Christianity vs. PE - can they co-exist?

Yup your right, that web site has figured out God and the meaning of life.:hammer:
 
Originally posted by buz
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First off, while we were still on topic, onanism was at issue. Here is an article about that.

> http://www.tektonics.org/onanbash.html

It basically says that the actual act of spilling the seed was not Onan's sin, and not even what was at issue in this passage, which has been used by lots of atheists to try and paint God as unfair for not allowing man to masturbate.
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Didn`t feel like posting here for a while.....

I read the article and you are right.. Onan`s sin wasn`t masturbation. However, masturbation IS a sin. I`ve searched the internet and found these quotes about masturbation:
Colossians 3:5, put to death what is your earthly nature; lust is idolatry
1 Thessalonians 4:4-5, learn to control your body in a holy and honorable way, not in passionate lust like the heathen
1 Peter 4:3, avoid lust, debauchery, drunkenness, and idolatry
2 Peter 2:18, beware of false prophets...who appeal to the lustful desires of sinful human nature
Regarding addiction:
2 Peter 2:19, you are a slave to whatever has mastered you
1 Corinthians 6:12, I will not be mastered by anything


And I hope you won`t say that there is masturbation without lust, because you masturbate to feel sexual plesure and that is lust.
 
Originally posted by Omul_Paianjen

And I hope you won`t say that there is masturbation without lust, because you masturbate to feel sexual plesure and that is lust.
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Would that be considered "self-lust"?
 
what do you mean?????
there is just lust... and don`t tell me you masturbate thinking of yourself lol
 
Originally posted by bigbutnottoo
Well, if i love someone, I love them with my brain.
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Ah ,but the brain is also an organ and therefore incapable of feeling love. Any redblooded human knows that the seat of the emotions for many centuries has been the heart. Before that it was considered to be the bowels. Imagine that... hey babe i love you with all my bowels. LOL.

Unless you are from another galaxy you have heard just like the rest of us saying like. My heart's just not in it. Or, mean it from the heart. Or, with all my heart. Where would valentines day be without that one? Of course that heart is not the blood pump in your chest. The heart referred to is the concsious or emotion or soul.

I really appreciate your replies in this thread. Without realizing it you have promoted the gospel just by sharing ideas of yours and by the responses you have received. Once in the Old testament God spoke thru a jackass to correct a man. In the new testament he used a rooster to preach the best sermon the apostle Peter ever heard. And NO I am not calling you either of those names. But, if God can use a jackass and a rooster He can certainly use someone of your caliber.
 
I've been gone a few days, and I've missed a lot. Here are some things I wanted to say:

1. Christianity does not view the rest of the world as detrimental to society, or scum, or terrible people, or any of that. There are lots of wonderful non-Christians, and there are lots of rotten Christians. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we are to look down upon anyone else.

2. NeXus, you are right about one thing. We can't possibly comprehend God or put Him in a box. But we can catch a glimpse of His character.

3. Nobody has "proven" anything about how old the Earth is. Nobody ever will. You believe it is billions of years old. I believe it is less than 10,000 years old. And that has nothing to do with the argument. But there is plenty of evidence that the Earth is not billions of years old. Here's a website that you probably won't look at. I think the Christians might like it though. http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=seminarset_online

Check it out. It's neat.

4. Noah didn't have to catch two of every species. Just two (or seven, depending on the animal) of every kind. So like...two elephants, two horses, two dogs, two rabbits, two flies, etc. After that, (I'm about to say it) EVOLUTION took place. Not the kind that we get taught in school (check out the video, it isn't even a good theory). But those elephants, over time, evolved into african and asian elephants. And those dogs evolved into terriers and wolves and rottweilers. And that was a big boat. It could have carried two of every kind. He didn't have to worry about birds and fish and such. And they do believe they have found it. It's the right size, exactly as specified in the Bible, and the right kind of wood, and everything. I think it was in Turkey, but don't quote me on that.

5. I think that's it. I have said what I believe. I have given you some info. I know you don't want me to "force my religion on you." So that's all. I still want to see any time the Bible has been proven wrong.

Oh yeah. The heart thing...that's ridiculous. It's a figure of speech. You're just trying to start something. Grow up.

John
 
By "that's all" I mean I'm done with this thread. If you want to attack me or talk about it civilly and rationally, IM me.

