Golden Crotch

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Guys, I'm getting really discouraged with my extender. Sometimes after a days work, I'll measure myself, and I would appear smaller! :(

I'm thinking of just switching to doing exercises, and stretches, but I was wondering.. Do the exercises and stretches give permanent gains, or do you
have to constantly do them throughout your lifetime in order to maintain gains from them?
 
Give a read through SRT .

In short. Use both extending and stretching. Do manual stretches first, then hopefully you're at your max BPFSL so you can wear the extender.

No you don't have to PE for the rest of your life. It's talked about that you should do PE up until you reach around .5" over your goals, as this would help cement your gains.
 
Golden Crotch;612534 said:
Guys, I'm getting really discouraged with my extender. Sometimes after a days work, I'll measure myself, and I would appear smaller! :(

I'm thinking of just switching to doing exercises, and stretches, but I was wondering.. Do the exercises and stretches give permanent gains, or do you
have to constantly do them throughout your lifetime in order to maintain gains from them?

Don't give up on something that will bring great gains, what is the issues you are having so we can help you fix the problem? Most men go through a learning period when they get the SizeGenetics and it does take practice to master it but once you do it is a incredible way to gain length.
 
doublelongdaddy;612560 said:
Don't give up on something that will bring great gains, what is the issues you are having so we can help you fix the problem? Most men go through a learning period when they get the SizeGenetics and it does take practice to master it but once you do it is a incredible way to gain length.
Well, as I mentioned in my other thread, I'm using the Penimaster Pro. Here are some of my concerns:

1. Ever since I started using the penimaster, my glans has gone from my more favorable, rounded head-shape to a cone-like shape. Should I worry about this?

2. Last night after taking the device off (after 6 hours of use) my penis was kinda hard while in it's flaccid state. This kinda worried me, though it subsided a few minutes
later. But that never happened before. Also, as I mentioned earlier, I felt like measuring in my erect state just to see if maybe my increase in pull force might be a sign
of some gains. But when I looked, it measured less than when I started PE! It's back to normal now, but after that I'm kinda scared that this thing will shrink my dick. :/

3. I've been looking through different PE forums, for some progress stories for the penimaster, e.g. here, �other forum�, and pegym, but I have yet to find any that seems trustworthy. This is another thing that's really discouraging me.

4. I'm kinda concerned that I might have early signs of fluid build up --> View attachment 29662

Not sure if you can see it well on that pic, but basically it looks like a little bump right before my corona. At first I thought this was maybe tunica growth, but I just need to be sure.


Can you give me some tips as to how I should go about this? Like, maybe a suggested regimen to follow combining stretching, jelqing and the penimaster? I wanted to use the penimaster device alone, but I'm thinking now that it might be more effective to use the device along with the penis workouts.



Also, I'm not familiar with all of the acronyms you guys use, so I'd like some help in that department as well.
 
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smerc;612558 said:
Give a read through SRT .

In short. Use both extending and stretching. Do manual stretches first, then hopefully you're at your max BPFSL so you can wear the extender.

No you don't have to PE for the rest of your life. It's talked about that you should do PE up until you reach around .5" over your goals, as this would help cement your gains.
I did, but I can't afford all of the equipment right now. I need a regimen that I can just follow with my penimaster, and stretches, jelqs.. etc. Also, what's BPFSL? I am so unfamiliar with the acronyms you guys use. Lol

Oh ok, that's good news! But I did see on SRT where DLD lost some gains due to wearing tight underwear.. Will I lose gains if my morning wood is tight against my pants, or if I sleep with my little guy in a tight position? o.o
 
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Golden Crotch;612640 said:
I did, but I can't afford all of the equipment right now. I need a regimen that I can just follow with my penimaster, and stretches, jelqs.. etc.

