Progressive Stretching

[ozzy83]

Thanks Millionman. Please keep us posted on your progress with this method as most guys on here including myself are spending hours and hours on day and would love to cut that time in half if not more and see good result. Keep up the good work!

 

[millionman]

Well, I've maxed out the total length I can stretch to using my vac-extender and am looking to get some longer rods, but can't seem to find any. If someone could help me find some 12" rods that would be awesome. Maybe DLD could send me the code for extra parts from the [words=https://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=113512&s=1220]jes[/words]/vimax [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] folks.

 

[ithiel]

to yall saying you do hours of pe with no results, you doing something wrong. Form and intensity check on it. I be the 1st to tell you the more you do the quicker the gains.

 

[millionman]

Ithiel, Although you might do well with LONG routines with a ton of intensity, I have not. I've been here for close to 4 years, and you think that by "doing more" and "going harder" that I would have already reached somewhere in the neighborhood of 10". I've been over this more than once with you, now stay the hell out of this thread.

 

[millionman]

As of this moment I measure at 8.5" FSL. I've actually been doing less over the last 2 weeks and have added about another 1/8 of an inch in FSL. I now measure at over 8" EL which was my original goal size. This for me is extremely satisfying and I'm more than a little bit happy about the progress that I've made over the last 6 months. I've broken through a plateau of more than 2 years and have continued to gain by learning how to read my body and the amount of stress I need to grow. I actually feel that I'm a relatively easy gainer, but I spent so much time thinking I need to make things more difficult and that I had to find new ways to "stress" the target areas that I lost sight of how easy it can be to grow more penis. You can stretch as hard as you can and not grow, but you can also stretch just a little bit further each and every day and you WILL grow. This isn't rocket science and I wish it didn't take me nearly 4 years to reach this point but I've learned a ton along the way and I hope that I have helped some of the men here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] with the experiences I've had.

 

[ithiel]

what the fuck is you crying about fam? You can come and say whatever you want about low intensity in my threads and how ever many times you want. You gotta be hatin on some shit I'm bringing?

 

[10inchadvantage]

Ithiel, while hardcore routines might work for some, it sets others back. Everyone's physiology is different. I think my physiological makeup is somewhat more like millionman's. I just do period stretches throughout the day and am feeling better than when I was hanging, surprisingly.

 

[millionman]

Ithiel, You've asked a question in this thread that I answered and then you come back and attempt to jack the thread. That's what I'm pissed about. You can do whatever it is that you want as far as routines go, but this thread is for those of us who have tried it the DLD, BIB, Redzulu, Supra, or whoever else has promoted a routine that THEY used to make gains here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and haven't got much if anything to show for it. Do your thing homie, I'm not trying to stand in the way of your progress but you come into my thread and start disregarding what has been written and telling people that they're not working "hard enough" is totally unacceptable. I've been one of the hardest working men in Penis Enlargement for a long time and it got me my first inch in EL, but since then I gained less than half an inch. Now more than 2 years later I've gained close to another inch in length.

10inchadvantage, What you're noticing is your tissue is no longer traumatized after your brief session, so your body is not having to respond to an injury. Overall your penis should be healthier from Penis Enlargement not beat up and unusable. I've noticed recently that my CS is filling with blood more easily and it is definitely more consistently filled now. I think this particular method along with my regular chiropractic adjustments has made a huge difference in the quality and frequency of my erections.

Has anyone introduced jelqing into their program? I've been working it in 1 every week but I'm not quite sure if I need to add in some more time or not.

 

[10inchadvantage]

Ithiel, You've asked a question in this thread that I answered and then you come back and attempt to jack the thread. That's what I'm pissed about. You can do whatever it is that you want as far as routines go, but this thread is for those of us who have tried it the DLD, BIB, Redzulu, Supra, or whoever else has promoted a routine that THEY used to make gains here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and haven't got much if anything to show for it. Do your thing homie, I'm not trying to stand in the way of your progress but you come into my thread and start disregarding what has been written and telling people that they're not working "hard enough" is totally unacceptable. I've been one of the hardest working men in Penis Enlargement for a long time and it got me my first inch in EL, but since then I gained less than half an inch. Now more than 2 years later I've gained close to another inch in length.

10inchadvantage, What you're noticing is your tissue is no longer traumatized after your brief session, so your body is not having to respond to an injury. Overall your penis should be healthier from Penis Enlargement not beat up and unusable. I've noticed recently that my CS is filling with blood more easily and it is definitely more consistently filled now. I think this particular method along with my regular chiropractic adjustments has made a huge difference in the quality and frequency of my erections.

Has anyone introduced jelqing into their program? I've been working it in 1 every week but I'm not quite sure if I need to add in some more time or not.

