Circulation at heavier weights

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Hey Bib, what is up with the circulation being better with heavier weights? I noticed yesterday that when I was hanging 10 lbs I had no problems, but when I went down to five my galns went numb and very very cold. I found this interesting, and I think all I did was wrap too tight and I closed the hanger too tightly, so circulation was poor on the last set. I didn't have the coolness problem with the 5 lb set before that.

Ciculation is suppose to be better with heavier weights than at lighter weights isn't it?
 
I can't explain why circulation is better at heavier weights. But I can say that I noticed that coldness and numbness diminished greatly when I started using greater than 15 lbs.

Any way you look at it, a hanger (any hanger) is some form of tourniquet. It all comes down to finding that right combination of getting it tight enough to prevent slippage and loose enough to allow adequate circulation. 'Ditto for the wrap your using.

Also extending the time between sets from Bib's recommended minmun time of 10 minutes, to 15 minutes between sets helped alot. Especially in the latter sets.

There really IS quite a learning curve to hanging isn't there? It's not simple like jelqing.

A final note... has anyone else been setting up their hanging equipment prior to starting and realized "I'm going to hang THIS off my penis???". 'Kinda gives you reason for pause :D
 
million,

>Hey Bib, what is up with the circulation being better with heavier weights? I noticed yesterday that when I was hanging 10 lbs I had no problems, but when I went down to five my galns went numb and very very cold. I found this interesting, and I think all I did was wrap too tight and I closed the hanger too tightly, so circulation was poor on the last set. I didn't have the coolness problem with the 5 lb set before that.<

I really have no idea, other than what you said: You may have wrapped too tight. As always, I recommend as loose a wrap as possible, while still providing a solid bundle for hanger attachment. You should be able to pee with the wrap on, but you may have to force the pee a bit. You may have a bit of head swelling, even with the correct tension on the wrap.

Then, you need to tighten the hanger enough so that it can support the amount of weight you wish to hang with little or no slippage. The hanger must grasp the internal strucures, not just the skin. If the hanger is allowed to slip down to the head, it is not much better than a noose.

>Ciculation is suppose to be better with heavier weights than at lighter weights isn't it?<

The only situation I can think of where this might be true is if the weight is so light, the head is able to swell while hanging, and this swelling causes more blood flow to be cut off. If there is no head swelling while hanging, circulation should go down the more weight you use.

Remember, wrap loose, hanger tight.

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I noticed yesterday that my head didn't get very cold hanging with the five lbs. as it did the other day. It was the wrap I think, and I had the hanger on too tight for the amount of weight I was using. I tighten enough to start a set to feel the internal structures being pulled out, but I sometimes will tighten again about two to three minutes into a set just to assure myself that it's internals and not the skin being stretched, it's a mental thing and the extra tightness usually makes the set more comfortable and easier to handle on the mental side of things.
 
million,

>Bib, Did you ever have any problems when you got into hanging really heavy weights with your ciculation during a session?<

Well sure. My whole hanging career was about coming upon problems, and figuring out ways to get past them.

In fact, for about every five lbs increase in weight, I had to come up with a better hanger. As far as the production Bibs, I never had much problem with circulation at any weight, unless is was a one set thing, just bad technique on one set.

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Hey Bib, any ideas why it's easier for me to hang heavier weights then to hang lighter weights? I'm sitting here right now with ten lbs and the time is flying by, but earlier the time was creeping by with 5 and 7.5 lbs. I don't really understand it, but I'm gritting my teeth more for those sets to be over then from this heavier weight, which feels remarkable at the ligs currently. Just wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter, if you have ever felt that way before.
 
million,

You are an alien.

Just kidding.

>Hey Bib, any ideas why it's easier for me to hang heavier weights then to hang lighter weights? I'm sitting here right now with ten lbs and the time is flying by, but earlier the time was creeping by with 5 and 7.5 lbs. I don't really understand it, but I'm gritting my teeth more for those sets to be over then from this heavier weight, which feels remarkable at the ligs currently. Just wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter, if you have ever felt that way before.<

I went through periods of all types of strange things. Yes, I had times where a heavier weight felt more comfortable than a light weight. There are all kinds of physical reasons for this, a heavier weight involving more fibers than a light weight, etc. But I have no proof, or even concrete ideas for why this type of thing happens.

Kind of like getting base girth from hanging.

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Bib, you have a sense of humor...who knew??? JK.

