Plyometrics Blasters, my quest for the ultimate length routine...A Study by DLD

DLD · Feb 17, 2004

shojii said:
I would think reverse on eveyone....that way you can work the pulsing part of it...whaddya think DLD??

I hold my reverse kegel the entire 100 reps but pulsing the reverse kegel would be just as effective, I'm just not coordinate enough to do this.

I have some additional information and illustrations that I will update at some point.

Super · Feb 17, 2004

DLD I am confused, the 110's are to go past 100% these do not, how is it considered the same thing?

Also this does not have the Rotary Blasters, please make a video

crazyed27 · Feb 17, 2004

crazyed27 said:
I've been using this polymetric concept without even realizing it until now. Special thanks to the not so simple DLD for bringing this to our vision. Very interesting read DLD! I too have experinced lower back pain recently after using the polymetric concept. I was thinking I had just slept wrong or something but now I realize exactly waht was causing the pain.

I always thought I was using Ballistic Stretching. Which it is. Ballistic stretching involves moving the joint to the limit of its Range Of Motion using rapid dynamic motions. An example would be a soccer player doing repeative high kicks.

While Plyometrics, are used for athletes that want to increase there, speed, jump, and over all explosiveness. Now I really don't see how a penis can be trained plyometricly. A penis can't run, can't jump, and can't lay a hit that would knock someone on there back.

Using this theory the A-stretches would be ballistic stretches along with pulses.

While the rotary A-stretches would fall under the catagory of Dynamic Stretching. Dynamic stretching is taking a joint through its full range of motion.

This is how I see it from my eyes.

wesb · Feb 17, 2004

Good stuff DLD. In your opinion, would there not be similarity to the JAI stretches? I know you've posted in the past about them not being effective.

It's funny, I noticed this way before I started Penis Enlargement: When masturbating, I usually would "edge" for a long time, not knowing what it was called just trying to extend the joy I guess. I'd often get lower back pains after a time, I also when masturbating would often push my dick down pretty hard as well.

wesb

DLD · Feb 17, 2004

Supra said:
DLD I am confused, the 110's are to go past 100% these do not, how is it considered the same thing?

Also this does not have the Rotary Blasters, please make a video

Plyometrics, as I said in the original post, are only designed for 1-2 times per week in addition to your current stretching routine. Rotary Blasters encapsulate range of motion which, IMO, is vital to a complete stretching routine. Pulse 110's touch on this concept but they fall short as a Plyometric exercise because the retraction is not to 0%. In order for Plyometrics to be effective the user must allow a complete release of tension before engaging in the next repetition. Pulse 110 still play an important role in the stretching workout but only in cooperation with the whole gamut of stretching exercises. My research on this is to create a complete stretching routine that takes advantage of all the data I have studied so a stretching routine may incorporate 3 different stretches to be most effective.

crazyed27 said:
I always thought I was using Ballistic Stretching. Which it is. Ballistic stretching involves moving the joint to the limit of its Range Of Motion using rapid dynamic motions. An example would be a soccer player doing repeative high kicks.

While Plyometrics, are used for athletes that want to increase there, speed, jump, and over all explosiveness. Now I really don't see how a penis can be trained plyometricly. A penis can't run, can't jump, and can't lay a hit that would knock someone on there back.

Using this theory the A-stretches would be ballistic stretches along with pulses.

While the rotary A-stretches would fall under the catagory of Dynamic Stretching. Dynamic stretching is taking a joint through its full range of motion.

This is how I see it from my eyes.