Was meaning just the basics of what you have. The manuals/extending portion and whatever else that doesn't cost $$$ (until you get time/$$$ for that stuff).
 
smerc;612649 said:
Was meaning just the basics of what you have. The manuals/extending portion and whatever else that doesn't cost $$$ (until you get time/$$$ for that stuff).
Do you think I could still reach my goal with just the PM Pro and manual exercises? I think I wanna go a little over 8" so I can have concrete gains as you said.

So let's say I wanted to be like 7.5". Does that mean that if I stop at gaining up to 8" that more than likely my penis will shrink down to 7.5" and the 7.5" will then be permanent?
 
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I've also noticed that my EQ isn't as good since my last extending day with the PM Pro. I decided to take a break of 2 days. Do you think that's enough, or should I wait a little longer?

Also, is it normal for your testicles to feel cold after extending? Today I felt my testicle skin, and it feels kinda crusty. What's up with that?
 
Golden Crotch;612676 said:
I've also noticed that my EQ isn't as good since my last extending day with the PM Pro. I decided to take a break of 2 days. Do you think that's enough, or should I wait a little longer?

Also, is it normal for your testicles to feel cold after extending? Today I felt my testicle skin, and it feels kinda crusty. What's up with that?

When you are feeling fatigue I suggest you keep on stretching as this is when you can make the best length gains. Yes, poor eq sucks but this type of fatigue allows us to stretch the penis with little to no resistance from the pelvic floor muscles. If you plan sex around eq and you can time it just right you can have excellent eq when needed but take advantage of the time when you are fatigued to get the extra stretching in.
 
Golden Crotch;612674 said:
Do you think I could still reach my goal with just the PM Pro and manual exercises? I think I wanna go a little over 8" so I can have concrete gains as you said.

So let's say I wanted to be like 7.5". Does that mean that if I stop at gaining up to 8" that more than likely my penis will shrink down to 7.5" and the 7.5" will then be permanent?

You could revert back .5", less, or more. It really depends on how your body adapts to the changes/stresses.

Some people gain up to 1.0-1.5" and some more w/ just extending/manuals. What are your current numbers?
 
smerc;612843 said:
You could revert back .5", less, or more. It really depends on how your body adapts to the changes/stresses.

Some people gain up to 1.0-1.5" and some more w/ just extending/manuals. What are your current numbers?
I'm about 5.5" length, and 4.7" girth. And apparently according to the LOT theory, I'm a hard-gainer.
 
Whaaaaaaaaaaat? I wish you had told me that sooner. XD I took a whole 2 days off for nothing!

Ok, I trust you DLD. I was kinda worried because I did some involuntary kegels while wearing the device (I was kinda tense about something at the time). So I thought maybe I injured myself, by doing them, because afterward I got hard flaccid. But should I always work through this type of fatigue? How do I know when it's too serious to work through?

Also, please consider my other post, DLD. Do you think I might have some early signs of bad fluid build up? I'm really not sure I want to continue with the PM Pro. This thing seems to be deforming my glans head. I miss my old shape.. :(

Do you think a head piece from the SizeGenetics would be compatible with the rest of the PM rod extender?
 
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Ok, smerc and DLD. I've been thinking about doing these manual routines every day until I can get enough money for a different extender: JP's 90 Day routine + Newbie Routine + bigbedu's routine that gave him some pretty good size = 30 min jelq in the morning, PC routine (need a reference for this one), and 30 min jelq at night. Do you think this would be effective for some serious, permanent gains? Also, would the above be too much jelqing? Lol I ask about this too, because I wanna make sure I don't go at it too hard and end up injuring myself.


Oh, more questions come to mind:

What is the ideal time limit on warming up before and after sets while using an extender? And how important is it to warm up while using one.. like what would happen if I don't?

Since much of bodybuilding and PE principles are very relatable, do you think foods that are especially good for the penis would help with gains?
 
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You really only need the Newbie Routine from here. Not sure about the other routine.

The whole routine takes around 18-21minutes (depending if you leave cranks out).

