bulc9 said:
Yeah i think thats what i have found to be the only difference after looking at the vids n that! ill try mixture of both!

Does the routine seem solid enough provding enough for both the length and the added jelqs for the blood flow?

I did my first set of jelqs before, did 600 at 50-70% erect, and it felt, good. the only change i would make to that routine is im going to jelq AM coz im always horny then lol

Does it matter what you do 1st, and do you have to do them straight after eachother or can you split!

It is best to do Girth work first, because after a stretch work out you might not be able to get erect. 100% erection is recommended for girth workouts.

I think what is best is Jelqing then stretching then finish off later on with more jelqing, And stretching again if you have it in you to do that.

Or hang later on but make sure to jelq first.

Well just remember if your not feeling much after the first couple of weeks then up your intensity by following the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] but only with a big difference you must add the sock:)
 
Actually, girth before length doesn't work well. If you're using more intense methods like [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] or dual compression squeezes there is a lot of fluid accumulation just under the skin from the huge increase internal pressure and this causes the skin to slide more easily during manual stretches. BIB discussed the idea of lengthening the vertical fibers first and working the lateral fibers once length gains have been made as this makes the lateral bonds weaker as the matrix of the tunica is thinner. I subscribe to this thought simply because girth is the area that most guys struggle with, while length seems to move fairly easily depending on the type of routine someone is following.

For length after such a long lay off I would go back into the basic routine. I know it sounds too simple, but after such an extended break you will be able to see some rapid gains from the most basic of the basics. I'd stick with an AM or mid morning length routine with [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] support afterward. Make sure that you get 4-6 hours in the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] per session and then move into your girth work in the evening probably before bed. I'd keep the volume down for the first week with no more than 3 rotations in all directions and 300 jelqs to start. Remember you've been off for a long while, so condition for about 2 weeks or so and then move into a bit more intense routine.

The progression I've used after my decon break was similar to this and I've now moved into supersetting blasters with RB's fake arm stretch (high angle) and a SD stretch to really stretch the ligs. It's almost like a post-exhaust set where you hit the ligaments in all angles and then with the last stretch it's a finishing move. I've found that this particular order makes the SD stretch very intense, as the entire force of the stretch is placed on the ligaments at the attachment point. This seems to be the right way to go as far as intensity and volume.

I think that there's a tendency to want to jump into Penis Enlargement 1000% even after an extended layoff but the problem with that is that you're not in the same sort of condition as you were when you laid off. This is a very good thing becaucse the goal is for the tissue to become softer and more readily stretched. Keep everything in perspective and continue to move forward but that doesn't mean jumping in with both feet in the deepest end of the pool. It's a challenge to not get overzealous but it is worth it as making gains with the basics is so easy and it doesn't require a ton of effort or time. Would you rather spend an hour total on Penis Enlargement per day or 3 hours per day with the same results?
 
millionman said:
Actually, girth before length doesn't work well. If you're using more intense methods like [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] or dual compression squeezes there is a lot of fluid accumulation just under the skin from the huge increase internal pressure and this causes the skin to slide more easily during manual stretches. BIB discussed the idea of lengthening the vertical fibers first and working the lateral fibers once length gains have been made as this makes the lateral bonds weaker as the matrix of the tunica is thinner. I subscribe to this thought simply because girth is the area that most guys struggle with, while length seems to move fairly easily depending on the type of routine someone is following.

For length after such a long lay off I would go back into the basic routine. I know it sounds too simple, but after such an extended break you will be able to see some rapid gains from the most basic of the basics. I'd stick with an AM or mid morning length routine with [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] support afterward. Make sure that you get 4-6 hours in the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] per session and then move into your girth work in the evening probably before bed. I'd keep the volume down for the first week with no more than 3 rotations in all directions and 300 jelqs to start. Remember you've been off for a long while, so condition for about 2 weeks or so and then move into a bit more intense routine.

The progression I've used after my decon break was similar to this and I've now moved into supersetting blasters with RB's fake arm stretch (high angle) and a SD stretch to really stretch the ligs. It's almost like a post-exhaust set where you hit the ligaments in all angles and then with the last stretch it's a finishing move. I've found that this particular order makes the SD stretch very intense, as the entire force of the stretch is placed on the ligaments at the attachment point. This seems to be the right way to go as far as intensity and volume.