I can see what you mean about more fibers being invovled. I definitely feel more fatigue with the heavier weight than with the lighter sets. I defintely am working on being able to hang 10lbs for all three sets at the moment. I feel like I have found the gaining "zone" with this weight, and I imagine like many of the other guys have said between 10-15 lbs is where they made most of their gains. I still think it's weird that at the heavier weights I feel like no time has gone by, but the lighter weights is like grinding it out, it's so odd.

I've always wondered about base girth, and how that comes about. What are your thoughts Bib?
 
million,

>I've always wondered about base girth, and how that comes about. What are your thoughts Bib?<

I really just have no idea. The easiest thing to think is that, for those guys that report base girth gains from hanging, they are pulling down and out, the inner shaft, which for them is thicker than the previous base.

But I palpated my inner shaft at the beginning of Penis Enlargement, did not measure it of course, and I know that both inner and outer shaft became thicker, the longer I hung. Just no doubt about it. Of course, BTB jelqing probably had something to do with it, perhaps more from increased circulation.

But all in all, I cannot even truly guess at the mechanism, physiologically or otherwise, of base girth gains from hanging. It is the loch ness monster of Penis Enlargement.

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BIB, did you have problems doing girth work and hanging??? Seems today that my fluid buildup from the previous nights girth sessoin caused my head to go numb because of poor circulation, too much wrap, hanger tightness, it was something. It turned very darm and was quite cold to the touch. Circulation restored right after the set was over, but I noticed that the area of skin right above the hanger around the head has an excess of fluid buildup, so that is the reason why I said the above. I adjusted the hex nuts, which could be another issue, the hanger is too wide now. I made the adjustment because I wasn't sure how the fit would be, so after the first set I kicked the nuts out a bit to see how it felt, and it was worse than before. I think it's partially the adjustment as well as the tightness of the hanger. I was just wondering if you had issues with heavy girth work and hanging in conjunction during your program, and how you worked through it???

I took tonight off from girth work just to test the variables fresh tomorrow afternoon. I may end up having to wake up earlier in the morning and hanging earlier, and getting the girth work in sometime in the early evening and having plenty of recovery time so this isn't an issue any longer....Is 12 hours enough time between sessions?
 
million,

>BIB, did you have problems doing girth work and hanging???<

Did I? When I was ignorant enough to try it, I surely did. First, you should do girth work after you have completed your length work. Then, if you are doing maintanence hanging while going for girth, then do the hanging first always. For me, the fluid buildup and skin irritation made hanging impossible for at least a day.

>Seems today that my fluid buildup from the previous nights girth sessoin caused my head to go numb because of poor circulation, too much wrap, hanger tightness, it was something. It turned very darm and was quite cold to the touch. Circulation restored right after the set was over, but I noticed that the area of skin right above the hanger around the head has an excess of fluid buildup, so that is the reason why I said the above.<

You mean you did a full blown girth session the night before? Then tried to hang the next morning? Think about that a minute. You make shaft gains, either length or girth by deforming either the longitudenal or lateral bonds of the tunica. So the night before, you made the tears in the lateral bonds of the tunica, then the next morning, clamped a hanger on the irritated, inflammed tissues, not only of the skin, but the tunica as well.

Now, think about something else. You broke lateral bonds in the tunica with the girth session. Then, less than 12 hours later, you broke the longitudenal bonds of the tunica with your length session. What are the odds that this deformation will heal correctly?

>I adjusted the hex nuts, which could be another issue, the hanger is too wide now. I made the adjustment because I wasn't sure how the fit would be, so after the first set I kicked the nuts out a bit to see how it felt, and it was worse than before. I think it's partially the adjustment as well as the tightness of the hanger. I was just wondering if you had issues with heavy girth work and hanging in conjunction during your program, and how you worked through it???<

Yes, I think everyone has issues with length along with girth work. Just don't do it. When I went to maintanence hanging, and started my girth routine, first I slowly built up the girth work as I was cutting back on the hanging. Then, I did the hanging first, and the girth work last. But it was still sometimes tough to do the hanging.

>I took tonight off from girth work just to test the variables fresh tomorrow afternoon. I may end up having to wake up earlier in the morning and hanging earlier, and getting the girth work in sometime in the early evening and having plenty of recovery time so this isn't an issue any longer....Is 12 hours enough time between sessions?<

If you do your hanging first, and then the girth work immediately after, you will have more time to recover before your next hanging session. Hopefully close to 20 hours. But you will still not be recovered enough to be as comfortable as if you were only hanging.

