Progressive Stretching

[millionman]

This is a thread that I'm going to start in hopes of stimulating conversation.

I've been thinking of something that a member said a long time ago, and that was to stretch the penis each and everyday in a way that will ensure consistent growth. Pull on it everyday to the point where it is just a bit longer than it was the day before, and no more. He posted about his great length gains and came here looking for ways to improve his girth measurements. At the time, if I remember correctly, he had gained more than 3 inches in length and said he never spent more than 30-45 minutes stretching SO everyday.

Now, I've taken this a step further and stretch at every opportunity. I stretch at the urinal, getting dressed, or using the vac-extender for about an hour or so, which I don't do everyday. My concept is similar to the above as I think that working harder is not necessary as the tissues become less pliant and begin to harden, and that's when the "intensity" has to increase to break the bonds of the collagenous matrix of the tunica. Anyway, the essential part of it is to stretch a bit further, or try to, than your current FSL. Now this isn't going to be a quarter of an inch per day, and it's not necessary to pull as hard as possible. The idea is to grow a little bit each and every day, and that could be 1-2 cm per day or heck even 1 mm per day is growth. Over time the concept is to work more frequently and with a lower intensity to keep the tissues from hardening.

I'm really interested in generating some discussion on this topic. My experience so far with this has been very positive, because not only am I making progress but mentally I don't have the pressure of "getting the work in". Everything seems to be moving in a positive direction even with infrequent sessions with the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to hear what others will have to say, so feel free to contribute any and all ideas/thoughts.

 

[jqsderrida]

motlisoff's ideas have influenced my current hanging technique. The reason I started taking BPFSL measurements between every set, and the reason that I hang solely SO is due to his thread.

 

[ithiel]

I don't but it. I say stretch the shit out your dick itll grow.

 

[millionman]

Ithiel, Is there any particular reason you don't "buy it"?

I've been around for a long time, and in my personal experience the harder the pull does not equal greater gains. In fact when I was hanging I can say that my size only increased .25" in EL in nearly a year of hanging, and I worked up to significant poundages in an attempt to make faster progress. My gains stalled for more than 2 years until recently. I have evaluated the process and have gone through several different templates to see which one will cause the most consistent growth. I've found that by doing a little something everyday that I'm making solid and extremely consistent progress. This is not just a "me" thing because it fits with the repair mechanisms in everyone's physiology and it can very easily apply to more than 90% of all men that are involved with Penis Enlargement.

I'm not looking for agreement on this, but I'm hoping to really stimulate the flow of ideas among the members here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. No one seems to really think about the physiological processes involved with their penis, but seem to follow along with what everyone else does or says. I'm attempting to think in terms of what will really work for each and every guy, irregardless of time available. Something that will yield consistent results over the entire life span of a man's Penis Enlargement career. Imagine having fewer injuries, healthier erections, feeling better about your penis, and above all else not dreading the next Penis Enlargement session. Maybe it's just me but I like approaching something from a different perspective.

 

[goinfor11x7]

I think your current approach makes sense. It takes the self-induced pressure off your routine. Otherwise, it becomes a "chore." I approach P.E. pretty much the same way. I figure that the small temporary increments I make will eventually translate into permanent gains.

But what if they don't? What if they remain unchanged and I remain on this same plateau for the foreseeable future? I say, who cares? Pulling on my dick is a form of self-affirmation. It's definitely not shrinking as, according to the "experts," mens' my age are supposed to do. So I say the rest is a piece of cake.

You confused me, however, with your two posts. Are you arguing that one should pull it as hard as one can as often as one can?

Here's my experience. If my dick is turtling, as it is bound to do, I cut back. When it's somewhat engorged, I go with the flow, and yank it good and hard.

 

[dyablo]

I have actually included some light stretches throughout the day (mostly after I pee). I repeat them like five-six times a day, and it is just a 5 sec version of each stretch in the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] except the BTC. Do you think it is a good idea?

 

[wohoo19m]

I did this type of stretching as well a couple of months back. I only did 2 - 30 second stretches each time I went to the bathroom and other than that, I only did girth work.

These were basic stretches too. From the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]noobie routine[/words].

Results were 1/8 inch in length growth in a month. I was a bitch on the glands though...so I had to cut back. Should try again sometime though...

 

[jqsderrida]

Ithiel, Is there any particular reason you don't "buy it"?

I've been around for a long time, and in my personal experience the harder the pull does not equal greater gains. In fact when I was hanging I can say that my size only increased .25" in EL in nearly a year of hanging, and I worked up to significant poundages in an attempt to make faster progress. My gains stalled for more than 2 years until recently. I have evaluated the process and have gone through several different templates to see which one will cause the most consistent growth. I've found that by doing a little something everyday that I'm making solid and extremely consistent progress. This is not just a "me" thing because it fits with the repair mechanisms in everyone's physiology and it can very easily apply to more than 90% of all men that are involved with Penis Enlargement.

I'm not looking for agreement on this, but I'm hoping to really stimulate the flow of ideas among the members here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. No one seems to really think about the physiological processes involved with their penis, but seem to follow along with what everyone else does or says. I'm attempting to think in terms of what will really work for each and every guy, irregardless of time available. Something that will yield consistent results over the entire life span of a man's Penis Enlargement career. Imagine having fewer injuries, healthier erections, feeling better about your penis, and above all else not dreading the next Penis Enlargement session. Maybe it's just me but I like approaching something from a different perspective.

I agree with you entirely. The place of biology and physiology in Penis Enlargement has for too long been neglected. I suppose you read the cellular biology thread that I wrote?

