My views on the hardcore bib. Damn i like this thing alot. I concede that my home hangers pale in comparison to his product. Not only is it easier to put on and remove but the pull is leaps above what i was getting with my hanger i made. Still have some work to do on getting the wrap right and it seated in a good spot on my shaft but from the feel of things so far it looks to be a more than worth the money investment.
 
Switched out my fulcrum and have a set up where i can have all of the weight on my bib pulling at a 10 o'clock angle. I move my buttocks back and forward during the set to increase/decrease the amount of tunica and lig pressure. It has yielded a significant soreness thus far and is pushing me near fatigue at most of my sets. I believe as I come closer to fatigue, I can start finding my sweet spot and get there quicker each and every time, which in turn will allow me to gain at a greater rate than i presently am.
 
Been takin it easy the last week and a half. Talking with Bib on his forum about my hanger slipping and working with some wrapping techniques he is suggesting. Just taking it day by day right now to find my right fit. Rushing things would only lead to injury, so going nice and slow is the right thing to do.
 
Hang session are back to 20 minutes a piece at a reduced weight while letting my skin adjust to the bib and getting my settings right on it for the best grip as well. Have slacked the past month on girth as i have been focusing solely on my hanging and getting it right. Goin to step the girth work back up slowly starting after my off day, just need to get my discipline back.
 
How is hanging with the bib going? I have been going only one session 20 min w/ 5lbs. Really just started this week with it, after fine tuning the adjustments. I am hoping that this will help me break into the 8" bpfsl. Any advice would be outstanding.

Later seek
 
Knight

I am still working with my wrap to get it right. Which BIB are you using the padded or hardcore? Currently I have a theraband wrap over a light sweatshirt like material for my wrap. I eventually want to get accustomed to entirely theraband as it grip is superior. I was hanging at 12.5 but dropped to 10 for the last 2 weeks while i am working with being pro-active in preventing an injury from me wanting to hang more weight to get more length.
 
Been slow the last few weeks with my routine. The whole starting a new job thing threw the previous schedule out the window. Unfortunately that means Penis Enlargement had to take a back seat until i can readjust accordingly(hey we cant all be perfect). Within the next week I finally have an idea of what/how i need to approach my workouts again. I have to move back into the morning regimen of length which will consist of my hang sessions with girth work in the evening along with a small manual stretch session beforehand for warm ups. Will keep posting and keep adapting.
 
Right now I have been able to hang in sets of 45 min or 25 min. I am only at 7lbs, but I am taking it slowly. Its a little frustrating to me right now though. I have been hanging and I can feel the stretch for sure, but afterwards I cant reach my BPFSL. I am normally anywhere from an 1/8" to 1/4" under. Shouldnt I be going up? Anyways hope you are able to get your schedule rescheduled! P90X going okay? Take care.
 
I have the same thing happen during my hang sessions afterwards. It is the muscle retracting and trying to heal afterwards(referred to as babydick in some threads). The schedule is going to work i just have to motivate myself properly. Right now i am doin some manuals at night because of laziness during the morning instead of hanging. P90x is getting rough. My body is working on adjusting to the burn state and not having as much fat to burn is taking its toll a bit. Still love it though
 
After reading a great post on grip technique started by Pandora and contributed to by DLD, I have begun to incorporate manual stretching into my routine again. The new grip tech has taken all the old pressure i used to have and what caused my only slight injury and gotten rid of it. The stretch is much more intense and i feel it more from my base rather than the upper shaft as before. This combined with hanging has been my routine for the past week and I am liking it more everyday.
 
Good news to report. The wifey is now having issues deep throating and has been asking if i was still doing Penis Enlargement(apparently i have grown a tad to her, ciclope still looks the same to me). Although this can be a bad thing as well but on the other hand.

The combo of hanging and stretching as my routine has become much more enjoyable as it has intense from previous regimens.

Here is what i am currently doing

Morning: 15 minute hang with the Bib Hardcore, followed by a 5 minute rest for circulation, then 15 minute modified [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words]

Evening: Same deal as the morning

Going to ease back into girth work as well soon and jump to one more hang session, then eventually add another manual session.

