Important Newbie Question!!
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Wow, that's gonna take some serious self control. Am I allowed to cum at all after doing that, or do I keep it in until I gain the size? O:
I think I had gotten there right before I stopped. It was weird because, the day before, I was only able to withstand 460g without it feeling uncomfortable. Then my tolerance level just jumped. I guess I stopped digging right before I hit the gold..
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I'll try my best even though it's extremely tempting. XDwakingdream;613115 said:
Thank you, waking dream. Very encouraging.
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Golden Crotch;613122 said:
After a good girth workout there is nothing wrong with shooting one off. I always do this and after I shoot off I get a good 5-10 minutes of basic stretching in to take advantage of the fatigued state the penis is in after orgasm.
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That's a relief. :blush:doublelongdaddy;613363 said:
So is that the general principle for gains in length? When fatigued is always the best time to stretch?
Also, I did some jelqing today for the first time. I only did 50 because I just wanted to get myself familiar with the motion and feeling. I gotta say, it did wonders for my EQ. Is that why most people jelq after stretching? I mean right after my jelq session, I went from Mr. Limpy to Mr. Iron within a matter of seconds. :cool:
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Golden Crotch;613449 said:
I would assume so, but I will let DLD to back get you on that.
I do it regardless. As long as I'm not injured or am trying to retain EQ.
I know w/ hanging it's advised to push through fatigue. That's all you really hear anymore.
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Oh yeah, that reminds me of another thing I wanted to ask. How can I know when a pain inside my penis is an indication of damage/injury vs fatigue?smerc;613452 said:
Being a newbie here, you can imagine that when I search up "penis enlargement or jelqing" on wikipedia.org, the very statement of them saying that stuff like this can permanently damage the blood vessels would make me proceed with caution.
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Most are things you generally report back on the forums, about how you feel.
I never really had an injury, just numbness. So I can't tell you how one feels in the penis.
Before the numbness there was a sting that felt like it went all the way up my dorsal nerve. I stopped immediately and the numbness kept for a few days.
Any type of stinging, tearing feeling (not to be mistaken by skin stretching in some cases), or mass throbbing of nerves.
I never heard of any jelqing problems other than discolorations, red dots, more prominent veins, and bruising.
You don't want numbness or to tear your tunica. Numbness can take time to heal, sometimes months, and sometimes not @ all.
Tunica tears don't repair themselves from what I read (if you keep doing PE). Some could if it's not that big and not PE related (IE: you keep pulling @ stuff).
A large enough tear can cause plaque (peyronie's) and a large enough tear in a shitty position/place can cause a penis bend.
Fatigue for me is like an ache in the penis and there is one in the ligs as well. There can also be residual soreness which I can quite a bit.
People have different interpretations of fatigue and some don't even reach it (during/after). I also classify exhaustion as fatigue as well (more of an after PE thing I guess).
I never really had an injury, just numbness. So I can't tell you how one feels in the penis.
Before the numbness there was a sting that felt like it went all the way up my dorsal nerve. I stopped immediately and the numbness kept for a few days.
Any type of stinging, tearing feeling (not to be mistaken by skin stretching in some cases), or mass throbbing of nerves.
I never heard of any jelqing problems other than discolorations, red dots, more prominent veins, and bruising.
You don't want numbness or to tear your tunica. Numbness can take time to heal, sometimes months, and sometimes not @ all.
Tunica tears don't repair themselves from what I read (if you keep doing PE). Some could if it's not that big and not PE related (IE: you keep pulling @ stuff).
A large enough tear can cause plaque (peyronie's) and a large enough tear in a shitty position/place can cause a penis bend.
Fatigue for me is like an ache in the penis and there is one in the ligs as well. There can also be residual soreness which I can quite a bit.
People have different interpretations of fatigue and some don't even reach it (during/after). I also classify exhaustion as fatigue as well (more of an after PE thing I guess).
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So what do you think you did wrong that caused the sting, leading to the numbness? Are those too be worried about if I get them from jelqing, and what causes them in the first place?
Holy crap. How can I know if I'm on the verge of tearing? Like what kind of pain should I pay attention to while stretching/exercising my penis?
Well, I did have an ache, and it was kinda painful to be erect, so I assume that's what fatigue should feel like?
Oh, another thing I wanted to ask. I remember you saying, you're supposed to shoot for .5 past your goal. Is that for length and girth? Or is it different for girth?
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Golden Crotch;613474 said:
Bad attachment w/ hanging.
I never had it from jelqing, but I don't jelq anymore. You might get a slight numbness after jelqing. You're really working your shaft w/ nerve responses and they could become overworked after a routine.