 

[Dick Builder]

This sounds like what I have been doing for about the last two months. I can only dedicate about one hour to hanging each day so I incorporated piss pulls into my routine. Usually 5 to 10 sets spread throughout the day. I originally incorporated these in order to retard the healing process (helping me to manage the fatigue during hanging). But, I am now seriously considering dropping the hanging altogether and just sticking to the piss pulls. I originally thought my growth was from hanging but now I am not sure. My thoughts now are that each time I stretch the tissues beyond their normal length it stimulates cellular division and growth. I believe that when we hit fatigue while hanging we are doing exactly that. Moreover, I achieve the same feelings of fatigue during my piss pulls (forcing me to reduce the tension) as I due during my hanging sessions. With the piss pulls I am achieving that stretch more times a day than I could ever achieve hanging.

Overall, I want Penis Enlargement to supplement my life and not consume it. Sitting around hanging weights off my dick several hours a day was starting to have a detrimental effect on my self esteem. These short intense bathroom sessions every few hours has allowed me to get out and enjoy life as well as grow my dick.

 

[RickB]

What kinds of gains have you received from the piss pulls/ hanging ?

 

[Dick Builder]

I’ve seen about 1/8” per month. The first month I thought it might be just erection quality but when I measured another 1/8 inch the next month I had to believe I was in fact growing. Who knows what the next month may bring.

 

[penisbuilder]

Hi!1. OK millionman,referring to that member who gained 3+ inches doing this progressive stretching,when you say that you have to pull the penis to the point of making it a bit longer than it was a day before and no more..what does this mean exactly?2.Is this 30-45 minutes a day of constant pulling cumulative or all together?Please respond.Thank you.

 

[millionman]

The idea behind the progressive stretch is to pull to the point where you can feel the tight spots, and you pull just beyond that. Think of the pulse 110 stretch DLD came up with a few years ago, as the idea is the same but you're not really attempting to pull as hard as humanly possible but you are attempting to pull just beyond the current maximum FSL. It's really quite easy to do and you can generally achieve this without the use of baby powder.

I'm seeing fairly rapid improvement in my FSL, as I'm now pulling my penis above my belly button. I've found that pulling on the penis when you're urinating to be a great way to incorporate the stretches, but I also will sit for a few minutes getting dressed or getting into bed and stretch downward for a bit and loosen up the ligaments and then I'll stretch upward past my belly button to see how I high I can pull it on my stomach.

The key to this idea is to pull with a moderate amount of force on a fairly frequent basis. We don't need want the body to think that an injury has occurred and harden the tissues to future damage. This principle allows for a high frequency of training while staying within the range of growth and regeneration without tipping the scales towards injury.

The other thing that I have to point out for a lot of guys is that I've been at Penis Enlargement for 4 years. For 2 of those years I was on a plateau because I believed that the harder I pulled the more I would grow. I have tried everything from hanging, to manuals, and now I'm seeing great progress with gradual tugs and the occasional 1-2 hours in the vac-extender. I broke through my plateau using a very moderate routine and using an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] for 4-6 hours a day. Because of my schedule I had to try to come up with a more efficient use of my time. This idea came from my experience here but also with the physiological principles that govern growth and injury. I have found that working smarter is better than harder because I have worked so hard to have achieved what I have, but to be honest I had gotten a bit tired of always having to work harder and harder for a little gain, so I've tried a different approach and it's working very well.

 

[goinfor11x7]

Thanks for the feedback, Millionman. Have you tried the kegel when you stretch it above your belly button? When I'm really loose and pull it an inch or so above the belly button, I do three or four hard kegels and then measure it again. I can usually "bounce" it another inch higher. I'm not sure if this is what DLD calls the reverse kegel, but it sure adds to your flaccid stretch length.

 

[seeking8.5x6]

It sounds good in theory but time will tell if the results keep coming in off such pulling regimens. My personal opinion is trying to take a bodybuilding philosophy with my Penis Enlargement. Shock through different methods with periods or great intensity and shorter sessions and then other periods of light to medium intensity with longer workout periods.

 

[mlb092]

I agree with you entirely. The place of biology and physiology in Penis Enlargement has for too long been neglected. I suppose you read the cellular biology thread that I wrote?

Would you be so kind as to send me a link to your hanging routine? (If you have made a thread). I would like to give it a shot and see if it is right for me.

 

[millionman]

Penis Enlargement and bodybuilding bare no similarities at all. The penis has very little muscle and doesn't hypertrophy or atrophy. The issue is not whether or not the penis is "confused" or needs to "work harder" it's whether or not the body has undergone an injury or if it needs to grow a bit more tissue. The idea I present is not really whether or not it will work it's really an attempt to find the fine line between continual consistent growth and injury. If you can find the "sweet spot" as BIB called it where you just seem to grow and grow then you've made a huge accomplishment. My goal, after 4 years of being in Penis Enlargement, is to use a moderate approach towards my length work and pull consistently a little bit longer each and every time I pull on my penis. This, so far, has proven to be the way to go about it. I spend maybe 2-3 hours in my vac-extender and then the rest of the time I pull when I'm going to the bathroom, getting dressed, pretty much whenever I think about it. As of right now I'm right under 8.5" in FSL which is .25" than the last time I took a deconditioning break.

I think the mindset for so many men here is that more= faster gains, and that could be more reps, more weight (if hanging), more force (manuals), or more intense stretches. This does not fit with what our body does because the more more more mentality is going to lead to the over stressing the tissue, which means harder less pliable tissue, which then leads to more complicated routines, heavier weights, and the process continues to get worse and worse as gains become less and less. I'm coming from experience as I sat for two years hoping that I would some day wake up and have an 8" penis just because I had been working so hard. This is not a more is better process. This really should be an everyday pull just a little bit longer than the day before, but don't try to pull the damned thing off.

