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I've had erectile difficulties for more than 3 years, and I believe that my Penis Enlargement routine is responsible for it. I'm capable of getting servicable erections, meaning I could have sex with it, but its not very often, and I now only sometimes wake up with weak, drooping erections. I'm 23 years old.

I started pe'ing in late 2001. Initially, I had a limited jelq and manual stretch routine. I was mostly consistent, used hotwraps, and tried to take things slowly. After a few weeks, it seemed like my penis started to respond by being more veiny and full. I didn't notice any erection difficulties at this time.

I moved onto some weight hanging with a poorly jerryrigged appartus involving up to 7.5 lbs. of free weights and some old t-shirts. A few times in my flirting with hanging I noticed some sharp pains in the sides of my penis. I took some time off and it seemed to be fine. Around this point I started to notice that it was slightly more difficult to get erections. I didn't really worry yet because I was still excited about potentially gaining some size. I also noticed by this time that my flacid length was a little longer than it used to be.

Also at this time, I started to have relationship difficutlies with my girlfriend, which may have definitely impacted my erections. I also started taking some Propecia, which limits dihydrotestosterone to treat balding. I didn't like how I felt on it, and stopped it in less than a week and decided to deal with my thinning hair. According to what I've read, its unlikely that a week with limited dihydrotestosterone would permanently damage my penis. I still Penis Enlargement'd, broke up with my girlfriend, and freaked out about it. From this point on, about July 2003, I've had no where near the frequency, hardness, or sensitivity with my erections that I did before I started Penis Enlargement.

I still Penis Enlargement, in part because I hope that this will clear up, or that Penis Enlargement will even help it, and I want to believe Penis Enlargement can work for me. But its been years now. I have come to believe that Penis Enlargement can damage tissue in the penis, perhaps permanently. DLD, if you read this, I know I've read your beliefs that the penis enlarges naturally, so the tissues should be able to expand further than its unexercised limits. I know that many of you guys are happy with what Penis Enlargement is doing for you, and I do believe that many of you guys have bigger hard ons than you used to.

I have to go, but I want to post this. I'll repost later with a more edited and thorough thread.
 
I think you need to post a more detailed description of your past and present routines to let the more experienced try to analize this.
Also, it seems you been constantly thinking about it for about 3 years, so psychology might be a big part of this.
 
orbital said:
have come to believe that Penis Enlargement can damage tissue in the penis, perhaps QUOTE]
I totally am there with u man. I belive that pe can definently damage the dick. You said u hung with weights and than u had pain in the side of the dick. A few months ago i stretched downward quite hard and afterwards i never seemed to get the erections i was getting before, and i also got a weird pain in the side of the dick. It felt like it was there but wasn't and could of been anywhere from my upper shaft to almost in my groin. Anyways i guess through this i have come to conclusion that stretching is dangerous especially if done in a very flaccid state. The chambers in the dick are scrunched up Like a rubber band. They are thinner and in my opinion when stretched in that state can be damaged. Especially if u where hanging weights. When we stretch our dick in a flaccid state we arn't really stretching it past our erection length, and the are it effects the most are the sides for me that is where i feel it the most (And not in a Good way) i make sure i have a decent amount of blood flow when stretching. I got back to normal after i took some time off and cleared my head.
 
Ok. I happen to be an expert on this stuff.

-if you have too much time search for all latest threads/posts created by me...

Now before I tell you what to do. Think about these things :
I went through very very similar shit as u. We're almost same age, I also had/have the girlfriend around that time and started taking, dht blockers, and dreamed that Penis Enlargement will give me more and more gains, I even thought the same shit as u , and attributed things/problems to wrong solutions....ok fuck that...Listen:

I think , Right now you have a very very good chance of completely recovering from your current situation.
Only, if you listen to me and do exactly what I tell you 100% !

1. Want to know what you did ? You damaged your penis with Penis Enlargement. What or witch part is not important right now (its not THAT severe)...the injury is definetly there and will become worse if you continue the Penis Enlargement. Trust me on that one.