Too much jelqing? That really depends. I would give it a go and see how your penis responds.
If you're doing that much jelqing. I would throw in some edging along side of it.

You can do 2 manual stretch routines (1x morning, 1x ETC time) and space out your girth routine or do that later in the day.

If you have problems applying the extender after girth work, then I would probably do that @ another time (the girth work).
What you want is a manual stretch routine, extender throughout the day (@ work/ETC), then a mixed routine(length/girth), then extender until bed.

Later on I would invest in a BM and do the sets in the SRT.

Some days you might mix/match one for the other (length/girth).

Just do a routine that naturally flows throughout the day and w/ your life. There is nothing worse than being frustrated and not wanting to do a workout because you hate it, you may eventually slack off and not do it altogether (= no gains).

I think targeting 1 thing after a while until you see that it works is crucial. It's better to get motivation from that rather than someone elses gains on a forum.

This will help w/ figuring out what your penis can take and the residual impacts on EQ or just injuries in general.
Nobody can really say that x number of blahblah can will cause an injury. You just have to gauge yourself and see what you can handle.

There are exercises that can be more prone to injuries though in small and large quantities done. I don't hear much about people doing large quantities of jelqs and injuring themselves. There is a waiting game though if you do injure yourself, so don't go back into a routine immediately if this happens. Post on here w/ the problem and how it happened and someone might get back to you w/ a similar experience.

What is the ideal time limit on warming up before and after sets while using an extender? And how important is it to warm up while using one.. like what would happen if I don't?

Ideal time: After your manual routine would suffice. You're mainly wanting to stretch everything out so you can reach your max BPFSL inside the extender. However you get to this point is up to you.

I believe that it's important, but there could be others that disagree or just don't even take part in warm ups/downs. Again, if you're able to reach your max BPFSL, then just go w/ whatever makes you reach it, even if you don't have to do any type of warmups.

What happens if you don't? You save time and you might not reach your max BPFSL.

Will it cause an injury? I have yet to see any correlations to not warming up/down to injuries. It really depends on how intensive the workouts are. If there was a widespread issue of not warming up and causing injuries as a result of it (lack of warmup), then there would be shit plastered all over the forum about it. It's really just speculation from what I see. There is sufficient evidence that heat helps collagen fibers and also makes them more pliable, other then that it's really specific to the person.


I think a good diet is good (as far as a fat pad goes and erection quality). There can be blood born/hormonal/neurological issues related to EQ. A bad diet can cause each of these.

I include supplementation w/ diet and not just foods. Just foods having an impact on PE routines/growth? That's really debatable. There are so many macro/micro nutrients that can play a role in overall growth. I think you should work on your diet though if you were ever debating on fixing this part of your life. Hopefully someone w/ more knowledge on the topic might post here w/ more information. Will you not see that extra inch because you're eating junk everyday? No, PE is a long process and you will get those nutrients overtime to repair/build what's needed.
 
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You really only need the Newbie Routine from here. Not sure about the other routine.
So just the Newbie routine, and not JP's 90-day one? If I did the newbie routine alone (no extender and nothing else), would that give me some great permanent gains?


Too much jelqing? That really depends. I would give it a go and see how your penis responds.
If you're doing that much jelqing. I would throw in some edging along side of it.
What's edging?


What you want is a manual stretch routine, extender throughout the day (@ work/ETC), then a mixed routine(length/girth), then extender until bed.
Okay, but let's say I drop the extender for now. Would just doing manuals produce some good, permanent results?


There are exercises that can be more prone to injuries though in small and large quantities done. I don't hear much about people doing large quantities of jelqs and injuring themselves. There is a waiting game though if you do injure yourself, so don't go back into a routine immediately if this happens. Post on here w/ the problem and how it happened and someone might get back to you w/ a similar experience.
I feel like you and DLD are contradicting each other here. He's saying to work through fatigue for better gains, or did I misunderstand him? Is there a difference between fatigue and injury? I thought I had injured myself when my EQ plummeted, ...but I guess I didn't?