More than anything, why not just wait till you reach your length goals to work on girth. It makes much more sense, and you will be more successful.

Further, the added mass of the tunica from girth work, whether you get any cross bonding within the tunica or not, will make length gains tougher to come by. The more mass of any substance will mean more bonds to break, which will mean more stress required to break those bonds.

Gains in girth come from internal tunica pressure, breaking lateral bonds because of this pressure. No matter the length of the tunica, it will require little if any added pressure to break the lateral bonds of a long tunica, vs a short tunica.

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Thanks Bib....I really thought on this for a while last night, even before I posted about it, and it did seem counter productive. I guess I got used to being able to do length and girth when I was doing manuals, but this is a completely different animal as it is. I'm going to start back on Monday allowing everything to rest and to heal properly. I'll be hanging only, and hopefully since I'll be hanging only I'll be able to get more sets in without thinking about having more to do that evening. It'll be a nice change. Hopefully I'll hit my length gain and can go back into the girth work and gain that last .5 in no time.
 
Hey Bib, what do you think of hanging over an object, like a piece of PVC pipe??? I'm thinking I need to change my angle of attack because I no longer feel the SD hanging in the ligs but along the sides of the shaft. I feel it a bit in the ligs but not the burning tingling sensation that let me know I had a good workout, and I've tested my lot and it's a bit lower than before, so I was thinking of changing over to haning over a piece of PVC instead of SO. What are your thoughts on this or should I just focus on the LF for SD right now?
 
million,

>Hey Bib, what do you think of hanging over an object, like a piece of PVC pipe??? I'm thinking I need to change my angle of attack because I no longer feel the SD hanging in the ligs but along the sides of the shaft. I feel it a bit in the ligs but not the burning tingling sensation that let me know I had a good workout, and I've tested my lot and it's a bit lower than before, so I was thinking of changing over to haning over a piece of PVC instead of SO.<

I am a little confused. You mentioned hanging SD, and then write about hanging "over a piece of PVC instead of SO". The first is more for the ligs, and the second for the tunica. I recommend stressing only one set of structures at a time, unless you have enough time to reach fatigue on different sets of tissues.

I cannot remember, have you tried BTC? That is the most intense for lig stretch.

It really all depends on what you are shooting for. Most guys hang with a fulcrum for tunica stretch, generally in the SO position, not SD.

Give me a bit more information, and I will try to help.

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Ok. I guess I mucked up the post. What I was getting at is that I'm not really feeling the stretch in the ligs very much, so I was wondering if it was time to transition to another position. If I were to change positions then I would change over to the SO with a piece of PVC under me instead of attaching to something.
 
I remedied the problem. I had adjusted my lower nuts out too far because of the fluid build up from the girth workouts. I've got the situation back and I'm working it right now. I'm using the BIB for my ligs and I'm hitting my tunica with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] routine in Kooky's thread. I'm not doing as much as k-man is but I'm working all the exercises hard. I've got a bit over 8" BPFSL, and I'm back to working out again and dieting properly, so that will go from BPFSL to FSL. I'm looking forward to that day when I look down and it doesn't look so short.....HAHAHA
 
Bib:

Question for you. I recently stopped hanging as I was told that hanging will do little to increase my girth size (5.25 msg currently). I'm starting on DLD's program here as soon as the package comes. Should I also continue to hang? Been hanging religiously for 5 months. Total Penis Enlargement time for 9 months. Thanks for the advice.

9x7
 
Yeah I have everything straight now, and I'm back to 7.5 lbs for all three sets. Since I got the setup right I've had to drop back because the force was just too much, felt like if I moved wrong I could pull something too far out. It's a process not an all at once...LOL. But on the whole everything is just fine.

What do you think about the addition of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] workout to the hanging regimen?
 
9x7,

>Question for you. I recently stopped hanging as I was told that hanging will do little to increase my girth size (5.25 msg currently). I'm starting on DLD's program here as soon as the package comes. Should I also continue to hang?<

Well, I really have no idea. Do you want to increase length? If so, I would recommend doing that first with hanging. Then, you can work on girth when you shift to maintanence hanging.

Hanging did nothing for my mid-shaft girth, but it did increase my base girth.

