chem for lenght

I wont lie I think all this chemical stuff is absolutely crazy! Injecting stuff in your penis is absolutely crazy! I have been reading for a couple hours and I'm completely lost! I need a chemical pe for dummies crash course!

As of right now I'm not going to inject the stuff that causes an erection for hours. Call me whatever but needles and my dick just doesn't sound good to me. The tb-500 that could be injected in the lower abdomen sounds a lot safer but even then I'm not crazy about injecting something made for livestock. Actually I'm afraid of injecting anything anywhere but thot doesn't mean I wont do it.

My goal right now is purely lenght. I'm around 6.75 bpel and want 7.5 or more. I've stalled in my gains the last year and started hanging in Oct. I have yet to see any progress hanging and I'm getting frustrated putting in 7-10 hrs per week and seeing nothing.

So what is a safe and effective way for a beginner to gain lenght with hanging and chemical pe? I feel the tb-500 would really help but I'm not sure. What you guys think?

rebel2011;524281 said:

I wont lie I think all this chemical stuff is absolutely crazy! Injecting stuff in your penis is absolutely crazy! I have been reading for a couple hours and I'm completely lost! I need a chemical pe for dummies crash course!

As of right now I'm not going to inject the stuff that causes an erection for hours. Call me whatever but needles and my dick just doesn't sound good to me. The tb-500 that could be injected in the lower abdomen sounds a lot safer but even then I'm not crazy about injecting something made for livestock. Actually I'm afraid of injecting anything anywhere but thot doesn't mean I wont do it.

My goal right now is purely lenght. I'm around 6.75 bpel and want 7.5 or more. I've stalled in my gains the last year and started hanging in Oct. I have yet to see any progress hanging and I'm getting frustrated putting in 7-10 hrs per week and seeing nothing.

So what is a safe and effective way for a beginner to gain lenght with hanging and chemical pe? I feel the tb-500 would really help but I'm not sure. What you guys think?

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I am hoping to offer a beginners, non evasive starting system through the use of orals as replacements for chemical injectables. I hope to get better answers on things like TB-500 oral and its affect in clinical comparisons to injectables. We are still young in the chemical arena but it did happen here on Matters of Size and it will evolve within the safe hands of the amazing members who are dedicating so much of their time, money and effort in the name of penis enlargement.

Dude! OK I post this just a few hours ago and already 1000 views? I would say if someone would market a topical ointment (like kingsnake suggested) or a pill like you have in mind a man could sell a boat load! I am going to assume that most guys are like me. They don't want to be jabbing their dick with needles 4-7 times a week. Its a very dangerous act in my mind but it could be 99.9% safe. I am not ready to take that leap just yet there is just to much that I could see going wrong.

If I could ask a favor of one of the gurus....could you post the different chemical in a simpler compact thread? Just with some basic info. What it does how to use it and a link maybe? I've been through a ton of post and I just can't keep it all straight!

I think you will get better responses if you ask specific questions about the chemicals you're interested in knowing about. If you're not sure which chemicals interest you, keep reading through the threads in this sub-forum. Specifically, look for the DMSO/PABA thread...since you're hesitant to inject.

Thanks man. I really don't know what chemicals I should be interested in. There is 3 basic ones. Pge? The tb-500 and the Damon Paba blend?

PGE1 is injected to give you a prolonged erection. Tb-400 is added to the PGE1 blend to help reduce scarring. DMSO is a topical ointment that gets under the skin and helps make tissues softer and more pliable. DMSO is also used in woodworking because it is a very strong chemical. Although, it is also used for skin treatment. Paba (I believe) is taken to help healing. Paba can be taken orally or the powder can be added to the DMSO (which is a liquid). The DMSO is applied to the penis with an eye dropper.

If you're starting out, you'd want to try the DMSO/Paba blend. Incorporate that with your manual work. Check Kingsnake's thread, there is a detailed post with pictures on how to mix and apply the DMSO/Paba blend and where to buy it. If you're in Canada, you need to go to eBay to get DMSO, as it is not sold in Canada.

