Circulation at heavier weights

It's not the standard [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words] wrap, it's the sport wrap which is a bit thinner and has a velcro attachment at the end which makes securing the wrap much easier than using tape.

I will be paying close attention to where the load is felt during my sets to make sure that I have this right. Am I correct in thinking that the head should receive very little to no pressure from the hanger or any of the load?
 
million,

>Am I correct in thinking that the head should receive very little to no pressure from the hanger or any of the load?<

That is correct. At most, the shoulders of the head should take load, but mainly shaft further down. At very high weights, the shoulders take a good bit. I could always feel when I did not have the hanger tight enough, or placed correctly, and the head would begin to take the stress.

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I'm wondering if I have had the hanger too tight for my last few sessions. I'll start the session and the head will have no stress but then there is blood flow into the head and it stays there, but it's not direct pressure from the hanger as the stress is on the shoulders. So what do I need to do so that the blood flow doesn't cause my head to have pressure or bruise?
 
million,

>I'm wondering if I have had the hanger too tight for my last few sessions. I'll start the session and the head will have no stress but then there is blood flow into the head and it stays there, but it's not direct pressure from the hanger as the stress is on the shoulders. So what do I need to do so that the blood flow doesn't cause my head to have pressure or bruise?<

I am probably not understanding the question. Do you mean the later sets have more pressure on the head? Do you mean your head fills with blood while the hanger and weight are attached?

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It seems to fill with a bit of blood during the start of each set, because when I set the hanger the head is soft and pliable, but I check maybe five minutes later and the head is hard and not very pliable. I've noticed that if the hanger is very tight that it seems to give me a "bolt" of excitement, and I think this maybe because my circ scar is extremely sensitive and if the hanger is very tight then it's squeezing the circ scar and that's where the blood comes from. It also feels like I'm trying to get wood at the beginning of the set, and I think it's because of the pressure on the scar. What do you think I should do, or is it an alteration of the hanger settings in order?
 
I am having similar trouble with the skin coming up over my wrap. It's killing me. I couldn't finish what I've been able to in the past with ease. This is the second time it's happened. My skin is so fat on the underside from the skin spilling over. I have massive discoloration as well. How far up the shaft begin your wrap millionman? I've tried moving the wrap up after each set or two. I started to use a heating pad during workouts to maybe alleviate the pain and get rid of any swelling, but it has only made the skin a bit more sensitive it seems.
 
IWANT8, what do you mean that the skin comes over the wrap? Does it look like what happened in the pics I took, where the wrap is coming over onto the head?

As far as the discoloration I have tightened my wrap a good bit, so not it's a very solid base for the hanger to sit on. I also brought the hex nuts in just a little bit, and not there's no pressure on the head but on the shoulders. I'm still trying to find out why my head still has blood flow into it and that's where the pressure comes from, so I'm hoping BIB can help with that.

BIB, how much further up the shaft should the wrap be places when hanging over 12 lbs? I haven't really ventured over that weight except for 15 lbs for a set or two about a month back, but that was before I made the adjustments. I'm trying to get into a consitent routine, wrapping consitently, and placing the hanger consitently. It's been a new and different experience. I think one of the issues I am still having to deal with is how far the hex nuts should be and how tight the top gap should be comparatively. How should I determine this?
 
What I mean is that there is a part of skin starting above the circ scar and ending almost halfway down the shaft that spills out over the wrap. The skin gets bunched up outside the wrap, rubs against the wrap and head, and adding the pressure from the weight the skin becomes discolored and raw. It's like a fat lip sort of on the underside of my shaft, which is raw and burns while I hang. It happens after the first two sets usually and today it happened after the first set. I'm thinking only rest will serve me well. I hate resting because I think I have to work harder to get back to where I was. I'll have to bite the bullet I suppose.
 
I have something similar, as far as the excess skin, and I have more at the bottom and it does tend to "pucker" a bit when the hanger is attached. What I have found though is that if I wrap tightly enough I can kind of sinch it down a bit and not have to worry about this section of skin breaking out in blood spots or with the skin over growing everything else. Does this make sense to you IWANT8 cause I think it may help you if you wrap a bit tighter and check the settings of your hex nuts to see if you are sitting on the shoulders of your penis as opposed to sitting on the head and on this section of skin. This was where I was having a bit of a problem, but now everything seems to be just fine.
 
million,

>It seems to fill with a bit of blood during the start of each set, because when I set the hanger the head is soft and pliable, but I check maybe five minutes later and the head is hard and not very pliable. I've noticed that if the hanger is very tight that it seems to give me a "bolt" of excitement, and I think this maybe because my circ scar is extremely sensitive and if the hanger is very tight then it's squeezing the circ scar and that's where the blood comes from. It also feels like I'm trying to get wood at the beginning of the set, and I think it's because of the pressure on the scar. What do you think I should do, or is it an alteration of the hanger settings in order?<

I do not believe hanger settings, or anything else will help if you are trying to get wood after the hanger is on. For the same reasons the hanger allows circulation, it will also allow you to get a partial wood, and therefore higher head pressure. I went through a bit of the same thing in the beginning, but after a while, my penis learned the difference between work and play.