2. Stop all kinds of Penis Enlargement. If not forever (wich would be your best bet since you don't have a Penis Enlargement compatible dick anyways) then atleast for 3 month.

3. Through these 3 month. Take 25 - 50 mg viagra (original pfizer viagra) prior to sleep. EACH AND EVERY NIGHT. You don't skip ANY night for the time of 3 month.
Its most important, because random intake has no permanent effect at all..daily intake however...well you will se what i mean in 3 month.

4. Get a tribulus suppliment. Lookout for some standarized extract with a high saponine percentage. Take it daily for the first month...don't take it at all the 2 and take it again for the whole last 3 month !

5. Don't watch any ���� at all. Completely avoid it , like it was fire for 3 month.

6. 6 is optional. You don't have to do that. It would quicken the results alot, though. Get a tens unit for the penis. Use it daily for 30 minutes for 3 month. This work, the smooth muscle tissue, so it can't degenrate...Usually, you nightly and morning time erection do this job for you - they maintain the function of the smooth muscle cells..by replenishing them with oxygen and working them out.
So if your erections are weak, TRUST ME they will get even weaker with each and every day..slowly but steady your dick will degenrate and change in size...as long as your erection are ok, then everything is ok ..they don't need to get better or worse , just mantainance work.
You have a light to medium form of erectile disfunction. If you follow these steps, daily and consistent, you are very liekly to fully recover and you will not need tribulus/viagra/tens after the 3 month.
Just do yourself a favour and don't restart Pe then.


Ok if this sounds to harsh and radical or if you want to keep on believing that Penis Enlargement will cure your condition. It will not !
NEVER ! get something about Penis Enlargement in your head, its NOT for everybody...in fact my opinion is its really only worth it for a few lucky guys..you already prooved to yourself that you are no one of them...its not only that you probably did excersizes the wrong way or too much of something too soon. Its your dick, its obviously not made for anything else than getting hard and slipping in and out of pussys and taking a random piss.

Oh and something on priority and "mind changes"

3 years ago , when you had a perfect healthy functioning dick, you obsessed with some fuckin, stupid, insecure shit as dicksize, like everyone else did/does including myself back then....you heard the natural Penis Enlargement miracle, saw proof in the picture sections and your priority shifted towards : I MUST GET BIGGER. I'm NOT GOOD ENOUGH. and shit like that. I MUST STICK TO Penis Enlargement. IF MY ERECTIONS GET WEAK I NEED MORE Penis Enlargement or LESS Penis Enlargement ,OR DIFFERENT Penis Enlargement, BUT DEFINETLY Penis Enlargement....


Ok when you come to the point where you have a bigass dick wich YOU CANNOT GET UP AT ALL SPONTANIOUSLY OR WITH VIAGRA..then myfriend you will think about suicide and you will quickly forget about the importance of size..and you will pray to god , blame yourself, Penis Enlargement and everyone else , and fuckin OBsess with getting a normal erection back....wich will not happen. All you get is a dick implant wich means complete destruction of cavernous bodys.irreversible. Oh and even then if you happen to be one of the lucky 8%, who get infections and bacteria together with the implant..then it will be taken out and most of your dick is amputated, ..just a hole left to piss !

right now you are at crossroads...
don't do what I tell you , but please come back later, in 1-2 years reread my post, remember and reply...
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if you do follow, then REALLY make up your mind...Shift the prioritys around. The biggest priority when it comes to DICK, infact is : Getting a good enough hardness, spontaniously after any sort of sexual stimulation AND maintaining this hardness long enough to have SEX.
Thats it...thats what you could do before Penis Enlargement, and thats what you CAN't do anylonger after 3 years of Penis Enlargement. Understand ? No Penis Enlargement for you EVER.
 