From livestrong.ca:

"One of the primary uses of oral PABA supplements is to treat Peyronie's disease, which involves bending of the penis in men due to fibrous plaque buildup, says the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. PABA supplements could also help in treating the skin conditions vitiligo and scleroderma, as well as infertility. Other possible uses for PABA include treating dermatitis herpetiformis, pemphigus and dermatomyositis, notes the University of Michigan Health System. No widely accepted, conclusive medical research supports the use of PABA supplements to prevent or treat any medical condition, however.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/251854-what-does-paba-do/#ixzz2GJQliQ8f"

If you're looking to gain length, I would go with hanging. Chemical procedures for Penis Enlargement mostly give you girth. Expansion of the tissue, rather than stretch. I would use a topical chemical called Verapamil (to help reduce fibrosis) and possibly the DMSO/Paba topical blend with hanging if you are dead set on doing a chemical approach. But you are going to want to stretch your ligs and penis (tunica) before you start trying to add raw mass, if you want to maximize results. All the reasons why can be found on my thread.

I was the first asshole to start giving up the links to Dr. Adam's patent and Ronielle's blog on PGE1 enlargement on this forum, and I was going to Dr. appointments last April in regards to chemical enlargement and enlargement in general. My many months of research led me to the conclusion that I need to hang until my maximum potential is reached through stretching before I worry about PGE1 injections and enlargement by adding raw tissue mass. You can read all about my discoveries and reasons for on my thread. It's all well documented.

Or you can just take a look at the fact that kingsnake gained all of his 1.5" in EL by hanging weights and is only fucking around with chem Penis Enlargement now because he is obsessed with having the biggest dick in the world and has likely maximized or come close to maximizing his hanging gains. Chemical Penis Enlargement is for vets. Dudes who put their time in and gotten their gains by using methods of Penis Enlargement that have been around for thousands of years. It's the next step forward for putting the finishing touches on a monster cock for a Monsanto world where nothing is good enough as is.

My gains have stalled out completely! I started hanging about 3 months ago thinking it would jump start my gains again. I have been hanging 7-10 hrs per week btc to hit the ligs with up to 17.5 lbs. I have seen nothing but haven't given up hope yet. I've taken a few days off because attachment point issues and am really thinking my wrap method to get more comfort.

One of my biggest problems in all forms of pe is fr. No matter what I do I get fr. It messed up pumping when I did that and now its interfering with hanging I think. The only reason I was looking into chemical stuff is because if there is something I can rub on my dick before hanging to intensify the workout and bring better gains I would be crazy not to! I guess I'm looking for a good way to break a plateau and this seems like the only way I would be able to unless I come up with 2-3 extra hours a day and some way to keep fr from messing me up.

Thanks for the post! That was exactly what I was looking for. I've been reading but the info is really strung out between 1000s of post.

You mustn't be doing it right.

17.5 lbs in 3 months? Way too much weight. I've been hanging for 2 months and I'm at 5.5 lbs. I'm noticing good body clues which tells me I will have gains soon. I haven't measured in a long time, but I know I am doing proper technique and making sure to do everything right, so I know I will gain.

You shouldn't be getting fluid retention from hanging. You're doing something wrong.

3 months isn't long, you shouldn't expect much in 3 months. You need to hang for like 2-3 years, depending on your starting LOT. I intend to hang for 2-3 years.

You need to be hanging more than 10 hours per week. 10 hours is the minimum. I am currently hanging 7x20 min sets per day (15.5 hours/week). I am moving up to 8x20 min sets per day next week, along with moving up 0.5lbs in weight. You really need to develop a system and stick with it.

You shouldn't be taking any days off when hanging unless it is absolutely necessary. Days off gives your ligs/tunica time to heal, which makes it that much tougher to deform. You end up needing more weight to deform it.

It isn't a game of how much weight you can hang, it's a game of how much can you gain with the least amount of weight and by making the most out of your sets.

What are chemicals going to do for deforming ligaments? All the chemicals listed are for creating mass inside the penis - expansion. Not deformation. If you're that bent on finding a supplement that will aid your success, try looking for a supplement that will make you ligs stretchier/easier to deform, as well as your tunica.

I guess DMSO+Paba would be your best bet. Apply it to your pelvis as well so it can hopefully penetrate your ligaments and soften them.

PGE1 will give you even worse attachment point issues, and TB-4 will make you heal quicker, which is the opposite of what you want when you're trying to deform tissue. You want to attack the tissue with force while it is still healing to cause further deformation. Not heal it quicker. That will cause you to build tolerance and need more weight to deform the ligs/tunica. Then you're fucked.

How much are you looking to gain in total? If you're looking to gain anything over an inch in EL, I suggest you start hanging properly, talk to Bib, and don't worry about ChemPenis Enlargement until you are within 0.5" EL to your goal. The DMSO+Paba is the only thing I would worry about. And looking for a supplement that also causes tendons to become more pliable.