Yes, in fact my CS is almost "fully cured." It used to not inflate at all. Now it's pretty large but still can be improved. I need to go to a chiropractor or something. I've been looking into a back-stretching machine to stretch out my spine and cure the curvature in it (mid spine scoliosis). It hurts me throughout the day and feel that my life would be more pain free if it was CURED, not just treated for an amount of time.

 

[millionman]

10inchadvantage, If there's a chiropractor in your area that comes highly recommended then go and see if you can get treatment for your condition. Do you workout at all?

 

[10inchadvantage]

10inchadvantage, If there's a chiropractor in your area that comes highly recommended then go and see if you can get treatment for your condition. Do you workout at all?

Everyday.

 

[ozzy83]

For the past 3 weeks or so I've been my stretching program has been very similar to what Millionman is describing. I'm just pulling straight out until I feel tight near the base and just past that point. I haven't measured (will measure on nov 7) but flaccid hang had definetely improved. Hows your progress coming along millionman?? Anyone else?

 

[millionman]

I'm doing really well. It seemed as though I had stalled out recently but I measured yesterday and I have gained a pretty fair amount over the last 2-3 weeks. I'm sitting at an average of 1/8 of inch per month, which means I'm ever closer to 8.75" FSL. I'm still stretching pretty regularly throughout the day, but I've noticed that when I have a "lig pop" that I measure about an 1/8 of an inch more instantly. I can say that this revelation is why I'm not 100% sure that it's the ligament at the base of the penis popping, but I feel like it could be scar tissue or at the very least tissue that is so tight that it has to be broken loose. It's pretty strange how these occur as I have to be sitting and usually just out of the shower. I usually take a very solid grip and pull down gradually and tighten as I extend toward the floor. I usually pull out at an angle from the pubic bone and then slightly downward, and it will give on either the left or right side of the pubic bone. It's a very strange phenomenon and I can't really seem to find a reason that it happens.

 

[Reber187]

bump this :baby:


keep pushing

 

[millionman]

Recently I've been experimenting with jelqing 2-3 nights a week, usually 1-2 days apart, and I've really seen some improvements in my FSL since this addition. I've also noticed an increase in frequency of the "lig pops" that usually accompany an increase in FSL. I'm measuring a bit more than 8.6" in FSL and coming ever closer to the 8.75" mark on the ruler. I'm not really sure how all of this is coming together so perfectly but I am still gaining consistently. I'm trying to workout how all of this fits together, as I'd like to synthesize a hypothesis to hopefully explain this but it will take some time.

 

[10inchadvantage]

Recently I've been experimenting with jelqing 2-3 nights a week, usually 1-2 days apart, and I've really seen some improvements in my FSL since this addition. I've also noticed an increase in frequency of the "lig pops" that usually accompany an increase in FSL. I'm measuring a bit more than 8.6" in FSL and coming ever closer to the 8.75" mark on the ruler. I'm not really sure how all of this is coming together so perfectly but I am still gaining consistently. I'm trying to workout how all of this fits together, as I'd like to synthesize a hypothesis to hopefully explain this but it will take some time.

I have recently tried doing girth work everyday, and my penis just can't handle it. I think I'm truly a one-on-one-off type of guy. I also gain the fastest doing a routine similar to yours. Keep up the good work. You're a great example that you don't need to beat up your dick in order to make gains.

 

[goinfor11x7]

Recently I've been experimenting with jelqing 2-3 nights a week, usually 1-2 days apart, and I've really seen some improvements in my FSL since this addition. I've also noticed an increase in frequency of the "lig pops" that usually accompany an increase in FSL. I'm measuring a bit more than 8.6" in FSL and coming ever closer to the 8.75" mark on the ruler. I'm not really sure how all of this is coming together so perfectly but I am still gaining consistently. I'm trying to workout how all of this fits together, as I'd like to synthesize a hypothesis to hopefully explain this but it will take some time.[/QUOTE

Millionman,

You and I are at virtually the same mark. Have you thought of joining the November support group? There are two or three of us shooting for a cold 9" Bone pressed flaccid stretch. Are you game to join us?

:s

 

[SAldag]

According to this theory I can see how less would be more when it comes to the intensity of stretching, but not when it comes to the amount of time. I also never understood why someone would need stretch rest days, cause I always thought that the best thing for length (as opposed to girth) is to never let it fully heal.
So what about your approach when it comes to intensity, but with 3 times 1 hour sessions a day?

 

[millionman]

10inchadvantage, Everyday girth work is definitely counterproductive. I've found that even sporadic, once every 2-3 days, with jelqing leads to an increase in girth. I think that one of the things that gets overlooked is how we're attempting to increase blood flow INTO the penis. Most men only consider that we're trying to "enlarge" the penis by going for maximum expansion. I've found that by working to promote an increased blood flow that my penis is starting to gain in thickness without having to really worry about "maximum expansion".