I believe that it's important, but there could be others that disagree or just don't even take part in warm ups/downs. Again, if you're able to reach your max BPFSL, then just go w/ whatever makes you reach it, even if you don't have to do any type of warmups.

What happens if you don't? You save time and you might not reach your max BPFSL.
What does BPFSL stand for?
 
Golden Crotch;612955 said:
What's edging?
It's like masturbating to around an 8-9, before you're about to cum. It's just when you're most likely @ you're MAX EQ. A lot of people see girth gains just from this alone (edging).


Golden Crotch;612955 said:
Okay, but let's say I drop the extender for now. Would just doing manuals produce some good, permanent results?
Golden Crotch;612955 said:
So just the Newbie routine, and not JP's 90-day one? If I did the newbie routine alone (no extender and nothing else), would that give me some great permanent gains?

You can look @ both. I haven't looked @ JP's routine since a few years. I think they're pretty much the same. DLD's being older and has been revised a few times?

I would stick w/ the basic manual routine. I think it's the same across the boards.

People can go far w/ gains w/ just manuals. Just depends on dedication.
I can't really answer the other. Some people don't go far w/ certain things in terms of gains. Some have to do more experienced exercises like hanging.
I think if you stay dedicated and stick w/ the manuals, you will see something. Depends on what you mean by good.

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Golden Crotch;612955 said:
I feel like you and DLD are contradicting each other here. He's saying to work through fatigue for better gains, or did I misunderstand him? Is there a difference between fatigue and injury? I thought I had injured myself when my EQ plummeted, ...but I guess I didn't?

They're not the same in PE. Fatigue is more of a symptom, an injury is an action which results in inflammation/bleeding/scar tissue formation(peyronies plaque)/urology bills/ETC.

You just experienced fatigue through exhaustion.
Working through fatigue means just that. Almost like exercising when you're sore the next day. Sometimes you get sore during a workout and don't want to complete those last 2 reps, but you stick it out.

Golden Crotch;612955 said:
What does BPFSL stand for?

Bone pressed flaccid stretch length or just FSL(flaccid stretch length). It's just you pulling @ the head and seeing what your flaccid length is.
It really doesn't matter which one it is, you just want your max flaccid stretched length. Otherwise, you would just put on the extender w/ no tension.
The tension you set your extender to will take care of the rest.
 
It's like masturbating to around an 8-9, before you're about to cum. It's just when you're most likely @ you're MAX EQ. A lot of people see girth gains just from this alone (edging).
Good deal. But when you say to around 8-9, do you mean stopping 8-9 times before I cum?


Bone pressed flaccid stretch length or just FSL(flaccid stretch length). It's just you pulling @ the head and seeing what your flaccid length is.
It really doesn't matter which one it is, you just want your max flaccid stretched length. Otherwise, you would just put on the extender w/ no tension.
So what you're saying is if I don't warm up, it's best to use the extender with no tension?



Btw, thanks for answering my other questions. It helped a lot! Knowing my analytical mind though, I'll probably have more within a day or maybe even in the next few hours. Lol
 
Golden Crotch;612978 said:
So what you're saying is if I don't warm up, it's best to use the extender with no tension?

Strating out light and progressively working up to your maximum strength would be considered a good warmup, this is how I warm up.
 
Golden Crotch;612978 said:
Good deal. But when you say to around 8-9, do you mean stopping 8-9 times before I cum?


I mean 8-9 on a where you're about to cum level.

Golden Crotch;612978 said:
So what you're saying is if I don't warm up, it's best to use the extender with no tension?

Btw, thanks for answering my other questions. It helped a lot! Knowing my analytical mind though, I'll probably have more within a day or maybe even in the next few hours. Lol


No. You need tension. Otherwise you wouldn't be extending. People recommend around the 900-1100g mark.
 
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