One thing you might try is loosening the wrap just a bit. Now, I know you are trying the wrap a bit tighter, and that is fine. I am writing about just loosening a bit, especially on the first couple of passes of your wrap. That should allow for return blood flow, and let the blood circulate through the head, and not build up pressure. Hanger tight, wrap loose (relatively).

>BIB, how much further up the shaft should the wrap be places when hanging over 12 lbs?<

Probably none. Unless, once again I am missing the point. When I moved up to around 30 lbs, I would have to move the attachment point a little closer to the base, but not much. This was to give a bit more cushion to the head. I suppose all of this is really dependent on each guy.

>I haven't really ventured over that weight except for 15 lbs for a set or two about a month back, but that was before I made the adjustments. I'm trying to get into a consitent routine, wrapping consitently, and placing the hanger consitently. It's been a new and different experience.<

Woah there! You may be disappointed. About the only thing consistant for me over my hanging career was the inconsistancy of it. I always found myself changing things, due to one thing or another. It was a matter of reviewing the evidence, and trying to make things work the way I wished. Usually, this required simple, small changes.

>I think one of the issues I am still having to deal with is how far the hex nuts should be and how tight the top gap should be comparatively. How should I determine this?<

It is all trial and error. That is all you can do since you do not know if the bottom hex nut adjustments are right until you have the top bolt tightened to see the grip and the top gap. It usually does not take very long to get it right. I always recommend five minute sets during this experimenting stage, until you get it close.


Iwant8,

There could be a couple of things involved in your problem. Both of which I have experienced. You do not have to suffer with this, just experiment.

What I believe is happening, if I understand correctly, is you are getting fluid buildup on the underside of the foreskin. The skin is bulging, becomes very tight while hanging, and is almost a stinging sensation. Is this right?

Naturally,when the hanger and weight is applied the hanger and wrap attempt to move down. Even with good adjustments, and good internal structure grasping, the pressure will still be increased on the skin. Any skin discomfort will be enhanced by this pressure.

For the time being, you may need to take a day or two off, to allow the skin to heal. Then, come back and try the advice below.

First, how tight, and what kind of wrap are you using? I tried a couple of different types of wrap that were not elastic enough, did not allow for circulation, and made the pressure on the underside foreskin unbearable.

These are the exact things that I did to beat the problem. First, while the skin was sensative at all, I would use a small piece, 2"x6", of sweat shirt material as my first pass of wrap. While not elastic, this small piece of comfortable material will give, because it cannot become tight.

Each time the hanger is attached, and the weight applied, the force downward caused the area in front of the wrap, toward the head, to swell a bit. If the front passes of the wrap cannot give, then the pressure builds up even higher. If the first pass or so is a small piece of SS material, when the pressure is applied, and the area in front of the wrap swells, the material slides across itself, and the pressure does not build. Did that make any sense?

Next, I would use Theraband for the rest of my wrap, starting about a half inch down the SS wrap. The first couple of passes of Theraband would be very loose, and as I spiralled down, would become slightly tighter with each pass.

The next thing that helps with this is hanger adjustment. Several times when I had the underside foreskin swelling, I found that the hanger was gripping too tightly on the bottom chamber. The hanger is designed to put pressure on the top sides of the two major chambers, and almost none on the bottom chamber.

I would wrap for upper shaft and head expansion, and from time to time, found the the bottom of my hanger had become too tight. So be sure to check that.

Finally, during my hanging for maintanence stage, while I was also doing extreme Ulis, I had to fight the underside foreskin thing. The girth work just naturally made the skin more sensative, and caused some swelling. This area would suffer because of it.

Hope this helps,

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Iwant8,

I forgot to add, using a good Vit E lotion will help sooth the skin, and help it heal.

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BIB, the hanger is supposed to grip the entire shaft correct? I've been messing with the hex nuts and I have noticed if they're too close it feels like the sides are being pushed inwards toward the middle of the shaft, and the top bolt comes in closer contact with the wrap. I've readjusted out a bit and it encloses all the way around the shaft, and sits right on the shoulders of the glans. I'm still having a bit of excitement problems, but I'm getting over it. Do I have my settings correct? The hanger encircles the entire shaft, sits on the shoulders, and the wrap stays on the shaft. This sound good to you?

Also the glans isn't holding near as much blood since I've loosened up the grip on the top bolt, it just needed a bit more room to circulate, at least I think that's what it was. Let me know your thoughts, thanks BIB.
 
BIB, I have noticed that as I get into the sets my head seems to hold more blood than when I first start. Should I take a longer rest breaj between sets, instead of five minutes make it ten?
 
million,

>BIB, the hanger is supposed to grip the entire shaft correct?<

I don't know what this means. Are you referring to the entire length of the shaft? That would depend on how long your shaft was, and which hanger you have.

>I've been messing with the hex nuts and I have noticed if they're too close it feels like the sides are being pushed inwards toward the middle of the shaft, and the top bolt comes in closer contact with the wrap.<

That sounds exactly right. If the adjustments are too close in, the shaft will ride up in the shaft well, and come close, or even tough the top bolt. Not good.