Use more heat. Heat up thoroughly before a hanging session, and in between sets. Have a heating pad on your pelvis at all times during the set, to warm your ligs for stretch.

MikeShlort;524587 said:

PGE1 is injected to give you a prolonged erection. Tb-400 is added to the PGE1 blend to help reduce scarring. DMSO is a topical ointment that gets under the skin and helps make tissues softer and more pliable. DMSO is also used in woodworking because it is a very strong chemical. Although, it is also used for skin treatment. Paba (I believe) is taken to help healing. Paba can be taken orally or the powder can be added to the DMSO (which is a liquid). The DMSO is applied to the penis with an eye dropper.

If you're starting out, you'd want to try the DMSO/Paba blend. Incorporate that with your manual work. Check Kingsnake's thread, there is a detailed post with pictures on how to mix and apply the DMSO/Paba blend and where to buy it. If you're in Canada, you need to go to eBay to get DMSO, as it is not sold in Canada.

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Question to people that are DMSO+Paba users:

If I decide to mix 3 Oz DMSO with paba, which is (89 milliliters DMSO if you wonder), how many teaspons of PABA should I apply approximately? I readed on Kingsnake's threat that Paba should sink in when it has been mixed with DMSO, also that enough paba is applied to the DMSO when the paba start to touching the bottom of the jar that ur mixing to too. This question has never been answered roughly.

rebel2011;524340 said:

Dude! OK I post this just a few hours ago and already 1000 views? I would say if someone would market a topical ointment (like kingsnake suggested) or a pill like you have in mind a man could sell a boat load! I am going to assume that most guys are like me. They don't want to be jabbing their dick with needles 4-7 times a week. Its a very dangerous act in my mind but it could be 99.9% safe. I am not ready to take that leap just yet there is just to much that I could see going wrong.

If I could ask a favor of one of the gurus....could you post the different chemical in a simpler compact thread? Just with some basic info. What it does how to use it and a link maybe? I've been through a ton of post and I just can't keep it all straight!

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I wish it were that easy but research and real results need to be seen and charted for this to be promoted as such. I do, however, believe the oral version, in the correct dosage would do more to help than hinder and we are looking to get as much as we can out of a supplement.

MartinGlad;524620 said:

Question to people that are DMSO+Paba users:

If I decide to mix 3 Oz DMSO with paba, which is (89 milliliters DMSO if you wonder), how many teaspons of PABA should I apply approximately? I readed on Kingsnake's threat that Paba should sink in when it has been mixed with DMSO, also that enough paba is applied to the DMSO when the paba start to touching the bottom of the jar that ur mixing to too. This question has never been answered roughly.

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That means you add Paba until it can no longer be saturated by the DMSO. When it goes to the bottom, that means the DMSO has reached it's capacity for saturation. So just slowly add the Paba powder, mix it around, until it starts to have residue at the bottom. You don't want a ton of residue, because then you're just wasting it.

Thanks again Mike. After reading your post I realized I have gone against everything I know about hanging! I took a few days off letting this swelling go down. I started at 5 lbs and have jumped 2.5 lbs for my increases. I know I should be hanging 15 hrs per week but about an hour and a half a day is all the free time I can devote to hanging.

Anyways I will drop back down and go slower and see how it goes. I know its gonna take time I've just hit a plateau and can't seem to get past it!

Hey Mike its awesome that you are combining Chem pe + hanging. I am also hanging every day 7 sets x 20minutes and i gained a lot from my hanging. And i would like to try combining hanging with chem pe i can start a journal, would you like to help me get started ?

ishuge;525898 said:

Hey Mike its awesome that you are combining Chem pe + hanging. I am also hanging every day 7 sets x 20minutes and i gained a lot from my hanging. And i would like to try combining hanging with chem pe i can start a journal, would you like to help me get started ?

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How long have you been hanging, at what angles, how much have you gained? What weight progression?

http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1175&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=75 Check the pic at the middle of the page.
I am currently hanging OTS and SO starting my first set for the day @ 17.5lbs
Currently at 7.7 NBPenis EnlargementL. Started my pe career at around 5BPenis EnlargementL when i was 15-16 y/o no i am 21.

ishuge;525904 said:

http://www.bibhanger.com/forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1175&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=75 Check the pic at the middle of the page.
I am currently hanging OTS and SO starting my first set for the day @ 17.5lbs
Currently at 7.7 NBPenis EnlargementL. Started my pe career at around 5BPenis EnlargementL when i was 15-16 y/o no i am 21.