>Been hanging religiously for 5 months. Total Penis Enlargement time for 9 months. Thanks for the advice.<

How did it go during those 5 months of hanging? Did you gain?

million,

>What do you think about the addition of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] workout to the hanging regimen?<

I have no experience, or knowledge about the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words]. I am not familiar with even the purpose or mechanics. Sorry.

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The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] is just a way to help gain leverage for different stretches, like the A stretch and there are some with other names that DLD came up with that work really well for hitting the tunica. I'm using it to target my tunica not too heavily but hopefully enough to keep on growing without transitioning to different angles just yet. What do you think of the Expressive Stretch theory, I saw you had chimed in a bit but you haven't said much on it since.
 
Bib:

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I did gain in those 5 months, in fact more so than when I manually stretched. Went from 7" to 7.5" in 5 month period. I actually enjoyed hanging as I found it very relaxing. Decided to start up again tomorrow.
 
million,

>What do you think of the Expressive Stretch theory, I saw you had chimed in a bit but you haven't said much on it since.<

Once again, you have the advantage. I do not remember that thread, much less responding to it, though I surely could have. Do you have a link?

9x7,

>Went from 7" to 7.5" in 5 month period. I actually enjoyed hanging as I found it very relaxing. Decided to start up again tomorrow.<

That sounds great!

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Bib:

Well, I did start back this morning bro. Did two 20 minute sessions, 1 set at 18 lbs, the second at 15lbs. Man, did I feel the fatigue Bib. It felt AWESOME! Going for another 1.5 hours today. Feels to great to hang again!
 
9x7,

>Well, I did start back this morning bro. Did two 20 minute sessions, 1 set at 18 lbs, the second at 15lbs. Man, did I feel the fatigue Bib. It felt AWESOME! Going for another 1.5 hours today. Feels to great to hang again<

That sounds good. But be careful if you took a good deal of time off. Those weights are rather agressive, and you may encounter some soft tissue problems. It does not take to long for the soft tissues to become weaker, and not able to handle the stresses. So, you may need to start a bit slower, and work your way up.

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Thanks for the response Bib. In all honesty, I only took 5 days off from actual weight hanging and my first set felt so good. The stretch felt great. In fact I'm hanging right now while typing this post and the stretch I'm feeling is incredible. It just feels good! Kind of like the your first trip back to the gym after 3 or 4 days of thorough rest. Just feels great!
 
million,

>I am interested to hear what you have to say on this.<

Well, I read through all eight pages, and I still am not sure of what is going on. But I believe it all concerns simply pulling the inner penis out and down, dropping the entire package.

I do understand the descriptions of adult entertainment stars, and the way their units look. This is something I have commented on before. In general, you will find almost all adult entertainment stars have extremely low LOTs, low exit points, almost their entire packages outside the body.

I began my Penis Enlargement career with an extremely high package. Just a nub of a flaccid outside the body, that could grow into a six incher with an erection. I have written about my pelvic Xray in my 20's, where I thought the Dr had the wrong plate because of the size of my unit that could be plainly seen, although faint. There was just too much penis there for it to be me.

I now know that the tissue shown on the plate was mainly inner penis, that through my later Penis Enlargement efforts, I was able to pull out. I did this mainly through BTC hanging, stretching all of the connective tissues, the various ligaments that held my penis close to my body.

You see, every single guy has the following in common: His shaft starts at about his anus ( the bulbs of the penis), and travels across to underneath the bottom of the pubic bone. That is a given. After that, genetics determines what happens next.

Depending on the length and tightness of the ligs and other connective tissue, the shaft may do one of many things: The extremes are: Either exit close to, or even below, the bottom of the pubic bone, a low LOT, and low exit point, or; be firmly attached to the bottom of the pubic bone, and the front face of the pubic bone, and travel up the front face of the pubic bone, to finally exit at the bottom of the abdomen (a very high LOT and exit point). Any particular guy can be at either of those extremes, or anywhere in between.

I have written about a couple of tests that each guy can do to determine his relative amount of inner penis. One was the LOT test to determine the most advantageous angle to hang. Another was to find the point where the shaft comes under the pubic bone, and then measure the distance from there to the exit point. Another was to take a front on pic of the pelvis, draw lines down the groinal grooves where the legs attach to find the bottom of the pubic bone, and then estimate the distance from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point. The point of all of this was to see how much could be accomplished by dropping the entire package through hanging at the lower angles.