Very perceptive! Incorporating a.) Range of Motion, b.) Plyometrics, c.) myotatic reflex training and d.) power training (pulse 110 theory) the stretching routine will address all current theory hopefully creating the perfect length routine with the fastest results. I will post my complete length routine later this evening.

wesb said:
Good stuff DLD. In your opinion, would there not be similarity to the JAI stretches? I know you've posted in the past about them not being effective.

wesb

JAI stretches do use a pulsing technique but the user is not supposed to use much tension. Plyometric Blasters rely heavily on extreme, quick tension.

slayman · Feb 17, 2004

this sounds a little like the JAI streach i read about back over at cheeky cherry.

i dont think the reverse kegel was involved though, and it was probably a little longer streach pulses

shojii · Feb 18, 2004

I want to add on something here. In bodybuilding after or in between sets there is something called fascial stretching. John Parillo, an expert in this field basically states that when a muscle is engorged with blood. you "massage" the muscle from origin to insertion (beginning to end) by taking you your fore finger and thumb and the webbing in between using a good amount of force. This can stretch the fascia covering the muscle allowing the muscle to become more engorged with blood and become bigger.
Basically the dry jelq in Penis Enlargement. So after a session basically with your hands or a clamp.
Dry jelq the entire penis. This should create more swelling which is good. The bad part that some of us know..........This hurts like hell on your bicep, it should fuckin' kill on your penis. I don't know if someone has posted this before, but I am going to do this after every workout and see how it works. If using the balloon theory of Penis Enlargement it should help length, girth and width........any suggestions ??

Gardenier90 · Feb 18, 2004

That sounds llike a good exercise.

shojii · Feb 18, 2004

Gardenier90 said:
That sounds llike a good exercise.

But its not gonna feel very good afterwards ..............lol
Oh well like the famous saying goes, "No pain........no pain"............lol

blue1214198203 · Feb 18, 2004

you should probably try this on something like your hamstrings first to test the theory. in that case holding a stretch is the best way to lengthen ligaments, muscles and what not. whether its one minute or 30 seconds its all about how often you do it. if you stretch for a minute 3 times a day without serious activity you are going to decrease performace, you can definitely overstrech. switch that with 30 and you should be ok, it really doesnt take much. stretching is really most effective post workouts or after long periods of nonactivity. stretching really really hard one day and then nothing the next isnt as effective as doing a good simple stretch after working the muscle group. i also dont think the sensory response (i think thats what you called it) is as important in lengthening fibers as simply stretching them which would work with the longer they are the farther you go until that response is generated. plus from what i know plyometrics arent really for stretching, the quick movements are in order to hopefully isolate fast twitch muscle fibers, b/c when you are using the muscle group they are systematically contracting, real flexibility is really only achieved through stretching. all of this is imo.

blue1214198203 · Feb 18, 2004

blue1214198203 said:
you should probably try this on something like your hamstrings first to test the theory. in that case holding a stretch is the best way to lengthen ligaments, muscles and what not. whether its one minute or 30 seconds its all about how often you do it. if you stretch for a minute 3 times a day without serious activity you are going to decrease performace, you can definitely overstrech. switch that with 30 and you should be ok, it really doesnt take much. stretching is really most effective post workouts or after long periods of nonactivity. stretching really really hard one day and then nothing the next isnt as effective as doing a good simple stretch after working the muscle group. i also dont think the sensory response (i think thats what you called it) is as important in lengthening fibers as simply stretching them which would work with the longer they are the farther you go until that response is generated. plus from what i know plyometrics arent really for stretching, the quick movements are in order to hopefully isolate fast twitch muscle fibers, b/c when you are using the muscle group they are systematically contracting, real flexibility is really only achieved through stretching. all of this is imo.

add in: (edit time ran out) the pavlov response theory is more mental and would eventually wear off (if you stopped doing it) w/o any real affect on lengthening the fibers either way

Godsize · Feb 18, 2004

Wouldn't hanging be better? Like, the longer you stay at an elongated state, the more likely it would be for the change to stick, no?

I could manual stretch for an hour and the motherfucker just creeps on back to where it was... as if I did nothing. Pull any harder, and you develop a tear in your shaft skin like I did and end up having to take a break to heal.

blue1214198203 · Feb 18, 2004

sorry still rambling, also ballistic stretching is good for warming up a muscle for quick movements but really isnt effective for flexiblity, b/c the muscles contract with the sudden movements similar to that of activity.