>I've readjusted out a bit and it encloses all the way around the shaft, and sits right on the shoulders of the glans. I'm still having a bit of excitement problems, but I'm getting over it. Do I have my settings correct? The hanger encircles the entire shaft, sits on the shoulders, and the wrap stays on the shaft. This sound good to you?<

That sounds correct, as long as you are able to tighten enough to hang the amount of weight you wish.

>Also the glans isn't holding near as much blood since I've loosened up the grip on the top bolt, it just needed a bit more room to circulate, at least I think that's what it was. Let me know your thoughts, <

The top teeth may have been constricting dorsal vein draining the head.

>BIB, I have noticed that as I get into the sets my head seems to hold more blood than when I first start. Should I take a longer rest breaj between sets, instead of five minutes make it ten?<

First, I always tried to take ten minute breaks. Rather, it may have been 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. Not precise, but enough time for the tissues to receive a good dose of oxygen enriched blood. But I doubt that has anything to do with your head swelling in later sets. However, I have no idea why your head would swell more in later sets, so perhaps there is some validity in your theory. I just don't know how that would work.

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What it seemed to be is in the latter sets after my breaks I was having some extra blood in the area, because my breaks weren't long enough and the blood was being pushed forward as the hanger was tightened. I also changed the distance the hanger travels forward, which pushes the blood towards the head, by setting it a liitle bit further up on the wrap instead of having it in the middle back of the wrap. I think that the wrap tightness was an issue as well, and I have gotten it to be a tight wrap but it still gives room for circulation. The hanger had to be adjusted a little bit to give a bit of extra space for ciculation as well, and I'm not tightening down as much in the latter sets and I'm not having as much trouble with it. All in all I think this has been a good experimentation phase for me, and I think I have found what will work for the time being, and hopefully I won't have to hang huge amounts of weight to gain since the 7.5 lbs I'm using now seems to be getting the job done pretty well.
 
million,

>What it seemed to be is in the latter sets after my breaks I was having some extra blood in the area, because my breaks weren't long enough and the blood was being pushed forward as the hanger was tightened. I also changed the distance the hanger travels forward, which pushes the blood towards the head, by setting it a liitle bit further up on the wrap instead of having it in the middle back of the wrap. I think that the wrap tightness was an issue as well, and I have gotten it to be a tight wrap but it still gives room for circulation. The hanger had to be adjusted a little bit to give a bit of extra space for ciculation as well, and I'm not tightening down as much in the latter sets and I'm not having as much trouble with it. All in all I think this has been a good experimentation phase for me, and I think I have found what will work for the time being, and hopefully I won't have to hang huge amounts of weight to gain since the 7.5 lbs I'm using now seems to be getting the job done pretty well.<

All of that sounds really good. You are finding the benefits of experimentation. I always say, my entire hanging career was a great long experiment. I doubt I ever hung for more than a couple weeks in exactly the same way. I always either found something better, or was forced to find something better to provide more stress or more comfort.

Keep up the good work.

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I can see what you mean. I thought that once I got everything "settled" that I would be able to do the same thing over and over, but this is not the case at all. I think it's a lot of fun actually. Sometimes it's a bit boring if there's not much to do, but the results I'm having are tremendous, and the experimentation is fun and it's a different experience almost every session. Thanks for all the help BIB.

How is everything going for you right now? I noticed the last few days last week you weren't around a whole lot.
 
million,

>How is everything going for you right now? I noticed the last few days last week you weren't around a whole lot.<

I went out of town for my mother's 91st birthday. I needed a break.

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WOW, that's cool. How is she doing? Good health, I hope. I had a great aunt who passed a few years ago, she was 97 and was always such a joy to be around. I guess that's why I like being around older people so much, they have lived long and have a lot to share and it's never really a boring time for me.
 
million,

Yes, her health is generally good for 91. Older folks are a fantastic resource. Living history. And most just love to talk, and relate the way things used to be. A shame that many younger folks ignore them.

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Bib, Which is more important: total weight used or length of time? I've been hanging for about an hour, at minimum, at 7.5 and 10 lbs. I use 7.5 for one set and switch to 10 lbs for the next set and repeat it usually once more through or more if time allows. I was wondering if the amount of weight should go up first or if total time should go up?

You've said before that it could be a lb increase a week depending on the amount of weight being used. I'm really just trying to stay in the zone with this, that way I just keep on gaining and possibly gain momentum gaining at a faster rate. That's the dream, but I was really wondering how these two variables play out together, and which would seem to be more important. As far as I can tell there's a correlation between amount of weight and fatigue that would effect total time that is possible.
 
million,

I probably do not understand exactly what you are asking, but I will give it a shot.

I recommend that a guy hangs a small amount of weight, 2-5 lbs to begin, for a couple of sets per day. If that feels ok, he then needs to start adding sets, perhaps one per week, until he is hanging for his available privacy time.

Then, he can begin to move up in weight, but no more than 1-2 lbs per week, until he reaches fatigue within the first set or two of a sesssion. That is his MAX weight. For the rest of his sets of that session, he needs to reduce the weight used, in order to remain comfortable.

