Additional comment and suggestions from my doctor:
Well, first, you should not take one injection of HcG 5000 per week. You should make three different injections of HcG 1500 per week.
Say, - Monday, Wednesday and Friday (the first week) and Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday (the second week). You can also make additional injection on the day of Sunday to get the strong 2 days injection period. So, you'll never be overcharged by HcG. As also, you'll take TT to avoid the decrease of LH production/secretion. However you can also take D-Aspartic acid (it can also be found in bodybuilders shops) to get the same effect, but be careful, because it stimulates the excessive testosterone secretion - that can originate the high blood pressure.
And also one pill of 3 mg. Melatonine per night and 1-2 pills of D-Aspartic acid if you want be 120% sure in your LH secretion. As for L-Glutamine - if you want and if you have an opportunity to take it, you can take it, if no, - there will not be a big problem. But if you decide to take it, please, try to make more sport - moderate general muscle training and swimming.

I also asked him about Andractim gel:
This gel was recommended by one andrologist surgeon from Russia Mr. Petrovic... who has very good results to make penis thicker and also enlarge glans if its too small in combination with penis pumping.
Here is the answer: Forget it. This effect is well-known in medicine, but the problem is that Dihydrotestosterone is very destructive for prostate. Yes, it makes an enormous effect on penis growth even for adult people, - because it directly hits the testosterone targets inside of penis tissue, responsible for penis growth, - but at the same time it stimulates the overgrowth of prostate tissue and finally can originate the cancer of prostate.
As for Mr Petrovich, - in Russia he's a well-known charlatan, inventor of many bizarre technologies and remedies that even the Russian people (they have some kind of national sport to invent and to test all possible and impossible new ideas, inventions, theories, dietary supplements, modes of treatment and of physical training, as also the remedies on themselves) consider as fraudulent.
Medically this idea is correct. But be careful with your prostate. Because the bigger will grow your equipment because of Dihydrotestosterone presence, the bigger will become your prostate. This is almost the same principle of tissue growth because of testosterone targets. Try to protect it by Zn, TT and Fe(II). As also, - to get the necessary effect, you should have the doze of Dihydrotestosterone in this gel 3-4 times higher than they declare. So, commercially, you'll be obliged to pay more for the same effect.
 
Jdcsd;530309 said:
You don't need anything at 19. Wait till at least 21 to use anything that affects your hormones. You test at 19 is great. Just eat right and lift and you will gain muscle.

Sorry don't agree with this, testosterone levels are still going to at optimal production at 21 as apposed to 19, is he supposed to wait untill the exact minute he turns 21 before using AAS ??
 
Subscribed, watching the progress here and interested in your research...
 
I've been thinking that Turinabol would be a good addition or replacement to the supplement TT.
But there could also good reasons it might not be good to take with hCG.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
 
BraHydromaxanion;532054 said:
Additional comment and suggestions from my doctor:
Well, first, you should not take one injection of HcG 5000 per week. You should make three different injections of HcG 1500 per week.

That seems like too much. People that use it for a diet supplement use less than 1500 per week.
 
Apparitions;533090 said:
That seems like too much. People that use it for a diet supplement use less than 1500 per week.

I dont care what people using, I know that 4500 per week make it grow in combination with pumping and penis massage like jelq etc..
 
Experimentation is KING when it comes to supplementation. Our formula, soon to be released, was based on many months of experimentation, exploration, trial and error. There was also many replacements made for certain substances that would have a negative side effect. It really pays off to research, read up on others work and try things out for yourself.
 
hey DLD,
what kind of formula and when it will be released?
ps: Im waiting my first package to start gentle HCG experiment.
 
I will tell you my progress in 4 weeks, usually the effect to be activated after 2-3 weeks from 1st injection.
I can not tell anything for now, can say that I felt no pain from injection and feel now more higher blood flow than before.
 
BraHydromaxanion;536699 said:
I will tell you my progress in 4 weeks, usually the effect to be activated after 2-3 weeks from 1st injection.
I can not tell anything for now, can say that I felt no pain from injection and feel now more higher blood flow than before.