Goingfor, I think I'll pass on joining the group, although I do appreciate the invite.

Saldag, I'd say that this method still fits into the idea of "never letting it heal" because you never work to the point where you've injured the tissue. The idea that this whole thread is anchored on is to stretch ONLY to the point where new growth can occur. That means that once you have reached this point there's no reason to continue, because past the point of new growth is injury. There is a considerable amount of work that you can do, but it's not really necessary because it's not going to cause you to gain anymore quickly either way. The only thing that can happen with too much work is slowed progress and even NO progress.

Keep things simple. I always work with the thought that if there's a stretch feeling at the base of the shaft then I'm ok to stretch for a bit. If there's little to no stretch feeling then I know that there's no need for a ton of stretching because my body has not yet gotten back to 100% yet. The whole idea is to do enough work to grow so that your progress is continual and nearly guaranteed for the LONG TERM. Take it one day at a time and listen to what your body is or is not telling you and move forward from there.

 

[Munson]

10inchadvantage, Everyday girth work is definitely counterproductive. I've found that even sporadic, once every 2-3 days, with jelqing leads to an increase in girth. I think that one of the things that gets overlooked is how we're attempting to increase blood flow INTO the penis. Most men only consider that we're trying to "enlarge" the penis by going for maximum expansion. I've found that by working to promote an increased blood flow that my penis is starting to gain in thickness without having to really worry about "maximum expansion".

Goingfor, I think I'll pass on joining the group, although I do appreciate the invite.

Saldag, I'd say that this method still fits into the idea of "never letting it heal" because you never work to the point where you've injured the tissue. The idea that this whole thread is anchored on is to stretch ONLY to the point where new growth can occur. That means that once you have reached this point there's no reason to continue, because past the point of new growth is injury. There is a considerable amount of work that you can do, but it's not really necessary because it's not going to cause you to gain anymore quickly either way. The only thing that can happen with too much work is slowed progress and even NO progress.

Keep things simple. I always work with the thought that if there's a stretch feeling at the base of the shaft then I'm ok to stretch for a bit. If there's little to no stretch feeling then I know that there's no need for a ton of stretching because my body has not yet gotten back to 100% yet. The whole idea is to do enough work to grow so that your progress is continual and nearly guaranteed for the LONG TERM. Take it one day at a time and listen to what your body is or is not telling you and move forward from there.

Im not fully understanding the routine you are doing here.. Do you actually do a full stretch routine a few times a day? Like stretch up, down, left, right etc. like in the newb stretch routine then do a measured stretch? Or are you just stretching directly out?

 

[10inchadvantage]

10inchadvantage, Everyday girth work is definitely counterproductive. I've found that even sporadic, once every 2-3 days, with jelqing leads to an increase in girth. I think that one of the things that gets overlooked is how we're attempting to increase blood flow INTO the penis. Most men only consider that we're trying to "enlarge" the penis by going for maximum expansion. I've found that by working to promote an increased blood flow that my penis is starting to gain in thickness without having to really worry about "maximum expansion".

Goingfor, I think I'll pass on joining the group, although I do appreciate the invite.

Saldag, I'd say that this method still fits into the idea of "never letting it heal" because you never work to the point where you've injured the tissue. The idea that this whole thread is anchored on is to stretch ONLY to the point where new growth can occur. That means that once you have reached this point there's no reason to continue, because past the point of new growth is injury. There is a considerable amount of work that you can do, but it's not really necessary because it's not going to cause you to gain anymore quickly either way. The only thing that can happen with too much work is slowed progress and even NO progress.

Keep things simple. I always work with the thought that if there's a stretch feeling at the base of the shaft then I'm ok to stretch for a bit. If there's little to no stretch feeling then I know that there's no need for a ton of stretching because my body has not yet gotten back to 100% yet. The whole idea is to do enough work to grow so that your progress is continual and nearly guaranteed for the LONG TERM. Take it one day at a time and listen to what your body is or is not telling you and move forward from there.

Hell yeah dude I'm applying this to girth now since it's working so well for length. If I could get an accurate bpfsl I'd be able to show what looks to be 8.75" or more at times in my stretches now. It used to be about 8.4" a few months ago but has really taken off. I also rarely see my flaccid below 5.5" nbp and when I often measure after running I'm right around 6" nbp truly flaccid. I'll see if I can get a friends' digital camera to take a picture. Also, I feel reaching 9" bpfsl in the next few months is a definite possibility. I'm loving the results I'm getting. I've recently added an hour or two of wearing my [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] in different positions to supplement my, at most, 30 minutes of stretching a day. I'm liking the results I'm seeing.