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Holy fuck. That is killer gaining. Well done, man. Wish I had started that young. You are entering the prime of your life with a big dick, good for you. I'll find you all the articles I typed up on chemPenis Enlargement and private message you all the info you need to get started.

In the meantime, read through my entire progress thread. Look for the posts that contain a lot of text to find the posts where I disclose information. Bookmark all the links. I even did a video of how to inject PGE1, it is in my thread, but I will type up a private message that contains all the links and resources I have on the topics of chemPenis Enlargement.

Do you feel you still have length to gain through tunica stretch? Have you gone back to lig hanging (low angles) after hanging at high angles (tunica targeting) for a long time? It's called the "seesaw effect". The theory is (theory by Bib) that as you hang at high angles, you LOT changes, and you can very well go back to lig hanging after a sufficient time hanging at high angles and have a chance at gaining more from hanging at low angles. I look at it like you're rocking your penis back and forth out of your body, very slowly. Since you are making lig bundles (which are different from the lig bundles low angled hanging attacks) longer, you may very well be able to go back and milk even more gains out of the lig bundles low angled hanging attacks.

I would also start a DMSO+Paba topical treatment on your shaft to try and make your tunica more pliable for stretch. Start right away. Kingsnake's thread has a step by step tutorial with pictures and places to get the supplements. It's about 20-30 pages back, I think. I can see how your tunica might be tougher than average, since you have likely been hanging many years. So you would want to use chemPenis Enlargement to make it pliable and supple. If you aren't in the US, you can get DMSO on ebay.

I'm not sure how your girth is, but you want to avoid big girth gains. I'm sure you know the reasons why, with hanging, since you've been doing it so long. In my opinion, PGE1 is mainly for girth gaining. In other words, I will start PGE1 when I am within 0.5" NBPenis EnlargementL of my goal size. I think most of the expansion from that is girth wise. Not to say that pumping, PGE1 and jelqing doesn't lead to length gains, just not like hanging, which is specific for length gaining.

How much more EL are you looking to gain? That is the question. To be safe, I am only going back to the PGE1 protocol once I am within 0.5" of my length goal, just to ensure I get there before making my tunica too hard to stretch with large girth and toughness. I am pretty sure that pumping + PGE1 can lead to length still, but I want to be on the safe side. I won't complain if pumping + PGE1 leads me to become 0.5" over my goal length, but I will be angry if starting it too prematurely causes me to become 1" less than my goal length.

I am not going to combine PGE1 and hanging, just for the fact of attachment point soreness and also I will be using PGE1 for girth primarily, so that conflicts with tunica hanging. I may, however, do the secondary lig hanging (as I described above) as I do my girth + PGE1 protocol, just to speed things up. That will be if I am close enough to my goal length that I won't need to worry about a secondary tunica (high angle) hanging endeavor.

Major props to you. I am proud of your dedication and success. You gained around 3 inches of length. That is intense. You are a new inspiration to me. I will help you all that I can. Keep your eye on my thread here from time to time, just in case I post any more articles on my findings. I do a lot of research, have been to a doctor regarding pe and enlargement through PGE1 injections, and I think I have figured out the ultimate approach to Penis Enlargement that will yield the most possible gains. You have been doing it right by hanging and gaining your length. If you are at or close to your goal size, now you can work girth full force. If not, you can try combining things or stick strictly to length work with the aid of tunica softening chemicals, until you become closer to your goal length.

Keep an eye on kingsnake's thread, too. He started chemPenis Enlargement this past July or so and has made lots of discoveries. I disagree with some of his points about hanging and pumping and chemPenis Enlargement at once, but one must keep in mind he gained his length before pumping and doing chemPenis Enlargement, with traditional hanging.

Also, I'll probably be asking you a bunch of questions about hanging, as I am new to it, so hopefully you'll be willing to give me some advice. My thread at Bib's is "Hang 'Til I'm Hung". I am under the same screen name at Bib's forum as well.