I think that there's a tendency to want to jump into Penis Enlargement 1000% even after an extended layoff but the problem with that is that you're not in the same sort of condition as you were when you laid off. This is a very good thing becaucse the goal is for the tissue to become softer and more readily stretched. Keep everything in perspective and continue to move forward but that doesn't mean jumping in with both feet in the deepest end of the pool. It's a challenge to not get overzealous but it is worth it as making gains with the basics is so easy and it doesn't require a ton of effort or time. Would you rather spend an hour total on Penis Enlargement per day or 3 hours per day with the same results?

Thanks for the reply mate. Alot of important info you have given across there. I know what you mean, because i havent been doing anything for so long i just want to dive in there and do loads. So the thing is to keep it simple for the 1st 2-3 weeks doing basically the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words]: -

AM
Manual stretches then [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]
PM
300 Wet jelqs at 50-70% erect

When i do come to up the intensity would i then need to add different stretches such as DLD Blasters etc and up the jelqs to 600+? I did my first full session yesterday and it felt good, only did the SO left right and middle stretch tho, it hurt abit after the jelqing in the morning!

So is it important that stretches are done first then jelqing later at night, or is it just personal prefference? If i stuck to that routine above keeping it simple you think this would bring good gains??? I find stretches bit difficult in the morning as i always get hard everytime i touch my dick ha, but if i did the mid afternoon? Also after the stretches should i put the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] on straight away or jelq 100 times to keep it in an extended state then put the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] on?

Thanks for your help MM. Any advise on the above? cheers
 
This is what bigger has said.

Bib said:
jq,

I performed jelqing after sets for a minute, and for 10-20 minutes after a session, in order to restore complete circulation, and bath the tissues in fresh oxygenated blood.

I did NOT do this to increase girth. I did not gain upper shaft girth until I started doing extreme Ulis, after my length gains were made.

There is no way I could have made girth gains by jelqing anyway, because I did not use enough force to do so. I know the force needed to deform the lateral bonds of the tunica, and what fatigue from girth work feels like. I never came close to this level of stress while jelqing.

So to sum up, I do recommend light jelqing to restore circulation, while working on length. But nothing heavy enough to deform the lateral bonds. You are correct that there can be cross linking between tunica layers if the stresses both ways are severe enough.

Bigger
 
jqsderrida said:
I was just about to post Bib's comments myself. Thanks, Pandora.

So what do you have to say about it then lol B.T.B Jelqing is really good. I can't believe nobody else has come up with anything yet that would increase the size of the ducts and what not behind the balls.
 
Pandora said:
So what do you have to say about it then lol B.T.B Jelqing is really good. I can't believe nobody else has come up with anything yet that would increase the size of the ducts and what not behind the balls.

I think Bib's comments support my initial position.
 
jqsderrida said:
I think Bib's comments support my initial position.

Yeah, but he did not go into to much detail about blood flow tho. And increasing the ducts behind the balls, to make a big pipe lol
 
BULC9, It is a bit easier to grip the penis when it doesn't have as much fluid under the skin, and it is a bit easier to wear the vac-extender as well. If your focus is length then I would definitely prioritize the length work in the mornings and then use jelqing as a base for circulation improvement and possibly some girth gains. I would work the newbie program for 2-3 weeks progress to 3 rounds utilizing at least 2 different angles. I would add 50 jelqs a session starting at 300 and moving to no higher than 600. Once you're ready then I'd move into blasters, fulcrum based stretches, squat stretches, or just work a super set with an intense stretch and a basic stretch. I think there is a lot to be gained from supersetting stretches like an A-stretch blaster with a high angle RB's fake arm stretch. This condenses the workout but also adds intensity as well as making the tissues more pliable using two different movements. The one things I think many of us miss is that while we are focusing work on the ligs or the tunica that based on the anatomy of the penis we can not completely "unload" one or the other, so while working an a-stretch blaster for ligament length the tunica is still receiving some of that load, and then adding to that a direct tunica exercise is going to hit the ligs as well. I've found this is the best way to up the intensity and keep the volume of the sessions managable.
 