Overall goal is to gradually increase my time up to 2-3 hours a day of Penis Enlargement split routine training. I believe this will be a good consistent routine and allow an example of what can be done for those of us in the 9-5 and beyond worlds.
 
airshy

thanks for the motivator for shooting for more length.

on to the hanging question. My hanging angles are SO and SU respectively as my lot is dead at 6pm. I do my lig work when i do the manual stretches with 1 minute lig stretch in easy cycle. I usually do 3 cycles of 4 stretches in my manual routine of about 45 seconds to 1 1/2 minutes a piece with slowly increasing intensity.

About the lig deformation: I believe it is all related to the amount of intensity that you create each time you stretch. DLD, Bib, Supra, just to name a few all have described their best and most consistent gains after finding the "sweet spot". Everyone is different, you could feel it in one hang session and be totally maxed and fatigued or take 4 to X number of sessions to find it. Now that being said here is what i have been doing and it has felt great and very intense. I start my hang session as normal with regular weight, midway through set i attach another weight of 1lb to 2.5 pounds to increase the intensity, give it about 5 minutes, then remove the weight and let my penis get used to being stretched at the longer length but with less weight in order to adapt to the current stress level. My indicator is when i can actually feel my PC muscle tell me to f* off. At that point i drop weight as said before and ride out another few minutes to have the tissue deformation.

Probably a bit more of an answer than you wanted but I also know that upping the amount of hang time also will lead to sustained lengthening afterwards from my previous routine experiments and from Ithiels' dedication over the month where he went ballistic with his hanger. I have just had to switch it up in order to adapt to everyday life. If you have time i would recommend doing a set of 3 sessions sequentially to attain good fatigue and work up from there.
 
we have a very similar method! I often increase weight throughout the set to bring on fatigue and also try and do 3-4 20 minute sets back to back when i have time.

I have wondered about hanging time very much - no one wants to hang more than they need too. I was curious if 2 x 15 minute session are enough for you to breakinto the ligs. If your pc muscle is telling you to f off haha... it sounds like tunica which i would expect from those angles? (which for sure can create gains)

I am doing almost all BTC angles and the ligs on the pubic bone are my limiting factor currently.
 
Tunica work indeed has been the main focus of my work. I can say though that the BTC angle with a manual stretch does feel really intense.

I like the method we are using of slight weight increase over the course of the hang session. Putting on all the weight in the beginning was a bit uncomfortable, but the gradual increase allows for the body to adapt better and warm up a bit before adding more intensity.
 
Been going fairly strong again but still have not been able to add girth work in, going to get at it shortly though

2 [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x 20[/words] minute sets of manual stretching daily, once in the morning, once in the evening

4 [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x 20[/words] minute hang sessions on the weekend when i have some good free time


the hang sessions have been great relief for my forearms and fingers from the new grip technique
 
Routine has been going well, girth work still is making its way back into the routine. I have been mixing it up day by day depending on the amount of time available and privacy. Some days are all manuals, others are a good manual session followed by a few hang sessions.
 
Finally got to read the constrictor guide by REDZULU. I had played with constricting in the past but his guide shed new light on the subject. I have incorporated 2 20 minute constricting sessions every other day for my girth routine. It has thrown a bit of an oddity in the routine in regards to pliability in stretching and the intensity being not as great of a feeling as before. Thus far the routine is an AM stretch with a different blaster type 3 mornings, basic stretching one day, and hanging the others, with the girth routine in the evening.
 
update to the current routine

Morning alternate girth work as i am using the post morning word testosterone to feed my energy more.

Day 1 - 20 minute clamp, Uli, Bends, and erect stretching while in the clamp with the occasional Horse 440. Afterwards Semi erect clamped stretching as per an experiment with clamped stretching while not erect.

Day 2 - 300 jelqs and a 2 minute Uli every 50

Evening - variety of length work to keep it interesting

Day 1 - RSDT hang 1 session followed by one chair hang session and then 1 more RSDT. I vary the weight according to how my penis feels hanging anywhere from 12lbs to 5 when i get worked. If i cannot get a full 3 sets in due to privacy or i usually just want to do some manual work as well, go for 10 minutes of solid SO stretching and BTC work.

Day 2 - Manual stretching. TOW stretching has been the choice lately as it is producing great fatigue following millionmans progressive advice.