The reason that hanging at the lower angles is so effective for this procedure is that everything that needs to be stressed, can be stressed by attaching to the outer penis shaft and hanging BTC. If you attach a hanger to the outer penis, and hang BTC, gravity will eventually stretch every structure which holds the male genatalia close to the body, given that enough stress is used. This includes the skin, and the fundiform ligs which attach the scrotum to the bottom of the penis shaft. It is very efficient.

Now, a guy that already has a low LOT, exit point, everything outside of the body, will not accomplish much more through working at the lower angles. But he can still gain by stressing the entire tunica. This is most efficiently done through working at the upper angles, taking the ligs and other connective tissues out of the equation.

I hope this helps. It is about all I know.

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million,

Forgot something. Kind of the reason for the entire post:

After two years of hanging, mainly BTC and SO, I did drop my entire package to where it is almost entirely outside my body. My exit point is low.

9x7,

OK, that sounds better. It sounds like you are getting a good stretch. Have fun!

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Bib said:
I have written about a couple of tests that each guy can do to determine his relative amount of inner penis. One was the LOT test to determine the most advantageous angle to hang. Another was to find the point where the shaft comes under the pubic bone, and then measure the distance from there to the exit point. Another was to take a front on pic of the pelvis, draw lines down the groinal grooves where the legs attach to find the bottom of the pubic bone, and then estimate the distance from the bottom of the pubic bone to the exit point.
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Hi bib,
can you please post the links to the two other tests besides the lot test?
The exit point test and the other one, i do not know how to call it.
 
dex,

>can you please post the links to the two other tests besides the lot test?
The exit point test and the other one, i do not know how to call it.<

I have no idea where they are. I am sure I did not start new threads to write about them, so they are embedded in other threads. But they are not complicated or difficult.

I fairly well explained them above. But if you need further explanation, just ask.

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Hey BIB did you jelq and hang when you were just going for length? I was thinking of adding the jelq in with my routine probably in the evening time so that as my penis grows there's an increased amount of blood to the area, or should I just stick with hanging only?
 
million,

>Hey BIB did you jelq and hang when you were just going for length? I was thinking of adding the jelq in with my routine probably in the evening time so that as my penis grows there's an increased amount of blood to the area, or should I just stick with hanging only?<

I did generally BTB jelqing between sets, enough to return full circulation. If I happened to unwrap, I would do perhaps five minutes of jelqing to return full circulation. Then, at the end of my session, I would do 10-20 minutes of light jelqing to be sure everything was working properly, and return full circulation.

I never really jelqed for gains. But I believe the circulation benefits of jelqing are tremendous. I also believe jelqing helps express the gains from other Penis Enlargement.

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Can you explain BTB jelqing???

You weren't doing wet jelqs in between sets, were you?

When you say express the gains from other Penis Enlargement, are you meaning that in the sense of aiding in the expression of tunica gains, as well as the ciruclatory benefits?
 
million,

>Can you explain BTB jelqing???<

BTB = Behind the Balls jelqing. Jelqing the true inner shaft from the bulbs up to the pubic bone. I use my thumb and first two fingers to push blood up to, and past the wrap. Also, I believe this helped with inner shaft girth to an extent, at least helping circulation.

>You weren't doing wet jelqs in between sets, were you?<

No, totally dry.

>When you say express the gains from other Penis Enlargement, are you meaning that in the sense of aiding in the expression of tunica gains, as well as the ciruclatory benefits?<

Well, the circulatory benefits are what allow the expression of the tunica gains. This is the way I thought about it while Penis Enlargementing, and I still believe it is valid: Just because you increase the overall size of the tunica, in length or girth, does not mean that each guy has the blood supply to express the added potential gains. I am sure there are guys, especially younger guys, that would have no problem with this. Or for guys that make smaller gains.

But during my periods of gains, I do not believe I saw the true erect gains from the work for quite a while, because of a lack of blood supply. This was manefest by slightly larger, but softer erections, or a good increase in flaccid measurements without a corresponding increase in erect measurements.

I believe that jelqing, especially BTB jelqing, is a form of manual angioplasty. I had one experience while doing this where I felt something break loose inside my inner shaft, and race all the way to the head, then back into my body. I realized fairly quickly that something had broken loose inside a vessel, and expected to have a stroke. hehe. Seriously, I was concerned for a while.

Especially for older guys, I think BTB jelqing really helps with total circulation, cleaning and enlarging vessels, allowing more blood into the shaft, and helping to express gains.