John
 
Originally posted by C-Guy
Ah ,but the brain is also an organ and therefore incapable of feeling love. Any redblooded human knows that the seat of the emotions for many centuries has been the heart. Before that it was considered to be the bowels. Imagine that... hey babe i love you with all my bowels. LOL.

Unless you are from another galaxy you have heard just like the rest of us saying like. My heart's just not in it. Or, mean it from the heart. Or, with all my heart. Where would valentines day be without that one? Of course that heart is not the blood pump in your chest. The heart referred to is the concsious or emotion or soul.

I really appreciate your replies in this thread. Without realizing it you have promoted the gospel just by sharing ideas of yours and by the responses you have received. Once in the Old testament God spoke thru a jackass to correct a man. In the new testament he used a rooster to preach the best sermon the apostle Peter ever heard. And NO I am not calling you either of those names. But, if God can use a jackass and a rooster He can certainly use someone of your caliber.
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No comment. I encourage everyone to read this ^ and take from it what they should.
 
Originally posted by Omul_Paianjen
what do you mean?????
there is just lust... and don`t tell me you masturbate thinking of yourself lol
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Um, masturbation is a physical action. If I masturbate, I stroke myself with my hand. sometimes with no thought about anyone at all. So my question was, if I masturbate and am not thinking about someone else is that still lust? Before you asid it was. SO I am wondering if it is "self-lust"?
 
Originally posted by 9cyclops9
I've been gone a few days, and I've missed a lot. Here are some things I wanted to say:

1. Christianity does not view the rest of the world as detrimental to society, or scum, or terrible people, or any of that. There are lots of wonderful non-Christians, and there are lots of rotten Christians. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we are to look down upon anyone else.
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I agree for the most part. Unfortunately, many of the "Christians" here do not agree with that sentiment.
 
Are there any Catholics in this thread? If so, I would like your thoughts on this one:

The Pope "does not consider himself an expert" on Catholicism.
 
Wait a second..
(christian here)

someones QUOTE:I'll say it again, I DO believe in God, I just don't believe in the man-made bureaucracy of religion.

Of course, you should seek God as a relationship, forget how many times you have been to church and what not. The church of man is fallible, the word of christ remains strong
--Calvary Chapel's advice to the people
I do attend Calvary Chapel on a semi regular basis for the past several years..

What about pork?
It was a sin cause it was made to protect us, like all sin. To protect the people. Before Pork was laden with diseases of all kinds
God even said to take the old ways and stuff them
Didnt Christ defend the poor old prostitute?

Onan?
God wanted him to impregnate a SPenis EnlargementCIFIC woman, that would inherit his bloodline to something greater. IT was not cause masturbation was wrong.

Wasn't Solomon loved by God?
Have you read solomon? More talk about breasts than any commercial magazine i have read
How many wives did he have? 1000 or 2000 i forgot +700 concubines.
Was he condemenned? not till he actually betrayed GOd by adultery of the SPIRIT worshipping other Gods

Wives in the past if you read, were basically slaves with no rights.

They were traded like cattle more than like people.

Premarital?
I believe it was wrong for one main reason.
NO BIRTH CONTROL!! HELLO?
that would entail the man/woman to subject responsibility and NO PAPenis EnlargementRWORK/LEGAL or commitment to raise the child.
2. Disease.

I have verses..Let me look it up again

This is what i have encountered.

The christian church is not based on man, No priest exists

I am not all wise. Challenge my point of view. THIS IS MY EXPenis EnlargementRIENCE.
 
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I'm researching up a piece on exactly why you can have non-sinful masturbation - why it IS, indeed, possible. However, I have not had all that much time to work on it. My studies have been ramping up considerably. I will have something for you guys to pick apart by the end of the week. If the new, enlightened understanding of the Bible's message is logical and supported by evidence then is it a bad thing to accept it? Or is the earth still flat?

Stay tuned if you're interested.

NeXuS: Yes, "that web site" has indeed figured out things about God simply by reading and studying the Bible. It's not possible to comprehend the extent of His awesomeness (a spiritual principle which you may be confusing for not being able to know anything about God) but we can identify aspects of His character as demonstrated by His actions and words in the Bible. Once again (and this may still come as news to you) we're not making this stuff up.
 
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Originally posted by BusterSword
Wait a second..
(christian here)

someones QUOTE:I'll say it again, I DO believe in God, I just don't believe in the man-made bureaucracy of religion.