When the time comes that the max weight used does not bring on fatigue within the first set or two, he should begin to slowly increase the weight again, until he finds his new MAX weight, which brings on fatigue within the first set or two.

So time and weight are both important. The weight used must be enough to deform the tissues, as evidenced by fatigue. And you must hang for enough time to allow the tissues to deform, and to keep the deformed tissues in the extended state.

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You answered my question perfectly. How do you know when you are fatigued?

What you are saying is that once in the fatigued state you want to stay in that state long enough to ensure the tissues will remain in this state, and this is how progress is made?

Here is what I am currently able to do. My first set as of late has been with 10 lbs. Then to seven lbs, and back to ten and down to seven. Yesterday I wanted to see if I could hang 15lbs for ten minutes at the end of my set and it was probably one of the hardest ten minutes I've had so far, considering that my sets are 20 minutes in length.

What I am thinking now is that I will start today hanging 12.5 lbs. then see if this brings on fatigue, and then drop to ten and possibly stay here or if I need to drop to 7. 5 for the remaining two-three sets. I've been hanging for on average 4 sets a day. I have been experimenting with two sessions, one mid afternoon and some lighter sets in the evening. How does this look in your opinion?

I've been gaining pretty consitently. I measured the other day at 7.5 NBPFSL, and 8.25 BP, this is a bit more than 1/4 of an inch gain since i've started hanging. I really like hanging, since it allows me to do some other things while I'm Penis Enlargementing. I'm thinking that if I up the weight just a bit and can squeeze in a few sets before bed time then I should be able to get to 9" pretty quickly, since the amount of work would be enough to keep the tissues deformed and in the elongated state, but all the while being cautious.
 
million,

>You answered my question perfectly. How do you know when you are fatigued?<

>Yesterday I wanted to see if I could hang 15lbs for ten minutes at the end of my set and it was probably one of the hardest ten minutes I've had so far, considering that my sets are 20 minutes in length.<

I assume your question is answered by your statements about trying to hang 15 lbs. You just had a tough time hanging that 15 lbs, I assume because of fatigue. Right?

I use the term fatigue for a couple of different things. One is the soreness, tiredness in the tissues, that comes from hanging a specific weight. Another is the discomfort that comes from hanging a bit too much weight at any one time. Slight discomfort is OK. As the discomfort increases, you creep closer to injury.

>What you are saying is that once in the fatigued state you want to stay in that state long enough to ensure the tissues will remain in this state, and this is how progress is made?<

Yes, plus to continue to break through limiting factors. After the first limiting factors are broken through, the next limiting factors will probably be a bit easier. A lesser weight will work for them. We are looking for controlled damage. Thousands, if not millions of tiny microtears. No large tears or injuries. I always tried to listen to my body, and go by how I felt. But in general, after reaching fatigue, I would have to reduce the weight for each succeeding set.

>Here is what I am currently able to do. My first set as of late has been with 10 lbs. Then to seven lbs, and back to ten and down to seven. Yesterday I wanted to see if I could hang 15lbs for ten minutes at the end of my set and it was probably one of the hardest ten minutes I've had so far, considering that my sets are 20 minutes in length.<

I have no experience with going up and down like that. It appears that your max weight is somewhere between 10-15 lbs. I would recommend that you try perhaps 12.5 as your starting weight (unless you want a warm-up set at a lesser weight), and then reduce the weight from 12.5 as needed to remain comfortable.

>What I am thinking now is that I will start today hanging 12.5 lbs. then see if this brings on fatigue, and then drop to ten and possibly stay here or if I need to drop to 7. 5 for the remaining two-three sets. I've been hanging for on average 4 sets a day. I have been experimenting with two sessions, one mid afternoon and some lighter sets in the evening. How does this look in your opinion?<

That sounds great. I really did not read your above paragraph before writing my last answer.

>I've been gaining pretty consitently. I measured the other day at 7.5 NBPFSL, and 8.25 BP, this is a bit more than 1/4 of an inch gain since i've started hanging. I really like hanging, since it allows me to do some other things while I'm Penis Enlargementing. I'm thinking that if I up the weight just a bit and can squeeze in a few sets before bed time then I should be able to get to 9" pretty quickly, since the amount of work would be enough to keep the tissues deformed and in the elongated state, but all the while being cautious.<

That sounds great.

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Thanks BIB. I have been tinkering with the amount of weight and total number of sets. It seems that at my current weight I can hang 12.5 for one set and reach fatigue and hang 10 lbs comfortably for the last two-three sets. If I hang in the eveing before bed it's usually best for me to hang at 7.5 lbs. I see what you are saying about fatigue, as the base and the internal structures feel a bit loose while there's also that feeling of being a bit tired. I have been feeling a deeper fatigue as of late since I've adjusted my setup slightly so that my pelvis is pushed forward throughout the set allowing for greater stress to be placed on the internal structures (other than the ligaments). I've changed out my chair as of today, so maybe I can add a set or two without having to take an extended break, as this seat is made of nylon and is much more comfortable to lean back in which I hope will help me to hang at a few different angles from this position. I can point my pelvis up a bit further and hold it comfortable as opposed to having to sit erect throughout the entire set, similar to BTC without having the feet elevated since I usually sit with my feet behind me by the legs of the chair. It should be interesting and I'll see how it goes and report back.
 