I'm very sincere in the fact that I've done every kind of fulcrum stretch, hanging, complex routines that took 2+ hours to complete, and I've even used the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Power Assist[/words] and have not gained in equal amount to my efforts. I've grown very tired of wasting time, but I spent more than a few hours trying to understand why I haven't gotten out of this all that I had hoped for. The answer that I came up with is to be progressive, to work each and everyday to grow a little bit more penis. It's not going to happen all at once but it can happen in very small increments which WILL add up to greater EL. The goal in the end is to hit 8.5" EL and I feel like it is attainable at this point and that it won't be another 3-4 years before I see it. The science behind the injury process is irrefutable but the key is again learning how to manage that response. I know that as I go I will refine and possible develop some side hypothesis but who knows. This is going so well right now I can't even tell you guys how happy it makes me.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to apply any of this to girth work? I've never really looked into girth work and fatigue, and how the injury process could be manipulated. Things are much different physiologically when the penis is erect, so does anyone have any ideas about this?

 

[seeking8.5x6]

I agree with you on the aspect of smarter versus harder. When i started Penis Enlargement again this year i got an injury from too much pressure from the basic stretches and pulling as hard as i could each time. Since then i lightened the stretch pressure and began a hanging routine. Since starting this my erection quality has increased as has my overall fatigue when my workouts for the day are finished. Overall I probably put in 1 to 1.5 hours of manual work and anywhere from 4-6 hours with the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] during the workday.

 

[ithiel]

Ithiel, Is there any particular reason you don't "buy it"?

I've been around for a long time, and in my personal experience the harder the pull does not equal greater gains. In fact when I was hanging I can say that my size only increased .25" in EL in nearly a year of hanging, and I worked up to significant poundages in an attempt to make faster progress. My gains stalled for more than 2 years until recently. I have evaluated the process and have gone through several different templates to see which one will cause the most consistent growth. I've found that by doing a little something everyday that I'm making solid and extremely consistent progress. This is not just a "me" thing because it fits with the repair mechanisms in everyone's physiology and it can very easily apply to more than 90% of all men that are involved with Penis Enlargement.

I'm not looking for agreement on this, but I'm hoping to really stimulate the flow of ideas among the members here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. No one seems to really think about the physiological processes involved with their penis, but seem to follow along with what everyone else does or says. I'm attempting to think in terms of what will really work for each and every guy, irregardless of time available. Something that will yield consistent results over the entire life span of a man's Penis Enlargement career. Imagine having fewer injuries, healthier erections, feeling better about your penis, and above all else not dreading the next Penis Enlargement session. Maybe it's just me but I like approaching something from a different perspective.

I don't buy it cuz. I unknowingly started pe in 05'. I was doing stretches like light ones but not so light that the ligs and shit aint tight. Damn I did that for a while, I had no gains. Since starting intenser stretching I then only grew. It makes sense. Look at gainers. Usually they increase intensity to grow. Take a look at bib. DLD done more intense shit as he went along too. and of course yours truly. My theory aint correct, matter fact I aint got no theory. but every body grows. I don't give a fuck what someones excuse is , they grow. It's just some grow slower then others. If that mean a mm a year, by all means that what it mean. But the idea of progressive stretching aint really the way to go, I assume one WOULD eventually gain but slower. Shit, I aint one to theorize, I can't even write good. I can DO.

 

[joey_styles]

I don't buy it cuz. I unknowingly started pe in 05'. I was doing stretches like light ones but not so light that the ligs and shit aint tight. Damn I did that for a while, I had no gains. Since starting intenser stretching I then only grew. It makes sense. Look at gainers. Usually they increase intensity to grow. Take a look at bib. DLD done more intense shit as he went along too. and of course yours truly. My theory aint correct, matter fact I aint got no theory. but every body grows. I don't give a fuck what someones excuse is , they grow. It's just some grow slower then others. If that mean a mm a year, by all means that what it mean. But the idea of progressive stretching aint really the way to go, I assume one WOULD eventually gain but slower. Shit, I aint one to theorize, I can't even write good. I can DO.

I have to agree eveyone grows some fast some slow.

 

[millionman]

Ithiel, Those aren't the only gainers. How about your SWMs of the world? Guys who spend huge amounts of time hanging, stretching, etc and don't see any progress. This is not slow gaining, this is NO GAINS. There are mechanisms of action that cause growth and there are mechanisms of action that react to injury. Maybe the answer is not "some grow fast, some grow slow" it's some men will grow no matter what they do to themselves and others who attempt to follow the same foot steps can't. It's just like taking the genetic elite and say hey they do it this way because they're getting results from it. There are too many cases of men attempting to follow these types of regimens and failing miserably.

BIB is a very special case. He approached Penis Enlargement in a very thoughtful and progressive manner, and although he eventually hung huge weights he also spent hours and hours at a time hanging at his desk. DLD also has spent hours upon hours and he has grown. In both of these cases I do not feel that they should be pointed to as examples. These two are the EXTREME end of the spectrum. Personally when I first started Penis Enlargement I spent a considerable amount of time on it, and now I can't. For most men here we have to go out into the world and work, go to class, workout, and generally just do other things.