Of course, you should seek God as a relationship, forget how many times you have been to church and what not. The church of man is fallible, the word of christ remains strong
--Calvary Chapel's advice to the people
I do attend Calvary Chapel on a semi regular basis for the past several years..

What about pork?
It was a sin cause it was made to protect us, like all sin. To protect the people. Before Pork was laden with diseases of all kinds
God even said to take the old ways and stuff them
Didnt Christ defend the poor old prostitute?

Onan?
God wanted him to impregnate a SPenis EnlargementCIFIC woman, that would inherit his bloodline to something greater. IT was not cause masturbation was wrong.

Wasn't Solomon loved by God?
Have you read solomon? More talk about breasts than any commercial magazine i have read
How many wives did he have? 1000 or 2000 i forgot +700 concubines.
Was he condemenned? not till he actually betrayed GOd by adultery of the SPIRIT worshipping other Gods

Wives in the past if you read, were basically slaves with no rights.

They were traded like cattle more than like people.

Premarital?
I believe it was wrong for one main reason.
NO BIRTH CONTROL!! HELLO?
that would entail the man/woman to subject responsibility and NO PAPenis EnlargementRWORK/LEGAL or commitment to raise the child.
2. Disease.

I have verses..Let me look it up again

This is what i have encountered.

The christian church is not based on man, No priest exists

I am not all wise. Challenge my point of view. THIS IS MY EXPenis EnlargementRIENCE.
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I agree with you.

-ItsElectric
 
I need to add the reason i go to church, its not cause i have to, but its for fellowship.
the same reason why i am here, in any instance of a project, lifelong goal, whatever it may be, you need the right support, variety of opinions and knowledge of others to feed on.
And to worship God by singing praises, cause I feel like it.

I still don't feel its wrong to whack off. IF i didnt do that, and i do remember VIVIDLY, two things happen.
a. My thingy shrinks, from lack of usage
b. by simply touching it for a few seconds the ammo has been released before the trigger has been cocked,

you know what i mean?

How many women in the world need much longer stimulation to feel an orgasm?
Hey you can read SOLOMON in the bible and he would describe in detail about how he makes love to a woman. Of all things, the bible is graphically intense on sexual matters.

Whats the clit for anyway? you still can bear children without it, SOO it must be there only for pleasure, as it pleasures a woman when rubbed, it really can't be hit by intercourse by much.

Another thing, is that I know the devil is the main factor for feeling guilt, less than, defeated.
If he knows your confidence is defeated and any sexually related thing is banned by you, he has won. He likes to make you think he doesn't exist and he is just a false entity,

its like you go to war and you don't know what the enemy's plan of action is, in fact its there in front of your very eyes, you can see exactly how many soldiers, the way they are formed, how many tanks and what time of day they will be attacking,
But instead you pretend you don't see it, like the enemy is invisible, what happens??

YOU DIE!!!
 
Supra said:
I do need to seperate myself from ���� completely. Does got not say in the Bible that it is wrong?
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i always felt i couldnt look at ���� or nudity without thinking about having sex with the women. try bikini pics and stuff like that, and see how you feel. im still up in the air about that.
 
zxcvbnm9000 said:
i always felt i couldnt look at ���� or nudity without thinking about having sex with the women. try bikini pics and stuff like that, and see how you feel. im still up in the air about that.
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I really didnt want to get into this thread again, BUT here goes:

I understand why you are up the air about that, because it is contradictory. If you really do believe looking at ���� and nudity is wrong for the reasons you stated, it is just as wrong to look at bikini pics because you are doing it for the same reasons. You arent looking at bikini pics for intellectual stimulation or spiritual enlightenment.
 
I have waded through most of the posts on this thread. Whew, what a bunch of comments. I enjoyed most of them and at least you fellows who are writing all this stuff are doing some thinking about God. From that stand point it is good. My comments won't be long. God has revealed himself to man through the person of Jesus Christ and the Bible. All the efforts of man for hundreds of years have tried to destroy both, to no avail. God's love is told in the Bible and demonstrated and proved in Jesus Christ. Doesn't matter if you believe the Bible or not, it just is. About Jesus, he loves you even if you don't love him. That is why he died on the cross, so we can have a right relationship with God.
About masterbation and not having sin in our life....personally I think that you can masterbate without sinning. You don't have to think about sex, women or evil when you masterbate. It is a physical drive, a motovation that is natural. Sure you can dwell on women, sex and immorality but you don't have to. We do what we want anyway. And we believe what we want too. GS
 
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