millionman said:
BULC9, It is a bit easier to grip the penis when it doesn't have as much fluid under the skin, and it is a bit easier to wear the vac-extender as well. If your focus is length then I would definitely prioritize the length work in the mornings and then use jelqing as a base for circulation improvement and possibly some girth gains. I would work the newbie program for 2-3 weeks progress to 3 rounds utilizing at least 2 different angles. I would add 50 jelqs a session starting at 300 and moving to no higher than 600. Once you're ready then I'd move into blasters, fulcrum based stretches, squat stretches, or just work a super set with an intense stretch and a basic stretch. I think there is a lot to be gained from supersetting stretches like an A-stretch blaster with a high angle RB's fake arm stretch. This condenses the workout but also adds intensity as well as making the tissues more pliable using two different movements. The one things I think many of us miss is that while we are focusing work on the ligs or the tunica that based on the anatomy of the penis we can not completely "unload" one or the other, so while working an a-stretch blaster for ligament length the tunica is still receiving some of that load, and then adding to that a direct tunica exercise is going to hit the ligs as well. I've found this is the best way to up the intensity and keep the volume of the sessions managable.

You realize that the techniques would target the upper shaft, and that having an upper curve, means that the upper shaft is smaller than the lower shaft. And that is why their is good gain potential from RB Fake arm stretches and the A stretch at high angles.

Where with somebody with not so much of an upper curve or say a downward curve, gains would not be so easy to come by with them techniques.

It would be good if DLD would go into more detail on his exercises and explaining what area is being hit with that certain exercise, maybe pictures highlighting the areas too.
 
I'm not really sure I follow your post Pandora. Are you saying that having a curvature would cause problems with certain stretches or cause them to be less effective? I think I'm misunderstanding what you've posted. If you could clarify a bit.
 
millionman said:
I'm not really sure I follow your post Pandora. Are you saying that having a curvature would cause problems with certain stretches or cause them to be less effective? I think I'm misunderstanding what you've posted. If you could clarify a bit.

Yes less effective.
 
Pandora - could you ask DLD then to explain the exercises in more detail as regards what angles target where, and what are best. I dont have any curve, mine is pretty straight, so what you are saying is because mine is straight the A-Stretch would not be good for me because i dont have a curve?

Millionman, thanks for the in depth reply again mate.
I have been doing this for the past 4-5days: -

AM:
Stretch SO - All 3 directions 30-50secs x3sets
SD - All 3 directions 30-50secs x3sets
BTC - All 3 directions 30-50secs x3sets
Then straight after i do 200-300 jelqs at 50-70% erect

PM
300 Jelqs again

Is this ok, i know you said [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], but i just dont have time to wear it 3-5 hours per day. Would that routine be good enough to get good gains? should i add any stretches at night as well, or is this routine ideal. I know people talk about over training etc.

cheers
 
bulc9 said:
Pandora - could you ask DLD then to explain the exercises in more detail as regards what angles target where, and what are best. I dont have any curve, mine is pretty straight, so what you are saying is because mine is straight the A-Stretch would not be good for me because i dont have a curve?

Millionman, thanks for the in depth reply again mate.
I have been doing this for the past 4-5days: -

AM:
Stretch SO - All 3 directions 30-50secs x3sets
SD - All 3 directions 30-50secs x3sets
BTC - All 3 directions 30-50secs x3sets
Then straight after i do 200-300 jelqs at 50-70% erect

PM
300 Jelqs again

Is this ok, i know you said [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words], but i just dont have time to wear it 3-5 hours per day. Would that routine be good enough to get good gains? should i add any stretches at night as well, or is this routine ideal. I know people talk about over training etc.

cheers

Yes that is right, you stand more chance of making gains by stretching upwards with and without a fulcrum, Sock stretches would work really good for doing this.

When you were training before what was your routine where you were not making gains.