Please keep close and accurate measure of all changes, this data is valuable to many looking towards chemical penis enlargement.
 
doublelongdaddy;537541 said:
Please keep close and accurate measure of all changes, this data is valuable to many looking towards chemical penis enlargement.

I will try to make it. What in general I have to measure except girth and length?
 
Let's just be clear on a few things:

hCG is systemic and will not act locally, So do not inject this into your penis. It will be painful do nothing but increase the possibility of damaging your penis. The act of using hCG for penis growth usually only occurs in men with hypogonadism - this effect may become apparent because they do not produce enough LH and FSH to induce testosterone and estrogen production along with DHT. hCG will provide a means to increase hormone levels but that does include estrogens as well. One will also need to consider aromatase activity will, in turn, become more 'active' with the increased andorgen and estrogen levels in an attempt to re-establish allostasis.

I suggest heavy research with this particular peptide; too much may cause some negative returns and desensitize your leydig cells for a period of time, equating to a distinctly counterproductive system. If you're interested in androgens only, take a mild aromatase inhibitor alongside your run of hCG to avoid your natural negative feedback loop. It is also of great importance to not stay on this peptide for extended periods of time.

As an alternative, you may be interested in supplementing with D-aspartic acid, SERM (clomiphene citrate), Aromatase inhibitor (mild dosages); This will accomplish great leaps hormonally.
 
88man;538132 said:
Let's just be clear on a few things:

hCG is systemic and will not act locally, So do not inject this into your penis. It will be painful do nothing but increase the possibility of damaging your penis. The act of using hCG for penis growth usually only occurs in men with hypogonadism - this effect may become apparent because they do not produce enough LH and FSH to induce testosterone and estrogen production along with DHT. hCG will provide a means to increase hormone levels but that does include estrogens as well. One will also need to consider aromatase activity will, in turn, become more 'active' with the increased andorgen and estrogen levels in an attempt to re-establish allostasis.

I suggest heavy research with this particular peptide; too much may cause some negative returns and desensitize your leydig cells for a period of time, equating to a distinctly counterproductive system. If you're interested in androgens only, take a mild aromatase inhibitor alongside your run of hCG to avoid your natural negative feedback loop. It is also of great importance to not stay on this peptide for extended periods of time.

As an alternative, you may be interested in supplementing with D-aspartic acid, SERM (clomiphene citrate), Aromatase inhibitor (mild dosages); This will accomplish great leaps hormonally.

Did you tried the injection of HCG yourself? If you think that it will be painful with the possibility of damaging your penis then you never tried. Absolutely not like that. There is no damage for penis tissue at all. Also Pregnyl does not have the same destructive effect as testosterone injections. There will be a small hole from the needle and also Pregnyl has to absorb by the penis within 6-7 hours.

D-aspartic acid will increase your blood flow and also will increase your LH secretion. In both sexes, LH stimulates secretion of sex steroids from the gonads. In the testes, LH binds to receptors on Leydig cells, stimulating synthesis and secretion of testosterone. Used as a support together with TT (Tribulus Terestris) pills, but all these ingredients should be hi quality to be sure that there is a desirable effect in support therapy with Pregnyl. Also Zn+Fe(II).

Clomiphene Citrate used for infertility. Clomiphene stimulates the release of hormones needed to cause ovulation. Clomiphene may be used to treat low sperm counts (oligospermia) with a lot of side effects.

Aromatase Inhibitors stop the production of estrogen in postmenopausal women. Aromatase inhibitors work by blocking the enzyme aromatase, which turns the hormone androgen into small amounts of estrogen in the body. Aromatase inhibitors tend to cause side effects, such as blood clots, stroke, and endometrial cancer. Can cause heart problems, bone loss (osteoporosis), and broken bones, at least for the first few years of treatment.