 

[Munson]

why cant I find motlissof's thread on this?

 

[millionman]

Well, it seems that fossiltom decided that he would like all of his contributions to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] removed. I'm not sure why, but there no longer here on the forums. He was one of the catalysts that helped me to rethink my stance on how to grow a bigger penis. The other thing that really started me thinking was how the body heals itself and the varying degrees of stress and the reaction to a particular stress.

 

[Munson]

Well, it seems that fossiltom decided that he would like all of his contributions to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] removed. I'm not sure why, but there no longer here on the forums. He was one of the catalysts that helped me to rethink my stance on how to grow a bigger penis. The other thing that really started me thinking was how the body heals itself and the varying degrees of stress and the reaction to a particular stress.

Millionman, I sent you a message I guess you didn't get it.. I am just curious about a couple of things here. Are you doing full stretch routines various times throughout the day? say 5/10 minute newbie stretch a few times throughout the day? I am just starting out would this be sufficient?

 

[millionman]

Millionman, I sent you a message I guess you didn't get it.. I am just curious about a couple of things here. Are you doing full stretch routines various times throughout the day? say 5/10 minute newbie stretch a few times throughout the day? I am just starting out would this be sufficient?

I've answered that question several times already within this thread. I work at all sorts of angles, and I don't really do a "routine". I really just stretch to the maximum length, given all of the indicators that I've covered in this thread, and when I feel sufficiently stretched I stop. Usually it takes no more than 15 minutes on my tightest of days to get loose, and usually 2-3 minutes on really loose days.

Today for example I stretched for about 10 minutes SD, at a 45 degree angle to the pubic bone (which is one of my favorite angles), SO, and a bit of SU working to reach beyond my belly button. It's pretty simple, efficient, and it works really well for me. I like to keep things very very simple.

I would go with a basic approach to all of your stretches. The key to this whole approach is understanding how YOUR penis responds to the amount of stress you're placing on it.

 

[millionman]

Well, I've had another "growth spurt". I'm not sure how much as I'm not going to measure for a long while. It is interesting to me how things are ebbing and flowing so fluidly now. I actually predicted my own "growth spurt" because of how my penis felt. Basically it seems that, in my case, my FSL will shrink and become very tough to stretch and then over the course of 2-3 days things will loosen and I'm a bit larger in the erect state. It's strange to have these "bad stretching days" and then on the other side of it your erect state is larger. I've talked about the depression and elongation of the tissues and as I'm getting more and more accustomed to these cycles it's becoming more clear each time that before you will experience an EL gain the FSL size HAS to shrink. The body is only preparing for the changes it is having to make so there is some compensation in the opposite state. This has been a great adventure so far and I'm really excited about where this is taking me.

 

[ozzy83]

I think I've gained around 1/8 of an inch since my last measurement from when I started trying this method for the last 6 weeks. Any updates Million?

 

[10inchadvantage]

I haven't been gaining shit to be honest.

 

[millionman]

10inch, Sorry to hear that. What have you been doing lately?

I have to say that I've noticed my gains have slowed a bit, but I'm still moving up the ladder. It might be time to completely take off, but then again I measure my EL and I'm up about an 1/8 of an inch since last time. My FSL hasn't moved very much but it seems that my conversion rate from FSL to EL is really SLOWWWWW. I've noticed that when my FSL is gaining my erection quality seems to lack but then when my FSL seems to have stalled my erection quality is great and I'm usually diamond cutter hard.

I haven't been doing any jelqing lately and that could be another reason for the slower conversion. I am contemplating this as well as getting back into using my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. I took a long time off from using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] because I wanted to see how I could gain with using just my hands for shorter durations and with less total time spent during the week. It's worked fairly well, and measuring closer and closer to 9" has helped me continue in this manner but now I think I'm up for a bit of change. I'm going to stick with the progressive method but I'm going to more than likely throw in an hour or two a week in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words].

 

[10inchadvantage]

10inch, Sorry to hear that. What have you been doing lately?

I have to say that I've noticed my gains have slowed a bit, but I'm still moving up the ladder. It might be time to completely take off, but then again I measure my EL and I'm up about an 1/8 of an inch since last time. My FSL hasn't moved very much but it seems that my conversion rate from FSL to EL is really SLOWWWWW. I've noticed that when my FSL is gaining my erection quality seems to lack but then when my FSL seems to have stalled my erection quality is great and I'm usually diamond cutter hard.