BIB, I am wondering how you keep the excess skin from rolling over the glans? I have a good bit of extra skin as you can see in the pics I posted in this thread and I've grown a bit more and it is getting to where it is close to covering the glans completely and I am a bit concerned about keeping it at bay. Did you have any problems with your extra skin while you were hanging? How does the skin gorwth effect where you place the hanger?

I watched SWMs hanging tutorial video again and I set my hanger about that far back on the wrap and pull forward as he does, but I'm thinking if I tighten the wrap a bit and set the hanger a bit closer to the head this will at least help with this problem. I also have cut another piece of Theraband because the piece I was using did not have an even width throughout, one side had been cut previously, and it's what I've been using but I am changing it out now since I think that's part of the problem with the hanger not having an even surface area to be placed on. Thanks for your help BIB.
 
I also discovered that I have a thrombosed vein. Does this mean I have to take a break, or can I keep on trucking since I'm not doing any erect work. I have no idea how this happened, but it's happened before so I'm not worried or anything, just means I can't get a hard on at all...HAHAHA. I've woken up with a woody every morning since I was 12 so I know that ain't happenin...but I would love to know if it's ok to hang with one, it's not painful at all during the sessions.
 
MM about the excess skin you have,why are you worried about it covering the head,being uncut i'm forced to hang with the head fully covered as its not possible to keep the skin back.
 
million,

>BIB, I am wondering how you keep the excess skin from rolling over the glans? I have a good bit of extra skin as you can see in the pics I posted in this thread and I've grown a bit more and it is getting to where it is close to covering the glans completely and I am a bit concerned about keeping it at bay. Did you have any problems with your extra skin while you were hanging?<

No, I never had any problems with extra skin. In fact, my plan from almost the beginning was to regrow my foreskin, for the advantages of having a foreskin. Mine would always ride over the head when hanging. It is manageable, depending on how much you want.

So now, I have a foreskin that will almost completely cover the head when flaccid. It really does help keep the head moist and safe, and really increases the sensitivity.

>How does the skin gorwth effect where you place the hanger?<

Well, it gives many more options on where to place the hanger, while still being able to stress the inner structures.

>I watched SWMs hanging tutorial video again and I set my hanger about that far back on the wrap and pull forward as he does, but I'm thinking if I tighten the wrap a bit and set the hanger a bit closer to the head this will at least help with this problem.<

Yes, you can do that. But at higher weights, you will probably want to place the hanger closer to the base, grasping the shaft further back, and giving more cushion to the head. That will require more skin. You really have to adjust things to fit your goals and needs.

>I also discovered that I have a thrombosed vein. Does this mean I have to take a break, or can I keep on trucking since I'm not doing any erect work.<

While I had many different things that occured during my Penis Enlargement career, I do not believe I ever had a T vein. At any rate, I never let anything minor slow down my hanging schedule. Sometimes, I would cut back on the intensity, but rarely stopped hanging, except for my bouts of numbness. And that did not take long to recover from.

>I have no idea how this happened, but it's happened before so I'm not worried or anything, just means I can't get a hard on at all...HAHAHA. I've woken up with a woody every morning since I was 12 so I know that ain't happenin...but I would love to know if it's ok to hang with one, it's not painful at all during the sessions.<

I just really do not have the knowledge to answer this effectively. But if there is no pain, I would be hesitant to stop. Do you feel like it will heal while still hanging?

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I don't imagine it effecting my hanging, even if I'm reduced to hanging lighter, but it doesn't cause any issues even when I'm at 12.5 lbs but I'll keep monitoring it and do what I can to ensure the utmost safety.

BIB, I did not know that it was ok for the skin to come over the glans as I associated this with the wrap coming over so I assumed the same rule applied. I want to have a restored Foreskin and I totally agree with you on the benefits of it as I stay mostly covered except for the very end of the head.

Hey Prince Albert, Do you like hanging even though you are uncut? I've heard mixed reviews for it as a lot of guys just aren't patient enough to really learn how to hang in general, but I imagine it's a different ball game if you're uncut.
 
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million,

>BIB, I did not know that it was ok for the skin to come over the glans as I associated this with the wrap coming over so I assumed the same rule applied.<

Well, if you start the wrap at least one inch behind the glans, and are using sufficient weight, then the skin in front of the wrap will ride over the glans, but the wrap will probably not.

The tightness of the hanger, and the amount of weight used, determine how far down the hanger will go, and how much skin will ride over the head. It seems for the majority of my hanging career, I used enough weight to almost always have skin riding over the head while hanging. But the wrap never would.

Also, as I became longer, I moved the start of the wrap, and therefore the hanger placement, gradually back toward the base. This would tend to allow more skin to ride over the head.

>I want to have a restored Foreskin and I totally agree with you on the benefits of it as I stay mostly covered except for the very end of the head.<

As a 48 YO guy, whose head was uncovered for the first 43 years or so of my life, I can tell you it is amazing. The head was truly never designed to be uncovered.