Golden Crotch;613474 said:
Those layers are pretty tough. Usually that type of shit happens while erect. It's more of a rupture.
Golden Crotch;613474 said:
I never had pain when getting erection that was attributed to PE.
Where was the pain at (just below the head?)? What exercises were you doing? Was it the jelqs?
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So how do other guys avoid this? I really wanna do jelqing because of the girth benefits.
I guess that might explain my slight curve after wearing the PM for all these weeks.. There were times when I would keep getting erect while wearing it.
I got the pain from using my extender. That was the same time I had measured myself and I appeared to be smaller. DLD said it was fatigue, but I wanted to be sure. See, what exactly happened was. I was using my extender, and I kinda did some kegels while wearing it, because I was tense about something at the time. I also had the pull force like 500g above what I normally have it on, but there was no discomfort whatsoever. Then what I took the device off, I had a hard flaccid. The next day, I couldn't get erect as quickly, and the erections were kinda painful.
The jelqs I did yesterday actually alleviated this, and my erection came back with less pain.
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My thoughts exactly. Which is why I'm gathering so much info on the risks/pros of different stretching/excersises before I make my next move.tkto;613475 said:
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. How did that happen?
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I noticed another thing about my penis after using the penimaster for those several weeks. It slightly sticks out at the ligaments when 70-80% flaccid. It doesn't seem to just drop straight down unless it's really small flaccid. Is that normal after using an extender?
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Golden Crotch;613564 said:
Proper warmups. Paying attention to your penis and how it reacts during/after. Making sure no sharp internal pains are being triggered.
Eventually you're just going to have to give in.
Golden Crotch;613564 said:
Not sure what you mean by this in reference to my quote. Erections w/ vac extenders are nothing to worry about. The phallosan w/ it's belt might be a different story.
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Golden Crotch;613564 said:
Usually things go back to normal within a few days in the PE game. Post back here if they ever don't.
It could had been a blister below the glans and under the skin if it was in a targeted area. Not sure why else that would cause pain.
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Golden Crotch;613650 said:
Sorry I missed this.
You're referring to your erection angle correct?
My erection angle usually stays the same.
Are you extending @ a certain position?
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jordey;613658 said:
Ok, that's what I thought. I just got kinda worried because I saw in another thread where someone posted a guys schlong and it looked exactly like the way mine does when when in that erect/flaccid state. They were talking about peyronie's disease looked like.
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Alright, but when you say "give in" what do you mean exactly?smerc;613662 said:
Well, since you mentioned tunica tearing, and peyronie's causing a curve, I kinda thought that I might have a slight case of that, but my curve is more of a twist. I think I just made a mistake here. My penis looks kinda twisted to the right because of the way I used to masturbate with my left hand, and I was also thinking (based on what you were saying about the tunica tearing) that maybe I did something while wearing the device to make it twist a little bit more. Of course, all of this could've just been in my head and nothing more.
So fatigue shouldn't cause any kind of ache when erect?
Yeah, I actually meant to say 70-80% erect. Basically when it's engorged, but not hard. I've been extending straight out.
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Golden Crotch;613687 said:
"Give in". Just meaning to attempt things rather than speculate on all the possibilities of injury to the point where you might not put in enough intensity to achieve gains. Yes we have to take precautions. Especially since this is our penis and we can't afford an injury.
Golden Crotch;613687 said:
We create microtears over time. It's a part of deformation and growth aside from having your cells mold/divide to a new stretched state. What you don't want is a macrotear (I should had went into detail on "tearing" in my earlier posts). This is what creates the scar tissue to the point where it can plaque up and can eventually create a bend in the penis.
The device should fix a bend overtime due to the reopening or dissolving of plaques within the tissue(s). The elongation in a stretched state is the key principle on why it helps in that way.
Some peoples bends don't get fixed. Some people use topicals along w/ elongation and they still don't get fixed. It really depends on the bend itself and the state of scar tissue(if any) that reside near the bend.
Golden Crotch;613687 said:
Where was the ache? You said pain before and now you're saying ache.
I see aches more as a dull pain and then there's a sting or nerve type pain. They can also be aches as well. Really helps to pinpoint where the ache/pain thingymajig is happening.
Golden Crotch;613687 said:
Extending against your erection angle could cause a change overtime. I never had this happen, but people have alluded to it.
Jelqing against your erection angle is usually the go to move for bend fixing.
Then there are topicals and pumping.
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Golden Crotch;613449 said:
Yes, in my opinion the best time to stretch is right after orgasm as the penis is too tired to resist the intensity. I follow a girth workout followed by ejaculation followed by stretching on most days.
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