Been feeling much better about my routine as of lately and believe the variety is key to keeping my motivation going until I reach my goals
 
Routine has been going well. My clamping routine every other day following reds' phenomenal guide is great. I can now say that i have to wait some time before getting an erection after a good solid workout of clamping. On top of that the switching between manuals and hanging for my all length second sessions of the day is keeping it interesting and i have soreness all through my penis now. I feel like I am starting to find a pattern in what works to make me consistently sore and feel like i have had a good workout finally. for those who have not found it yet, do not despair, push through it and when you start to find things out its a great feeling.

Also have to comment on the progressive stretching thread by million man. Since applying this theory i have actually had a lig pop and been getting greater intensity by simply listening to my penis rather than trying to pull it to the end of the earth.
 
Made a few changes to my techniques and they have paid off this week. My penis as a whole feels thoroughly worked and my tunica is probably the sorest it has ever been. My changes were suttle

-position my bib hanger about 1/4 to 1/2 inch lower towards the base on my shaft. This emphasized more of the internals than a skin stretch. thanks ithiel for the post on the hanger position

-TCS stretches during my clamp sessions

-millionmans progressive stretching philosophy on my off hang days and jelq days

-Alternating days of ADC after my clamp sessions are giving me more pump throughout the day and a more healthy looking penis.

These suttle workout changes are all giving me a great workout and in less time than i used to spend. Minus the hanging but i get a good amount of work done on the ole pc while doing those sets.
 
Skin had gotten a little sore from being stretched out the last few days, had to take a day off yesterday and a slow day today from the soreness. I believe this is a sign of good growth and i need to get some good revitalizing lotion as well and apply it regularly.
 
Changed my ADC to a different padding w/ my cable clamp. All i have to say is holy shit what a good idea that was. I had a mad pump for about 2 hours before i got sore and had to concede. I used some foam copper pipe insualation from the local hardware store i got this weekend from reading another ADC thread. Im sure the ZMA at night and Amino blend in the morning is helping somewhat but not close to the work that is getting put in now.
 
Penis has been really tired the last few days since my previous post. Been doing more erect work than usual and the ADC every other day for a few hours. My manual routine feels awkward as I have been noticing that I am a bit rubbery as put by millionman in his progressive stretching post.
 
Great workouts have been more frequent lately. I switched over to some foam pipe insulation for my padding while clamping. In turn i get a better clamp hold this way and more blood stays in my penis even while doing the TCS reps. I have been sticking to the progressive stretching and moving my grip further down my shaft if necessary depending on how good of a pull i get at my normal spot. I now do the following:

AM-Clamp routine MWF-2 15 minute sets T/TR- 3 10 minute sets
PM-Manual stretching

Alternating weekdays- ADC for 2 or 3 hours until i get too sore
 
I will be honest in saying i dont know at the moment. Part of me wants to get the ruler out when i have a great erection going, the other half wants to leave it be until i feel like i have really made good progress. I am going to man up in the next week or so and get it out though so i can have a spot to chart from again and goals to shoot for.
 
This week has been an off one. Got sidetracked and was mentally exhausted. But tomorrow is another day. Back to a good glamp workout in the AM followed by a true length session at night.
 
Had 2 weeks off because life caught up with me and I had to pimp smack it back into its place. Began to focus on length for the past month and let girth work slip to once or twice a week. This led to an unbalanced routine and i lost my luster in it for a few days. Back on track now. Rebalanced the routine with multiple 10-15 minute clamp sessions throughout the day no less than 10 no more than 15 totalling at 25-30 minutes for the day. going 2 on and one off with the clamp and ADC. Moderate manuals on the clamp days and more on the off clamp days with a light jelq session for circulation as well. I believe by rebalancing my routine that has been extreme and back my first year i should be able to find my foothold and my pattern to gains.
 
gained .5" in length and girth in a little over a year. I noticed things picking up after applying the principles in millionmans' progressive stretching and the implementation of clamping.

I currently clamp for two days and take one day off

clamp days - 2 x 13 minute clamp sessions on in the AM on in the PM with light TOW stretching after the PM

off days - light 100-300 jelqs in the AM, progressive stretch in the PM

all days wearing ROP and clamp days wearing ADC for 4-6 hours while at the office.
 