I can see reasons to be circumsized. I suppose there are advantages. But regrowing the skin gives the best of all worlds.

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MM,i gained an inch in the first 6 months of pe from manual stretching and jelqing,then saw no gains for the next year and a half apart from a slight girth gain.

I was at the point of calling it a day when i saw the thread on how to make a home made Bib over at Thunders,i made one and loved the feel so much that i ordered a Bib regular after only a week of hanging.

Even though i had the wrap and setup totally wrong and was only using light weights,i still made a gain of quater of an inch in the first 2 months,seeing gains after so long was very satifiying,since then its been a learning curve with quite a few set backs,im only half an inch away from my goal and if it takes another year to get there then it will be worth it.

The main downside to hanging for me is finding the time,i have two young children which means having to hang very early on a morning or late on a night time,this week i leave for work at 6am but i'm up at 4.30am to do my first session then at about 8.30pm will start my second session.

Being uncut has caused problem in the past with getting the wrap right and slippage and ive got an excess of skin at the tip now of maybe half an inch which makes it slightly more awkward but i find wrapping very easy now.
 
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It's kind of weird when you think about hanging. You are literally hanging weights off the end of your penis to make it longer, and it's been the best method for me as far as total amount of time goes and total gains so far, not to mention how I can multi-task (to a degree) with my bib starter on.

I've finally figured out how to wrap, and then I thought you couldn't have skin coming over the head if you were uncut. Thanks to Bib for making that clear and I'm back on track and feeling good about this (not that I ever felt like giving up), and I don't mind tinkering with my hanger and figuring things out. It's about what works best, and then if it doesn't seem to work anymore try something a bit different if not completely different (like change angles) and it's actually a lot of fun. Congrats on the gains [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words], it sounds like it's been a lot of work but you have a great attitude. I hope you reach your goal. What is your goal btw?
 
BIB, I've been struggling with my wrap as I am having to set my wrap a bit farther back on my shaft so that the hanger still sits on the shoulders of the shaft. This is all because of the skin growth I've been experiencing over the last few weeks and months. I'm still hanging at 10-12.5 lbs, but I'm having a hard time reaching 20 minutes because the head was not receiving good ciculation, one set yesterday at 5 lbs the glans was so cold at about 20 minutes that I was a bit scared. I think this was more to do with the hanger tightness and the relatively light load.

What I did to remedy my total time problem was to set my wrap a bit further back and set the hanger up in the middle of the wrap. Since I'm hanging currently the glans is sitting in the well with skin nearly covering the entire glans, and there is no pressure on the glans at all. I am feeling the load in the internal structures, and even though my base skin is stretched downward it does not seem to be carrying much of the load. The hanger is set at about an inch or so behind the glans, and I have to say I feel pretty good about hanging a bit heavier with this setup now, as it doesn't feel like the hanger is going to slip off. I think the main problem was the hanger sitting too far forward and the weight needing a bit more room to sit on the shoulders, so it was slipping down a bit too far forcing the head to sustain a good deal of the load limiting circulation.

Now to my question. How did you deal with turkey neck when you were wrapping? I'm wrapping pretty far back on the shaft and it's right at the edge to midline of my turkey neck where I am setting the wrap.

I'm still wondering about when to move up in weight. 12.5 lbs feels pretty heavy and 10 lbs usually is pretty comfortable to wear but is still a load. You've made suggestions before, but I should ask when do you know that a certain weight is no longer effective?
 
BIB, I'm also having trouble with bruising around my circ scar. It was usually this way when I was doing girth work, but I'm wondering what could be causing this and if you have any ideas as to what I could do to possibly prevent it? It's sort of painful after a few sets, but if I take my wrap off and BTB jelq the bruising usually fades a good deal, if you have any suggestions they would be much appreciated.
 
millionman said:
Congrats on the gains [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words], it sounds like it's been a lot of work but you have a great attitude. I hope you reach your goal. What is your goal btw?
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million,

It sounds like you have things working for you. Developing the ability to grasp the internal structures, and form the shoulders, is key.

>Now to my question. How did you deal with turkey neck when you were wrapping? I'm wrapping pretty far back on the shaft and it's right at the edge to midline of my turkey neck where I am setting the wrap. <

For much of my hanging career, I just wrapped over it, bunching the skin with the wrap, to avoid pinching. But when I began hanging at the upper angles, especially OTS, I developed the scrotum wrapping technique, to stretch the bottom shaft skin, and help remove the turkey neck. This effectively gave me more skin on the bottom of my shaft, to allow the scrotal skin to be further back.

>I'm still wondering about when to move up in weight. 12.5 lbs feels pretty heavy and 10 lbs usually is pretty comfortable to wear but is still a load. You've made suggestions before, but I should ask when do you know that a certain weight is no longer effective?<

I always went totally by feel. If I was not getting a good stretch, not reaching fatigue, I would move up slightly in weight, until I reached a level that did bring on fatigue. By the same token, if that weight became too intense, I would reduce the wieght. I NEVER hung weight to just try and hang more. In this instance, more is not better. Just enough weight to deform the tissues is better.

