have to say something.
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SWM is right on the money.
 
Originally posted by MaxVeloc
Also I know DHT would circulate freely in the blood just as anything in your system does, but when you work your chest muscle for example does not mean your abs ill be stimulated to grow near as much, only if they are stimulated to do so. So DHT goes wherever it is needed to go presumably. This packing of DHT and other growth hormones into your penile cells is far moe than usual , so they get more than expected of everything (DHT, hGH etc.). Then again penile tissues are not muscle, they just react similar to stress and expansion as long as all functions of the hormonal systems are at top notch levels to be able to regrow the cells successfuly, rather than to continue to fatigue and over train them for little or no growth. This is applied also to training the muscles. I believe shold take in to account that more is not metter in this case as in weighttraining. there is also the problem of overtraiing, where one would say he worked hard eveyrday and never gained, this is because they never emphasized the importanr aspects. They may have never ate or rested enough. There is somethign caled the training effect, which is basicly seeing results; howveer, this training effect will not coem aroudn until there is emphasis on the recovery part. The muscles only need so much to be stimulated for maximum growth, as long as the workouts are intense. Depending on the person, one doesn't NEED 1000 jelqs, they could very likely get the same growth from 400 jelqs, maybe even slowing growth with 1000. This is alot like the debate between old and new school weighttraining, where old school simply states that more is better without full understanding of why and how muscles grow. For example, the calorie was thought to be believed to be just that; however, after researching and gaining knwledge on this, they found out the ratios of fats, proteins and carbohydrates influenced significantly how one would grow and go about functioning. Back in the 70's and 80's, it was thought that one needed to work out for 2 or more hours to get maximum muscle growth. Now one needs only 30minute intense sessions to get the same as a 2 hours workout would result. What is also important is how intensely and fluent the exercises are in this short session. Like Penis Enlargementing, weighttraining emphasizes intensity techniques inth shortest amount of time. A 2 hour jelq session with little intensity, very likely would not provide near as much stimulation as say 200 hard dry jelqs and several base squeezes. What I am basically trying to point out is, that is is possible to have a more efficient workout with the same results while keeping in mind WHY it is growing and what factors influence it.

These are just my theories...again I may be also wrong on things.
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DHT doesn't contribute much to muscle growth. This is because the 5-ar concentration is very limited in muscle tissue. There is also no real systemic growth from working one muscle group - the reason is that the various signals and growth factors released from a process called "mechanotransduction" (stretching of the contractile structures) and microtrauma (microscopic tearing of the sarcolemma/cell) are highly localized to the muscle fiber itself, as well as surrounding cells within the same muscle.

I have no data on the 5-ar concentration in penile tissue, but there would be no elevation just from a reverse kegel. Not saying that the exercise isn't a good one, as has been demonstrated by DLD and his Blasters, but not for any mechanism involving DHT.

Also, there is rarely any overtraining of muscle tissue - the central nervous system is the limiting factor in the training load and volume you can use. A muscle can actually be overloaded and grow at the same time - there are the so-called synergistic ablation studies where they cut the gastrocnemius (outer calf muscle) of animals, forcing the soleus (inner calf muscle) to bear the weight of the animal - no sets, reps, or rest periods. The result is that the muscle doubles in size in a matter of a few days.

Not that this really applies much to the penis anyway. The point of Penis Enlargement is not the enlargement of a muscle, it is the stretching of the fibrous sheath as well as increasing the capacitity of the CC and CS to hold blood. The only muscular exercise is the manipulation of the PC muscle to increase erection quality and ejaculation control. Thus, working to the limits of the tissue is the goal, stretching it, making it more pliable, forcing permanent lengthening and capacity increases is the way to go. There are the chemical signaling mechanisms to consider when it comes to getting and maintaining a healthy sex drive and erection quality, but you can't apply what you know (or you don't know, as in your case) about growing a muscle larger to Penis Enlargement. Separate tissues, separate strategies.