Simply by feel, I realized my inner shaft became much larger in girth over a period of time from this. The inner shaft made much greater, and easier gains in girth, than the outer shaft over my Penis Enlargement career. I remember a post I made on the old, old Penis Enlargementforums about my inner shaft feeling like a drilling pipe between my legs. It is still like that.

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BTB jelqing is where you reach down behind the balls (scrotum) reaching up with your thumb and two largest fingers jelq up towards the head, but the range of motion stays behind the scrotum, so you only move your fingers 2-3inches depending on scrotum length? Does this sound right?

I've heard of this before but never tried since no one ever explained it very well on how it is performed. I could never get a clear image of how far to jelq and what it would feel like.
 
Hey Bib, I made another adjustment to my settings this evening and all the force is on the ligs. I was having trouble since it seemed like my skin has gained a huge amount of slack since I started hanging, and the tug on my ligs wasn't as intense and I adjusted the hex nuts in a few more turns and the 7.5 lbs I'm hanging with right now is definitely pulling on the ligs and not the skin. I'm astounded at what a turn one way or the other can do for the effectiveness of a given poundage or angle. I am going to try to buy a higher chair to sit on so I can prop my feet a little easier and relax a bit more during BTC but till then I'll hit straight down and see how it goes. My lot seems to be about the same, but I'm still using the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] and the manual A-stretch in with my hanging and I'm seeing FSL gains it seems almost every session. If you could respond to the above post and fill me in a bit more on the BTB jelq and tell me a bit more about your experience in how this helped to transfer over to erect gains as I'm seeing flaccid stretched gains but not much in erect length I'm hoping to get a bit of insight into this. By the way I appreciate your dillegence in replying to these questions and to this board as a whole, you have been a tremendous help to me. Blessings brother.
 
million,

>BTB jelqing is where you reach down behind the balls (scrotum) reaching up with your thumb and two largest fingers jelq up towards the head, but the range of motion stays behind the scrotum, so you only move your fingers 2-3inches depending on scrotum length? Does this sound right?<

That sounds perfect. You can jelq behind, and into the scrotum.

>Hey Bib, I made another adjustment to my settings this evening and all the force is on the ligs. I was having trouble since it seemed like my skin has gained a huge amount of slack since I started hanging, and the tug on my ligs wasn't as intense and I adjusted the hex nuts in a few more turns and the 7.5 lbs I'm hanging with right now is definitely pulling on the ligs and not the skin. I'm astounded at what a turn one way or the other can do for the effectiveness of a given poundage or angle.<

Hmmm, I have heard that somewhere before. Let's see..... Oh yes, I write about that all the time. hehe.

>I am going to try to buy a higher chair to sit on so I can prop my feet a little easier and relax a bit more during BTC but till then I'll hit straight down and see how it goes.<

That sounds good.

>My lot seems to be about the same, but I'm still using the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] and the manual A-stretch in with my hanging and I'm seeing FSL gains it seems almost every session.<

That sounds good.

>If you could respond to the above post and fill me in a bit more on the BTB jelq and tell me a bit more about your experience in how this helped to transfer over to erect gains as I'm seeing flaccid stretched gains but not much in erect length I'm hoping to get a bit of insight into this.<

Well, the simple fact is, the body takes time to adjust and adapt to changes. Especially for attempted permanent changes. Or rather, it takes time for the body to permanently change. The body's natural 'instinct' it to attempt to return to previous condition.

BTB jelqing, as well as normal jelqing, helps to increase the size of the blood vessels that feed the penis. I believe it also helps to clean them out, especially for older guys. If the penis cannot fill with extra blood, or has a harder time filling, either erections will be slower, or softer. IMO, BTB jelqing helps with this problem.

But it still takes time to see the permanent changes. Just as with any tissues, the collagenous tissues we are deforming attempt to return to their previous state. So constant (daily) dedicated [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] is required to keep them in the extended state, and train them to stay that way. Then secondly, the body must adapt, the blood supply must be increased, in order for the enlarged collagenous tissues to display the new gains.

During my periods of really good gains, my FSL would be between 1-2 inches longer than my erect length. After I got into maintanence, and when I stopped, I believe my FSL was only about 1/2 inch longer.

>By the way I appreciate your dillegence in replying to these questions and to this board as a whole, you have been a tremendous help to me. Blessings brother.<

No problem. I had a great deal of help back on the old old Penis Enlargementforums board, from some really good guys. If you get the chance, always try to help out someone else. Help out as you have been helped. Pass it on.