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Hey pupper, good to know that someone DOES understand...

god...im struggling so much right now ...had the surgery done..2 weeks KILLER result..then BOOM , just like that , back to nothing, back to even less than before...now I'm thinking about next steps..its so fuckin crazy...like 3 years ago I used to have a goddamn rock hard solid everlasting erection strength..and now ? s h i T! jelly ! Fuckin shit...if I didn#t have the viagra and the tens I'd probably wouldn't even be able to get it up through severe manual stimulation....
 
Tbird,

What is/are tens? And what surgery are you talking about? I'm still composing a longer post so I can fully explain my situation. I've been thinking about starting a website that details the strengths and dangers of Penis Enlargement. Will post again in a while. Oh, BTW, I've been extremely depressed over this. I'm not as positive as you are. I think the same damage that causes my flacid penis to be larger than it used to be is the same damage that fucks up my erection. I'm getting more and more willing to take radical action.
 
dude , do some work. google for tens and elektrostimulation. u'll find tons of info...

besides..as I already told u..follow my advice with the viagra..and the other things mentioned, that should be enough to fully restore u...if not, come back and then ask again. But seriously DO something first ok..for 3 month !

To answer the other question :

I had my veins cut..like 10-15...superficial and deep ones to..
for the first 2 weeks after the operation I was back to 100% spontanious erection with 6" base girth..wich I never had in my whole entire life...u see what a good balanced inflow outflow ratio can mean , when it comes to penis size...unfortunatly..the motherfucking veins rechanneled (most of them) through bridge veins (that were tiny before)

Looking back it was the wrong decision to have such an operation. I should have taken the alternative and get those veins sklerosed in full length..this way the bridge veins would be out of the loop too...and I'd keep the result...well fuck it..i found another university that specialized on exactly this and is having great results...

well...thats it for now..
 
orbital,

Above, you seem to have pinpointed the source of your problems. Why do you so castigate Penis Enlargement, when you obviously did not follow good Penis Enlargementing practices? Almost anything in life can be dangerous if you go about it in the wrong way.

Bigger
 
Bib said:
orbital,

Above, you seem to have pinpointed the source of your problems. Why do you so castigate Penis Enlargement, when you obviously did not follow good Penis Enlargementing practices? Almost anything in life can be dangerous if you go about it in the wrong way.

Bigger
:clap: Probly the main reason people hurt themselves. When i read info about the program its stats hanging, pumping, clamping, pills were all useless and dangerous, overexercising is dangerous yet on this site as well as Penis Health there are people overexercizing and doing other things that were considered dangerous by the websites i just don't get it. I think a good stretch, jelg and light girth work is the way to go. Like birdy said don't mess up a dick that works Unfortunetly for him and someothers they made that one mistake on accident and may not be the same again. There has been a few threads ive read where people were makin gains with a simple program than upped the intensity and lost erection strength, i am an example of this thankfully for me i didn't seriously hurt myself. Stay light if ur gainin stick with what works, dont overstretch or overexercise.
 
How did I not follow good Penis Enlargement practice? Considering I haven't even posted any routines I've followed I'm not sure how you know that, Bib. Besides, if Penis Enlargement is legitimate, it can weather my castigation.
 
orbital,

>How did I not follow good Penis Enlargement practice? Considering I haven't even posted any routines I've followed I'm not sure how you know that, Bib.<

Well, you said it yourself in your opening post:

"I moved onto some weight hanging with a poorly jerryrigged appartus involving up to 7.5 lbs. of free weights and some old t-shirts. A few times in my flirting with hanging I noticed some sharp pains in the sides of my penis. I took some time off and it seemed to be fine. Around this point I started to notice that it was slightly more difficult to get erections. I didn't really worry yet because I was still excited about potentially gaining some size. I also noticed by this time that my flacid length was a little longer than it used to be."

I do not know exactly what you were doing with the T-shirt, but using that much weight with a "poorly jerryrigged appartus", could surely cause problems, especially for the nerve bundle behind the head, and lead to poor erections.