Got some shitty ass news that put me into a non-pe mode for the last 3 days. Got my ass out of the shit mood and now hit back today into a routine. Got a good hard 20 minute jelq session and going to get a nice length session in tonight to break back in after 3 days off.
 
Got back after it this week. The thread for team spring helped out motivational wise. Did good clamp and slow jelq sessions this week. Length work is minimal right now as i am working on my erection strength. Getting 3-5 jai sessions of 20 reps in throughout each day though.

right now

AM Clamp for 15 min, whatever exercise i feel like

ADC, lost the ROP while sleeping and i think the wife hid it cause all the wood i get while wearing it at night(she got tired of getting poked from across the bed)

JAI on every restroom break and after sex

PM Clamp for 15 or slow jelqing for 20-30 minutes
 
Very inspiring and good progress thread,

Your current routine shows a lot of dedication and determination.

Keep going team spring warriors!
 
Swapped routines as life will not slow down enough for me to continue my current one

Currently doing 20 minutes of HCH straight out with the BIB in the AM, 5 minutes of rest then a 10 minute clamp for good measure

JAI when i get moments during the day

PM Clamp session 1 x 10-20 minutes depending on my feel that night and Jelqing with the DIY version of the Power Jelq
 
After hanging again for the past 2 weeks I am sore. I follow the HCH thread by dash. Also the change in wrap and hanger position on my penis and hang angle to SO have helped immensely. I am going to get a setup for doing OTS hanging as well. I have had a good amount of fatigue from my routine and erection quality has gone down a bit but the mrs. doesn't allow certain positions that she was as they are going a hair deeper than before.(feedback from the woman is always a good thing, much better than any ruler)
 
Got my new cable clamps in the other day and cant wait to get back to girth work, between those and the DIY jelq device it is time to get down to it again. Still doing the hard core hanging for 20 minutes in the AM with JAI stretches at every bathroom interval during the day. Started also using the jelq device for 5-10 minutes after hanging and it really gets the blood flowing and helps expand the areas that were just worked during the stretch.
 
Beginning to reach fatigue in my 2 hang sessions in the day. Within the next month of progressing at 1lb per week i believe i will start hitting the optimal weight to start producing results again.

Currently I do one SO session in the morning and 1 RSDT session in the evening with JAI stretches during the day when time permits and girth work to begin more intensely again as i have been a slacker lately with it.
 
Moved into an all length routine with minimal girth work to try and focus on one aspect at a time because of my lack of personal time during the fun seasons of the year. Changed my hang wrap style slightly and situated myself lower in the hanger according to some threads over at BIBs' place. I have been getting a far greater workout from these minor tweaks and am bringing on fatigue at the end of my first OTS set and carrying through with as many as 4 more sets through the day when possible.
 
Had to decon for reasons other than my own right before starting my new routine. 1 week of decon left before i can begin again. Can tell that during the 4 week stint i have gone down considerably but this will prove excellent for my new routine and new goals.
 
busy schedule has prevented me from going full fledged into my new routine. It will commence very soon as life is settling down enough to get the amount of erect work i need into my routine.

pasted below is my revised routine and where i am currently at

GOAL 8.5 length NBPenis EnlargementL and 6 EG

Short term 7.5 and 6
Mid Term 8 x6
Long Term 8.5x6

Chart for progress
7/26 BPFSL = 7.75”


Penis Enlargement Plan 2 week cycles make changes when needed for variety

EVERYDAY- 1 hang session at max to really get extension and a consistent 20 minute pull according to HCH guidelines

EVERY NIGHT ALONG WITH THE CURRENT ROUTINE- Erect Stretches and Bends for 20 minutes or until sore and Alpha Lig stretches before bed while laying down.

Clamped Work, focus on the U-Bend, Constricted TOW after getting max expansion

Week 1

M/AM-Basic Routine, Progressive stretches throughout workday
Noonish- Pc Work
m/PM- warm up length set to get everything loose, Supra Slammers

T/AM-Pulse 110's followed by periodic progressives during the day
noonish- PC work
m/PM- light length warm up, clamp sessions of 3 x 10 building into one constant half hour eventually

w/AM- progressive stretches through day
noon-pc work
w/PM- length warm up with long slow jelqing at 85-100% full capacity for 20 minutes working up to 40.