In the above two cases, if everyone is up on what BIB wrote about deforming the tissues then we can move forward, I think that they spent so much time Penis Enlargementing throughout the day (average of about 8 hours or more) that their bodies never went through a complete healing process to heal the injured areas. This repetitive day in and day out occurance would lead to gains because the tissues would still be soft and pliable from the work the day before. See I think there are two options, as far as I can see, one you can either learn how to Penis Enlargement on a time budget and get the maximum benefit day in and day out or you can dedicate your life to Penis Enlargement and spend each and every day trying to make your penis bigger.

Now, if I've not proven a point with this Ithiel then I don't know what else to say. Your body has certain functions that are predetermined to happen whether you choose to admit it or not. If you've got all the time in the world to dedicate yourself to Penis Enlargement then that's fantastic, but I assure you most of us do not. You can choose to buy or sell and it won't really matter because this has proven to work. If you ever find yourself sitting at the same measurement for 2+ years then you might understand where I'm coming from, but until then you keep doing it your way.

 

[Vindicator]

There's definitely something to this theory. Mako, from the old penilefitness forums, definitely agrees with you. Here's what he had to say in an old post:

"I'm seeing a lot of guys who want to try and pull their penis out of socket when doing the Xtenders. This is not good practice and doesn't increase or speed up your gains. When you guys do the Xtenders you just want to feel a slight tug/stretch at the base. If you don't feel this when stretching, try and be sure that you are not doing pc's at the same time you stretch as this can often times be counter productive.

Off topic note,
Quick basic penile ligament anatomy inservice;
The ligaments that form the foundation, frame, and anchoring points for your penis aren't pure 100% ligament. It consists of a mix of a slight amount of muscle tissue combined with the ligament tissue. When you stretch your penis, if you pull it to hard, what happens is the muscle tissue embedded within the ligament contracts as a reflex action. It isn't something you can control, it just happens. Some have more than others and some have less than others. The trick is to get that muscle tissue to relax when you do the Xtenders. If you find yourself having difficulty getting a good stretch try pulling out slowly, take a few seconds to stretch it out, then hold that for a 15 or 30 count.

Ok, back on topic,
What happens when you do pc's/kegels at the same time you stretch, or if you pull to hard, your body sends signals to the muscles in that area of the body to begin contracting, (same thing as when you feel threatened, your entire body tightens up in preparation for the fight or flight response), this unfortunately includes the muscle tissue hidden within your penis, (part of the fight or flight response).

When you stretch, TRY AND BE AS RELAXED AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, this will help in keeping that muscle tissue relaxed so you can get a good stretch. I did the stretching either reclining in a comfy chair, or, while laying in bed...

Everyone should be doing a hot wrap before doing any exercising. If you feel that your penis has "cooled off", doing a second hot wrap, (2 - 5 minutes), half way through your Xtender routine won't hurt anything, in fact, it may even help keep your penile tissues relaxed."

P.S. Mako claims almost 5" in length gain.

 

[10inchadvantage]

This is a good theory. I've stopped doing all the intense 2-hour workouts that I used to do for girth. Now all I do are 100 powerjelqs a day, and my penis is responding much better than when I used to spend at least an hour a day bashing my penis. Also, wouldn't hanging light weights simulate progressive stretching? I've been hanging low weights with the BIB and my chambers are feeling a nice, relaxing fatigue. I don't see any rush to move up in weight anytime soon. I'll try throwing in some stretching throughout the day. The "less is more" theories are relatively new in Penis Enlargement and I have been trying them out and liking them.

 

[Dick Builder]

I don’t know. I still believe you need enough tension for a sufficient amount of time to deform the collagenous tissues for any growth. But then again, I do believe that you can do too much work, triggering the body’s defense mechanism and you will also see no growth. I believe it is necessary to find a balance between the two in order to reach our goals. And, that will be different for each person.

 

[MissionPossible]

I don't but it. I say stretch the shit out your dick itll grow.

amen to that

 

[penisbuilder]

First off very interesting theory.I just have a few questions and anyone please input your responses as I would greatly appreciate them.OK firstly,can I do these progressive stretches(throughout the day) and also an intense manual workout daily for possibly maximum results?2.Is there a general consensus on what the point is EXACTLY where you are within the range of growth and regeneration(like you say) and without tipping the scale towards injury...like I guess balance ...what would this be?Thank you.

 

[10inchadvantage]

First off very interesting theory.I just have a few questions and anyone please input your responses as I would greatly appreciate them.OK firstly,can I do these progressive stretches(throughout the day) and also an intense manual workout daily for possibly maximum results?2.Is there a general consensus on what the point is EXACTLY where you are within the range of growth and regeneration(like you say) and without tipping the scale towards injury...like I guess balance ...what would this be?Thank you.

Just make sure, whatever routine you choose to do, that you feel comfortably fatigued after the workout, but that fatigue shouldn't be lasting all the time. The key is to not overdo it. It's better to underdo than overdo. If you haven't been doing Penis Enlargement for at least 6 months, I wouldn't start doing anything too intense.

 

[millionman]

I'm really confused as to why anyone would think they have to "buy" into this theory. It's a simple statement regarding how the body heals and how to manipulate the injury mechanism from never kicking on. What's so hard about that? For anyone who posts in this thread that they don't "buy" it you should take it up with your own biological functions and not with this thread.

Ok, so I'm going to attempt to explain deformation of tissues. To deform the tissues it doesn't take 1000lbs of force. To work with, what is majority collagenous tissue, it only takes a small amount of force to cause it to slide and move out of it's original alignment. We're not talking about bone, cartilage, or tendons. We're talking about a very simple tissue. This sort of tissue is multi-layered but it's not overly thick and can be manipulated fairly easily. As far as deforming these tissues significantly enough to cause growth it does not take a huge amount of force. When you do use "too much" force then you end up moving the tissues too much, the body perceives it as trauma, and then you have new tissue being generated but now instead of it causing growth it's actually layered to prevent the same "injury" from occurring down the road. This means the force applied above no longer gets the job done, which then means more force must be used to deform the tissues to the same degree previously. This is a never ending process that causes men to stop gaining, I've been there and it took 2 YEARS to figure all of this out.