I haven't been doing any jelqing lately and that could be another reason for the slower conversion. I am contemplating this as well as getting back into using my [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. I took a long time off from using the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] because I wanted to see how I could gain with using just my hands for shorter durations and with less total time spent during the week. It's worked fairly well, and measuring closer and closer to 9" has helped me continue in this manner but now I think I'm up for a bit of change. I'm going to stick with the progressive method but I'm going to more than likely throw in an hour or two a week in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words].

Sounds similar to my body's own responses. I have gained in bpfsl, I've seen days where it's over 8.8 bpfsl. However, when I started my erection standing bone pressed was 8.25" long. Recently I've been getting measurements from 8 to 8.2" long. I have noticed this decline in erect length for the past two months, even though bpfsl appears to be getting longer. Maybe it's the cold weather (of which we only get about 2-3 months max)? Ever since starting progressive stretching I have not gained .1" in erect length, only in stretched length, which is nice, but I want the erect length.

I am considering going back to hanging with the BIB and my vacuum hanger no more than an hour a day. Hanging, at the least, provided good erect length gains which progressive stretching has not. I'm not sure why, but I know what works for my body. Bpfsl is useless if you're not gaining in bpel.

 

[millionman]

10inch, Are you doing any supplemental jelqing or squeezes? I noticed that when I was experimenting with 300 jelqs every other night that it seemed to really help my EL along rather quickly. Flaccid stretched length has come a long way, but the EL is just now starting to really catch up. I've had measurement issues as well, and I'm not sure if it's the cold weather or if it's the conversion. I've noticed this particular problem throughout my Penis Enlargement career, but I've never really been clear on what exactly causes this issue.

 

[10inchadvantage]

10inch, Are you doing any supplemental jelqing or squeezes? I noticed that when I was experimenting with 300 jelqs every other night that it seemed to really help my EL along rather quickly. Flaccid stretched length has come a long way, but the EL is just now starting to really catch up. I've had measurement issues as well, and I'm not sure if it's the cold weather or if it's the conversion. I've noticed this particular problem throughout my Penis Enlargement career, but I've never really been clear on what exactly causes this issue.

My routine right now is as follows:

3 x 10 pumping at 2-5 hg
1-5 minutes jelqing after each pump session
2 x 10 clamping with 2 clicks in between pumping
stretching whenever I feel the need to

I'll try hanging a set for 20 minutes today I believe. I'll gauge based on my responses.

 

[millionman]

10inch, It might seem like you're not doing enough but I think you might be over doing it a bit. I've been working on girth work and trying to decide which method was going to give the highest rewards, and I got to thinking back to when I made my best girth gains. I came back to a period of time about 2, almost 3, years ago when I was doing manual girth exercises. I was using Uli squeezes and horse 440s and my girth went from a paltry 5.0" to 5.5" in a fairly short amount of time. I would usually warm up with a warm rag and move into 100-150 jelqs and then I'd squeeze until my hands got tired. This kept my sessions rather short and usually very productive. Vaselinknight posted his thoughts on girth training in another thread and discussed the collapsing of the tunica and venous systems within the penis and I think that's very accurate when the penis is under tremendous internal pressure for sustained periods of time. Personally I've found that multiple days in a row clamping always led to weakened erections and poor sessions. I had some success with pumping and jelqing but I ended up having a similar problem when I went to 4 sessions every day with clamping in between sessions.

I'm not concluding that high internal pressure is a negative thing, but I do believe prolonged exposure to high internal pressure will lead to a thickening of the tunica from the inside out and could severely hinder progress. I think that by using manual girth exercises you take the guess work out and your hands will limit the total amount of work you can do, and this is a good thing. I'm experimenting with a protocol of 100 jelqs and no more than 5 squeezes every day to see what my results are. My girth has fallen a bit since I haven't been doing anything for it, but I've gained nearly a whole inch in FSL and almost .75" in EL. I think it's been a fair trade off.

 

[ozzy83]

Million,

To be honest, I must be really dense but I have a hard time determining how hard to stretch. The last few years I've been so accumstomed to streching as hard as possible that its become difficult for me to determine when i'm stretching "far enough" but not too far. I have gained roughly 1/8 but I dont' to if I can attribute that to progressive stretching since I have been hanging BTC as well.

I grasp the head between the thumb and forefinger and I gently strech it out. Once I have stretched it out to the maximum it will go, any further attempt to get it past that marginal stretch is accompanied by a very tight feeling in the base area. No matter how hard I pull its very hard to go "beyond" that. I guess i've got a really strong tunica. Any advice? thanks as always.