Your idea of the reverse kegel is a good one, but not for the reasons you give, and it's also an integrated part of what most guys are already doing here, so it's not like you bring anything new to the table. I suggest you come here with an open mind, learning from the guys who have done this for a long time and know what works. Be humble. Not trying to preach here, but I have a problem with people spouting off pseudo-science trying to impress people into believing they have a clue.
 
DHT is an anabolic steroid, and illegal in the US. Evening Primrose Oil is a source of GLA, an essential fatty acid stimulating the production of a beneficial prostaglandin called PGE1. So you should still take it, I think it is a good supplement, although it wouldn't really affect DHT levels much. You might consider borage oil, though, where the GLA concentration is about twice that of Evening Primrose oil - more bang for the buck. My point is that DHT is irrelevant to this discussion, for the reasons mentioned.
 
This is not meant to be an arguement. The science of Penis Enlargement is unknown. Use the ballooning method is you choose. Please calm down on the who knows more rambling.

One more thing, GLA is a 5ar inhibitor, look it up. Will it effect Penis Enlargement? I dont know......Nor do you.

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Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
This is not meant to be an arguement. The science of Penis Enlargement is unknown. Use the ballooning method is you choose. Please calm down on the who knows more rambling.

One more thing, GLA is a 5ar inhibitor, look it up. Will it effect Penis Enlargement? I dont know......Nor do you.

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Yes, you are correct - GLA is a 5ar inhibitor, and won't do much to increase DHT levels (I see that I was unclear in this) - it will in fact decrease DHT levels in the tissues where this enzyme is present, and thus not be a help if this theory was correct.

Oh, and you may cut the passive agressive shit, we are both mature here. This is a DISCUSSION board, right? Where does it say that members can not argue with theories proposed? I happen to be a consultant in fields like endocrinology, cell biology etc, and I think you would react the same if you were a car mechanic and someone came on the board talking about carburetors and ignition systems as if they had a clue.

Will reverse kegels affect Penis Enlargement? Sure - and we already knew that. Does it have anything to do with DHT or how a muscle grows in response to training? No, and that was my point.

The science of Penis Enlargement is unknown
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I'd say we have plenty of knowledge about the processes involved. So I'd have to completely disagree with this statement.
 
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well i'm not saying JUST this will give you all the answers, i believe very much that jelqing and many other Penis Enlargement exercises are important and the growth comes mostly from these. I'm just tyring to figuire out why it grows. DHT being illegal...i'm talking natural DHT i wouldn't take steroids in a million years, my body doesn't need it and I proved this to myself. PGE1, i've heard of it, forgot what exactly it does though :/ i just would think DHT could amass itself in a higher concentration along the lines in penile growth, not higher levels all over the body.

yea haha i've noticed that too my dick gets longer everytime i take a shit, how did you come up with such an idea ....that puzzles me:/

but yea it seems my length gains have stopped;however, my girth seems to have kicked in gear, i am NOTICEABLY thicker over the week i would estimate a .25 gain but im forcing myself not to measure until a month, but hey i know that shit is definately blowing up.

but hey comon people dont let yourseves down.. the science of Penis Enlargement will soon no longer be unknown, maybe if you let it be unknown and continue what you're doing ...just maybe

peace
 
I don't think we should continue this discussion until MaxVeloc posts some before, during and after pictures.
 
Originally posted by Blade
Yes, you are correct - GLA is a 5ar inhibitor, and won't do much to increase DHT levels (I see that I was unclear in this) - it will in fact decrease DHT levels in the tissues where this enzyme is present, and thus not be a help if this theory was correct.

Oh, and you may cut the passive agressive shit, we are both mature here. This is a DISCUSSION board, right? Where does it say that members can not argue with theories proposed? I happen to be a consultant in fields like endocrinology, cell biology etc, and I think you would react the same if you were a car mechanic and someone came on the board talking about carburetors and ignition systems as if they had a clue.