Ok, now with this being said pulling to the point where a good stretch is felt at the base of the shaft in a SO position is indication that the tissues are giving to a degree. This is good. Anytime someone wants to loosen the hamstrings they don't pull it over their head to feel a good stretch to loosen up with, although this is a muscular comparison you get the idea. The idea is to stretch the tissue so it has to grow longer, and as it's very thinly layered tissue a HUGE amount of force is not needed. Pulling past the point of the tissues current position will prove to be enough stimulus for the tissue to grow longer, even if it is less than 1/4 of a cm this is still moving in the right direction. In the end this small gain on a day to day basis with proper rest days and consistent light pulls throughout the day this process can continue on at what I imagine to be infinite.

I can say that I haven't done much this week at all but I'm hanging much lower and my FSL has gotten to be fairly impressive. Each SU stretch is well over my belly button on a very light pull, so this is a very good sign. I've been in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] once this week, and actually had a water blister form along the right side of my glans (it's from the hole in the vac-extender, as I actually allowed some air into the cylinder while I was trying to put the sleeve on and it sucked some of the skin into the hole causing the blister to form over the hour that I had the thing on) which has made it very difficult to stretch much at all, but I've managed some very very light pulling and I'm definitely seeing improvements with a VERY VERY light load of work.

 

[Reber187]

I'm really confused as to why anyone would think they have to "buy" into this theory. It's a simple statement regarding how the body heals and how to manipulate the injury mechanism from never kicking on. What's so hard about that? For anyone who posts in this thread that they don't "buy" it you should take it up with your own biological functions and not with this thread.

Ok, so I'm going to attempt to explain deformation of tissues. To deform the tissues it doesn't take 1000lbs of force. To work with, what is majority collagenous tissue, it only takes a small amount of force to cause it to slide and move out of it's original alignment. We're not talking about bone, cartilage, or tendons. We're talking about a very simple tissue. This sort of tissue is multi-layered but it's not overly thick and can be manipulated fairly easily. As far as deforming these tissues significantly enough to cause growth it does not take a huge amount of force. When you do use "too much" force then you end up moving the tissues too much, the body perceives it as trauma, and then you have new tissue being generated but now instead of it causing growth it's actually layered to prevent the same "injury" from occurring down the road. This means the force applied above no longer gets the job done, which then means more force must be used to deform the tissues to the same degree previously. This is a never ending process that causes men to stop gaining, I've been there and it took 2 YEARS to figure all of this out.

Ok, now with this being said pulling to the point where a good stretch is felt at the base of the shaft in a SO position is indication that the tissues are giving to a degree. This is good. Anytime someone wants to loosen the hamstrings they don't pull it over their head to feel a good stretch to loosen up with, although this is a muscular comparison you get the idea. The idea is to stretch the tissue so it has to grow longer, and as it's very thinly layered tissue a HUGE amount of force is not needed. Pulling past the point of the tissues current position will prove to be enough stimulus for the tissue to grow longer, even if it is less than 1/4 of a cm this is still moving in the right direction. In the end this small gain on a day to day basis with proper rest days and consistent light pulls throughout the day this process can continue on at what I imagine to be infinite.

I can say that I haven't done much this week at all but I'm hanging much lower and my FSL has gotten to be fairly impressive. Each SU stretch is well over my belly button on a very light pull, so this is a very good sign. I've been in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] once this week, and actually had a water blister form along the right side of my glans (it's from the hole in the vac-extender, as I actually allowed some air into the cylinder while I was trying to put the sleeve on and it sucked some of the skin into the hole causing the blister to form over the hour that I had the thing on) which has made it very difficult to stretch much at all, but I've managed some very very light pulling and I'm definitely seeing improvements with a VERY VERY light load of work.

this is a simple, factual, clever thread, Millionman, and i'm injecting this all into my manual efforts.

i wanted to ask you if you fatigue with these progressive stretches? i myself have never fatigued when stretching manually, aside from when i hit SD(which i'm having skin trauma issues with)

i searched here(i know someone else asked) and googled but couldn't find the answer. what force do you think is exerted with a manual stretch? i.e. lbs


keep pusing

 

[10inchadvantage]

I'm really confused as to why anyone would think they have to "buy" into this theory. It's a simple statement regarding how the body heals and how to manipulate the injury mechanism from never kicking on. What's so hard about that? For anyone who posts in this thread that they don't "buy" it you should take it up with your own biological functions and not with this thread.

Ok, so I'm going to attempt to explain deformation of tissues. To deform the tissues it doesn't take 1000lbs of force. To work with, what is majority collagenous tissue, it only takes a small amount of force to cause it to slide and move out of it's original alignment. We're not talking about bone, cartilage, or tendons. We're talking about a very simple tissue. This sort of tissue is multi-layered but it's not overly thick and can be manipulated fairly easily. As far as deforming these tissues significantly enough to cause growth it does not take a huge amount of force. When you do use "too much" force then you end up moving the tissues too much, the body perceives it as trauma, and then you have new tissue being generated but now instead of it causing growth it's actually layered to prevent the same "injury" from occurring down the road. This means the force applied above no longer gets the job done, which then means more force must be used to deform the tissues to the same degree previously. This is a never ending process that causes men to stop gaining, I've been there and it took 2 YEARS to figure all of this out.