 

[10inchadvantage]

10inch, It might seem like you're not doing enough but I think you might be over doing it a bit. I've been working on girth work and trying to decide which method was going to give the highest rewards, and I got to thinking back to when I made my best girth gains. I came back to a period of time about 2, almost 3, years ago when I was doing manual girth exercises. I was using Uli squeezes and horse 440s and my girth went from a paltry 5.0" to 5.5" in a fairly short amount of time. I would usually warm up with a warm rag and move into 100-150 jelqs and then I'd squeeze until my hands got tired. This kept my sessions rather short and usually very productive. Vaselinknight posted his thoughts on girth training in another thread and discussed the collapsing of the tunica and venous systems within the penis and I think that's very accurate when the penis is under tremendous internal pressure for sustained periods of time. Personally I've found that multiple days in a row clamping always led to weakened erections and poor sessions. I had some success with pumping and jelqing but I ended up having a similar problem when I went to 4 sessions every day with clamping in between sessions.

I'm not concluding that high internal pressure is a negative thing, but I do believe prolonged exposure to high internal pressure will lead to a thickening of the tunica from the inside out and could severely hinder progress. I think that by using manual girth exercises you take the guess work out and your hands will limit the total amount of work you can do, and this is a good thing. I'm experimenting with a protocol of 100 jelqs and no more than 5 squeezes every day to see what my results are. My girth has fallen a bit since I haven't been doing anything for it, but I've gained nearly a whole inch in FSL and almost .75" in EL. I think it's been a fair trade off.

I forgot to mention I do this one on one off. Plus, I only clamp with two clicks over a dress sock, so it's a whole different ball game than how people "normally" clamp. Erections have been good, btw.

 

[millionman]

Ozzy83, I usually stretch very hard. Not rip your penis off the bone hard, but I will stretch until it feels as if there's no where else to go. Once I reach that point then I attempt to take it a bit further. There is no real way to say exactly how much tension you should use, but my guideline is to pull to maximum stretch, which is the current max FSL, and then go a bit beyond that point. Now, there won't be a huge "give" at this point as the penis is at it's maximum length, however you can attempt to take a bit beyond that and that's where gains are made. Length of session doesn't really matter, as long as you feel good and stretched at the end. I've had sessions where this happens in 5 minutes, or in 35 minutes. It all depends on how your penis is responding to the work you are putting in. Now, the key to this method is to not focus on how hard or how long but to focus on the feeling your penis is giving you. If you're sore at the base, in all likelihood you'll be better off with a lighter stretching day. If you are not getting much feedback from your penis, you might spend a little bit more time stretching. If your penis feels tight and lacks any sort of spring back or "slack" then you might think of taking a day off. It's all relevant to where you are in the healing cycle.

10inch, Try spending a little less time on girth, at least using any intense methods, as one of the lessons I took from BIB was to not attempt both girth and length at the same time as this will slow progress. If we keep it simple, and stay headed in one direction, we can achieve a goal more directly than if we were to split our attentions in two different directions simultaneously. I've been working length only for the better part of a year, and I've gotten nearly another 1" in FSL in that time and over .5" in EL in that same time. That rate of return is better than my two year streak of no length gains and only moderate girth gains. I really do think that attempting both is counterproductive. I will say that using the jelq, usually no more than 300 at a session, is a great way to promote a healthy penis and add small amounts of girth. As I've said before I've found it to be a solid way of aiding the conversion from FSL to EL.

 

[10inchadvantage]

Ozzy83, I usually stretch very hard. Not rip your penis off the bone hard, but I will stretch until it feels as if there's no where else to go. Once I reach that point then I attempt to take it a bit further. There is no real way to say exactly how much tension you should use, but my guideline is to pull to maximum stretch, which is the current max FSL, and then go a bit beyond that point. Now, there won't be a huge "give" at this point as the penis is at it's maximum length, however you can attempt to take a bit beyond that and that's where gains are made. Length of session doesn't really matter, as long as you feel good and stretched at the end. I've had sessions where this happens in 5 minutes, or in 35 minutes. It all depends on how your penis is responding to the work you are putting in. Now, the key to this method is to not focus on how hard or how long but to focus on the feeling your penis is giving you. If you're sore at the base, in all likelihood you'll be better off with a lighter stretching day. If you are not getting much feedback from your penis, you might spend a little bit more time stretching. If your penis feels tight and lacks any sort of spring back or "slack" then you might think of taking a day off. It's all relevant to where you are in the healing cycle.

10inch, Try spending a little less time on girth, at least using any intense methods, as one of the lessons I took from BIB was to not attempt both girth and length at the same time as this will slow progress. If we keep it simple, and stay headed in one direction, we can achieve a goal more directly than if we were to split our attentions in two different directions simultaneously. I've been working length only for the better part of a year, and I've gotten nearly another 1" in FSL in that time and over .5" in EL in that same time. That rate of return is better than my two year streak of no length gains and only moderate girth gains. I really do think that attempting both is counterproductive. I will say that using the jelq, usually no more than 300 at a session, is a great way to promote a healthy penis and add small amounts of girth. As I've said before I've found it to be a solid way of aiding the conversion from FSL to EL.