I would say to replace the A stretches with the Reverse Blasters for now.
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forumn...est-length-exercise-dld-reverse-blasters.html

Then I would just jump into Sock stretches doing upwards stretches to the left and right pelvis and also straight up stretches to the belly button, then I would do them to the side or just above the sides to left and right.
 
newbie routine with an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words].
bulc9 said:
Alrite fellow Penis Enlargement'ers,

I have finally finished Uni and im glad that i concentrated on my studies more than Penis Enlargement, it paid off!

Anyway, in total now i have had a 6month decon break (doing the odd jelq session every other week). I am now looking to start back full time on Penis Enlargement as of asap!

So my question to you all is, what should i go for; length or girth? With having such a long decon break what would be the easiest to gain and see the quickest results? im 7x5. I have always wanted to hit 8" but i want to do whats best as far as results are concerned? also good exercises for your reasoning would be nice.

So, length or girth, any why! What you guys think. Hope you can help and look forward to starting... i cant wait now, so excieted again!!!

cheers :)
 
Personally I don't have an issue with a curvature so I wouldn't really know how to handle that. I would like to think that even if you have a curve, up or down, that it would still be beneficial to train in all angles regardless of which "aspect" is being trained. My thoughts on tunica training are very simple in that there isn't a more medial or lateral aspect to worry with as it's a continuous sheet of tissue. Even if the force is not exacted on a certain spot tere is still force being placed on the tunica. It's similar to the idea that if you are training SD and you don't feel the stretch in the ligs then the load is being place onto another structure. I have found that if you want to grow at a fairly constant rate then it is best to focus on tunica growth, regardless of what aspects receive the burden of the stress.

I've been trying the new reverse blasters and I've found that it works a bit better as a RB fake arm stretch with the arm, like the wrist, is placed over the penis and then the penis is pulled upwards and the revers kegel is applied in the same fashion as the standard blaster. This stretch with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] is extremely intense. I wish I still had my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words] and I haven't heard if you can still get one as I've heard that there have been serious problems with people not getting their orders in a timely fashion as of late.

As far as working length and girth, I have found it to be most beneficial to try and square one goal away at a time. It's not as mentally taxing as attempting to do both and it has really helped me in gaining length more rapidly. When I did girth only workouts I felt the same way as I gained almost half an inch in the 8-9 months that I did girth only. Right now I'm so close to reaching my length goal that I'm looking forward to hitting girth for a while but who knows I may stagnate and end up not working on girth for another 12-14 months.
 
I disagree, for hard gainers like myself you have to go about things a little differently. I know when something works and I know from my personal experience what has been working for me, and that was going about things by working just the upper shaft, and having as a secondary angle BTC for instance.

Or maybe I am just insane or delusional, I know I feel insane someday s from spending so many hours just trying to make my penis bigger.
 
So in my situation i should cover all the angels by doing basically the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]Newbie routine[/words], i will be doing SO, SD, BTC, left, right and middle and UP.

Then after 3-4 weeks, upp the intensity? By adding new exercises IN and ALONG with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words]? I got that right? Such as Revese blasters, DLD Blasters etc.

Also with regards to the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words]... How long periods do you wear it for? If you contineously wear it for hours on end or anything over 1 hour does this results in cell death??? And the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] should be done AFTER manual stretches?? If i did 3 hours per day would that be enough?

And after stretches and [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] should i do 200 light jelqs to restore blood flow?
I have recently been doing:

AM
Manual stretches followed by 300 jelqs (Should i replace jelqs with [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] here?)
PM
200-300 Jelqs

Suggestions again welcome on what would be best?
Cheers guys
 
BULC, You're combining all of the posts into one routine. What I have laid out for you is that you should start with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] at 1-2 angles and knock out 3-4 rounds left, right, middle, and 30 cranks. Then in the next 2 weeks move into the a-stretch blaster supersetted with the v-stretch, or something where the non-stretching hand is pressing down into the top of the shaft. I have gone as far as to do a superset with the a-stretch blaster and the RB's fake arm stretch at a high angle and then into a SD stretch to really fatigue the ligs. I'm seeing great results from that combination and I'm not having to use a ton of volume to reach fatigue.

I would keep the jelqing for circulation purposes only, and I would also throw in some *** jelqing as well. I've gone back to really light jelqing with sets of *** jelqing in between sets and my erection quality is amazing and it seems to help with the length gains as well.
 
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