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I started the BTB jelqing last night and I did it in between sets and then did the same this morning during that session as well. I'm going to start hanging twice a day, one session in the AM or midafternoon and one in the later evening before I go to bed. For some reason last night after my session I slept really well, and all I did was hang and read the boards. It was a good time, but I had to be quiet so I didn't wake anyone else up and clanging weight plates tend to be a bit noisy.

The feeling of the BTB jelq is a bit odd, and I'm not really sure how far I can jelq upwards. Bib any idea in general as to how far is appropriate. I manage to do about 1-2 inches and do about 50 strokes in between sets, should I cover more distance and add reps? What was yoru general protocol like?

I whole heartedly agree that we should help those along who haven't had the experience and it truly does help that the guys before us helped men like yourself along so that you could help us along and so on from there. Penis Enlargement seems to be more of an experimentation as well as word of mouth, and the boards are a form of the oral tradition. This is what separates Penis Enlargement from other types of body modification and part of the reason why it is so difficult for anyone to make money from it because it's free information. Thanks again Bib
 
million,

>The feeling of the BTB jelq is a bit odd, and I'm not really sure how far I can jelq upwards. Bib any idea in general as to how far is appropriate. I manage to do about 1-2 inches and do about 50 strokes in between sets, should I cover more distance and add reps? What was yoru general protocol like?<

The reps are probably fine. As far as distance, do what feels right for you. I guess I probably ended up jelqing the entire shaft, from close to the bulbs, to near the head, at some point during the day. While I was wrapped, I obviously only jelqed that portion of shaft not covered by wrap.

I know many times I only jelqed true BTB, gathering the blood, and pushing it past the wrap. That is about it.

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I've noticed something just over the last few days I've been using the BTB jelq. My girth seems tremendous, it feels hard even if it's about mid-erect. I felt something sort of hard and callous the first time I did the BTB, but last night the tissues still felt hard but a bit more flexible, as if I had some plaque as you put it in the veins and arteries in the region. My head has started to fill with a bit more blood and stay that way. My sessions are going very well at the moment and feel very productive since I've altered my setup a bit.

when you say you jelqed from the bulbs to the head, how did you manage this, in different sections of a jelq? One hand BTB jelqing and the other taking the blood the rest of the way, sort of like a conveyor belt? That just seemed interesting to me.

I rewrap everytime I take off the hanger because the wrap goes up over my head usually and I have to reset anyway so I save myself all the tugging and pulling on the wrap and just rewrap. Is this not a good thing to do?

I am having a bit of head tenderness at the very front of my head, and right underneath this section at the attachment of the skin to the underside of the head. It's actually really tender, but I'm not feeling any tenderness in that area when I'm hanging. I think it may be becauase the skin on the outside of my head where I grip for my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] routine have gotten a bit roughed up this week and they needed to heal so I have been tugging from the very front out when I needed to wrap, and this is probably right on the nerve, so I don't think it's a problem but it is getting better.

Bib I also had a problem a few times from my skin breaking into little blood spots right around the circ scar. I think I wore the hanger too tight and the head was down stuck in between the two sides of the hanger, but I don't know. Any ideas as to what may be causing this?
 
million,

>I've noticed something just over the last few days I've been using the BTB jelq. My girth seems tremendous, it feels hard even if it's about mid-erect. I felt something sort of hard and callous the first time I did the BTB, but last night the tissues still felt hard but a bit more flexible, as if I had some plaque as you put it in the veins and arteries in the region. My head has started to fill with a bit more blood and stay that way. My sessions are going very well at the moment and feel very productive since I've altered my setup a bit.<

That sounds about right. It was a long time ago, but I can relate to what you described. How old are you BTW?

>when you say you jelqed from the bulbs to the head, how did you manage this, in different sections of a jelq? One hand BTB jelqing and the other taking the blood the rest of the way, sort of like a conveyor belt? That just seemed interesting to me<

No. What I meant was, at some point in the day, all of the shaft would get jelqed. I would do the BTB jelqing while wrapped for hanging, pushing the blood up past the wrap and making sure the tissues above the wrap had plenty of blood. Then, after unwrapping for the day, I would jelq the rest of the shaft, returning full circulation to all the tissues, bathing the tissues in blood.