I'm not stopping girth work for anything. Yes, my length gains (only in the bpfsl) may slow, but I'm not too concerned as bpfsl does not equal EL gains. I refuse to lose any in both length and girth, hence I am working both. I'd rather spend the next 2 years trying to get to 9 x 6.5 rather than the next five. When I stop working one or the other it's plain and simple. I simply lose size in whatever area I'm not working.

I do not think people should necessarily apply this "progressive" idea to girth. Girth is a beast with too many variables to measure. Length is a MUCH simpler topic. I'm sticking with my current routine as I have been getting better, more frequent erections along with the nice "sore" feeling that I have longed for. I'm not an advocate of hardcore Penis Enlargement, but I feel I must stop pussy-footing around if I'm to make any real girth gains. Length, I have no clue how I'm going to change things up. Hopefully my girth work will give me length, which clamping did (a whole .5" most likely back in the day).

 

[millionman]

10inch, Do whatever you think is best. I spent a TON of time clamping, pumping, and all sorts of manuals in attempts to gain girth. I even had Red design me a clamping routine specifically for me, and I gained very little except a huge amount of discoloration and fluid buildup. Because of the significant amount of fluid I would buildup during my "hardcore" sessions I got tons of slack skin and basically was able to stop my FR pursuits. Vaselinknight has given me great insight into the things that occur when the penis is under high to extreme amounts of internal pressure and none of them are good. If it works for you then great, but personally I'm done wasting tons of time on something that may or may not give me what I'm looking for. Usually I gain girth using the simplest of exercises with moderate pressure. Jelqing and using other manual squeezes have worked wonders for me early on when I first started. In fact looking back at one of my log books I got to 5.5" using a jelq and squeeze based program.

Again, if you're confident in what has proven to yield gains then go with that. Otherwise if you're stuck then I'd consider taking a different road. It's good that you're at least thinking about what you want to accomplish without just following along with what everyone else does. I hope that you find what works for you and that you get to where you want to be.

 

[Reber187]

I'm not stopping girth work for anything. Yes, my length gains (only in the bpfsl) may slow, but I'm not too concerned as bpfsl does not equal EL gains. I refuse to lose any in both length and girth, hence I am working both. I'd rather spend the next 2 years trying to get to 9 x 6.5 rather than the next five. When I stop working one or the other it's plain and simple. I simply lose size in whatever area I'm not working.

I do not think people should necessarily apply this "progressive" idea to girth. Girth is a beast with too many variables to measure. Length is a MUCH simpler topic. I'm sticking with my current routine as I have been getting better, more frequent erections along with the nice "sore" feeling that I have longed for. I'm not an advocate of hardcore Penis Enlargement, but I feel I must stop pussy-footing around if I'm to make any real girth gains. Length, I have no clue how I'm going to change things up. Hopefully my girth work will give me length, which clamping did (a whole .5" most likely back in the day).

were you aware Derrida dropped in to give an update and fill in the blanks. go read his progress/routine thread, it may benefit you to to get in contact with him as he's been hammering girth only and reports gains.


keep pushing

 

[10inchadvantage]

10inch, Do whatever you think is best. I spent a TON of time clamping, pumping, and all sorts of manuals in attempts to gain girth. I even had Red design me a clamping routine specifically for me, and I gained very little except a huge amount of discoloration and fluid buildup. Because of the significant amount of fluid I would buildup during my "hardcore" sessions I got tons of slack skin and basically was able to stop my FR pursuits. Vaselinknight has given me great insight into the things that occur when the penis is under high to extreme amounts of internal pressure and none of them are good. If it works for you then great, but personally I'm done wasting tons of time on something that may or may not give me what I'm looking for. Usually I gain girth using the simplest of exercises with moderate pressure. Jelqing and using other manual squeezes have worked wonders for me early on when I first started. In fact looking back at one of my log books I got to 5.5" using a jelq and squeeze based program.

Again, if you're confident in what has proven to yield gains then go with that. Otherwise if you're stuck then I'd consider taking a different road. It's good that you're at least thinking about what you want to accomplish without just following along with what everyone else does. I hope that you find what works for you and that you get to where you want to be.

The difference is that I'm not doing anything hardcore at all. Two clicks on the clamp is almost nothing. 2-5" hg is pretty easy on the penis as well. When I used to clamp I used to get at least 5 clicks down. When you clamp light it's a whole different ball game. You don't get that fluid buildup or darkening. I consider my girth routine as still in the means of the "Progressive" style as I use such little force as compared to normal. I only do two sets of light clamping and three sets of light-moderate pumping! I don't see how this is really stressing the penis. Also, I jelq for a few minutes after a pumping set as well. Again, barely even what I'd consider "moderate" jelqing pressure. My penis will be feeling it for a day afterwards. By the second day (1 on 1 off routine mind you) my penis is ready to go again. I can barely feel that "good sore" feeling on the second day, if at all.