Wow thanks man Well i know about the see-saw effect. I havent hung BTC since i finished with the lig gains. Yeah i have a little bit of lig potential but i found that lig gains are mostly BPenis EnlargementL gains for me and i am looking for NBPenis EnlargementL gains.The only reason that i would get back to the lig stretching is that my ligaments are very long and since i gained a lot they are runing along to the middle of my dick, and because of that they interfere with my tunica hanging especially when i am doing RSDT FULCRUM. So thats why i am now focused on SO hanging my ligaments don't interfere that much and i am having solid fatige from it and i am gainging NBPenis EnlargementL.When my ligs start to interfere with my SO hanging i will get back and stretch them out again.Though i am pretty sure that i wont gain any substantial length from that because my penis attachment point is currently very low and it has raised very very little since i stopped the BTC hanging.
My goal is to become solid 8.5 or 8.6 NBPenis EnlargementL so i need about an inch NBPenis EnlargementL gains.My EG is currently 5.3 i am working on length only.I also have a pump i gianed 0.3 EG in two months when i first bought it and i was experimenting with hanging and pumping combined which at first gave me good results but then killed my EQ so i left the pumping for when i am finished with the length work.
My Erect Girth goal is 6-6.3
Yeah girth work plus hanging is bad in my opinion it easily kills my eq and Bib says that it is bad and could lead to pernoies. But the CHEM pe shit without the injections that you told me about which results in more pliable tunica i think will be great when combined with tunica hanging.
You can ask me whatever you like about hanging and i will help if i can.I look forward for the links that u are gonna send me, also we could chat on skype or something.I also can make a Journal when i start with the chem pe + hanging. I don't live in the US but i hope i will be able to find the chems.Also i am very happy that i inspire you.You guys here also inspire me a lot as well as with your experiments with chemicals on your dick which i wouldn't try normally. :D
Yeah its good that i started young Penis Enlargement has taught me lots of thing about life, i am trying very hard to keep doing it and not stop and go partying and fuck chicks.But i know i wont stop until i achieve my Penis Enlargement goals.I saw that u are doing btc now feel free to ask me anything either here or in bibs forum.

Thanks man. I just posted a post that contains all the info you are looking for, in my progress thread. It's a write-up from a couple months ago.
I will go over it again when I have more time, condense all the pertinent information into a private message and send you it. In the meantime, check out that post. Read all the links. You'll be amazed at what some guys have done with chem Penis Enlargement.

The beauty of enlargement through PGE1 induced erections and other chemicals is it expands raw tissue mass, which is different from hanging, which stretches the tissue. In theory, one can gain additional size through chemPenis Enlargement after their hanging (stretching) gains have dried up.

My theory is this: Say a man who has never done Penis Enlargement before has the potential to gain 1.5" in EL through stretching his ligs and tunica (hanging).
Or he has the potential to gain .75" EL and 1.5" EG through jelqing, pumping and chemical Penis Enlargement. He would be wise to get all his hanging gains first, then get his chemPenis Enlargement gains. I don't see why hanging would take away from any possible gains chemPenis Enlargement can give. It is a very different way of "growing". One way is stretching the tissue, where the tissue is stretched and repairs longer, whereas chemPenis Enlargement (prolonged erections + Testosterone) breaks down the tissue from erections and exercise, then repairs bigger, sort of like bodybuilding (this is how I look at it, I could be wrong). It seems to me that someone can gain the maximum from both methods, instead of choosing just one. Doing it in the proper order is key: hanging, then chemPenis Enlargement.

I look at hanging (stretching) as something that has to be done daily. Very different from the bodybuilding approach (chemPenis Enlargement). I would think taking rest days for the chemPenis Enlargement protocol would be very beneficial, whereas with hanging, it is not. In other words, first you stretch your penis, then you "build up".

Let's take the two ultimate examples of each method:

Bib - 4 inches EL gained from hanging
Roneille - 1.5 inches EL, 2 inches EG gained from chemical Penis Enlargement (Roneille slowed down on using DHT gel because his girth was getting too large for anal sex. Very possible that he could have gained well over 2" EG)

For argument's sake, let's say all men are capable of these gains from the respective exercise. I don't see why a man wouldn't be able to gain close to 5.5" EL and 2" EG combining the two methods, in the proper order.

This is the approach I am taking and I am documenting it all. I started chemPenis Enlargement in June, aborted in late October. I commenced hanging Oct 31. I have a long time to go before a conclusion can be reached (years) but I think I will be right. I plan on hanging for 2-3 years, then 18 months with the PGE1 protocol. Some hanging and PGE1 protocol may overlap.