>I rewrap everytime I take off the hanger because the wrap goes up over my head usually and I have to reset anyway so I save myself all the tugging and pulling on the wrap and just rewrap. Is this not a good thing to do?<

As far as the jelqing goes, it is OK I guess. I did not do it that way, but my way is not right for everyone. It sounds as if you may not be wrapping quite tight enough. Remember, you want a solid bundle of wrap, but loose enough to allow circulation. There is a happy medium. Just practice.

>I am having a bit of head tenderness at the very front of my head, and right underneath this section at the attachment of the skin to the underside of the head. It's actually really tender, but I'm not feeling any tenderness in that area when I'm hanging. I think it may be becauase the skin on the outside of my head where I grip for my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] routine have gotten a bit roughed up this week and they needed to heal so I have been tugging from the very front out when I needed to wrap, and this is probably right on the nerve, so I don't think it's a problem but it is getting better.<

It could be that. Or it could be that the wrap is too loose, not solid enough to allow the hanger to grasp the bundle properly. Work on your wrap technique a bit.

>Bib I also had a problem a few times from my skin breaking into little blood spots right around the circ scar. I think I wore the hanger too tight and the head was down stuck in between the two sides of the hanger, but I don't know. Any ideas as to what may be causing this?<

Where exactly are the blood spots? In front of the wrap? Beneath the wrap? Does the hanger pressure contact the area?

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I think the problem is the wrap. I have been trying to keep the ciculation good, and I suppose sometimes the wrap is not tight enough. When it's not tight enough the skin that sits up above the wrap is pushed forward over the head, and underneath this section right at the beginning of the wrap is where the blood spots occur (right on the circ scar). When I'm all attached and ready to hang the setup is similar to SWMs with how his skin pulls forward over the glans. I have a section that squishes together if the wrap is not tight enough and it causes the skin to break out in spots because of the pressure.

I have been experimenting a bit with the tightness of the wrap between what is too tight and too loose. If it's too loose the blood spots show up. If it's too tight ciculation is poor and the glans gets cold. I'm going to take pictures of my setup and post them in this thread, and I'd like to hear your opinion on my setup. I've been wondering if the wrap should force the skin over the head, and that some of the wrap sits right behind the front side of the glans. This is the most comfortable setting but I just want to get your thoughts on it to be sure, couldn't hurt.
 
Here are the pics of me wrapped, setup to hang, and hanging. Bib, let me know if the pics are adequtely lit and if they are clear enough for you to assess them. Thanks so much. I did the best I could taking the pics all I have is a dinky webcam, but I got them taken so it's all good, hopefully.
 
million,

No, I cannot tell much from those pics. A bit too small and not very clear. Also, I do not think you can post them here. You might ask DLD, but I think they are supposed to be in the pics section, and linked from here to there.

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million,

A couple things I can see that concern me: I see the leading edge of the wrap moving to your actual head. This is not supposed to happen. The wrap should only stay on the shaft skin. Why do you think that is happening? We need to discuss that.

Then, your hanger is not adjusted correctly. If that is your actual hanging tightness, etc, then your top gap is too wide. The teeth are not quite meshed enough.

If during those pics, you had the hanger tight enough to hang the amount of weight you desire, then you need to move the bottom hex nuts out a few turns.

What is the thicker area of the wrap, that looks a bit orange?

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The thicker area is [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words] wrap. I situate the hanger over the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words] wrap at the thickest part, and I usually spiral it down so the distribution is even.

Last night I moved the hex nuts out a bit more and the top gap came together much tighter than in these pics. My main concern is the wrap coming over the head. How should I remedy this?
 
BIB, I also altered the distance from the top of the wrap and the head and the skin doesn't roll over the head and the wrap stayed in place. I wrapped a bit tighter and moved the top gap closer together to where it is almost completely meshed and the wrap did not slide and the internal structures were gripped very tight and I did not feel any pressure on my head but on the shaft. Have I finally gottten this right?
 
million,

>BIB, I also altered the distance from the top of the wrap and the head and the skin doesn't roll over the head and the wrap stayed in place. I wrapped a bit tighter and moved the top gap closer together to where it is almost completely meshed and the wrap did not slide and the internal structures were gripped very tight and I did not feel any pressure on my head but on the shaft. Have I finally gottten this right?<

Well, that sounds perfect, but I cannot be sure. If it works for you, then it is great!

About the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]Ace[/words] wrap on the outside: I have never had success with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]Ace[/words] wrap, because the normal [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]Ace[/words] wrap seems to be too bulky.

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