 

[millionman]

10inch, I understand where you're coming from now. Sorry for making you type it more than once for it to be clear. I didn't really understand what you were getting at in your first post. I'm not really clear on what a progressive girth routine would look like, but it seems you might have something. I'm waiting for VK to get back to me about a few of his ideas and maybe something will come of it.

 

[seeking8.5x6]

I am attempting to put this theory in perspective and probably am all around it but cannot lock onto it at the moment.

-Days when you have little to no tightness at the base stretch little and less intensity
-Days of base soreness do moderate stretching
-Days of base tightness be intense and work to edge just past the current maximum FSL

Is this partially acurate or am i off base on your method

I believe this idea could be applied to doing the A-Stretch, Blaster and a few others if you went by the go further until you feel worked ideal.

 

[goinfor11x7]

Especially for beginners?

 

[millionman]

Wow, you guys are ridiculous. Go fuck with someone else because I'm not even going to mess with this issue. I'm not the owner or proprietor of this site and I'm not SELLING anything. In fact if I were to sell this method I would sell it as the safe, more sensible approach to Penis Enlargement as it's built with the concept of progression not through intensity or increasingly DANGEROUS exercises. This concept is centered around your body's natural healing processes and learning MORE about how your body does and doesn't react to stress. It's probably the most reliable and SAFE method here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. Why would I need to post a warning? I never warm-up and I've had NO problems. Why would I need to recommend anything or warn anyone? I don't and I'm not going to.

In short you two wankers can FUCK OFF!!! I've got nothing for either one of you for posting such shit in this thread. It's not cute and it's not amusing in the least.

 

[millionman]

SEEKING, You're actually right on the mark. Initially you may end up spending a little less time, if you're coming off of a decon break, as you'll be touch and go as far as soreness and tightness go. You'll learn a lot in the first 2-3 weeks and then from there it becomes a cycle of once every 3-4 weeks you'll be tight, sore, loose, and then sightly "rubbery" for 1-2 days out of the week. That's the cycle that I go through every month or so. Sometimes the cycle is dependent on how much work you get in. I've had a complete healing cycle in 3 weeks and gained slightly from it, and it's mainly because I did more work 2-3 days in a row when I was tight on consecutive days. Odd things like that do happen from time to time, but once you're used to how things go you'll know why and how everything went the way it did.

 

[millionman]

Threak, DO NOT QUOTE ANYTHING FROM THE MODERATOR'S FORUM AND POST IT HERE IN THE MAIN FORUM! You do not have the authority to post that here as it is a discussion for MODERATORS. That is gross misuse of your moderator status.

If at this point you want to discuss this issue further post a NEW thread about it, as you've officially jacked this thread for your own purposes. I will not respond further in this thread on this particular topic.

 

[pepepe]

Threak, DO NOT QUOTE ANYTHING FROM THE MODERATOR'S FORUM AND POST IT HERE IN THE MAIN FORUM! You do not have the authority to post that here as it is a discussion for MODERATORS. That is gross misuse of your moderator status.

If at this point you want to discuss this issue further post a NEW thread about it, as you've officially jacked this thread for your own purposes. I will not respond further in this thread on this particular topic.

who are you talking to in that post?

 

[millionman]

That last post was to Threak.

Penis EnlargementPenis EnlargementPenis Enlargement, Why did you take offense to me tell Threak and Goingfor to fuck off? You haven't posted anything here.

 

[millionman]

Well, I've made a few interesting discoveries recently. I can do a bit more girth work than I originally thought and make solid progress with length, although I can't say that the girth work has translated to anything more than harder erections and a slightly fatter flaccid. The other thing I've noticed is when I take 3-4 days off, or maybe up to a week, after a fairly intense bout of length work (1 session) that I still end up making small increments of progress. The intensity of the session is usually spread over the course of an entire day where I will stretch for 10-15 minutes between 3 and 6 times in a day. It totals close to an hour total time of stretching, but each session still has that FIRST session feeling of getting loose and elongating everything.

I've come to think that the urethra plays a huge role in how much growth occurs in any training cycle. It's a very tough structure and the materials it is made of tend to have longer healing times than normal vascularized tissues. Essentially I think that adequate rest times are necessary for cell regeneration and healing for the penis overall but I think that it could be even more important for the urethra to be given time to heal..

 

[ozzy83]

Been a few months since anyone posted last. Any updates millionman or anyone else?