>Besides, if Penis Enlargement is legitimate, it can weather my castigation.<

Surely. Penis Enlargement has survived much worse attacks than those presented here. Not a problem. I was simply pointing out that your particular attack was unfounded, since you admitted you did not do things properly.

Bigger
 
Fair enough. Look, I'm not interested in damaging the reputation of Penis Enlargement necessarily. I'm interested in understanding. I want help. Like I've said before, I'm glad it works for so many people. It worked for me, my flacid penis hangs easily 1.5 or 2 inches longer than it used to. I also have some erection difficulties. What do you guys think I should do?
 
orbital,

I will help you with anything I can. I would say the first thing to do is determine whether the problem is mental, or physical. Then, if physical, find out exactly what the problem is.

I suppose the easiest way to find out if it is mental or physical is to use a NO supplement to make sure the chemical balance is there. Either viagra, cialas, or an injectable. If you can get a good erection, then you know it is mental. Or I suppose it could be chemical. If you cannot get a good erection with help, then it could very well be physical.

If physical, it will most likely either be a nerve problem, or a circulatory problem. Since you said nothing about numbness, then that probably rules out nerves.

If circulatory, then rest, with light jelqing, especially BTB jelqing, may be of great help.

Bigger
 
I've been theorizing about what causes erectile dysfunction for guys like myself and around 20 other guys I've dug up on this forum, peforum.net, and �other forum�. I think when we stretch or force enough blood into the penis to cause damage, the tissue isn't replaced with the same tissue that was there before it was damaged. Instead, its replaced with scar tissue, which doesn't have the same function of the tissue thats replaced. If smooth muscle is damaged, it won't relax fully to allow blood to fully enter the tiny, balloon-like spaces (sinusoidal spaces). If the balloon-like spaces themselves are damaged, they won't fill with enough blood to push against the tunica algubinea, which occludes (contsricts) the veins, resulting in less than optimally firm erections. If arteries are damaged, not enough blood will be able to enter the balloon-like spaces, and cause venous occlusion.

The central point I'm getting at is that if any of the tissues are damaged and their function isn't restored by healing (scar tissue), you dont have venous occlusion, and you don't have a rigid erection.

Now some things I can't understand are why I have only felt any substantial pain a few times in all of my Penis Enlargement'ing. If this type of damage was occuring, why wouldn't my body let me know with pain? I've suffered pulled muscles before, in my neck and calves, and those are painful!

Anyways, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this guys. My advice is: If you have a perfectly functioning penis, think hard about the risks of doing damage to it. Please be careful.
 
As it was said before, maybe the answer is simply to not jump and do big things. Taking small steps seems the best approach.
 
I have seen 2 so far, Zulu. I have an appointment with an erectile dysfunction specialist at the Cleveland Clinic. At least I'm still able to have sex sometimes... :blush:
 
Yea, I think my problem is one that Tbirdy had brought up earlier. Penis Enlargement gave me too many veins and made them too thick. I can sometimes get a hard erection, but its only in my top two chambers. The spongiosum and glands get no fill at all which makes my penis shorter and thinner. If I kegal blood in and hold the base a bit I can feel the blood draining out quickly, also when i do a reverse kegal my penis fills up like a fawcett has been turned on, but I cant sustain the reverse forever and when i let go blood drains out quick. I dunno what to do aboutr it. I tryed taking time off, but I might opt to have some veins taken out.
 
Thought I should post here considering my ED.

I seem to have been recovering from a good bit of my erectile dysfunction. Had some good boners tonight while masturbating.

When I think about a light Penis Enlargement routine, I have some trouble understanding how it can be harmful. I understand that heavy manipulation of the penis could lead to problems, but a light routine registers no pain with me whatsoever. In fact, I enjoy it.

I'm happy I seem to be able to get pretty good erections still. I want to apologize for some of my more extreme theorizations.

Be safe!
 
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