"When muscles contract (possibly due to the stretch reflex), they produce tension at the point where the muscle is connected to the tendon, where the golgi tendon organ is located. The golgi tendon organ records the change in tension, and the rate of change of the tension, and sends signals to the spine to convey this information (see section Proprioceptors). When this tension exceeds a certain threshold, it triggers the lengthening reaction which inhibits the muscles from contracting and causes them to relax. Other names for this reflex are the inverse myotatic reflex, autogenic inhibition, and the clasped-knife reflex. This basic function of the golgi tendon organ helps to protect the muscles, tendons, and ligaments from injury. The lengthening reaction is possible only because the signaling of golgi tendon organ to the spinal cord is powerful enough to overcome the signaling of the muscle spindles telling the muscle to contract.
Another reason for holding a stretch for a prolonged period of time is to allow this lengthening reaction to occur, thus helping the stretched muscles to relax. It is easier to stretch, or lengthen, a muscle when it is not trying to contract." = holding is better, ballistic can cause microtears in the muscle fibers that lead to shortening.

in response to godsize, excessive stretching fatiques muscles groups causing them to contract and "shrink back"

basically to achieve the best length in the ligs would be to work them out somehow and then stretch them out so they heal in the elongated state. maybe abbreviated hanging sessions.

crazyed27 · Feb 18, 2004

blue1214198203 said:
sorry still rambling, also ballistic stretching is good for warming up a muscle for quick movements but really isnt effective for flexiblity, b/c the muscles contract with the sudden movements similar to that of activity.

"When muscles contract (possibly due to the stretch reflex), they produce tension at the point where the muscle is connected to the tendon, where the golgi tendon organ is located. The golgi tendon organ records the change in tension, and the rate of change of the tension, and sends signals to the spine to convey this information (see section Proprioceptors). When this tension exceeds a certain threshold, it triggers the lengthening reaction which inhibits the muscles from contracting and causes them to relax. Other names for this reflex are the inverse myotatic reflex, autogenic inhibition, and the clasped-knife reflex. This basic function of the golgi tendon organ helps to protect the muscles, tendons, and ligaments from injury. The lengthening reaction is possible only because the signaling of golgi tendon organ to the spinal cord is powerful enough to overcome the signaling of the muscle spindles telling the muscle to contract.
Another reason for holding a stretch for a prolonged period of time is to allow this lengthening reaction to occur, thus helping the stretched muscles to relax. It is easier to stretch, or lengthen, a muscle when it is not trying to contract." = holding is better, ballistic can cause microtears in the muscle fibers that lead to shortening.

in response to godsize, excessive stretching fatiques muscles groups causing them to contract and "shrink back"

basically to achieve the best length in the ligs would be to work them out somehow and then stretch them out so they heal in the elongated state. maybe abbreviated hanging sessions.

Somehow DLD almost doubled his size just using manuals, I heard he only hung for like 3 months thats it. Manuals are very effective, I'd listen to DLD he knows his shit!

crazyed27 · Feb 18, 2004

doublelongdaddy said:
Very perceptive! Incorporating a.) Range of Motion, b.) Plyometrics, c.) myotatic reflex training and d.) power training (pulse 110 theory) the stretching routine will address all current theory hopefully creating the perfect length routine with the fastest results. I will post my complete length routine later this evinig.

Great! looking foward to seeing it and using it.