Ok, now with this being said pulling to the point where a good stretch is felt at the base of the shaft in a SO position is indication that the tissues are giving to a degree. This is good. Anytime someone wants to loosen the hamstrings they don't pull it over their head to feel a good stretch to loosen up with, although this is a muscular comparison you get the idea. The idea is to stretch the tissue so it has to grow longer, and as it's very thinly layered tissue a HUGE amount of force is not needed. Pulling past the point of the tissues current position will prove to be enough stimulus for the tissue to grow longer, even if it is less than 1/4 of a cm this is still moving in the right direction. In the end this small gain on a day to day basis with proper rest days and consistent light pulls throughout the day this process can continue on at what I imagine to be infinite.

I can say that I haven't done much this week at all but I'm hanging much lower and my FSL has gotten to be fairly impressive. Each SU stretch is well over my belly button on a very light pull, so this is a very good sign. I've been in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] once this week, and actually had a water blister form along the right side of my glans (it's from the hole in the vac-extender, as I actually allowed some air into the cylinder while I was trying to put the sleeve on and it sucked some of the skin into the hole causing the blister to form over the hour that I had the thing on) which has made it very difficult to stretch much at all, but I've managed some very very light pulling and I'm definitely seeing improvements with a VERY VERY light load of work.

This seems to be the idea that the StatiicStretcher acts on. However, this seems to be at short intervals rather than 24/7.

 

[millionman]

Well, to update this thread I'm beginning to narrow down the growth cycle. I should say at least it's what I've noticed as I'm progressing. I've noticed that I still have the occasional day where I feel very little to no tension in the tissues when I stretch. I've also noticed that on these days I measure almost an 1/8 of an inch shorter than a few days previous. Within 24 hours the tension is back in the tissue and the measurement is usually slightly longer than the 1/8 of an inch lost the day previous. I've been using the vac-extender a little bit less and spent a bit more time stretching with my hands throughout the day. So far I've been able to pinpoint the days that warrant more time spent stretching, but I usually will use the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] on these days for 30 minutes to an hour. I've found this out by simply testing the amount of stretch I get vs. how tight everything is. If it's really tight then I'll spend some time with the heating pad and then I'll use the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. If everything is very pliable then I'll focus more on stretching with my hands because within the next day or two there is no tension in the stretches. This is my personal growth cycle, or at least what I've found to this point. Things might change, but as of right now I feel like I have the rhytHydromax of things down fairly well.

 

[10inchadvantage]

I've decided to do less hanging and more sporadic stretching throughout the day, as hanging everyday is too hard on my penile tissues, I feel. Keep up the good work.

 

[dex]

Hey millionman, i like your approach.
But im asking me how can i incorporate your approach into a routine. Should jelqing be avoided in your theory?
How long should the stretching routine take place(to stretch longer than your fsl)?
How often you should do the light pulling throughout the day?

 

[millionman]

Dex, I'm sure that moderate volume jelqing once or twice in a week would work really well within the parameters of this model.

I'd keep my stretching sessions fairly brief, although this can vary based on the looseness or tightness at the base of the shaft. If you're loose then I'd say keep it at a minimum and stretch throughout the day to reach past the max FSL. On tighter days I'd say you could stretch a bit more intensely but I would still keep it fairly brief and then I'd be sure to stretch frequently throughout the day working past the Max. FSL. As I've said the max. FSL could be a centimeter or a half inch, but as long as it's further than the day before you're going to progress.

For me I've found that frequent stretching throughout the day, for maybe 1-2 minutes works really well regardless of how tight or loose I'm feeling on a given day.

 

[millionman]

Things are really coming along now. I've definitely nailed down the growth cycle and how I respond to lighter/heavier stretch days. I haven't used the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] in 2 weeks and I'm just chugging along doing manuals throughout the day and everything is going really well. I have some days when I'll stretch once or twice when I notice things are not as pliable as usual, as this has shown to be a "drawing up or tightening" of the tunica and ligs. This happened last week and I experienced lig "pops' on consecutive days and measured out at .25" longer than the previous measurement. I'm sitting at 8.5" FSL and a bit more since the lig pops last week, I think it comes out between 8.6 and 8.7" on the ruler. As I said things are moving forward in a very positive direction and I'm extremely happy with this progress. I'm thinking since I have the rhytHydromax down as far as the stretching goes maybe I'll start including jelqs in the evening starting with 100 2-3 times a week and see how this goes.

Has anyone tried experimenting with low volume jelqing while using this method for flaccid stretches?

 

[KnightRider]

millionman,

This is the first time I have read this thread, but I guess I was doing some similar stretching to what you were doing. I do my routine, but at the end of it for 1-2 min I will do my bpfsl test with a ruler. Basically I pull SO with the ruler and watch as my dick progress to 7.25 (sometimes its tight and I cant get there but I have made it over it twice (I just hit that mark about 12 days ago)). I dont feel like I pull as hard and I definitely notice that some days its really easy to get there and others its not. However, it is cool to watch your dick grow right in front of your eyes. Sometimes I have started at 7 bpfsl and as I pull and relax it grows to 7.25" its pretty cool to watch. Based on your theory though, I need to get more days over 7.25" so I will be trying to do that!! Good stuff man. Have you seen it translate in EL??

 

[DLD]

Think of the pulse 110 stretch DLD came up with a few years ago

Damn I feel old Great exercise though. Another one buried deep in the forum.

 

[millionman]

Well, as far as descriptions go that exercise really is what you want to do when you're trying to stretch just a bit further than the day before. It works very well with guys trying to grasp the "idea" of stretching just a tad further each and every pull.