Will reverse kegels affect Penis Enlargement? Sure - and we already knew that. Does it have anything to do with DHT or how a muscle grows in response to training? No, and that was my point.



I'd say we have plenty of knowledge about the processes involved. So I'd have to completely disagree with this statement.
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I am far from a car mechanic. Someone asked me what I do for a living? I am a biochem student myself. I can understand your wanting to set things straight as far as the information presented. But, everyone here has a right to post information without the fear of being bewildered. We can discuss things with the proper tone and without agitating one another.

My only concern is that others will not post because of fear of reprisal. This is not Thundersplace and I expect everyone to be able to post their theories. Be them right or wrong.

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PS: I would love to see some science on Penis Enlargement. Not just with collagen alone but with the Tunica Albuginea (because the integrity is much higher).
 
Well yea i know it's not muscle, i'm just implying that the penis IS stimulated to grow just as weights stimulates muscle to grow. The question is, what makes them grow biochemically. When i do this exercise i see significant expansion, i only do this when i am 100% erect or it would be impossible , you must be able to hit 130-140% of your normal erection.

I do give alot of contribution to my girth by just basesqueezes. I do alot of the DLD girth buster configurations, perhaps this is why i'm gaining alot of girth and no length?

whenever i gained my 1/2 inch in a week or so, all i was doing was stretching in circles for 10 minutes continously spinning here and there for circulation, then i would do 3 second wet jelqs for 20minutes THAT WAS IT for about a week. It was no wonder i hadn't gained a packing of beef girth wise because i never expanded the shit past 100%, so i just ended up stretching the innersheath length wise only.


peace
 
Well , I wanted to (stop lurking and ) add a little more material for the discussion of this "balooning technique"


So here goes : (quoted from actionlove.com



The Natural Penile "Enlargement" can be done by inflating the spongy cylinders in the penis with cooperating works of the Blood Circulation, Automatic Nervous (ANS), and Endocrine Systems. The principles and procedures are given in the attached graphs Pensruc.jpg (click here) and Enlarge.jpg(click here). Please read them carefully. This method has been copyrighted, but I disclose it for our readers' private use, not for commercial purposes. Basically, it will use a lot of bioelectricity in the parasympathetic, sexual nerves of the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ANS[/words] to create an extreme hydraulic blood pressure inside the penile cylinders, while the Endocrine system continues to produce free testosterone to charge the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ANS[/words]. You have to charge your [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ANS[/words] first by raising the testosterone level in your bloodstream. Let your [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ANS[/words] create a hydraulic blood pressure down there. Then, massaging the penis base and footing will direct the blood flow to expand the spongy cylinders to an extreme. I call this method "Ballooning Method". This method is an extension of my penis Power-up method that requires no herbal supplements.




----and even more :



Case Study - How to Practice the Natural Penile Enlargement for sexual orgasm!
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Reader: 9/18/1999>
Can you elaborate the Natural Penile Enlargement method?
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Dr. Lin: 9/19/1999>
The Ballooning Method is very simple.
http://www.actiontao.com/image/fig6-17b.jpg
or fig6-17b in Chapter 6 shows the massage stimulation zone. On the Yang (superior) side of the penile shaft, you have to massage the nerves as marked in green dots. Don't stimulate the urethra nerve (the green circle) which connects to the prostate's ejaculation control valve.
The success of this practice relies on
1. Hormone and NO levels - elevating your hGH, testosterone, and DHEA levels, balancing your estrogen level, and increasing the chemical Nitric Oxide (NO) concentration in your bloodstream to relax the penile tissues and arteries.
2. The ability to hold back ejaculation 3-5 times when ejaculation almost occurs. You have to train yourself to hold back ejaculation when you are about to ejaculate. You should apply a little pressure against your bladder and must contract your tailbone muscle when you are about to ejaculate.
Hormones feed the penile nerves and dilate the penile tissues for expansion. Hormone burning during sexual stimulation produces the super-potent hormone called dihydrotestosterone (DHT) to creates erection pressure from the groins and lower back (tail bone ),( as described in /cases/case8517.htm , updated 10/15/1999),