If you will use Pregnyl as 8 weeks treatment then you will not have any problems of this kind. You may have something like this only if you take 180 injections of Pregnyl per one year. Then it will originate the hormonal dysfunction even with all these supplements D-Aspartic acid, TT + Zn + Fe(II). In short-term 8 weeks it will not change anything. Even more. You'll be able to ejaculate more, because the treatment will stimulate the sperm production. After the Pregnyl injections the penis becomes proportional and fat. With the shape "torpedo like" or "zeppelin like" with large or moderate head of penis on very solid and strong body. The same proportions and look as the plastic bottle of "Coca-Cola" with cover on top covered with thin skin and without enhanced visible veins. So you'll have well developed or over developed corpus cavernosum. More in width than in length. But with regular massage and penis pump trainings it will become more proportional. The hormonal effect from one course of Pregnyl will last about 24 weeks. Also you should not drink any beer because the female estrogen will neutralize all effects of Pregnyl and high testosterone level. The process needs regular high level of internal stimulation therefore without effective penis enlargement training like penis pump and jelq massage you simply loose your money.
 
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BraHydromaxanion;538198 said:
Did you tried the injection of HCG yourself? If you think that it will be painful with the possibility of damaging your penis then you never tried. Absolutely not like that. There is no damage for penis tissue at all. Also Pregnyl does not have the same destructive effect as testosterone injections. There will be a small hole from the needle and also Pregnyl has to absorb by the penis within 6-7 hours.

D-aspartic acid will increase your blood flow and also will increase your LH secretion. In both sexes, LH stimulates secretion of sex steroids from the gonads. In the testes, LH binds to receptors on Leydig cells, stimulating synthesis and secretion of testosterone. Used as a support together with TT (Tribulus Terestris) pills, but all these ingredients should be hi quality to be sure that there is a desirable effect in support therapy with Pregnyl. Also Zn+Fe(II).

Clomiphene Citrate used for infertility. Clomiphene stimulates the release of hormones needed to cause ovulation. Clomiphene may be used to treat low sperm counts (oligospermia) with a lot of side effects.

Aromatase Inhibitors stop the production of estrogen in postmenopausal women. Aromatase inhibitors work by blocking the enzyme aromatase, which turns the hormone androgen into small amounts of estrogen in the body. Aromatase inhibitors tend to cause side effects, such as blood clots, stroke, and endometrial cancer. Can cause heart problems, bone loss (osteoporosis), and broken bones, at least for the first few years of treatment.

If you will use Pregnyl as 8 weeks treatment then you will not have any problems of this kind. You may have something like this only if you take 180 injections of Pregnyl per one year. Then it will originate the hormonal dysfunction even with all these supplements D-Aspartic acid, TT + Zn + Fe(II). In short-term 8 weeks it will not change anything. Even more. You'll be able to ejaculate more, because the treatment will stimulate the sperm production. After the Pregnyl injections the penis becomes proportional and fat. With the shape "torpedo like" or "zeppelin like" with large or moderate head of penis on very solid and strong body. The same proportions and look as the plastic bottle of "Coca-Cola" with cover on top covered with thin skin and without enhanced visible veins. So you'll have well developed or over developed corpus cavernosum. More in width than in length. But with regular massage and penis pump trainings it will become more proportional. The hormonal effect from one course of Pregnyl will last about 24 weeks. Also you should not drink any beer because the female estrogen will neutralize all effects of Pregnyl and high testosterone level. The process needs regular high level of internal stimulation therefore without effective penis enlargement training like penis pump and jelq massage you simply loose your money.

I have no need to take hCG to know the physiological response it presents to the male as I am a student of molecular biology (with emphasis on the endocrine system). Although, I have used it before as I bodybuild competitively and use AAS.

I believe you may have read something and not understood what you read or googled a specific string of words and used whatever popped up first as your source of information. It is one thing to read an article or journal entry of scientific nature on a particular subject, it is also another point that you should comprehend (and read fully) to understand what it is saying, with what variables are or not in play and it's implications. It seems you are using 'google' or referencing 'Wikipedia' to supplement your knowledge or idea. In any event, you're wrong.

Aromatase inhibitors are not dangerous when used with care. As with any hormonal substance there may be side effects. AI's DO NOT cause cancer and is used as another form of treatment on specific estrogen driven cancers; not simply linked to breast cancer. Aromatase inhibitors are also much less likely to cause blood clots or strokes. I think you performed a search on 'aromatase inhibitor' and misread the first sentence describing it's unlikely side effects. Bone loss is of less potential when being used in cyclic intervals or short periods of time - you're not treating breast cancer or estrogen related cancers or any chronic disease.