 

[ithiel]

millionman im reading watchu doing but I dont get it?

 

[millionman]

It's fairly simple. Instead of trying to pull your dick off of your pubic bone, you simply pull to the point where you feel a nice stretch at the base of the penis. Depending on how the stretch feels you can either do more or less on that particular day. Basically the feeling at the base of the penis, whether it's tight with a ton of feeling or if it's completely loose with little to no feeling, dictates the amount of stretching for a particular day. This really works well with your natural rhytHydromaxs as you will heal and repair on the lighter days and other days you can focus on pulling until you have a "loose" feeling.

 

[goinfor11x7]

This makes a lot of sense. I call it, "Listening to your body,"--in this case your penis. Everything DLD has written confirms this experience. But we each have to find our own way and experience it for ourselves. This is kind of what I'm doing as well. I've been super busy lately so I do my stretches only when my dick makes a clear call to me. There are days when I can bone press stretch it beyond 8.5" to almost 8.75" and once in a rare while to just under 9". These moments are GREAT. They tell me that I'm not that far from a bona fide 9" stretched flaccid.

There are other days when my penis is tense and rigid. It's telling me that no way am I going to stretch it beyond that bottom line 8.5" marker. So forget it.

Great post.

 

[10inchadvantage]

This makes a lot of sense. I call it, "Listening to your body,"--in this case your penis. Everything DLD has written confirms this experience. But we each have to find our own way and experience it for ourselves. This is kind of what I'm doing as well. I've been super busy lately so I do my stretches only when my dick makes a clear call to me. There are days when I can bone press stretch it beyond 8.5" to almost 8.75" and once in a rare while to just under 9". These moments are GREAT. They tell me that I'm not that far from a bona fide 9" stretched flaccid.

There are other days when my penis is tense and rigid. It's telling me that no way am I going to stretch it beyond that bottom line 8.5" marker. So forget it.

Great post.

I've been doing Penis Enlargement for three years and still don't know if I'll ever find that "sweet spot" between rest and gains. It seems that very few people, if ever, do.

 

[REDZULU2003]

I just noticed this thread. Sounds like good sense to me. I dont think that much time needs to be spent with Penis Enlargement ... i.e hours and hours, days and days ... for me, and I think for many others it needs to be BRIEF and INTENSE with REST in order to see results.

Use HIT principles with my weight lifting and I see best results I have ever seen on my body and I also think its true with the penis .... exercise it very hard in quick sessions with good rest between them to heal and grow....I didnt exercise my cock like some here and used what a termed ''eggshell routines'' as they were scattered like broken egg shells when I used to workout.

So if you think about this proggressive stretching ... yes it makes great sense because if you will its like proggressive resistance in lifting weights, in eachtime you lift its heavier than it was before or if thats not changed than your more intense .. something like that and yes it works for the body to make muscle so to me it makes sense for the penis.

 

[Xmetal]

I agree that somtimes less is more. It seems for me training 4 or 5 times a week with 1 hour sessions of stretching and jelging is best. I also stretch after peeing with a 10 second pull. I am also gaining an 1/16 to an 1/8 of an inch per month. It seems to me the more you have sex or rub one off it seems to help in size by keeping the blood flowing. I have also taken a few days off or sometimes a week and still made gains. I have done bodybuilding and power lifting, and when you overtrain your more prone to injuries and your gains stop! To me this is the last body part that I would want to injure.

 

[millionman]

The central idea to this is to progressively stretch your penis to a longer length each and every day. It's not really focused on the intensity of the stretch, how long you hold a stretch, or how long you spend total time. The idea is to stretch longer each day, whether it takes 5 minutes or 20 minutes spread throughout the day. Intensity is actually counterproductive in regards to the penis because an individual can very easily cross the line of progress into injury very quickly without even realizing it. If you can keep things in perspective and work every day to make your penis longer with a balanced approach the progress will be there. The other key is to understand how your body is responding to the regimen. It's quite simple to understand and very easy to follow.

 

[REDZULU2003]

ell I have my own thoughts and ideas on the matter and plan on hopefully in the not too distant future experimenting with some ideas I have on Penis Enlargement.

Intensity for me mattters with regards to pe ... if you dont stretch intense than you cant be getting that tissue out to encourage it to grow ... for me I know my fine line and when to and not cross it ... once this is found your halfway to the finish line.

So yea .. stretch eachday progressively further and further than you did the day before and make it intense and brief ... not like loads and loads of time. If its not intense and not 110% effort than yea invest more time but if its very intense in that period of time with allot of force than you dont need many sessions but as you say KNOW your line and dont cross it.

I also talk from experience here with regards to all my massive girth gains ... I used the same principles mate albeit instead of getting longer eachtime I went for thickness eachtime.

Looking back now I didnt need to do those sessions so long either i.e. 20-45 mins non stop clamping ... it worked, but I reckon it would have done more in 10-15 mins done more intense than the longer sessions I did.

Its like HIT in the gym, many cant do it because they cant train in good form strictly and push themselves through muscle failure and keep striving to do this session after session ... it works, for me anyways but not for everyone as they cannot use that method and others work ofcourse just like my method of girth isnt the gospel to getting a thicker cock but it works damn well and I would bet money on it working very well for length.

 

[millionman]

I really don't agree with the idea that 110% effort is necessary. Being that the amount of tension needed to grow more penis, which is nearly 100% soft tissue, is not 1000lbs of force then why would you treat it as a maximum effort tug-o-war? The whole point of this method, or theory, is that you only need a SMALL amount of tension to change the size and shape of the tissues in the penis.