and bioelectrically supercharges the parasympathetic nerves in the pelvic cavity and the prostate to actuate the penile expansion. When the hormone-enriched blood fills up in the penile shaft, prostate and pelvic cavity, a penile expansion pressure grows up and the hidden section of the penis inside the body will be popped out. The popped-out section will be about 1-2", depending on your hormone and NO levels. You will feel an explosive pressure in the prostate area and the penis will become semi-numbed. Generally speaking, You must take advantage of the natural expansion force when ejaculation almost occurs. However, you must practice the Sexual Chikong Breathing to hold the ejaculation back for at least 3-5 times in every practice.
Step 1: Massage the groins/pubis and the penis footing and base to initiate erection.
Step 2: Massage the superior side of the penile shaft until ejaculation almost occur, but you must hold back with a deep anal breathing.
Step 3: then repeat Steps 1 and 2.
After 10-20 minute massage, you may be able to eliminate ejaculation without feeling uncomfortable.
You must massage the groins, perineum and tail bone to disperse DHT into your blood circulation after this practice. Don't let DHT be trapped in the prostate area. DHT can stimulate prostate enlargement, as it does for your penile enlargement. You must remove it by increasing the blood circulation around the prostate area.
If you are married, the best way to achieve the natural penile enlargement is intercourse which combines your and her sexual energies to balloon the penis. These procedures are given in Chapter 6, which shows many preferred love positions for the this practice. The sole stimulation zone for the penis during intercourse is shown in fig6-17b. Any high-attack angle love positions can do it. Stimulation of the male trigger zone must be avoided as shown in
http://www.actiontao.com/image/trigger.jpg.








Ok thats it. Obviously after reading this u will see where the threadstarter (MaxVeloc) gathered his information. Anyways lets not discuss all the DHT/hormone mumbojumbo , instead -
has anybody got the slightest idea on how to perform this balooning technique ?
MaxVeloc says he just reverse-kegels+tenses his lower abdomen muscles while having a 100% erection. Dr.Lins technique however also includes some massages and other things wich I don't quite understand.

Lets all try it out maybe its worth something !!! (Afterall its offered for free at Lins site, unlike all the other bullshit he tries to sell)


Well last but not least : Since its my first post , lemme quickly introduce myself :

I'm a russian currently living in Gemany , 21y , 195cm tall , been doing Penis Enlargement (+ gathering info @ all major Penis Enlargement sites) for the last 6 month ! Right now I'm @ 7.3 BPenis EnlargementL + 5.4 Girth wich was tons of work to get to in the frst place. Currently I'm on a heavy stretching routine (+ a girth routine every other day ) mainly focusing on length untill I get my 100% cemented 8" . Then I'd concentrate more on girth , till 6inch and quit my Penis Enlargement journey.

I'm open minded to any kind of Penis Enlargement , as long as its natural and not too dangerous for my unit. I made my girth gains with jelqs, base squeezes , and horses and length gains with manual stretching (A-Strecthes/V-Strecthes tunica specific stretches)


Well I guess thas about it. Nice to be here with so many intelligent people ! I think I'll get a little more involved in the future
 
Max,
You sound like a verbatim rattling of that "Dr." Lin's site, with his "penile ballooning" stuff.
I don't buy that shit; nor do I buy your fast & easy generalizations - such as bodybuilders having small cocks, weightlifting causing hair loss, or the amount of DHT during puberty being responsible for cock size.
Your cock size is genetic. You can enlarge it through Penis Enlargement, but DHT doesn't "determine" your natural cock size. And as far as training, I trained like a lunatic, am now 38, and have a full head of hair. Like DLD, I also eat like shit & don't exercise anymore, yet I've never lost any hair.
 
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