SERMs are used IN WOMEN to treat various (once again) estrogen related cancers/diseases including bone cancers as, they too, are estrogen driven. In men SERMs are of great use with bodybuilding, sexual and hormonal purposes. Again, don't just google the name 'clomiphene citrate.' That particular compound is being used in men to treat low testosterone and sexual dysfunction with great success. Some of the research on it's other interactions with stimulating hormone secretion is very interesting; some of which will require more than a simple google search.

With regards to hCG, tell me: how does injecting into your penis CC or foreskin going to produce localized growth? Where and what organ does hCG interact with to transduce a response on the physiological level? How is it going to cause penis growth? Why, when hCG acts systemically - would it simply change it's mode of interaction? Also, do you even know what hCG stimulates directly (please do not quote google searches) and how does stimulate a normal male to cause gene activation to increase penis size unless you're hypogonadal with a small penis to begin with?

- To make it very simple, you're reaching for the stars and you really don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. I encourage you to not pass on false information and understand that you need to comprehend what is being talked about in a research paper for you to be able to extrapolate information.
 
88man, you are completely correct. If we speak about an exam in medical university. Or if we speak about general medicine book. But the real life and the medical practice are something different if compared to the text-books. But in reality all is simple - if you know your objective - you'll always find the medical knowledge to reach it. With remedies or without them - it depends of the situation. The key objective here is to know the chain of biochemical interactions in your body.

Aromatase inhibitors, SERMs and others are not the "alternative". These are the necessary supplements. Or the main factors if you make sport and if you don't use hCG. Anyway, you white the correct things as student of molecular biology (with emphasis on the endocrine system), but but you do not think as a practitioner. You simply make the copy of general medicine book. But if you was right, Pregnyl would never be used by athletes for muscular mass growth and for stabilization of hormonal system after steroid-therapy. Here works the same principle. And here you can observe the same described reaction. The key-factor is the question of testosterone targeting. This is the key principal thing in this hCG therapy. So, the testosterone should not work for your body and for your muscles, but for your genitals with accentuation.

Yes, Pregnyl/hCG will not act locally. But it will act with maximum effect to the place of its maximum concentration around the area of its injection. Then you make an injection under the foreskin, your penis and you testicles will become the area of maximum concentration of hCG. So, the result will be more definitive.

You wrote before: The act of using hCG for penis growth usually only occurs in men with hypogonadism
The same principle works for normal people. The single thing is to avoid the hormonal dysfunction. To avoid it - you should take all these pills, aminoacids, TT, etc. to compensate this effect. But if for the people with hypogonadism it works pretty well without these food supplements, for normal people the natural balance should be supported by these drugs to avoid the hormonal dysfunction in a future, after the end of the course of injections. And you don't drink beer with natural herbal estrogen during the course of injections. Normally, during the course of injections you'll get about +5-7% of natural estrogen level. This is normal situation and it will be compensated by testosterone secretion.

We can talk about it endlessly. The point is that it works, and we have proved in practice. You are thought of as a theoretician, but must also understand that the body is a high-tech factory with whom you just need to find a common language.
 
BraHydromaxanion, did you finish this protocol? What were your results? Keep us posted, this kind of experimentation and information is needed to help chemical Penis Enlargement evolve.

Dford
 
HCG WILL NOT MAKE YOUR Penis EnlargementNIS BIGGER. It will makes your balls bigger from being shut down with AAS use, and load volume will increase, BUT IT WILL NOT INCREASE Penis EnlargementNIS SIZE. HCG is commonly used in BB'ing, only to those who wish to keep fertile. Fertility Clinics will prescribe HCG if labs show the need is there. Most importantly, make sure you have legit HCG. A common test is a pregnancy test. Pregnyl by Organon is quality stuff, only HCG I use. Beware of Chinese generics, or even vials will colored flip offs. And please don't buy HCG suspended, that is total BS.

And if you do get your hands on some amps, please learn how to reconstitute correctly so you are pinning the right doses...
 
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