TR-/AM- Plyo Blasters w/ periodic stretch throughout day to keep loose
noon- pc work
TR/PM- light length w/ Mini slammers

F/AM- progressive throughout day
noon-pcwork
f/PM- light length, Clamping with rest inbetween spent using power jelq at 80-100% capacity

Sat/AM-Bundled stretches
noon-pc work
Sat/PM- light length w/ heavy jelqing at 85-100% capacity

Sun- rest except for periodic length to keep loose

Week 2

M/AM-Progressive stretches throughout workday
Noonish- Pc Work
m/PM- warm up length set to get everything loose, Supra Slammers

T/AM-Pulse 110's followed by periodic progressives during the day
noonish- PC work
m/PM- light length warm up, clamp sessions of 3 x 10 building into one constant half hour eventually

w/AM- Progressive DLD Blasters, progressive stretches through day
noon-pc work
w/PM- length warm up with long slow jelqing at 85-100% full capacity every 50 jelqs do a 1 minute uli for max expansion.

TR-/AM- Plyo Blasters w/ periodic stretch throughout day to keep loose
noon- pc work
TR/PM- light length w/ Mini slammers

F/AM- progressive throughout day
noon-pcwork
f/PM- light length, Clamping with rest inbetween spent using power jelq at 80-100% capacity

Sat/AM-Bundled stretches
noon-pc work
Sat/PM- light length w/ heavy jelqing at 85-100% capacity, uli every 50 jelqs for max expansion
 
Revision of plan above removes all hardcore length work. This has been superceded by the BS method of slow attack on the captain.

This gradual progression of stretching will be done everyday multiple times as it does not involve rigorous stretching and lots of blunt trauma. JAI stretches will be done at restroom intervals in accordance with the slow sneak attack approach.

I have been doing the slow sneaky stretch and have thus far garnered some soreness in my shaft and at the base while applying next to no force in my stretches but instead letting my penis do the work for me by letting itself go to its max FSL and just barely beyond.

The ability to go to this region multiple times daily and stay in a consistently longer and rubbery state also seems to coincide with the notion of "heal in an extended state".
 
Revised yet again. In the AM it is a revolving depending on the day and mood;

ULI's complete routine
Supra Slammers(Mini and Regular)
Clamping
Mega Slow Jelq

These each go from anywhere of 20 minutes to upwards of a half hour and are really getting me pumped.

Day work is much the same, light pulls, JAI, etc

The PM starts with a mild hang session using my own resistance no solid weights, after that and a rest is a few lazy ass stretches for 10 minutes a piece or so to feel comfortable at the stretch. The GS pullout comes after that one and then into the PM erect/girth routine which one of the 4 above but not the same one as the AM.(need variety)

I have been using this for about two weeks now and have been getting great soreness and increased erection strength again.

All total the amount of Penis Enlargement is right around 2 hours give or take. May sound like a lot but considering when you stretch it out over the course of a day you can get in a lot more than you think.

I do use more than the 4 expanders above but those make up the core that i revolve around.
 
During an experiment last week as i didnt feel like doing any of my regular routine i broke out the BIB hard core hanger.

during my layoff my brain somehow figured out how to use the thing properly and wrap effectively with theraband. I also modified my RSDT on a whim.

Between those two the stretch i have been getting is phenomenal. I have moved 3 sets of hanging into my routine during the cold season and will work up to 6 per day if i can manage it. The sorenesss is everyday and i started out with only 2.5 lbs on the fulcrum this time.

The only change to the routine above is that PM is now hanging and light girth work for circulation after the hanging sets.

looking into makeing an [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] system with a shaft collar from mcmaster with a recipe that is in the main forums. will write on that when it happens as well.
 
Incorporated the TGC theory by remek back into my own personal Penis Enlargement equation.

Combined with the renewed hanging and better stretch the routine is putting me through the ringer. It has been a long time sine i threw in the towel but after a blistering 1 hour session this morning i went to hang this evening and one set was it, lights out, done.

Look forward to see what this produces as I am stumbling into my growing routine i believe.
 
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