As for the idea of "training to failure" in regards to bodybuilding, I'm glad that it's working for you. Regardless of what your progress has been so far I can guarantee you that at some point you will burn out. Your CNS can not and will not sustain that level of activity because as it goes your body will adapt to the system and will ultimately require more training volume, different movements, varied sets and rep schemes, etc etc. HIIT training has been discusses ad infinitum among the Strength and Conditioning coaches the world over, and there is very little value placed upon the theories or principles of HIIT.

Another note on this is that "failure" can either be mechanical, nervous system related, stress from life, not eating enough calories, training too frequently etc etc. Genuine muscle failure is CNS governed, and this is a nearly impossible threshold to reach because the muscles can no longer recruit the larger motor units to move the weights and the smaller units, slow twitch fibers, are not strong enough to move the load. This is the primary reason that a weight starts to feel "heavy" during a set because MUs are falling off due to fatigue. This is a good thing, but you're missing out on a whole lot of muscle growth and strength gains by training to this point because the Large fast twitch fibers have the greatest potential for growth. This means that if you take a heavy load and move it for 1-3 reps with good speed for multiple sets, usually between 6-10 sets, that you will see fantastic size gains as well as strength gains without ever coming close to failure.

If anyone is interested try this with a Bench Press with 80-95% of your maximum weight on the bar and do sets of 2-3, while moving the bar with as much speed as possible (note: this does not mean dropping the bar to your chest, the negative is always controlled but the reverse of the movement is to move the bar with great technique as quickly as possible), and perform this for 8-10 sets. I can assure you that you will feel worked, and more than likely spent using such a heavy load for a high number of sets.

 

[ozzy83]

Hey millionman,

This thread has got me doing some serious thinking. I been sitting at the same BPenis EnlargementL of 6.75in for the last 18 months and I'm willing to give this idea of progressive stretching a serious try. Just wanted to confirm if I got the details correct. On the days where I feel tight at the base, I should stretch with a bit more intensity and more frequently to get it fast Max FSL and on days where I feel loose and pliable, I should stretch less frequently and with less intensity? Am I correct?? Thanks

 

[REDZULU2003]

I really don't agree with the idea that 110% effort is necessary. Being that the amount of tension needed to grow more penis, which is nearly 100% soft tissue, is not 1000lbs of force then why would you treat it as a maximum effort tug-o-war? The whole point of this method, or theory, is that you only need a SMALL amount of tension to change the size and shape of the tissues in the penis.

As for the idea of "training to failure" in regards to bodybuilding, I'm glad that it's working for you. Regardless of what your progress has been so far I can guarantee you that at some point you will burn out. Your CNS can not and will not sustain that level of activity because as it goes your body will adapt to the system and will ultimately require more training volume, different movements, varied sets and rep schemes, etc etc. HIIT training has been discusses ad infinitum among the Strength and Conditioning coaches the world over, and there is very little value placed upon the theories or principles of HIIT.

Another note on this is that "failure" can either be mechanical, nervous system related, stress from life, not eating enough calories, training too frequently etc etc. Genuine muscle failure is CNS governed, and this is a nearly impossible threshold to reach because the muscles can no longer recruit the larger motor units to move the weights and the smaller units, slow twitch fibers, are not strong enough to move the load. This is the primary reason that a weight starts to feel "heavy" during a set because MUs are falling off due to fatigue. This is a good thing, but you're missing out on a whole lot of muscle growth and strength gains by training to this point because the Large fast twitch fibers have the greatest potential for growth. This means that if you take a heavy load and move it for 1-3 reps with good speed for multiple sets, usually between 6-10 sets, that you will see fantastic size gains as well as strength gains without ever coming close to failure.

If anyone is interested try this with a Bench Press with 80-95% of your maximum weight on the bar and do sets of 2-3, while moving the bar with as much speed as possible (note: this does not mean dropping the bar to your chest, the negative is always controlled but the reverse of the movement is to move the bar with great technique as quickly as possible), and perform this for 8-10 sets. I can assure you that you will feel worked, and more than likely spent using such a heavy load for a high number of sets.

No worries mate. You have your opinion and I have myn. What works for me wont work for everyone else and vice versa. My penis enlargement has been nothing short or incredible and my penis thickness is well known ... tried and tested but it might not work on everyone.

The HIT .. again it works great for me. I use various principles in my routine, which I should have stated and my apologies .. I dont just use HIT principles.

I have found IN MY EXPenis EnlargementRIENCE that HIT and related principles work exceptional for strength and size gains.

My strength is equal to someone over 200lbs ... I weigh 170lbs and play rugby on the right wing and soon will go into Center and handle guys in the 200lb region with ease ... many comment on how do I manage to lift them and bring them down with such power and strength for my size .. even though I aint small ... I tell them about the HIT principles I use.

Like I have said, what works for one wont work for another.

On the CNS issue, YES for sure one will burn out and crash but thats why one needs to rest reguler when they train very intense which is what I do.

With more intensity comes more rest and more strength and size gains [I have found and continue to see!] if one trains with less intensity they can manage to train more freq'.

I'm no qualified coach and do not wish to be one but what I know is through tried and tested methods I myself have used and it must work well as like I have said guys come to me wanting advice for their strength and they are allot larger than me ... even been accused of being on banned substances because of my strength.

Sorry for hijacking this also with fitness .. apologies, but finally much has to do with the mental game here too ... both penile and other bodily exercise ... overcome the mind and the body can do many things one thinks impossible ... I have found this time and time again.

Peace and take care

 

[millionman]

Ozzy, You're on the right track.