>BIB, I'm also having trouble with bruising around my circ scar. It was usually this way when I was doing girth work, but I'm wondering what could be causing this and if you have any ideas as to what I could do to possibly prevent it? It's sort of painful after a few sets, but if I take my wrap off and BTB jelq the bruising usually fades a good deal, if you have any suggestions they would be much appreciated.<

It sounds like discoloration rather than bruising. Bruising is more severe, and indicates a blunt force injury. There is a difference. When I started, my unit was pasty white, except for a slightly darker circ scar. Now, it has much more color over the entire shaft, and my circ scar is darker still. I really like the darker color.

The reason for the darker color at the circ scar is because that is the area just forward of the attachment point, where great pressure is created. This pressure pushes blood platlets into the skin, resulting in discoloration.

Two things seemed to help me with removal of these platlets. One was Arnica Montana gel. The other was wrapping to remove discoloration. That is, wrapping below the area discolored, with enough tension, to make the upper shaft and head swell. As with pumping, this area would eventually begin to have a good fluid buildup. This fluid buildup seemed to have 'washed' the accumulated blood away. At least, that is my theory.

At any rate, I always kept my eye on things, but did not worry about the after effects, color of the shaft. I knew it would heal after ceasing the stresses, and it did. As far as the appearance of my unit, I did not worry about that either. All penis' are different. Many are naturally colored in the same fashion hanging provided. The only people that might notice anything are those that had seen the color before Penis Enlargement.

As far as discomfort goes, this is a natural thing. The skin, as with anything else in the body, must adapt to the stresses. As stress increases, the adaptation must advance. If skin discomfort becomes too great, you must either reduce the stress, the weight, or stop for the day.

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Solid post BIB as always.

Could you explain a bit on the scrotal wrap?

I have a similar idea as far as attaching the wrap below the effected area, and it seems to cause a bit of build up and the discoloration is less after this set, usually.

I've noticed the last few days that 10 lbs seems a bit heavy. Any ideas as to why this is, or what is occurring?
 
million,

>Could you explain a bit on the scrotal wrap?<

Just cut piece of jersey cloth, sweat shirt cloth, about 2x whateveryouneed, perhaps 18-24 inches. Then, grasp the scrotum in an OK grip, with your balls in your palm, the finger and thumb around the top of the scrotum, gathering all the skin. Then, pinch the leading edge of the wrap between your forefinger and thumb, and begin wrapping around the top of the scrotum. After a couple of passes, you can begin spiralling the wrap down toward your ball. When finished, the last pass, or couple of passes, should be right at the top of the balls.

When beginning, you may not have enough skin to spiral down. That's ok.

So now, all of the scrotal skin is collected, and any outward stress on the shaft will stretch the bottom shaft skin.


>I've noticed the last few days that 10 lbs seems a bit heavy. Any ideas as to why this is, or what is occurring?<

Is the discomfort from hanging attachment, or from fatigue? If fatigue, reduce the weight a bit, and continue on. If from attachment, then we need to isolate the reason. If from attachment, and everything is proper, then you may need to give a bit of time for your soft tissues to adapt to the increased stresses.

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I'm fine now, as I think I was a bit fatigued from the extended session I had the day before. I think I'm soon to have to cut down on my total time hanging. What do you reccomend as far as having to cut down on time and working to see results?

I like the idea of the scrotum wrap. I have a good excess of skin as my balls hang pretty low. I will probably give this a shot at some point, or heck I may do it tomorrow since I have some extra self-adhering [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words] wrap left it may be an interesting thing to try.
 
Bib, when you were hanging initially did you have hair crawling up your shaft along with your length gains? I'm seeing this a good bit right now, so I'm keeping it shaved back at the moment. Any suggestions on getting it to sit back a bit?

Does BTC hanging grow the tunica at all??? I'm almost sure it's about time to change angles, but then again I thought this about two-three weeks ago and I'm up almost .25 FSL since then. I use my belly button as a mile marker, and I measure after I see improvement in my Standing upward stretched length, that way it prevents me from measuring all the time, so I use a reference point as my belly button is 8" even from the base of my crotch. I'm measuring BPFSL at a bit over 8.25 now, but it honestly seems like my flaccid hang is just starting to catch up and I think that has been one of the coolest effects so far.
 
million,

>Bib, when you were hanging initially did you have hair crawling up your shaft along with your length gains? I'm seeing this a good bit right now, so I'm keeping it shaved back at the moment. Any suggestions on getting it to sit back a bit?<

No suggestions. I have a lot of hair going up several inches. It's great. I keep it trimmed to about 1/8-1/4 inch with a beard trimmer, and it works like a french tickler. The wife loves it.

>Does BTC hanging grow the tunica at all???<

Yes, it will stress the outer tunica. The distance depends on how far back before the ligs start taking the stress. Now, if you have a very low LOT, then that could be a long way back. If you had no ligs at all, it would stress the entire tunica.

>I'm almost sure it's about time to change angles, but then again I thought this about two-three weeks ago and I'm up almost .25 FSL since then. I use my belly button as a mile marker, and I measure after I see improvement in my Standing upward stretched length, that way it prevents me from measuring all the time, so I use a reference point as my belly button is 8" even from the base of my crotch. I'm measuring BPFSL at a bit over 8.25 now, but it honestly seems like my flaccid hang is just starting to catch up and I think that has been one of the coolest effects so far.<

That is really great. Congratulations? All the work with the adjustments was worth it, huh?