DLD · Feb 18, 2004

blue1214198203 said:
you should probably try this on something like your hamstrings first to test the theory. in that case holding a stretch is the best way to lengthen ligaments, muscles and what not. whether its one minute or 30 seconds its all about how often you do it. if you stretch for a minute 3 times a day without serious activity you are going to decrease performace, you can definitely overstrech. switch that with 30 and you should be ok, it really doesnt take much. stretching is really most effective post workouts or after long periods of nonactivity. stretching really really hard one day and then nothing the next isnt as effective as doing a good simple stretch after working the muscle group. i also dont think the sensory response (i think thats what you called it) is as important in lengthening fibers as simply stretching them which would work with the longer they are the farther you go until that response is generated. plus from what i know plyometrics arent really for stretching, the quick movements are in order to hopefully isolate fast twitch muscle fibers, b/c when you are using the muscle group they are systematically contracting, real flexibility is really only achieved through stretching. all of this is imo.

I understand what you are saying but it is very important to separate the muscles, which you are referencing, from the ligaments. In addition to the sensory endings that exist in muscles and tendons, proprioceptors exist within and around the capsules of the joints and ligaments. These provide important information about the position, movement and stresses acting on the structures. Participation of receptors in joint capsules and ligaments must also be considered as one of the mechanisms underlying proprioceptive performances.

blue1214198203 said:
add in: (edit time ran out) the pavlov response theory is more mental and would eventually wear off (if you stopped doing it) w/o any real affect on lengthening the fibers either way

If this was the case then any stretching would be considered temporary hence dis-proving Penis Enlargement as a whole.

Godsize said:
Wouldn't hanging be better? Like, the longer you stay at an elongated state, the more likely it would be for the change to stick, no?

I could manual stretch for an hour and the motherfucker just creeps on back to where it was... as if I did nothing. Pull any harder, and you develop a tear in your shaft skin like I did and end up having to take a break to heal.

I am suggesting that extended periods of stretching are just as important as Plyometrics. I mentioned this in my original post; "One of the reasons for holding a stretch for a prolonged period of time is that as you remain in a stretched position, the ligament spindle habituates (becomes accustomed to the new length) and reduces its signaling. Gradually, you can train your stretch receptors to allow greater lengthening of the ligament hence permanent penis lengthening." So I am not saying we should abandon anything from our existing stretching routines but I am saying that Plometrics needs to be considered as an addition to these routines.

blue1214198203 said:
ballistic stretching is good for warming up a muscle for quick movements but really isnt effective for flexiblity, b/c the muscles contract with the sudden movements similar to that of activity.

Understand and agree but we are not discussing the muscle groups of the penis but the proprioceptors within and around the capsules of the joints and ligaments.

blue1214198203 · Feb 18, 2004

right, but then your theory of plyometrics theory doesnt apply because ligaments and tendons do not get stretched in the body until the muscle tissue has been lengthened as far as it can go through flexibility.

crazyed27 · Feb 18, 2004

blue1214198203 said:
right, but then your theory of plyometrics theory doesnt apply because ligaments and tendons do not get stretched in the body until the muscle tissue has been lengthened as far as it can go through flexibility.

All in all its a shock concept, you are quickly and repetedly pushing your tissue to its limit and past that. Tramatizing the tissue would and could stimulate growth, if done in cycles, not all the time or everyday. Doing it too much would probably cause the tissue to go on the defense, hence shrinking to protect itself. But if done in moderation, adding it to a routine once or twice a week or so, lets say for 2 months, then putting the exercise on the back burner for a couple of months, then reintroducing the exercise back to the tissue would IMO would cause better gains. this is just what I think!

shojii · Feb 18, 2004

But what I believe DLD is saying, and I do agree is that this can be an important component to increasing length...........Not the end all be all. If incorporated with the different elements I think he's talking more about neuro-imprinting. This would allow for a greater stimulus to be placed on the area and more blood would be able to be stored there. Creating the possibility for more potential growth....

DLD · Feb 18, 2004

blue1214198203 said:
right, but then your theory of plyometrics theory doesnt apply because ligaments and tendons do not get stretched in the body until the muscle tissue has been lengthened as far as it can go through flexibility.

This is bypassed because I am manually firing this effect. The ligaments still have a distinctive morphology and physiological responsiveness even though I am manually forcing this event.

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