PGE-1 Injection Progress Thread

[spinner2]

I don't know if this is true for everybody, but if you are going to use andractim you would need to watch out for a enlarged prostate.

There's a poster on �other forum� (ticktickticker) who says absorption into the bloodstream would happen quickly, and this would be useless. Perhaps an erection could help prevent this. He's a doctor, obviously well informed, and very supportive of the use of drugs for Penis Enlargement. Maybe subcutaneous injections would be the solution. I'm going to PM him later concerning this.

 

[PenilePersist]

Hey spin,

Good to see you experimenting more. I know you were looking forward to it for a while and I'm glad you've found the right conditions to do it. I'm happy to continue learning about chem pe and especially pleased with learning from you since I so far find you to be an effective researcher, learner, applier of knowledge and communicator. Thanks for the thread.

Do at least a full year of Penis Enlargement before you start injections. You could easily gain enough to meet your goals if you give it a couple years, stay consistent, and work really hard.

Interesting to see from you, considering the last time we "butt heads" a bit about my advice to do manual Penis Enlargement for at least about 3-6 months before chemical Penis Enlargement. But, I'm really not suggesting we get into the conversation again or I would have continued the last. I will say that I do think there are enough techniques for collagen breakdown for any Tunica thickening from manual Penis Enlargement to not be much of an issue, and I am not sure of the evidence of Tunica thickening from every manual Penis Enlargement exercise or from any specific exercises if only limited to girth exercises and not length ones etc.

I was very happy to get into that discussion with you though, in the end, because immediately thereafter I dug into chem Penis Enlargement info a lot more and I was pleased with what I found.

POTABA is only taken orally, as far as I know. Some people have discussed a topical, but I've never heard of one actually being made.

Back when I did the bulk of my chem pe research to date, I took some notes because I knew I would not absorb everything. In my notes I have a mention of Verapamil as topical collagen breakdown which I found in research on Potaba in Peyronie's, where Verapamil is a topical alternative to Potaba.
I think Verapamil was originally used with injection, and Prescription Dispensing Laboratories (PDL - Prescription Dispensing Laboratories) created a Cream version.

Here's a site: Topical Verapamil . Also google verapamil, topcial verapamil cream etc.

Reviews I have read stated it is very effective but very expensive.

My notes also have All About Peyronies Disease, Alternative Medical Treatment as a good source of info for collagen breakdown.

Also, remember, many Peyronie's patients take 12g of Potaba per day for a year, despite possible effects to ligs, tendons in the whole body. However, maybe the best regimen, money aside, would be 4g oral Potaba and very liberal application of Verapamil Cream, possibly with DMSO.

I had also found an auto injector that seemed much better quality than the links sikdogg provided, and may or may not help you with some of your injection challenges, but I can't seem to find the link at the moment.

In regards to comments on pain, I think the "no pain, no gain" thing is likely very true with chem Penis Enlargement. I recall painful erections in puberty and it seems common sense that there will be "growth pains" so I would actually be discouraged if there wasn't any pain/aches.

For stretching, it seems to me that only a 5-10 minute stretch/hang would be best before erection for prep (unless more can be done without causing injecting problems) and, despite reports of pain, a 20-60 minute stretch/hang after erection would be best for gains because the Tunica would be in a state with the most collagen breakdown and the most expansion for the day already, providing less resistance for stretching AND giving reason to want to not only improve but sustain that stretched state as much as possible to increase chances of gains.

Good luck with everything.

 

[spinner2]

Interesting to see from you, considering the last time we "butt heads" a bit about my advice to do manual Penis Enlargement for at least about 3-6 months before chemical Penis Enlargement. But, I'm really not suggesting we get into the conversation again or I would have continued the last.

This is a different situation than usual. He doesn't like the thought of injecting, and doesn't need massive gains to meet his goal. I think chem Penis Enlargement is only necessary if you want massive gains. If not, then why take the risk.

 

[spinner2]

I'm looking into making my own verapamil topical. All stretching is done after injections now. I'm also hanging some on the off-days.

 

[PenilePersist]

I'm looking into making my own verapamil topical. All stretching is done after injections now. I'm also hanging some on the off-days.

Good on all points in my opinion. Please keep us up to date on your home made verapamil cream.

 

[spinner2]

FUCK. Injection didn't work again. A lot more bleeding than usual and a lot of pain now. Injected 5-6mcg with no response. I'm getting pretty frustrated with this.

 

[PenilePersist]

FUCK. Injection didn't work again. A lot more bleeding than usual and a lot of pain now. Injected 5-6mcg with no response. I'm getting pretty frustrated with this.

Fascinatingly strange. My condolences. I have never heard of this before for any injection reason nor for any chem pe reasons. I do wonder if it has to do with your injector AND OR your injection location AND OR your injection technique which may or may not be linked to the injector.

I think this is the auto injector that I previously found: Kineret® - SimpleJect® Auto-Injector .

Please describe, maybe again, in as much detail as possible, your observations for what you mean by how the injection is not working and yet how simultaneously you are drawing blood.