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Bib said:
million,

>Now to my question. How did you deal with turkey neck when you were wrapping? I'm wrapping pretty far back on the shaft and it's right at the edge to midline of my turkey neck where I am setting the wrap. <

For much of my hanging career, I just wrapped over it, bunching the skin with the wrap, to avoid pinching. But when I began hanging at the upper angles, especially OTS, I developed the scrotum wrapping technique, to stretch the bottom shaft skin, and help remove the turkey neck. This effectively gave me more skin on the bottom of my shaft, to allow the scrotal skin to be further back.


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What is a turkey neck?
 
Bib said:
dex,

>can you please post the links to the two other tests besides the lot test?
The exit point test and the other one, i do not know how to call it.<

I have no idea where they are. I am sure I did not start new threads to write about them, so they are embedded in other threads. But they are not complicated or difficult.

I fairly well explained them above. But if you need further explanation, just ask.

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I still completly do not understand the other two tests.
Please can you explain them again?
 
Turkey neck occurs when the scrotum skin starts to ride up on the shaft as the skin grows forward.

DEX, you may need to do a search on the Board for the threads BIB is talking about. LOT is fairly easy to test for as you just pull your penis forward and kegel. If you see movement at a certain point on the angle clock you lower it a bit from that point and repeat the process until there is no more movement when you kegel. It can be a bit difficult to ascertain precisely where the cessation of movement is, but it can be done if you're paying close attention to what the movement looks like and then when it stops should be quite different. This is the easiest of the two tests so I would keep to this one, but I do think Thunder's has more info on the other possible tests.
 
BIB, working with the adjustments have made a big difference. Can you tell me a bit about toe in/out and what this means as far as the setup goes, and where the load is received?

I think I'm going to have to take a break from hanging for a few days because of the t-vein. It doesn't feel as hard or rough as it did about a week or so ago, but the area is a bit more tender than usual so I'm going to leave it be till it goes back to normal. Shouldn't be a huge deal though. I have kind of gotten a bit tired of sitting in front of my computer screen for more than a few hours at a time, maybe when I start back, which will probably be around Friday or Saturday, I can instead sit in front of the TV...LOL since that's so much better than a computer. It would be great if my Comp got cable like my room mate had going into his lap top.
 
millionman said:
DEX, you may need to do a search on the Board for the threads BIB is talking about. LOT is fairly easy to test for as you just pull your penis forward and kegel. If you see movement at a certain point on the angle clock you lower it a bit from that point and repeat the process until there is no more movement when you kegel. It can be a bit difficult to ascertain precisely where the cessation of movement is, but it can be done if you're paying close attention to what the movement looks like and then when it stops should be quite different. This is the easiest of the two tests so I would keep to this one, but I do think Thunder's has more info on the other possible tests.
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Thank you millionman,
but i understand the main idea of the LOT test.
I do not understand the two other tests bib came up with.
 
millionman said:
Turkey neck occurs when the scrotum skin starts to ride up on the shaft as the skin grows forward.
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I have this also. When i strecth my unit, it is 1 inch before the glans.
Is a turkey neck bad?
 
Not necessarily bad, but it is unsightly in my and many other's opinions. For the last year I've been ball jelqing and stretching my scrotum downwards, and many times will stretch my penis forward while pulling my scrotum down and back towards my body which stretches the shaft skin and helps to bring the turkey neck back. Stertching the shaft skin will help with this also. Try ball jelqing for a time if your t-neck is bad and see if it helps, but also add with that stretching the penis forward and grasping the testicles and pull them down and back towards the body. This should help if your t-neck is a problem.
 
dex,

You will have to ask specific questions about the tests. I explained them about as good as I know how.

million,

>BIB, working with the adjustments have made a big difference. Can you tell me a bit about toe in/out and what this means as far as the setup goes, and where the load is received?<

It really has more to do with upper shaft shape, both the tunica in internal structures. I designed the hangers so that a guy with any shape could get a good attachment. A guy with a cone shaped penis may need a different toe than a guy with a baseball bat shaped penis. They each have different options using the hanger adjustments..

But then, I have heard of cone shaped guys that like a toe-out, and BB shped guys that like a toe-in. You really must go by feel, and performance. I always recommend trying different things to see how you like them.

>I think I'm going to have to take a break from hanging for a few days because of the t-vein. It doesn't feel as hard or rough as it did about a week or so ago, but the area is a bit more tender than usual so I'm going to leave it be till it goes back to normal. Shouldn't be a huge deal though. I have kind of gotten a bit tired of sitting in front of my computer screen for more than a few hours at a time, maybe when I start back, which will probably be around Friday or Saturday, I can instead sit in front of the TV...LOL since that's so much better than a computer. It would be great if my Comp got cable like my room mate had going into his lap top.<

When you get ready to start again, remember not to start back at the same intensity. Work into it a bit. The soft tissues usually do not take long to decondition.

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