 

[goldmember]

If you do decide to apply DHT, I would suggest a twice weekly application instead of everyday. 3-5 grams of Andractim (75-125mg DHT) twice weekly should be a good dose. Keeping the transdermal applications spaced out allows the pores to open up again. Everyday application will greatly reduce how much can pass through.

Also, you may want to get in touch with somebody who is having this procedure done professionally and have them show you in person how to inject. There might be a critical piece of information you are neglecting.

 

[sikdogg]

FUCK. Injection didn't work again. A lot more bleeding than usual and a lot of pain now. Injected 5-6mcg with no response. I'm getting pretty frustrated with this.

The only thing i can think of that would cause you this problem is that you are either not penetrating the tunica or going too deep and injecting possibly into the septum. The latter would also explain why you are having trouble pushing the plunger on the syringe.

 

[sikdogg]

Fascinatingly strange. My condolences. I have never heard of this before for any injection reason nor for any chem pe reasons. I do wonder if it has to do with your injector AND OR your injection location AND OR your injection technique which may or may not be linked to the injector.

I think this is the auto injector that I previously found: Kineret® - SimpleJect® Auto-Injector .

Please describe, maybe again, in as much detail as possible, your observations for what you mean by how the injection is not working and yet how simultaneously you are drawing blood.

The simpleJect is very similar to the Autoject2 that i posted a link to on page 2 of this thread. I like the Autoject2 better because it was designed to be used with all sorts of syringes unlike the SimpleJect which is designed for pre-filled glass syringes.

 

[sikdogg]

There's a poster on �other forum� (ticktickticker) who says absorption into the bloodstream would happen quickly, and this would be useless. Perhaps an erection could help prevent this. He's a doctor, obviously well informed, and very supportive of the use of drugs for Penis Enlargement. Maybe subcutaneous injections would be the solution. I'm going to PM him later concerning this.

Sub-q injections would work better but the problem is that when you inject sub-q, you are only applying the drug at the local injection site. If you inject DHT sub-q, it is not going to be applied uniformly around both the CC like applying a transderm would. In order for sub-q shots to work, you would have to do several shots all around the penile shaft.

 

[spinner2]

I might have injected too deep. I'm feeling pain through the entire septum, so that would make some sense. I'm still not quite sure what to do about this.

 

[sikdogg]

I might have injected too deep. I'm feeling pain through the entire septum, so that would make some sense. I'm still not quite sure what to do about this.

Try getting yourself ~25-30% erect before injecting... That should help to prevent you from going too deep.

 

[spinner2]

Do you grab the head with thumb and forefinger to stretch while injecting? I've stopped doing this, and may start again.

 

[sikdogg]

Yes but i stretch it only enough to straighten it... i don't actually stretch the tissues. I also use the palm of my stretching hand to support the shaft while i inject.

 

[dogsdoodahs]

It's all a learning curve for me too.
I find that if I stretch first and then inject, I get a much weaker response.

The Andractim comes with a prostate testing kit.
2 x 80g tubes gives you 42 weeks supply if you inject 3 times a week, so not expensive.

I always get a semi before injection, this avoids hitting the septum.
The needle sticks out 11mm from the auto injector.

I use an alcohol swab to apply pressure for a few minutes after injection, there is always a small amount of blood at the site sometimes a small bruise.
I inject about 1/4" lower every time and alternate left and right side.
Avoiding veins I suppose I have about 10 or 12 different injection sites.
Whether this injecting will lead to scarring or Peyronies I don't know, hope not.

 

[spinner2]

I've got multiple injection sites. I'm also using DMSO and POTABA, so hopefully fibrosis isn't an issue. I've had no luck on verapamil so far.

Thought it over and I'm not super concerned about injecting the septum right now. I figure it'll be totally useless for girth, but I'm more concerned about length. I think PGE-1 injections in the septum would be better for length than CC injections. Not that I plan on injecting the septum on purpose, because it hurts waaay more than usual injections.

Took a break today for homework. Stretching now, and injecting again tomorrow.

 

[sikdogg]

I don't think fibrosis will be an issue... i was talking to a guy from another board that had been injecting PGE1 for years as treatment for his ED and he hasn't experienced any fibrosis.

You don't want to shoot into the septum as the septum is the junction between the two CC chambers... it is the point where the tunica of both chambers touch. Injecting into it would be a waste...

 

[spinner2]

Thanks for the tips. I paid a lot more attention to how I was holding the autoinjector, and got a semi before I injected. The process was easy and painless, without a drop of blood.

 

[dogsdoodahs]

I don't think fibrosis will be an issue... i was talking to a guy from another board that had been injecting PGE1 for years as treatment for his ED and he hasn't experienced any fibrosis.
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Yes I also read this on a male Impotence site. Some men have been injecting many times a week for years before sex.
I also read of some guys taking PABA and Bromelian to help prevent plaques so I am going to order some of that as it is quite cheap.

I was exchanging e-mails with a couple of guys that have been injecting Trimix for years before having sex and they told me they have not gained any size since starting the injections.